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Justin C[_17_] March 21st 09 04:12 PM

OT but very useful...
 
In article , Larry wrote:
"Capt. JG" wrote in
easolutions:

Name a program that doesn't work on an Apple.



Maemo Mapper
Xournal
55,800 Palm programs
millions of Linux programs
millions of Windows programs.

Don't tell me about Wine. It's **** compared to XP running on a really
fast Windows box.

Owning an Apple has always been like owning a bike with training wheels you
can't take off.

Visit any software store and count the Apple programs in the back corner of
the Windows Store. Wonder why the whole store isn't full of Apple programs
with a tiny section in the back of Windows programs.

Visit tucows.com, download.com and compare the shareware available.


I upgraded a Linux box last week, part of what it does is run Samba
which allows users on the network to share data (among other things).
The machine upgraded fine, the apples on the network didn't even notice.
The two windows machines, however, refused to login after the upgrade. I
spent hours looking for the answer; an answer that would enable one of
them to login wouldn't work for the other, and vice-versa.

Over the years I've spent so much time just keeping Windows machines
working that I'm glad we've replaced all of our office (bar two
machines) with Macs - actually, bar three, we also have one Linux
work-station, it's a small office, only ten clients, but it saves me a
lot of time and I can get on and do my real job. The two Windows
machines we have are because the label software supplied by our courier
will only run on Windows, they're about to be made redundant now we have
a better deal with another carrier.

The reason most people use Windows has nothing to do with quality of
software, or even abundance of it, it is because that is what the
machine came with. The majority use IE, OutLook, MediaPlayer, and the
software that came with their digital camera. Most people have no clue
about anything outside that, providing they can access FaceBook they
don't care. They think that PC *means* windows, that the hardware and UI
are not conjoined would surprise them. That will never be overcome. I'm
quite happy with that, it means I don't spend all my time dealing with
dumb user questions, 'cos I don't do Windows.

Justin.

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Justin C, by the sea.

Capt. JG March 21st 09 05:21 PM

OT but very useful...
 
"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
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On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:14:19 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:
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I just downloaded a free app that works like a level. I get the NY Times
pushed to the phone every hour. I can also use it like a touch screen for
my
computer instead of the mouse. Sure... lots of "cuteness" but some of it
is
very cool tool.


The push stuff is nice. I wish I could get that here.

Cuteness or cool depends on the user I think.
I seldom text but in Singapore you see kids hanging on a strap in the
subway, talking with their friends and typing text messages with their
thumb faster then I can type with both hands.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)



I also just downloaded TideApp which is the TideTool equiv. for the phone.
Nice.


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Capt. JG March 21st 09 05:22 PM

OT but very useful...
 
"thunder" wrote in message
t...
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 07:58:04 -0600, Vic Smith wrote:


I think there is something called Boot Camp that allows Apple PCs to run
Windows apps.


It's my understanding that Boot Camp allows Apple PCs to run the Windows
OS, and along with it, Windows apps. Apples, at least some of them, are
now Intel based, but, apparently, run a different BIOS that Windows
doesn't support. Boot Camp just allows you to dual boot. There is also
Parallels, which will run Windows inside a virtual machine, so you can
run the Mac OS and Windows at the same time.



Yep... you have to reboot to use it. But, there are plenty of emulators out
there that work side-by-side with MacOS.

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Mark Borgerson March 21st 09 08:32 PM

OT but very useful...
 
In article ,
says...
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 07:58:04 -0600, Vic Smith wrote:


I think there is something called Boot Camp that allows Apple PCs to run
Windows apps.


It's my understanding that Boot Camp allows Apple PCs to run the Windows
OS, and along with it, Windows apps. Apples, at least some of them, are
now Intel based, but, apparently, run a different BIOS that Windows
doesn't support. Boot Camp just allows you to dual boot. There is also
Parallels, which will run Windows inside a virtual machine, so you can
run the Mac OS and Windows at the same time.

You can also get VirtualBox from Sun for free. It will run
just about any X86 OS on an X86 Mac. However, I don't think
it will run MacOS on a PC. I've used it to run Ubuntu Linux
on a PC because I needed to run a particular flavor of
GCC compiler and was tired of lugging around a separate
laptop with Ubuntu.

Mark Borgerson




Larry March 21st 09 08:44 PM

OT but very useful...
 
"Capt. JG" wrote in
easolutions:

Yep... you have to reboot to use it. But, there are plenty of
emulators out there that work side-by-side with MacOS.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com





We could save a couple of thousand dollars and boot my Samsung NC10 netbook
to WinXP....Apple OS X.....Linux and not need to run all the apple
emulator crapware to drag everything down. Here's the video of the OS X
netbook. $410 delivered at Costcentral.com!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HckW...eature=related

Fantastic little netbook....NO GLOSSY SCREEN is a pleasure to watch!!


Capt. JG March 21st 09 09:06 PM

OT but very useful...
 
"Larry" wrote in message
...
"Capt. JG" wrote in
easolutions:

Yep... you have to reboot to use it. But, there are plenty of
emulators out there that work side-by-side with MacOS.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com





We could save a couple of thousand dollars and boot my Samsung NC10
netbook
to WinXP....Apple OS X.....Linux and not need to run all the apple
emulator crapware to drag everything down. Here's the video of the OS X
netbook. $410 delivered at Costcentral.com!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HckW...eature=related

Fantastic little netbook....NO GLOSSY SCREEN is a pleasure to watch!!



Nice, but you still have to boot into what you want right? The emulation I
have allows you to switch back and forth on the fly and you can share data
back and forth. I don't find it to drag it much, but it's a desktop box. I'm
not sure why I would need to switch back and forth either with boot or
emulation if I had it on my boat. Seems to me, I'd be on one or the other,
depending on what runs natively.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com




Larry March 21st 09 10:49 PM

OT but very useful...
 
"Capt. JG" wrote in
easolutions:

Nice, but you still have to boot into what you want right? The
emulation I have allows you to switch back and forth on the fly and
you can share data back and forth. I don't find it to drag it much,
but it's a desktop box. I'm not sure why I would need to switch back
and forth either with boot or emulation if I had it on my boat. Seems
to me, I'd be on one or the other, depending on what runs natively.



My poor little Atom N270 1.6Ghz 1MB RAM 2 pound netbook isn't OS magic....

Yeah, on 1GB of RAM you only run one OS at a time....


Capt. JG March 21st 09 11:00 PM

OT but very useful...
 
"Larry" wrote in message
...
"Capt. JG" wrote in
easolutions:

Nice, but you still have to boot into what you want right? The
emulation I have allows you to switch back and forth on the fly and
you can share data back and forth. I don't find it to drag it much,
but it's a desktop box. I'm not sure why I would need to switch back
and forth either with boot or emulation if I had it on my boat. Seems
to me, I'd be on one or the other, depending on what runs natively.



My poor little Atom N270 1.6Ghz 1MB RAM 2 pound netbook isn't OS magic....

Yeah, on 1GB of RAM you only run one OS at a time....



I just booted up my Virtual PC emulator on my Windoz box. I use it very,
very rarely to test suspect software. It's actually not bad. Oh, so my
point... I only have 1 gig of ram. It's a fairly old system... P4, 3.06 gh.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com




Marty[_2_] March 22nd 09 01:12 AM

OT but very useful...
 
Capt. JG wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message
...
"Capt. JG" wrote in
easolutions:

Nice, but you still have to boot into what you want right? The
emulation I have allows you to switch back and forth on the fly and
you can share data back and forth. I don't find it to drag it much,
but it's a desktop box. I'm not sure why I would need to switch back
and forth either with boot or emulation if I had it on my boat. Seems
to me, I'd be on one or the other, depending on what runs natively.


My poor little Atom N270 1.6Ghz 1MB RAM 2 pound netbook isn't OS magic....

Yeah, on 1GB of RAM you only run one OS at a time....



I just booted up my Virtual PC emulator on my Windoz box. I use it very,
very rarely to test suspect software. It's actually not bad. Oh, so my
point... I only have 1 gig of ram. It's a fairly old system... P4, 3.06 gh.



Only 1 gig? "640k ought to be enough for anyone",, Lordy, when I went
to college if we had a machine with a full kilobyte we were doing well....

Cheers
Martin

Bruce In Bangkok March 22nd 09 01:44 AM

OT but very useful...
 
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 13:26:24 +0000, Larry wrote:

Bruce In Bangkok wrote in
:

Funny. Back in the days when MS was known for making the Z-80 card so
you could plug one in and run CP/M software they were good guys. We
ran the whole company on Apple ]['s and Z-80 cards at one time.



In the days before the PC/DOS, I used to sell Ohio Scientific computers.
Our business model had 6502, Z80 and 6800 processors you could select to
run all the software currently available on whatever OS you liked. CP/M
ran great.


But so expensive....

It was also the first commercial microcomputer with a real hard drive, a
74MB, 14" platter monster from the minicomputers of the day. 74MB was an
unheardof landscape of real fast storage. Our OS was called OS-65U and ran
an extended BASIC on the 6502 processor, the best of the three.

Then IBM decided none of the rest of us needed to be in business and that
was pretty much the end of it.....


I remember, the first year or so after IBM started making the PC
people asking me what kind of computer to but and I used to recommend
Apple "there is so much more software for them, you know?"

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)


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