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British Yachtsman killed offshore Thailand...
Sky News (UK) is reporting a headline that a British yachtsman named
Malcolm Robinson by 3 local thugs. His throat was cut before being thrown off his yacht off the coast of Thailand. Bruce? What's the scoop? Please be careful.... |
British Yachtsman killed offshore Thailand...
Larry wrote in
: Sky News (UK) is reporting a headline that a British yachtsman named Malcolm Robinson by 3 local thugs. His throat was cut before being thrown off his yacht off the coast of Thailand. Bruce? What's the scoop? Please be careful.... The three migrant workers were shown in handcuffs the third time I watched it. They are charged with assault, but will charged with murder as soon as they find Mr Robinson's body. |
British Yachtsman killed offshore Thailand...
Larry wrote:
Sky News (UK) is reporting a headline that a British yachtsman named Malcolm Robinson by 3 local thugs. His throat was cut before being thrown off his yacht off the coast of Thailand. Bruce? What's the scoop? Please be careful.... This was on the BBC World New 24 hours ago,, you need to upgrade your sources. Wait until Dish rolls out Nagra3 and there is enough incentive to hack it and you'll be able get Bell Expressvu again. I don't know why, but Dish doesn't carry BBC World News... Cheers Martin |
British Yachtsman killed offshore Thailand...
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British Yachtsman killed offshore Thailand...
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 02:50:32 +0000, Larry wrote:
Sky News (UK) is reporting a headline that a British yachtsman named Malcolm Robinson by 3 local thugs. His throat was cut before being thrown off his yacht off the coast of Thailand. Bruce? What's the scoop? Please be careful.... The news reports have been a bit vague but from interpreting the various statements it appears that an English couple in a 44 ft. boat were anchored at a group of islands some 20, or so miles west of Taratao island which is just a few miles north of Langkawi, Malaysia. This island group is pretty much deserted although they are frequently used as an anchorage by various fishing boats as they offer protection to both the N.E. and S.W. Monsoons. (I've anchored there myself) There was some discussion of the boat coming from Phuket and on the way to Langkawi and this makes sense as the islands are about 24 hours from Phuket on a direct heading, about where you might decide to stop if you were tired from an overnighter. Get a bit of rest and about 4 hours more to get to Langkawi. According to the news, as I type, three Burmese jumped ship from a fishing boat and got aboard the yacht and from that point it gets confused with one story that the Burmese tried to steal the dinghy killing the man during a fight and then took the dinghy and were captured and another story that they killed the man and commandeered the boat and headed for Satun, Thailand, a town on the mainland some 45 miles east, were intercepted by the police and tried to escape in the dinghy and were captured. In any event, the man apparently is dead and tossed overboard while the wife is "injured" although the film showing her being helped ashore doesn't show her with any apparent injuries. No report of rape or other sexual harassment. The three Burmese, said to be "run away's" from a fishing boat crew have been arrested and have confessed. At the moment they have not been charged with murder as the body has not been found. The story sort of makes sense as the Burmese crews on the fishing boats are usually illegal and often treated almost as slaves and probably are ready to jump ship if they get a chance. There was one report that the police were notified by a fishing boat which might indicate that the fishing boat crew - usually the captain, 1st mate and engineer will be Thai and the net pullers Burmese - may have been aware, in a general sense, of what was going on although I doubt that the Thai crew would have been aware that the Burmese planned on killing anybody without saying something. I've sailed in this area for ten years and my experiences with the local fishermen and people living on the islands has been that they are pretty nice people. The time I ran into a coral reef and went aground the local fishermen came out and helped and when we finally got off I offered to pay them and they refused to take anything. My own feeling is that was an isolated incident. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
British Yachtsman killed offshore Thailand...
"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message ... On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 02:50:32 +0000, Larry wrote: Sky News (UK) is reporting a headline that a British yachtsman named Malcolm Robinson by 3 local thugs. His throat was cut before being thrown off his yacht off the coast of Thailand. Bruce? What's the scoop? Please be careful.... The news reports have been a bit vague but from interpreting the various statements it appears that an English couple in a 44 ft. boat were anchored at a group of islands some 20, or so miles west of Taratao island which is just a few miles north of Langkawi, Malaysia. This island group is pretty much deserted although they are frequently used as an anchorage by various fishing boats as they offer protection to both the N.E. and S.W. Monsoons. (I've anchored there myself) There was some discussion of the boat coming from Phuket and on the way to Langkawi and this makes sense as the islands are about 24 hours from Phuket on a direct heading, about where you might decide to stop if you were tired from an overnighter. Get a bit of rest and about 4 hours more to get to Langkawi. According to the news, as I type, three Burmese jumped ship from a fishing boat and got aboard the yacht and from that point it gets confused with one story that the Burmese tried to steal the dinghy killing the man during a fight and then took the dinghy and were captured and another story that they killed the man and commandeered the boat and headed for Satun, Thailand, a town on the mainland some 45 miles east, were intercepted by the police and tried to escape in the dinghy and were captured. In any event, the man apparently is dead and tossed overboard while the wife is "injured" although the film showing her being helped ashore doesn't show her with any apparent injuries. No report of rape or other sexual harassment. The three Burmese, said to be "run away's" from a fishing boat crew have been arrested and have confessed. At the moment they have not been charged with murder as the body has not been found. The story sort of makes sense as the Burmese crews on the fishing boats are usually illegal and often treated almost as slaves and probably are ready to jump ship if they get a chance. There was one report that the police were notified by a fishing boat which might indicate that the fishing boat crew - usually the captain, 1st mate and engineer will be Thai and the net pullers Burmese - may have been aware, in a general sense, of what was going on although I doubt that the Thai crew would have been aware that the Burmese planned on killing anybody without saying something. I've sailed in this area for ten years and my experiences with the local fishermen and people living on the islands has been that they are pretty nice people. The time I ran into a coral reef and went aground the local fishermen came out and helped and when we finally got off I offered to pay them and they refused to take anything. My own feeling is that was an isolated incident. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) A sad tale. Think I'll stick to the West of Scotland in future, although to be fair, it could happen anywhere these days. BTW, our midges are just as troublesome as your mosquitos, painful too, but less long-lasting in their after-effects. Dennis. |
British Yachtsman killed offshore Thailand...
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:03:07 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok wrote:
The three Burmese, said to be "run away's" from a fishing boat crew have been arrested and have confessed. At the moment they have not been charged with murder as the body has not been found. Just curious, does the body have to be found for there to be a murder charge? |
British Yachtsman killed offshore Thailand...
"thunder" wrote in message t... On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:03:07 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok wrote: The three Burmese, said to be "run away's" from a fishing boat crew have been arrested and have confessed. At the moment they have not been charged with murder as the body has not been found. Just curious, does the body have to be found for there to be a murder charge? Different countries will have different laws relating to murder charges. I would have thought the wife's evidence would be sufficient to justify a charge of murder, but you never know. Dennis. |
British Yachtsman killed offshore Thailand...
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 11:38:39 +0000, Dennis Pogson wrote:
Different countries will have different laws relating to murder charges. I would have thought the wife's evidence would be sufficient to justify a charge of murder, but you never know. Yeah, that's what I was curious about. I'm thinking a body dumped overboard might not be found. |
British Yachtsman killed offshore Thailand...
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 09:17:38 -0000, "Dennis Pogson"
wrote: BTW, our midges are just as troublesome as your mosquitos, painful too, but less long-lasting in their after-effects. Especially if one of the aftereffects is lifelong malaria. Casady |
British Yachtsman killed offshore Thailand...
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 06:13:44 -0500, thunder
wrote: On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:03:07 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok wrote: The three Burmese, said to be "run away's" from a fishing boat crew have been arrested and have confessed. At the moment they have not been charged with murder as the body has not been found. Just curious, does the body have to be found for there to be a murder charge? Yes, or some proof of death. In a recent case a doctor dissected his girlfriend and flushed her down the toilet. The police got enough tissue from the drains that they could determine that it was human remains and a DMA test showed that it was related to the girl's parents. Apparently sufficient proof. I gather that a confession is not sufficient as I'm sure from the news reports that the Burmese have told the cops exactly what happened and have been charged with a crime but the news specifically said, not murder as the body had not yet been found. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
British Yachtsman killed offshore Thailand...
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 11:38:39 -0000, "Dennis Pogson"
wrote: "thunder" wrote in message et... On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:03:07 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok wrote: The three Burmese, said to be "run away's" from a fishing boat crew have been arrested and have confessed. At the moment they have not been charged with murder as the body has not been found. Just curious, does the body have to be found for there to be a murder charge? Different countries will have different laws relating to murder charges. I would have thought the wife's evidence would be sufficient to justify a charge of murder, but you never know. Dennis. The news was quite specific in stating that the Burmese has confessed and been charged with aggravated assault and illegal migrant status and if the body is found then will be charged with murder. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
British Yachtsman killed offshore Thailand...
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 06:51:20 -0500, thunder
wrote: On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 11:38:39 +0000, Dennis Pogson wrote: Different countries will have different laws relating to murder charges. I would have thought the wife's evidence would be sufficient to justify a charge of murder, but you never know. Yeah, that's what I was curious about. I'm thinking a body dumped overboard might not be found. It may not be as if the body drifts out of the island group it would be in open ocean. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
British Yachtsman killed offshore Thailand...
"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message ... On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 06:13:44 -0500, thunder wrote: On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:03:07 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok wrote: The three Burmese, said to be "run away's" from a fishing boat crew have been arrested and have confessed. At the moment they have not been charged with murder as the body has not been found. Just curious, does the body have to be found for there to be a murder charge? Yes, or some proof of death. In a recent case a doctor dissected his girlfriend and flushed her down the toilet. The police got enough tissue from the drains that they could determine that it was human remains and a DMA test showed that it was related to the girl's parents. Apparently sufficient proof. I gather that a confession is not sufficient as I'm sure from the news reports that the Burmese have told the cops exactly what happened and have been charged with a crime but the news specifically said, not murder as the body had not yet been found. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) The sharks might make short work of the body in those latitudes, but surely there should be enough DNA about the boat to justify a conviction? Dennis |
British Yachtsman killed offshore Thailand...
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 02:50:32 +0000, Larry wrote:
Sky News (UK) is reporting a headline that a British yachtsman named Malcolm Robinson by 3 local thugs. His throat was cut before being thrown off his yacht off the coast of Thailand. Bruce? What's the scoop? Please be careful.... More he http://www.smh.com.au/world/bloodshed-on-mr-bean-lifetime-trip-turned-to-terror-20090325-99zh.html?page=-1 |
British Yachtsman killed offshore Thailand...
Bruce In Bangkok wrote in
: I've sailed in this area for ten years and my experiences with the local fishermen and people living on the islands has been that they are pretty nice people. The time I ran into a coral reef and went aground the local fishermen came out and helped and when we finally got off I offered to pay them and they refused to take anything. My own feeling is that was an isolated incident. Thank you. That's a thousand times more than I can find about it. Much appreciated. The fishermen are blameless, except for the illegal immigration. Half my neighborhood are illegal immigrants, now. |
British Yachtsman killed offshore Thailand...
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:21:25 -0000, "Dennis Pogson"
wrote: "Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 06:13:44 -0500, thunder wrote: On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:03:07 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok wrote: The three Burmese, said to be "run away's" from a fishing boat crew have been arrested and have confessed. At the moment they have not been charged with murder as the body has not been found. Just curious, does the body have to be found for there to be a murder charge? Yes, or some proof of death. In a recent case a doctor dissected his girlfriend and flushed her down the toilet. The police got enough tissue from the drains that they could determine that it was human remains and a DMA test showed that it was related to the girl's parents. Apparently sufficient proof. I gather that a confession is not sufficient as I'm sure from the news reports that the Burmese have told the cops exactly what happened and have been charged with a crime but the news specifically said, not murder as the body had not yet been found. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) The sharks might make short work of the body in those latitudes, but surely there should be enough DNA about the boat to justify a conviction? Dennis I'm sure that there are sharks about but there was no mention of sharks eating bodies after the tsunami. But perhaps once they start they don't stop until they finish the meal. But they do frequently recover bodies after a boat sinks so who knows. The news photos showed some blood stains around the aft section and there was mention about the wife "stepping in blood and realizing he husband must be dead". Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
British Yachtsman killed offshore Thailand...
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 02:50:32 +0000, Larry wrote: Sky News (UK) is reporting a headline that a British yachtsman named Malcolm Robinson by 3 local thugs. His throat was cut before being thrown off his yacht off the coast of Thailand. Bruce? What's the scoop? Please be careful.... More he http://www.smh.com.au/world/bloodshed-on-mr-bean-lifetime-trip-turned-to-terror-20090325-99zh.html?page=-1 Latest reports indicate that Mr Robertson's body has been found, so they can get on with the business of hanging the *******s. Dennis. |
British Yachtsman killed offshore Thailand...
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:18:27 +0000, Larry wrote:
Bruce In Bangkok wrote in : I've sailed in this area for ten years and my experiences with the local fishermen and people living on the islands has been that they are pretty nice people. The time I ran into a coral reef and went aground the local fishermen came out and helped and when we finally got off I offered to pay them and they refused to take anything. My own feeling is that was an isolated incident. Thank you. That's a thousand times more than I can find about it. Much appreciated. The fishermen are blameless, except for the illegal immigration. Half my neighborhood are illegal immigrants, now. There probably will be little else published about the murder if the three Burmese have confessed as the police state. With the finding of the body they will be charged with murder. The Thai legal system is such that once charges have been lodged with the court and the court has reviewed the evidence and agreed to hear the case the defendants appear before the court and the charges are read whereupon they have the right to plead innocent or guilty. If they plead guilty they will likely be given an immediate life sentence. If they plead not-guilty they will be tried but in the event that they are found guilty, a likely scenario given their confession, they will receive the death sentence. It is true that the death sentence will probably not be carried out if the criminals show any remorse over the affair but it could be. If they are convicted and given a death sentence which is later commuted it will be to life imprisonment. The latest news: Murdered yachtie's body found in sea By: BangkokPost.com Published: 27/03/2009 at 02:21 PM Police on Friday found the body of a UK yachtsman who was murdered by Burmese pirates three days ago near an island in the Andaman Sea. The remains of Malcom Robertson, 64, whose throat was cut and his body was thrown into the sea, were found near Koh Rawee, Pol Col Wirat Saeng-orn, superintendent of the Yala provincial police said. His wife Linda, who says she ''trussed up naked like a chilcken'' by thekillers when her husband was killed, testified before the provincial court on Friday because she has to leave Thailand. Police earlier claimed that the three workers confessed they boarded the yacht on Monday to steal an inflatable dinghy but were blocked by the owner. Police alleged the three slashed Robertson's throat and tossed his body overboard. Mrs Robertsoln says they forced her to sail them to the mainland. The yacht was spotted by officials from Koh Petra Marine National Park, who detained them. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
British Yachtsman killed offshore Thailand...
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:59:44 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok
wrote: It is true that the death sentence will probably not be carried out if the criminals show any remorse over the affair but it could be. If they are convicted and given a death sentence which is later commuted it will be to life imprisonment. The Swiss inadvertantly came up with the proper death penalty. They busted some buy for a white collar crime. They put him in a cell in a disused wing of the building. They then lost the paperwork, and forgot him. When they found him months later he was long dead. Casady |
British Yachtsman killed offshore Thailand...
Richard Casady wrote in
: On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:59:44 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok wrote: It is true that the death sentence will probably not be carried out if the criminals show any remorse over the affair but it could be. If they are convicted and given a death sentence which is later commuted it will be to life imprisonment. The Swiss inadvertantly came up with the proper death penalty. They busted some buy for a white collar crime. They put him in a cell in a disused wing of the building. They then lost the paperwork, and forgot him. When they found him months later he was long dead. Casady Hmm....a fitting end for Wall Street's Madoff, too. |
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