"Gordon" wrote in message
m...
OOPS Janet O'Leary is really DSK who is really KLC! Who are the rest of
the socks. Wilbur?
Gordon

I'm not a sock. I'm at least a shoe.

On 2008-11-25 16:57:37 -0500, said:

Has anybody been keeping track of the names "Wilbur Hubbard" and "Greg
Hall" mistakenly post under? It's more than three.... somebody has 'way
too much free time on their hands....

I've noticed from time to time, but don't care enough to take the
effort, wouldn't think much of anyone who felt the need to take the
effort.

I respond to exactly what I see in whatever current post I'm looking
at. I don't have a kill-file. Every once in a while, Wilbur or his
puppets say something I agree with. I say so without reservation as I
really don't look at the sigs, I respond to the opinions before me.

He purports to be an ass by his own representation, but sometimes he
presents a diamond of wisdom that makes me re-think my own position.
I'll call him or one of his puppets an ass if I'm annoyed or distracted
by external things -- I try to be respectful to all on the list, agree
or disagree, but am human -- but try to drill past the detritus that
can appear in any post to what the poster intended to say, the truth
behind the words.

I certainly can learn from anyone, even the children. (maybe especially
the children.)

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

On Nov 25, 12:57 pm, "Janet O'Leary"
wrote:

So,, you tell us you have bought "a lot" of boats.. but you fail to tell
us anything about any of them..

What make? Model? Length? Where do you moor/dock this mystery boat?
You are quick to tell me that you are an expert,, mr knows everything ..
but you don't tell us what the make, model, length,, of your boat is?

Huumm.... I'm doubting you have every owned even one boat. You sound like
a boat owner want a be.. A phoney..

Mr expert ... my ass..

You are a big pile of air..

Prove to us all that you own a boat .. show us the boat.. tell us the make,
model,, where you
dock her..

Come on mr smart guy.

This is starting to sound suspiciously Wilbur-esque.

So far as I can tell, any useful information about surveys has long
since passed this way, and it's now devolving into non-thread and name-
calling rants. I'm a bit surprised guns or Hitler hasn't shown up
yet, the way things have headed :{))

L8R

Skip, working on a HD recovery

This is starting to sound suspiciously Wilbur-esque.
So far as I can tell, any useful information about surveys has long
since passed this way, and it's now devolving into non-thread and name-
calling rants. I'm a bit surprised guns or Hitler hasn't shown up
yet, the way things have headed :{))

L8R
Skip, working on a HD recovery

This all started as a general "what about this boat" question.
Since, I've been attacked by people who seem to be
annoyed that I have the boldness to even be here.

I am new to the group,, and new to the idea of buying a boat.
but new to life..

Lucky for me,, I've go friends who are helping..

There seem to be many who post here that don't own boats
but consider themselves experts. I can't figure that out..

I do like reading the postings though.. I've looked back and there
are some very good points, info.

Even by the famous, or is that infamour Hubbard. He seems to be the
most disliked,, yet some of his postings are very good. I think he
does this to get folks going..

I don't plan on sailing around the world, not live on my boat.. but
I will do some cruising and live on the boat for a period of time..

"Janet O'Leary" wrote in message
...
This is starting to sound suspiciously Wilbur-esque.
snipped
There seem to be many who post here that don't own boats
but consider themselves experts. I can't figure that out..

You are quite right about that

I do like reading the postings though.. I've looked back and there
are some very good points, info.

Even by the famous, or is that infamour Hubbard. He seems to be the
most disliked,, yet some of his postings are very good. I think he
does this to get folks going..

Yes, he loves to do that. Unfortunately one has to be fairly experienced to
assess whether he is giving good information or just winding the group up
for his own amusement.
Also he posts under various names. Even 'Wilbur' is not his real name.

I don't plan on sailing around the world, not live on my boat.. but
I will do some cruising and live on the boat for a period of time..

Fair enough. Stick with the Group and in time the situation will become
clearer. There is actually some good information to be obtained here once
one has some experience of the various characters involved.

Even by the famous, or is that infamour Hubbard.

"Famous"? A legend in his own mind, perhaps.

...*He seems to be the
most disliked,, yet some of his postings are very good.

"Wilbur" and his sockpuppets (ahem) are not really disliked. At the
most, those of us who are really sailing & cruising pity whoever the
real person is, because clearly he (or she) would like to sail &
cruise but apparently cannot.... disabled somehow, perhaps? Anyway,
his/her "expertise" is mostly googled from on-line articles. Try cut-n-
pasting some parts from his more lucid, accurate posts into a search
engine, and see for yourself.

"Edgar" wrote:
Fair enough. Stick with the Group and in time the situation will become
clearer. There is actually some good information to be obtained here once
one has some experience of the various characters involved.


Yep, this place is fairly interesting and certainly some good pointers
to pick up. To me, that's one of the best things about sailing &
cruising... always more to learn!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Janet O'Leary wrote:
This is starting to sound suspiciously Wilbur-esque.
So far as I can tell, any useful information about surveys has long
since passed this way, and it's now devolving into non-thread and name-
calling rants. I'm a bit surprised guns or Hitler hasn't shown up
yet, the way things have headed :{))
L8R
Skip, working on a HD recovery

This all started as a general "what about this boat" question.
Since, I've been attacked by people who seem to be
annoyed that I have the boldness to even be here.

I am new to the group,, and new to the idea of buying a boat.
but new to life..

Lucky for me,, I've go friends who are helping..

There seem to be many who post here that don't own boats
but consider themselves experts. I can't figure that out..

I do like reading the postings though.. I've looked back and there
are some very good points, info.

Even by the famous, or is that infamour Hubbard. He seems to be the
most disliked,, yet some of his postings are very good. I think he
does this to get folks going..

I don't plan on sailing around the world, not live on my boat.. but
I will do some cruising and live on the boat for a period of time..




You're sick. Get help. You're filling up my killfile. Plonk

On Nov 25, 6:01*am, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:34:00 -0800 (PST), Two meter troll

wrote:
I dont get electrical surveys done at all, ever. there is not a used
boat on earth that does not need all the electrical ripped out and
replaced.

Fresh water.

Casady

nope if the boat is used then someone has done some fixing and it
needs a total rewire. its not a corrosion issue its a people issue.

On Nov 24, 9:23*pm, Jere Lull wrote:
On 2008-11-24 16:13:01 -0500, Vic Smith said:

Does (or can) a surveyor offer advice on pricing, or is that out of
his territory?

Our survey included a listing of recent prices.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages:http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips:http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

that is true when i looked at my surveys all of them have a market
price on them but no opinion price. in other words this is what a used
such and such costs. not this is what i would pay for such and such. I
called a couple of surveyer friends and they have listing prices and
an average calculator but when i asked if they felt comfortable giving
a what they would pay for the boat price all but one said that would
not be ethical, the one said his job is to find the flaws not find the
money. so i guess the thing would be it depends on your definition of
giving a price.

"Two meter troll" wrote in message
...
On Nov 25, 6:01 am, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:34:00 -0800 (PST), Two meter troll

wrote:
I dont get electrical surveys done at all, ever. there is not a used
boat on earth that does not need all the electrical ripped out and
replaced.

Fresh water.

Casady

nope if the boat is used then someone has done some fixing and it
needs a total rewire. its not a corrosion issue its a people issue.


I didn't find that to be the case with mine. It was all labelled and nothing
was amis until I messed with it.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com