Iain Oughtred's Ness Yawl - professional builders?
 

Hi,

I am now trying to find someone to build a Ness Yawl for me. There will
be a bit of modifications as the boat is intended for cruising in the
Ionian Sea area. Of course the builder I am looking for should be rather
close to Corfu island, professional or top amateur and trusted.

Any suggestions?

Cheers,

Peter

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*** no offence meant, no offence taken ***

Iain Oughtred's Ness Yawl - professional builders?
 

Why would anyone pay to have a plywood clinker/lapstrake boat built rather
than a traditionally built, solid wood, lapstrake/clinker boat ?

*** no offence meant, no offence taken *** but....maybe a little bit
;-)

...Ken

"Akita" wrote in message
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Hi,

I am now trying to find someone to build a Ness Yawl for me. There will
be a bit of modifications as the boat is intended for cruising in the
Ionian Sea area. Of course the builder I am looking for should be rather
close to Corfu island, professional or top amateur and trusted.

Any suggestions?

Cheers,

Peter

--

Iain Oughtred's Ness Yawl - professional builders?
 

Dnia Sat, 21 Jun 2008 06:39:08 +0000, Island Teak napisał(a):

Why would anyone pay to have a plywood clinker/lapstrake boat built
rather than a traditionally built, solid wood, lapstrake/clinker boat ?

...Ken

:D

Caeteris paribus - why not. If it costs the same, looks the same, weights
the same and sails the same - count me in.

Peter


*** no offence meant, no offence taken *** Well, if you push me... ;-)

Iain Oughtred's Ness Yawl - professional builders?
 

Your answer assumes the construction is better. It isn't and it would not be
less money, so the question still begs your rational.
Steve

"Akita" wrote in message
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Dnia Sat, 21 Jun 2008 06:39:08 +0000, Island Teak napisal(a):

Why would anyone pay to have a plywood clinker/lapstrake boat built
rather than a traditionally built, solid wood, lapstrake/clinker boat ?

...Ken

:D

Caeteris paribus - why not. If it costs the same, looks the same, weights
the same and sails the same - count me in.

Peter


*** no offence meant, no offence taken *** Well, if you push me... ;-)

Iain Oughtred's Ness Yawl - professional builders?
 

Island Teak wrote:

Why would anyone pay to have a plywood clinker/lapstrake boat built rather
than a traditionally built, solid wood, lapstrake/clinker boat ?


Could it be that a solid wood construction lives more with changes of
humidity, so leaks more the first day in water. This could make life hard
if the boat was going to live out of the water at times...

Just a wild guess, and probably wrong. I look forward to be corrected.

-H

Iain Oughtred's Ness Yawl - professional builders?
 

Dnia Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:24:52 +0200, Steve Lusardi napisał(a):

Your answer assumes the construction is better. It isn't and it would
not be less money, so the question still begs your rational. Steve

"Akita" wrote in message
...
Dnia Sat, 21 Jun 2008 06:39:08 +0000, Island Teak napisal(a):

Why would anyone pay to have a plywood clinker/lapstrake boat built
rather than a traditionally built, solid wood, lapstrake/clinker boat
?

...Ken

:D

Caeteris paribus - why not. If it costs the same, looks the same,
weights the same and sails the same - count me in.

Peter


*** no offence meant, no offence taken *** Well, if you push me... ;-)


OK, rephrasing my answer for better communication:

Because nobody offered me anything equal or better in all respects I
mentioned.

Making it even smpler: are you (or anybody you know is) ready to built
for me "a traditionally built, solid wood, lapstrake/clinker boat" better
or equal to Ness Yawl for the equivalent of 9000 EUR, not further than
2000 km from Corfu island? If so - let's discuss the deal.

Cheers,

Peter


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*** no offence meant, no offence taken ***

Iain Oughtred's Ness Yawl - professional builders?
 

Excuse me if I appear a bit negative and I certainly have no wish to rain on
your parade, but just what do you expect for 9K? I admit that I am not
familiar with your chosen design, but if it is larger than 18', your
expectations are out of order with reality. From experience, estimate the
total cost of the project in both time and money. Then double both and you
might be close, but I doubt it. My topside paint alone cost 16.5K.
Steve

"Akita" wrote in message
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Dnia Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:24:52 +0200, Steve Lusardi napisal(a):

Your answer assumes the construction is better. It isn't and it would
not be less money, so the question still begs your rational. Steve

"Akita" wrote in message
...
Dnia Sat, 21 Jun 2008 06:39:08 +0000, Island Teak napisal(a):

Why would anyone pay to have a plywood clinker/lapstrake boat built
rather than a traditionally built, solid wood, lapstrake/clinker boat
?

...Ken

:D

Caeteris paribus - why not. If it costs the same, looks the same,
weights the same and sails the same - count me in.

Peter


*** no offence meant, no offence taken *** Well, if you push me... ;-)


OK, rephrasing my answer for better communication:

Because nobody offered me anything equal or better in all respects I
mentioned.

Making it even smpler: are you (or anybody you know is) ready to built
for me "a traditionally built, solid wood, lapstrake/clinker boat" better
or equal to Ness Yawl for the equivalent of 9000 EUR, not further than
2000 km from Corfu island? If so - let's discuss the deal.

Cheers,

Peter


--
*** no offence meant, no offence taken ***

Iain Oughtred's Ness Yawl - professional builders?
 

Any properly built lapstrake/clinker boat takes a considerable amount of
time to build.
When it is finally done and either the bill is paid or you are looking at
your own work....it does come down to the quality of materials used.
When you compare tight, vertical grain, solid wood planking that has been
steam fitted with that of 'plywood' planking there is , in my opinion, no
comparism.
Some day there may be no alternative to plywood...but, until that day comes
there is still quality wood available and a clinker built boat is a damned
fine use of that wood !

A thin bead of polyurethane type expandable adhesive on the laps takes care
of any problems of putting a dry lapstrake boat back into the wet.



best regards...Ken





"Akita" wrote in message
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Dnia Sat, 21 Jun 2008 06:39:08 +0000, Island Teak napisal(a):

Why would anyone pay to have a plywood clinker/lapstrake boat built
rather than a traditionally built, solid wood, lapstrake/clinker boat ?

...Ken

:D

Caeteris paribus - why not. If it costs the same, looks the same, weights
the same and sails the same - count me in.

Peter


*** no offence meant, no offence taken *** Well, if you push me... ;-)

Iain Oughtred's Ness Yawl - professional builders?
 

Dnia Sun, 22 Jun 2008 00:35:03 +0200, Steve Lusardi napisał(a):

Excuse me if I appear a bit negative and I certainly have no wish to
rain on your parade, but just what do you expect for 9K? I admit that I
am not familiar with your chosen design, but if it is larger than 18',
your expectations are out of order with reality. From experience,
estimate the total cost of the project in both time and money. Then
double both and you might be close, but I doubt it. My topside paint
alone cost 16.5K. Steve


Steve, Ken,

I am not sure what we are talking about. I have answered question asked
("Why...") and that is it. My choice is certainly different that yours -
and this is normal. You do not know the boat - fine, I do not expect you
to do the homework. But finally, what is your point, guys? I mean, apart
from the fact that you seem a bit disgusted with the fact that I am going
to sail *cheap* boat?

Cheers,

Peter

*** no offence meant, no offence taken ***

Iain Oughtred's Ness Yawl - professional builders?
 

I'm afraid you have missed the point. This is a boat building news group.
Some of us here are at least are very experienced boat builders and the
point I am making, without insulting your intelligence is; do not start this
project unless you have the resources, dedication and personal discipline to
complete it. May I also point out that the same dedication better also be
shared by your family as well. There is no such thing as a cheap boat and
building is NOT the least expensive route to floating a boat. That position
is held by those people that buy other peoples boats that are sold in
desperation.
Steve

"Akita" wrote in message
...
Dnia Sun, 22 Jun 2008 00:35:03 +0200, Steve Lusardi napisal(a):

Excuse me if I appear a bit negative and I certainly have no wish to
rain on your parade, but just what do you expect for 9K? I admit that I
am not familiar with your chosen design, but if it is larger than 18',
your expectations are out of order with reality. From experience,
estimate the total cost of the project in both time and money. Then
double both and you might be close, but I doubt it. My topside paint
alone cost 16.5K. Steve


Steve, Ken,

I am not sure what we are talking about. I have answered question asked
("Why...") and that is it. My choice is certainly different that yours -
and this is normal. You do not know the boat - fine, I do not expect you
to do the homework. But finally, what is your point, guys? I mean, apart
from the fact that you seem a bit disgusted with the fact that I am going
to sail *cheap* boat?

Cheers,

Peter

*** no offence meant, no offence taken ***