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Tomorrow the new restrictions on travel to Cuba take effect. Up until
now, Cuban Americans could go to Cuba once a year, carry anything that
they could pack in 140 lbs of luggage and spend $167/day. This is a
right that no other American citizen has had for 40 years. Effective
tomorrow Cuban Americans can only go once every 3 years, can carry no
more than 44 pounds of luggage and can spend only $50 a day.

Now the South Florida Cubans are screaming that they are being treated
unfairly and that the new restrictions are "unconstitutional".

My heart bleeds. At least now they get a taste of what they have
inflicted on the rest of us.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:24:58 -0400, something compelled Glenn
Ashmore , to say:

Tomorrow the new restrictions on travel to Cuba take effect.

I think travel restrictions are wrong. What business is it of my
government where I may or may not travel? I can certainly see
them saying something like, "We recommend you stay away from
foo, and if you go there and get into trouble, you're on your
own," but to forbid me from going somewhere?

That's just wrong.

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Agreed. Land of the free indeed.

matt
"Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:24:58 -0400, something compelled Glenn
Ashmore , to say:

Tomorrow the new restrictions on travel to Cuba take effect.

I think travel restrictions are wrong. What business is it of my
government where I may or may not travel? I can certainly see
them saying something like, "We recommend you stay away from
foo, and if you go there and get into trouble, you're on your
own," but to forbid me from going somewhere?

That's just wrong.

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Matt Kocch wrote:

Agreed. Land of the free indeed.

matt
"Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:24:58 -0400, something compelled Glenn
Ashmore , to say:

Tomorrow the new restrictions on travel to Cuba take effect.

I think travel restrictions are wrong. What business is it of my
government where I may or may not travel? I can certainly see
them saying something like, "We recommend you stay away from
foo, and if you go there and get into trouble, you're on your
own," but to forbid me from going somewhere?

That's just wrong.



Just remember that when you head to the polls this fall.

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Matt Kocch wrote:


Agreed. Land of the free indeed.

matt
"Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam" wrote in message
Tomorrow the new restrictions on travel to Cuba take effect.

I think travel restrictions are wrong. What business is it of my
government where I may or may not travel? I can certainly see
them saying something like, "We recommend you stay away from
foo, and if you go there and get into trouble, you're on your
own," but to forbid me from going somewhere?

That's just wrong.


Just remember that when you head to the polls this fall.

Oh yeah, because the other party will do something differently. Tell me how
going to the polls will solve this.

Well, lets see... for President you have your choice of a Republican baby-boomer with a Yale
education who is a member of the Yale "Skull & Bones" society, or a Democrat baby-boomer with a Yale
education who is a member of the Yale "Skull & Bones" society. The Republican's father was a
Senator, former head of the CIA, and former President, while the Democrat's father was just a diplomat.

Seriously people! This is why we need a true multi-party system in the USA, with multi being more
than two.

At least you gotta admire GWB's dad for skydiving on his 80th birthday.

soapbox mode off

PS - I agree completely that it isn't right for the US govt to restrict citizens travel rights, no
matter the issue at stake. Write your senator and congressmen.

Later,

Don W.

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Well... not going to the polls will certainly not affect it.


Bill wrote:


Oh yeah, because the other party will do something differently. Tell me how
going to the polls will solve this.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Matt Kocch wrote:

Agreed. Land of the free indeed.

matt
"Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:24:58 -0400, something compelled Glenn
Ashmore , to say:

Tomorrow the new restrictions on travel to Cuba take effect.

I think travel restrictions are wrong. What business is it of my
government where I may or may not travel? I can certainly see
them saying something like, "We recommend you stay away from
foo, and if you go there and get into trouble, you're on your
own," but to forbid me from going somewhere?

That's just wrong.



Just remember that when you head to the polls this fall.

Oh yeah, because the other party will do something differently. Tell me how
going to the polls will solve this.

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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:24:58 -0400, Glenn Ashmore
wrote:

Tomorrow the new restrictions on travel to Cuba take effect. Up until
now, Cuban Americans could go to Cuba once a year, carry anything that
they could pack in 140 lbs of luggage and spend $167/day. This is a
right that no other American citizen has had for 40 years. Effective
tomorrow Cuban Americans can only go once every 3 years, can carry no
more than 44 pounds of luggage and can spend only $50 a day.

Now the South Florida Cubans are screaming that they are being treated
unfairly and that the new restrictions are "unconstitutional".

My heart bleeds. At least now they get a taste of what they have
inflicted on the rest of us.

You hit that one dead center, Glenn. If the restrictions make sense
for me, they should apply to them as well. Personally I think the
whole thing is misguided and pointless, but it does serve the purpose
of transferring many dollars into the hands of the politicians from
the hardline Cuban exiles. Castro is probably going to outlive most
of his enemies, anyway:)

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The new regulations are only going to hurt the poor people in Cuba. As
always, those in power have everything they want.
I would hope that after a few decades of embargo "experimentation" on Cuba,
we'd figure out it's not going to work.
We're all hugs and kisses with Russia and China, but have a hard on for
Cuba? Come on!
MMC
"felton" wrote in message
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:24:58 -0400, Glenn Ashmore
wrote:

Tomorrow the new restrictions on travel to Cuba take effect. Up until
now, Cuban Americans could go to Cuba once a year, carry anything that
they could pack in 140 lbs of luggage and spend $167/day. This is a
right that no other American citizen has had for 40 years. Effective
tomorrow Cuban Americans can only go once every 3 years, can carry no
more than 44 pounds of luggage and can spend only $50 a day.

Now the South Florida Cubans are screaming that they are being treated
unfairly and that the new restrictions are "unconstitutional".

My heart bleeds. At least now they get a taste of what they have
inflicted on the rest of us.

You hit that one dead center, Glenn. If the restrictions make sense
for me, they should apply to them as well. Personally I think the
whole thing is misguided and pointless, but it does serve the purpose
of transferring many dollars into the hands of the politicians from
the hardline Cuban exiles. Castro is probably going to outlive most
of his enemies, anyway:)

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Subject: A taste of their own Frijoles
From: Glenn Ashmore

Now the South Florida Cubans are screaming that they are being treated
unfairly and that the new restrictions are "unconstitutional".

My heart bleeds. At least now they get a taste of what they have
inflicted on the rest of us.


Let me get this straight, they came here to escape political oppression from a
communist dictator. He lets them return to cuba and then fly back to the US
whenever they choose. THEY GO TO CUBA ONCE A YEAR FOR VACATION, HOW OPPRESIVE
CAN IT BE?

Our president has said they can only go once every 3 years instead of every
year. They are very upset at our president for not letting them go back to the
cuba, that they "escaped" from because of political persecution.

These immigrants do not want US Citizens to be allowed to go to Cuba at all.
They were upset when travel restrictions were relaxed for US citizens and let
the president know it. He agreed and tightened the restrictions, they got
upset because it applied to cubans as well.

They think they are entitled to special treatment. Vote seeking politicians
encourage this mindset. Its good to see them treated almost like US citizens.
When they get fined $10k for going down and spending money they will find out
what its like to be a real US citizen.

Dennis

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Oh, the poor, poor people of Cuba. Perhaps they should take a lesson from
Castro and revolt.

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Subject: A taste of their own Frijoles
From: Glenn Ashmore

Now the South Florida Cubans are screaming that they are being treated
unfairly and that the new restrictions are "unconstitutional".

My heart bleeds. At least now they get a taste of what they have
inflicted on the rest of us.


You have to wonder about the Bush administration. Can they do anything
right? To **** off all the Cubans in Florida in an election year? Do they
seriously think restricting travel like this is going to cause the fall of
Castro and his government? They really should have the air quality in the
White House checked. Something is making them think they can just have it
their way.

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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:49:04 GMT, "Gordon Wedman"
wrote:

Subject: A taste of their own Frijoles
From: Glenn Ashmore

Now the South Florida Cubans are screaming that they are being treated
unfairly and that the new restrictions are "unconstitutional".

My heart bleeds. At least now they get a taste of what they have
inflicted on the rest of us.


You have to wonder about the Bush administration. Can they do anything
right? To **** off all the Cubans in Florida in an election year? Do they
seriously think restricting travel like this is going to cause the fall of
Castro and his government? They really should have the air quality in the
White House checked. Something is making them think they can just have it
their way.

They probably only ****ed off about half of the Cuban "exile"
community. I heard an interesting news piece on Cuban American
attitudes on this and related issues. There is a fairly sharp divide
based on age and date of arrival. Later arrivals and those younger in
age are much more moderate in their views. Moderation of views is not
a winning formula in South Florida, though:) I was visiting with some
Cuban Americans this past weekend and they seemed all for it, but I
would classify them as exceptions to the rule as they were from a
family that would not be welcome back in Cuba regardless of the laws.

The real question is does this administration realize how much they
have antagonized the sailing community?:)

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felton wrote:

On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:49:04 GMT, "Gordon Wedman"
...snip...

The real question is does this administration realize how much they
have antagonized the sailing community?:)

Is there a sailing community? Politically, I mean. I think sailors tend
to vote their 'real life' issues. The number of voters that cruise full
time and would vote "sailing issures" are probably rather small,
politically speaking.

Just a fact of life, even if the cruising life is the best life of all....

Tom
of the Swee****er Sea

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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:37:32 -0500, Tom Shilson
wrote:

felton wrote:

On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:49:04 GMT, "Gordon Wedman"
...snip...

The real question is does this administration realize how much they
have antagonized the sailing community?:)

Is there a sailing community? Politically, I mean. I think sailors tend
to vote their 'real life' issues. The number of voters that cruise full
time and would vote "sailing issures" are probably rather small,
politically speaking.

Just a fact of life, even if the cruising life is the best life of all....


Well, it is probably not all that large or influential, but I was in
Key West a couple of weeks ago and there was more than a little
grumbling about the increased enforcement of the laws against sailors.
Mainly I was just trying to keep the post semi-sailing relatated:)
Cruising World did have some sort of cover story on the Cuba crackdown
in the last month or two, so it is on the minds of some. I would like
to visit Cuba myself, but not enough to risk a felony conviction and a
$50,000 fine. I suspect that things will change after the November
election, regardless of who wins. This is election year politics.

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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:01:19 GMT, "Garuda" wrote:

Oh, the poor, poor people of Cuba. Perhaps they should take a lesson from
Castro and revolt.

That might be the intent...squeeze from the inside.

If there was an open border, a free exchange, there would be less
pressure internally, and the entire Castro Revolution would most
likely lead to another problem for the US...."What do we say to the
kids?"

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"Den73740" wrote

Let me get this straight, they came here to escape political oppression
from a
communist dictator. He lets them return to cuba and then fly back to the
US
whenever they choose. THEY GO TO CUBA ONCE A YEAR FOR VACATION, HOW
OPPRESIVE
CAN IT BE?

Well, if you were/are an MD you can make a million$$/year in the USA or a
few thou a year in socialist Cuba. Other examples abound. Hot lick: make
big bux here then vacation there - right?

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Yeah, remember they tried that one time and were given the high hard one by
CIA. The Shiite tried it too. So did the Kurds. And we let them all down.
Ease travel to all US citizens and Fidel and co will be sitting in the
corner wondering what hit them. The only reasons for the continued embargo
is strong lobbying by FL Cubans, the voting block, and the complete lack of
interest on the part of the rest of the US.
MMC
"Garuda" wrote in message
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Oh, the poor, poor people of Cuba. Perhaps they should take a lesson from
Castro and revolt.

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MMC wrote:
Yeah, remember they tried that one time and were given the high hard one by
CIA. The Shiite tried it too. So did the Kurds. And we let them all down.
Ease travel to all US citizens and Fidel and co will be sitting in the
corner wondering what hit them. The only reasons for the continued embargo
is strong lobbying by FL Cubans, the voting block, and the complete lack of
interest on the part of the rest of the US.

When you sit down and compare the past 50 years, Coca-Cola, Levi's and
Rock and Roll have been more effective at bringing down totalitarian
regimes than blockades and embargoes. The embargo gives Castro a
scapegoat. Interaction breeds decent and gives the decenters courage to
act. US culture is the most dangerous weapon on the planet.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

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Very well put Glen.
"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
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MMC wrote:
Yeah, remember they tried that one time and were given the high hard one
by
CIA. The Shiite tried it too. So did the Kurds. And we let them all
down.
Ease travel to all US citizens and Fidel and co will be sitting in the
corner wondering what hit them. The only reasons for the continued
embargo
is strong lobbying by FL Cubans, the voting block, and the complete lack
of
interest on the part of the rest of the US.

When you sit down and compare the past 50 years, Coca-Cola, Levi's and
Rock and Roll have been more effective at bringing down totalitarian
regimes than blockades and embargoes. The embargo gives Castro a
scapegoat. Interaction breeds decent and gives the decenters courage to
act. US culture is the most dangerous weapon on the planet.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

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"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
news:o8WEc.8$4Z3.4@lakeread02...


MMC wrote:
Yeah, remember they tried that one time and were given the high hard one
by
CIA. The Shiite tried it too. So did the Kurds. And we let them all
down.
Ease travel to all US citizens and Fidel and co will be sitting in the
corner wondering what hit them. The only reasons for the continued
embargo
is strong lobbying by FL Cubans, the voting block, and the complete lack
of
interest on the part of the rest of the US.

When you sit down and compare the past 50 years, Coca-Cola, Levi's and
Rock and Roll have been more effective at bringing down totalitarian
regimes than blockades and embargoes. The embargo gives Castro a
scapegoat. Interaction breeds decent and gives the decenters courage to
act. US culture is the most dangerous weapon on the planet.

US culture? hmm.... . Yeah I guess it is kind of dangerous. Almost an
oxymoron.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

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I suspect that things will change after the November
election, regardless of who wins. This is election year politics.

I do not expect loosening of anything if Bush wins re-election. That 2nd
term he will not be restrained by any thought of needing to win another
election and will ram through laws and regulations that make the current
crop look like school house rules. It will be plunder and oppression on
a grand scale.

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Subject: A taste of their own Frijoles
From: Glenn Ashmore

Tomorrow the new restrictions on travel to Cuba take effect. Up until
now, Cuban Americans could go to Cuba once a year, carry anything that
they could pack in 140 lbs of luggage and spend $167/day. This is a
right that no other American citizen has had for 40 years. Effective
tomorrow Cuban Americans can only go once every 3 years, can carry no
more than 44 pounds of luggage and can spend only $50 a day.

Now the South Florida Cubans are screaming that they are being treated
unfairly and that the new restrictions are "unconstitutional".

My heart bleeds. At least now they get a taste of what they have
inflicted on the rest of us.

--
Glenn Ashmore

It's about time.

Capt. Bill