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On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:44:19 +0000, Gordon wrote:
Polls show less and less people believe it is human caused http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...s_not_ people Not "people" but "U.S. voters". |
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Gordon wrote:
Polls show less and less people believe it is human caused http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...s_not_ people That's greats, polls also show that the majority of people on this planet worship an extraterrestrial, so what? Cheers Martin ------------ And now a word from our sponsor ------------------ For a quality usenet news server, try DNEWS, easy to install, fast, efficient and reliable. For home servers or carrier class installations with millions of users it will allow you to grow! ---- See http://netwinsite.com/sponsor/sponsor_dnews.htm ---- |
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"Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message ... | On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:44:19 +0000, Gordon wrote: | | Polls show less and less people believe it is human caused | | http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...s2/articles/44 _say_global_warming_due_to_planetary_trends_not_pe ople | | Not "people" but "U.S. voters". Good onya, mate! |
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Martin Baxter wrote:
Gordon wrote: Polls show less and less people believe it is human caused http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...s_not_ people That's greats, polls also show that the majority of people on this planet worship an extraterrestrial, so what? Good retort Martin. Gordon, here are two quote from recent articles with links. Make up your own mind. And please remember at least 49.5% of US population voted for Bush in 2000, and few more in 2004. So much for the intelligence of crowds. Popularity does not equal science. QUOTES A major U.S. government report on Arctic climate, prepared with input from eight Canadian scientists, has concluded that the recent rapid warming of polar temperatures and shrinking of multi-year Arctic sea ice are "highly unusual compared to events from previous thousands of years." The findings, released on Friday, counter suggestions from some skeptics that such recent events as the opening of the Northwest Passage and collapse of ice shelves in the Canadian Arctic are predictable phenomena that could be explained as part of a natural climate cycle rather than being driven by elevated carbon emissions from human activity. A summary of the report - described as "the first comprehensive analysis of the real data we have on past climate conditions in the Arctic," by U.S. Geological Survey director Mark Myers - warns that "sustained warming of at least a few degrees" is probably enough "to cause the nearly complete, eventual disappearance of the Greenland ice sheet, which would raise sea level by several metres." link http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=1186593 With funding from the National Science Foundation's Office of Polar Programs, Steig and colleagues set out to reconstruct Antarctica's recent past. Ground-based stations have recorded temperatures since 1957, but most of those readings come from the peninsula and areas on the edges of the continent. But at the same time, scientists such as study co-author Joey Comiso of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., have been gathering measurements from a series of Advanced Very High Resolution Radiometer (AVHRR) instruments deployed on satellites since 1981. The new analysis shows that Antarctic surface temperatures increased an average of 0.22°F (0.12°C) per decade between 1957 and 2006. That's a rise of more than 1°F (0.5°C) in the last half century. West Antarctica warmed at a higher rate, rising 0.31°F (0.17°C) per decade. The results, published Jan. 22 in Nature, confirm earlier findings based on limited weather station data and ice cores. West Antarctica is particularly vulnerable to climate changes because its ice sheet is grounded below sea level and surrounded by floating ice shelves. If the West Antarctic ice sheet completely melted, global sea level would rise by 16 to 20 feet (5 to 6 meters). link http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-sch012209.php |
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"hpeer" wrote in message m... (snippage) The new analysis shows that Antarctic surface temperatures increased an average of 0.22°F (0.12°C) per decade between 1957 and 2006. That's a rise of more than 1°F (0.5°C) in the last half century. West Antarctica warmed at a higher rate, rising 0.31°F (0.17°C) per decade. The results, published Jan. 22 in Nature, confirm earlier findings based on limited weather station data and ice cores. West Antarctica is particularly vulnerable to climate changes because its ice sheet is grounded below sea level and surrounded by floating ice shelves. If the West Antarctic ice sheet completely melted, global sea level would rise by 16 to 20 feet (5 to 6 meters). link http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-sch012209.php Ah, but what is the cause to this effect? "Global Warming" is the easy answer, but here is another: Pacific Rim Volcanic Activity. While the Pacific "Ring of Fire" is generally thought of as more or less an inverted "U" shape, it actually extends to the Antarctic Plate. http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explor...edia/fig1.html http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0229183818.htm In any event, we'll eventually have new coastlines to explore while cruising. |
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Dave wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:21:51 -0500, Martin Baxter said: That's greats, polls also show that the majority of people on this planet worship an extraterrestrial, so what? Have you considered the possibility that you could be out of step? Is xenophobia a hate crime? |
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On 22 Jan 2009 14:41:01 -0600, Dave wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:21:51 -0500, Martin Baxter said: That's greats, polls also show that the majority of people on this planet worship an extraterrestrial, so what? Have you considered the possibility that you could be out of step? Comedy GOLD! Bwhahahahahaha! |
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Gordon wrote in
: Polls show less and less people believe it is human caused http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...ssues2/article s/44_say_global_warming_due_to_planetary_trends_not_ people It was never human caused. We're in one of the coldest periods of Earth's history. (Religious nuts who think Earth is 6000 years old, dispite a mountain of evidence to the contrary, please ignore all this and pray.) http://www.john-daly.com/hockey/hockey.htm http://www.john-daly.com/ John died of a heart attack in 2004, but his legacy of truth about climatology's lies and scare tactics lives on. In 1841, Capt. Sir James Clark Ross marked the mean sea level on the Isle of the Dead in Tasmania for us. (It's a _V_ mark in the shade of the rock sticking out in the middle of the picture.) John Daly did an extensive study and concluded the sea level has only risen a few mm since the 1841 mark was made....blowing the sea level rising nonsense out of the water.... Look over both these sites, John Daly's legacy for us. It's an amazing place to spend an evening..... |
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Larry wrote:
Gordon wrote in : Polls show less and less people believe it is human caused http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...ssues2/article s/44_say_global_warming_due_to_planetary_trends_not_ people It was never human caused. We're in one of the coldest periods of Earth's history. (Religious nuts who think Earth is 6000 years old, dispite a mountain of evidence to the contrary, please ignore all this and pray.) http://www.john-daly.com/hockey/hockey.htm http://www.john-daly.com/ John died of a heart attack in 2004, but his legacy of truth about climatology's lies and scare tactics lives on. In 1841, Capt. Sir James Clark Ross marked the mean sea level on the Isle of the Dead in Tasmania for us. (It's a _V_ mark in the shade of the rock sticking out in the middle of the picture.) John Daly did an extensive study and concluded the sea level has only risen a few mm since the 1841 mark was made....blowing the sea level rising nonsense out of the water.... Look over both these sites, John Daly's legacy for us. It's an amazing place to spend an evening..... Pesky facts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Re...Level_Rise.png |
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Gordon wrote in
: Polls show less and less people believe it is human caused http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...ssues2/article s/44_say_global_warming_due_to_planetary_trends_not_ people http://www.friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=394 Watch top to bottom. The "Hockey Stick" totally discredited so much even the IPCC/UN had to drop it. What will Algore do? Will he APOLOGIZE for being SO WRONG and costing us BILLIONS in stupid government regulation? |
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"Dave" wrote in message
... On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:44:19 +0000, Gordon said: Polls show less and less people believe it is human caused Ah, but do fewer people believe it? Ringlish isn't his first slanglage. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"katy" wrote in message
om... Dave wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:21:51 -0500, Martin Baxter said: That's greats, polls also show that the majority of people on this planet worship an extraterrestrial, so what? Have you considered the possibility that you could be out of step? Is xenophobia a hate crime? No, but stupidity should be. Oh wait... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
... "hpeer" wrote in message m... (snippage) The new analysis shows that Antarctic surface temperatures increased an average of 0.22°F (0.12°C) per decade between 1957 and 2006. That's a rise of more than 1°F (0.5°C) in the last half century. West Antarctica warmed at a higher rate, rising 0.31°F (0.17°C) per decade. The results, published Jan. 22 in Nature, confirm earlier findings based on limited weather station data and ice cores. West Antarctica is particularly vulnerable to climate changes because its ice sheet is grounded below sea level and surrounded by floating ice shelves. If the West Antarctic ice sheet completely melted, global sea level would rise by 16 to 20 feet (5 to 6 meters). link http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-sch012209.php Ah, but what is the cause to this effect? "Global Warming" is the easy answer, but here is another: Pacific Rim Volcanic Activity. While the Pacific "Ring of Fire" is generally thought of as more or less an inverted "U" shape, it actually extends to the Antarctic Plate. http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explor...edia/fig1.html http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0229183818.htm In any event, we'll eventually have new coastlines to explore while cruising. There's always an upside... lol -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"jeff" wrote in message
... Larry wrote: Gordon wrote in : Polls show less and less people believe it is human caused http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...ssues2/article s/44_say_global_warming_due_to_planetary_trends_not_ people It was never human caused. We're in one of the coldest periods of Earth's history. (Religious nuts who think Earth is 6000 years old, dispite a mountain of evidence to the contrary, please ignore all this and pray.) http://www.john-daly.com/hockey/hockey.htm http://www.john-daly.com/ John died of a heart attack in 2004, but his legacy of truth about climatology's lies and scare tactics lives on. In 1841, Capt. Sir James Clark Ross marked the mean sea level on the Isle of the Dead in Tasmania for us. (It's a _V_ mark in the shade of the rock sticking out in the middle of the picture.) John Daly did an extensive study and concluded the sea level has only risen a few mm since the 1841 mark was made....blowing the sea level rising nonsense out of the water.... Look over both these sites, John Daly's legacy for us. It's an amazing place to spend an evening..... Pesky facts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Re...Level_Rise.png Bummer about those things.... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Capt. JG wrote:
In any event, we'll eventually have new coastlines to explore while cruising. There's always an upside... lol Jon willbe living on the island of San Francisco....good thing he has a boat becasue I dont think there will be public transportation to the mainland for awile... |
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"katy" wrote in message
om... Capt. JG wrote: In any event, we'll eventually have new coastlines to explore while cruising. There's always an upside... lol Jon willbe living on the island of San Francisco....good thing he has a boat becasue I dont think there will be public transportation to the mainland for awile... I would never live in SF. I like warm in the summer.... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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jeff wrote in :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Re...Level_Rise.png Those not on floating docks need to go check the lines! |
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 02:56:26 +0000, Larry wrote:
Gordon wrote in : Polls show less and less people believe it is human caused http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...ssues2/article s/44_say_global_warming_due_to_planetary_trends_not_ people http://www.friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=394 Watch top to bottom. The "Hockey Stick" totally discredited so much even the IPCC/UN had to drop it. What will Algore do? Will he APOLOGIZE for being SO WRONG and costing us BILLIONS in stupid government regulation? I sure hope he registered his cell phone with the do not call list! |
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Larry wrote:
jeff wrote in : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Re...Level_Rise.png Those not on floating docks need to go check the lines! Omigod! 8 inches in only 119 years! The sky is falling, er, the tsunami is gonna get us! Gordon |
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Dave wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:21:51 -0500, Martin Baxter said: That's greats, polls also show that the majority of people on this planet worship an extraterrestrial, so what? Have you considered the possibility that you could be out of step? There is a definite probability, greater than 0.5 that I am indeed "out of step", IMHO of course. Given that, I still fail to see the bearing on an opinion poll vis-a-vis the probability of a hypothesis regarding global warming being correct. Cheers Martin |
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"Marty" wrote in message ... Dave wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:21:51 -0500, Martin Baxter said: That's greats, polls also show that the majority of people on this planet worship an extraterrestrial, so what? Have you considered the possibility that you could be out of step? There is a definite probability, greater than 0.5 that I am indeed "out of step", IMHO of course. Given that, I still fail to see the bearing on an opinion poll vis-a-vis the probability of a hypothesis regarding global warming being correct. Cheers Martin Democratic science. The majority opinion must be the truth. |
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"Marty" wrote in message ... Dave wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:21:51 -0500, Martin Baxter said: That's greats, polls also show that the majority of people on this planet worship an extraterrestrial, so what? Have you considered the possibility that you could be out of step? There is a definite probability, greater than 0.5 that I am indeed "out of step", IMHO of course. Given that, I still fail to see the bearing on an opinion poll vis-a-vis the probability of a hypothesis regarding global warming being correct. Cheers Martin Democratic science. The majority opinion must be the truth. The cows in WI win a lot then, huh? |
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"katy" wrote in message om... KLC Lewis wrote: Democratic science. The majority opinion must be the truth. The cows in WI win a lot then, huh? We're smart enough to not let them vote, anymore. |
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-- ? "Marty" wrote in message ... I still fail to see the bearing on an opinion poll vis-a-vis the probability of a hypothesis regarding global warming being correct. Cheers Martin Popular notions are always wrong. Yes, "always!" |
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-- ? "Dave" wrote in message ... Might there be a more than remote possibility that those not out of step are correct? No, popular notions are ALWAYS wrong. |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:15:21 -0600, "KLC Lewis" said: Democratic science. The majority opinion must be the truth. The cows in WI win a lot then, huh? We're smart enough to not let them vote, anymore. You sure of that? Doesn't seem to be the case in neighboring Minnesota, where there are more ballots counted in some counties than there were people voting. Sounds like Ohio. There's a solution to this, but it won't happen as long as people insist on the "secret ballot" nonsense. Voting fraud will only end when people are willing to take responsibility for making sure their votes were accurately recorded, regardless of the consequences. Issue a Voting ID Number to everyone at their 18th birthday. This number is then used in all elections, local, state and national. After each election, the numbers are posted next to each candidate, allowing voters to go online and verify that their vote was actually cast as it was intended. Not foolproof, but it would be a step in the right direction. |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:17:59 -0600, "KLC Lewis" said: There's a solution to this, but it won't happen as long as people insist on the "secret ballot" nonsense. Voting fraud will only end when people are willing to take responsibility for making sure their votes were accurately recorded, regardless of the consequences. We could even send a policeman into the booth with each voter, just to be sure there's no funny business, and to be sure each person votes right. Which is the mindset which will forever resist change. The "secret ballot" system has always been, and will always be, rife with fraud -- precisely because it is "secret." No one can challenge the outcome because no one can prove their vote was tampered with; either by changing it, or by casting phantom votes to cancel it out. Significant levels of privacy can still exist in the system I propose. But in the end, if people aren't willing to take responsibility for their vote, they deserve whatever system they get. |
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Dave wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:15:21 -0600, "KLC Lewis" said: Democratic science. The majority opinion must be the truth. The cows in WI win a lot then, huh? We're smart enough to not let them vote, anymore. You sure of that? Doesn't seem to be the case in neighboring Minnesota, where there are more ballots counted in some counties than there were people voting. That's cuz of all the ,ultiple personalities..they each get a vote, ya know... |
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Dave wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:42:47 -0600, "Jolly Roger" said: Popular notions are always wrong. Yes, "always!" Now, you take that popular notion that the earth is approximately round.... In European the popular notion was the world was flat. for several hundreds of years the popular notion in Europe was that the world was flat. Several hundred years before Columbus, the popular notion in Europe was the world was flat. At the time of Columbus the popular notion was just beginning to change. So popular notion are not always correct Earlier the popular notion was a theory of chemical bonding called Phlogiston (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phlogiston) It was a popular theory that everyone believed in. It retarded the true understanding of Chemistry for decades. Could it be that the popular theory of global warming is like the Phlogiston theory and preventing a true understanding of climatology? |
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Dave wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:15:21 -0600, "KLC Lewis" said: Democratic science. The majority opinion must be the truth. The cows in WI win a lot then, huh? We're smart enough to not let them vote, anymore. You sure of that? Doesn't seem to be the case in neighboring Minnesota, where there are more ballots counted in some counties than there were people voting. Sounds like Illinois... Cheers Martin |
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Dave wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:46:29 -0500, Marty said: Dave wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:21:51 -0500, Martin Baxter said: That's greats, polls also show that the majority of people on this planet worship an extraterrestrial, so what? Have you considered the possibility that you could be out of step? There is a definite probability, greater than 0.5 that I am indeed "out of step", IMHO of course. Given that, I still fail to see the bearing on an opinion poll vis-a-vis the probability of a hypothesis regarding global warming being correct. Might there be a more than remote possibility that those not out of step are correct? Well there is alway the possibility, however the majority opinion of some poll does not constitute a valid scientific argument. An opinion poll merely tells one the feeling of the masses, but has little if anything to do with the "correctness" of anything other than validating or invalidating an hypothesis about the majority opinion. Cheers Martin |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:42:47 -0600, "Jolly Roger" said: Popular notions are always wrong. Yes, "always!" Now, you take that popular notion that the earth is approximately round.... FYE: A notion is a Conception, an Impression, Imagination, Opinion, Doctrine, Belief, Supposition, a Thought. Notions are theories, not proven or observable, not a Truth, Reality, Fact, or Actuality. A notion may be true or false, but notions that gain popular support before being proven or observed are always wrong. |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:39:35 -0600, "KLC Lewis" said: Significant levels of privacy can still exist in the system I propose. I understand that what you're proposing is that every individual's vote be made public in a manner that will allow the authorities to determine how that individual voted. Am I misunderstanding? No, I am proposing that each individual's vote be made public in a manner that will allow that voter to determine how their vote was recorded. A significant level of privacy would exist, as the actual identity of each number-holder would be highly confidential, and would only lead to "discovery" in the event of a court challenge to the outcome of an election. |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:08:17 -0600, "KLC Lewis" said: the actual identity of each number-holder would be highly confidential, and would only lead to "discovery" in the event of a court challenge to the outcome of an election. And experience shows that gummint bureaucrats will never sneak a peak at the information otherwise, right, even if their boss asks? Never leak information about how an individual voted to the press for political purposes, right? "The New York Times reported today that John Schmidt of Chicago Illinois voted for John McCain in the recent Presidential election." I'm trembling at the earth-shaking consequences of such a leak, Dave. |
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"Dave" wrote in message
... On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:08:17 -0600, "KLC Lewis" said: the actual identity of each number-holder would be highly confidential, and would only lead to "discovery" in the event of a court challenge to the outcome of an election. And experience shows that gummint bureaucrats will never sneak a peak at the information otherwise, right, even if their boss asks? Never leak information about how an individual voted to the press for political purposes, right? Using words like never and always tend to deflate your arguments, as they are not intellectually honest. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... "Dave" wrote in message ... On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:08:17 -0600, "KLC Lewis" said: the actual identity of each number-holder would be highly confidential, and would only lead to "discovery" in the event of a court challenge to the outcome of an election. And experience shows that gummint bureaucrats will never sneak a peak at the information otherwise, right, even if their boss asks? Never leak information about how an individual voted to the press for political purposes, right? Using words like never and always tend to deflate your arguments, as they are not intellectually honest. Isn't stating they are "not intellectually honest" tantamount to saying they are "never intellectually honest?" Duh! -- Gregory Hall |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 12:26:17 -0600, "KLC Lewis" said: "The New York Times reported today that John Schmidt of Chicago Illinois voted for John McCain in the recent Presidential election." I'm trembling at the earth-shaking consequences of such a leak, Dave. Let's expand the story a little bit. "Mr. Schmidt had been under consideration for a senior level career post in Justice Department's Civil Rights Division in the incoming administration, but apparently no longer is. An Obama spokesman said the recent disclosure of Mr. Schmidt's vote in the last election played no part in the rejection of Mr. Schmidt for the position." I fail to see a problem worth getting worked-up about. Sufficient penalties could be imposed upon those who leak voter-ID -- penalties with teeth -- as to be an actual deterrent. But let's look at the concept further: The Declaration of Independence was not signed "Anonymous." We know exactly how each and every Senator, Representative and President votes on each and every Bill that passes before them and either does, or does not, become law. The actual practice of Democracy requires individuals willing to take responsibility for how they vote, regardless of the consequences. |
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Dave wrote in
: On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 12:26:17 -0600, "KLC Lewis" said: "The New York Times reported today that John Schmidt of Chicago Illinois voted for John McCain in the recent Presidential election." I'm trembling at the earth-shaking consequences of such a leak, Dave. Let's expand the story a little bit. "Mr. Schmidt had been under consideration for a senior level career post in Justice Department's Civil Rights Division in the incoming administration, but apparently no longer is. An Obama spokesman said the recent disclosure of Mr. Schmidt's vote in the last election played no part in the rejection of Mr. Schmidt for the position." Mr Schmidt's IRS audit is scheduled for Thursday at 10AM. |
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