Kohler 6.5KW CZ generator blowing fuse
 

I have a gas powered 6.5 KW Kohler generator Model 6.5CZ that blows
the 10 amp input fuse whenever I shut it down from the engine mounted
or remote kill switches. It then won't restart until I install a new
fuse. Does anyone have any idea what would be causing this? The unit
starts & runs fine, and for now, I stop it by removing the fuse and
then replace it once it is shut down.

There is a second fuse, but this goes to the battery charging system
and seems to be unaffected by the stopping sequence. I have this
posted to a couple of boating & RV groups so I hope someone can help
me on it. Please feel free to respond to my email directly if you're
reluctant to respond to the group.

Thanks in advance.

Kohler 6.5KW CZ generator blowing fuse
 

"GSS" wrote in message
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I have a gas powered 6.5 KW Kohler generator Model 6.5CZ that blows
the 10 amp input fuse whenever I shut it down from the engine mounted
or remote kill switches. It then won't restart until I install a new
fuse. Does anyone have any idea what would be causing this? The unit
starts & runs fine, and for now, I stop it by removing the fuse and
then replace it once it is shut down.

There is a second fuse, but this goes to the battery charging system
and seems to be unaffected by the stopping sequence. I have this
posted to a couple of boating & RV groups so I hope someone can help
me on it. Please feel free to respond to my email directly if you're
reluctant to respond to the group.

Thanks in advance.


Obviously the "kill" switch energizes a relay or solenoid to either
interrupt ignition or fuel. I am not familiar with gas generators but on a
diesel, the kill switch usually energizes a fuel supply solenoid. I'd
look to see what that fuse is supplying power to and I suspect whatever it
is ... is bad.

Eisboch

Kohler 6.5KW CZ generator blowing fuse
 

You must disconnect all generator load before shutting it down or you can
damage both the generator or the load. Perhaps there is an automatic
disconnect that is now not functioning. Try manually unplugging all loads,
then shutting down.
Steve


"GSS" wrote in message
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I have a gas powered 6.5 KW Kohler generator Model 6.5CZ that blows
the 10 amp input fuse whenever I shut it down from the engine mounted
or remote kill switches. It then won't restart until I install a new
fuse. Does anyone have any idea what would be causing this? The unit
starts & runs fine, and for now, I stop it by removing the fuse and
then replace it once it is shut down.

There is a second fuse, but this goes to the battery charging system
and seems to be unaffected by the stopping sequence. I have this
posted to a couple of boating & RV groups so I hope someone can help
me on it. Please feel free to respond to my email directly if you're
reluctant to respond to the group.

Thanks in advance.

Kohler 6.5KW CZ generator blowing fuse
 

On Jan 26, 6:15�am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"GSS" wrote in message

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I have a gas powered 6.5 KW Kohler generator Model 6.5CZ that blows
the 10 amp input fuse whenever I shut it down from the engine mounted
or remote kill switches. �It then won't restart until I install a new
fuse. �Does anyone have any idea what would be causing this? �The unit
starts & runs fine, and for now, I stop it by removing the fuse and
then replace it once it is shut down.

There is a second fuse, but this goes to the battery charging system
and seems to be unaffected by the stopping sequence. �I have this
posted to a couple of boating & RV groups so I hope someone can help
me on it. �Please feel free to respond to my email directly if you're
reluctant to respond to the group.

Thanks in advance.

Obviously the "kill" switch energizes a relay or solenoid to either
interrupt ignition or fuel. �I am not familiar with gas generators but on a
diesel, the kill switch usually energizes a fuel supply solenoid. � �I'd
look to see what that fuse is supplying power to and I suspect whatever it
is ... is bad.

Eisboch

Could an improper ground of the controlled component cause the blown
fuse, or would it be more likely that the component itself is gunny
sack?

As an electrical duffer, my other horseback guess might be a short
circuit in the wiring connecting the switches to the controlled shut-
off component. Could the generator be stopping because the fuse is
blown by bad wiring in the control circuit rather, than due to any
reaction to the switch(es)?

Kohler 6.5KW CZ generator blowing fuse
 

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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On Jan 26, 6:15?am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"GSS" wrote in message

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I have a gas powered 6.5 KW Kohler generator Model 6.5CZ that blows
the 10 amp input fuse whenever I shut it down from the engine mounted
or remote kill switches. ?It then won't restart until I install a new
fuse. ?Does anyone have any idea what would be causing this? ?The unit
starts & runs fine, and for now, I stop it by removing the fuse and
then replace it once it is shut down.

There is a second fuse, but this goes to the battery charging system
and seems to be unaffected by the stopping sequence. ?I have this
posted to a couple of boating & RV groups so I hope someone can help
me on it. ?Please feel free to respond to my email directly if you're
reluctant to respond to the group.

Thanks in advance.

Obviously the "kill" switch energizes a relay or solenoid to either
interrupt ignition or fuel. ?I am not familiar with gas generators but on
a
diesel, the kill switch usually energizes a fuel supply solenoid. ? ?I'd
look to see what that fuse is supplying power to and I suspect whatever it
is ... is bad.

Eisboch

Could an improper ground of the controlled component cause the blown
fuse, or would it be more likely that the component itself is gunny
sack?

As an electrical duffer, my other horseback guess might be a short
circuit in the wiring connecting the switches to the controlled shut-
off component. Could the generator be stopping because the fuse is
blown by bad wiring in the control circuit rather, than due to any
reaction to the switch(es)?


Giving the OP's post more thought,

If the generator shuts down ok by *removing* the 10 amp fuse that normally
blows if using one of the kill switches, it suggests that a solenoid or
something is *energized* while running. The kill switches must interrupt
the power to something .... same as removing the fuse.

Therefore, I'd probably be looking for a wiring problem.

Eisboch

Kohler 6.5KW CZ generator blowing fuse
 

On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 06:08:11 -0800 (PST), GSS
wrote:

I have a gas powered 6.5 KW Kohler generator Model 6.5CZ that blows
the 10 amp input fuse whenever I shut it down from the engine mounted
or remote kill switches. It then won't restart until I install a new
fuse. Does anyone have any idea what would be causing this? The unit
starts & runs fine, and for now, I stop it by removing the fuse and
then replace it once it is shut down.

There is a second fuse, but this goes to the battery charging system
and seems to be unaffected by the stopping sequence. I have this
posted to a couple of boating & RV groups so I hope someone can help
me on it. Please feel free to respond to my email directly if you're
reluctant to respond to the group.

Thanks in advance.

What's an "input fuse"?
I may be blowing wind, and I have no experience of this rig,
but a mechanism that comes to mind is this:
the engine slows, the generator volts drop, and the field regulator
boosts the current to hold the output voltage, blowing a field current
fuse.

Brian W

Kohler 6.5KW CZ generator blowing fuse
 

On Jan 26, 9:19*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

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On Jan 26, 6:15?am, "Eisboch" wrote:





"GSS" wrote in message

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I have a gas powered 6.5 KW Kohler generator Model 6.5CZ that blows
the 10 amp input fuse whenever I shut it down from the engine mounted
or remote kill switches. ?It then won't restart until I install a new
fuse. ?Does anyone have any idea what would be causing this? ?The unit
starts & runs fine, and for now, I stop it by removing the fuse and
then replace it once it is shut down.

There is a second fuse, but this goes to the battery charging system
and seems to be unaffected by the stopping sequence. ?I have this
posted to a couple of boating & RV groups so I hope someone can help
me on it. ?Please feel free to respond to my email directly if you're
reluctant to respond to the group.

Thanks in advance.

Obviously the "kill" switch energizes a relay or solenoid to either
interrupt ignition or fuel. ?I am not familiar with gas generators but on
a
diesel, the kill switch usually energizes a fuel supply solenoid. ? ?I'd
look to see what that fuse is supplying power to and I suspect whatever it
is ... is bad.

Eisboch

Could an improper ground of the controlled component cause the blown
fuse, or would it be more likely that the component itself is gunny
sack?

As an electrical duffer, my other horseback guess might be a short
circuit in the wiring connecting the switches to the controlled shut-
off component. Could the generator be stopping because the fuse is
blown by bad wiring in the control circuit rather, than due to any
reaction to the switch(es)?

Giving the OP's post more thought,

If the generator shuts down ok by *removing* the 10 amp fuse that normally
blows if using one of the kill switches, it suggests that a solenoid or
something is *energized* while running. * The kill switches must interrupt
the power to something .... same as removing the fuse.

Therefore, I'd probably be looking for a wiring problem.

Eisboch- Hide quoted text -

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Thinking it through, I believe the kill switch grounds the voltage
from the coil voltage to the block, so it doesn't reach the spark
plug...before it gets to the spark plug, shorting the voltage between
the coil and the spark plugs, which ceases the spark, and causes

Kohler 6.5KW CZ generator blowing fuse
 

"input" fuse is what it's marked. When the fuse is blown, the starter
won't run. It is only a 10 amp fuse so I don't think the power for
the starter runs THRU the fuse, but the fuse must protect some sort of
contactor or solenoid which closes the circuit for the starter. I
thought there might be something on the toggle switch that is
shorting, but it seems to blow the fuse whether the remote kill switch
or unit mounted switch is used to kill the generator.

Kohler 6.5KW CZ generator blowing fuse
 

"GSS" wrote in message
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"input" fuse is what it's marked. When the fuse is blown, the starter
won't run. It is only a 10 amp fuse so I don't think the power for
the starter runs THRU the fuse, but the fuse must protect some sort of
contactor or solenoid which closes the circuit for the starter. I
thought there might be something on the toggle switch that is
shorting, but it seems to blow the fuse whether the remote kill switch
or unit mounted switch is used to kill the generator.


I am not an expert and there are others here that may have more exact
knowledge, but I think your starter solenoid is bad.

Eisboch

Kohler 6.5KW CZ generator blowing fuse
 

There is a second fuse, but this goes to the battery charging system
and seems to be unaffected by the stopping sequence. �
Thanks in advance.

Fuses have other characteristics than Amps. What type does the owners
manual recommend?

Kohler 6.5KW CZ generator blowing fuse
 

On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 10:19:06 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

If the generator shuts down ok by *removing* the 10 amp fuse that normally
blows if using one of the kill switches, it suggests that a solenoid or
something is *energized* while running. The kill switches must interrupt
the power to something .... same as removing the fuse.

I have an Onan diesel generator that works pretty much as you
describe. There is a solenoid which must be activated for the
generator to start and continue running. If an over temp or low oil
pressure sensor trips, power to the solenoid is interuppted and the
generator stops. It will not restart until a reset button is pressed.
When you press the stop button, a relay is activated which interrupts
power to the solenoid. My guess would be a short circuit or defective
shut down relay.

Kohler 6.5KW CZ generator blowing fuse
 

On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 09:51:00 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

If the generator shuts down ok by *removing* the 10 amp fuse that normally
blows

My Maytag washer and drier have the wiring diagrams pasted to the
inside of the removable sheet metal access panels. Maytag is no more,
unfortunately.

Casady

Kohler 6.5KW CZ generator blowing fuse
 

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 09:51:00 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

If the generator shuts down ok by *removing* the 10 amp fuse that
normally
blows

My Maytag washer and drier have the wiring diagrams pasted to the
inside of the removable sheet metal access panels. Maytag is no more,
unfortunately.

Casady


Whirlpool still use the Mmaytag name but the appliances aren't what they
used to be... re massive recall last year.

Kohler 6.5KW CZ generator blowing fuse
 

On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:04:39 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"Richard Casady" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 09:51:00 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

If the generator shuts down ok by *removing* the 10 amp fuse that
normally
blows

My Maytag washer and drier have the wiring diagrams pasted to the
inside of the removable sheet metal access panels. Maytag is no more,
unfortunately.

Casady


Whirlpool still use the Mmaytag name but the appliances aren't what they
used to be... re massive recall last year.

Maytag is still very much in business. Check http://www.maytag.com
In addition they own many other brands such as Whirlpool, Amana, etc.

George

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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Kohler 6.5KW CZ generator blowing fuse
 

wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:04:39 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"Richard Casady" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 09:51:00 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

If the generator shuts down ok by *removing* the 10 amp fuse that
normally
blows

My Maytag washer and drier have the wiring diagrams pasted to the
inside of the removable sheet metal access panels. Maytag is no more,
unfortunately.

Casady


Whirlpool still use the Mmaytag name but the appliances aren't what they
used to be... re massive recall last year.

Maytag is still very much in business. Check http://www.maytag.com
In addition they own many other brands such as Whirlpool, Amana, etc.

George

--
eerrr...i think you have that backwards...Whirlpool bought Maytag.
I know this because I was one of those affected by the inner door/control
panel fiasco last year. Finally got a new dishwasher out of it.

Kohler 6.5KW CZ generator blowing fuse
 

On Jan 27, 1:50*pm, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:04:39 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 09:51:00 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

If the generator shuts down ok by *removing* the 10 amp fuse that
normally
blows

My Maytag washer and drier have the wiring diagrams pasted to the
inside of the removable sheet metal access panels. Maytag is no more,
unfortunately.

Casady

Whirlpool still use the Mmaytag name but the appliances aren't what they
used to be... re massive recall last year.

Maytag is still very much in business. *Check http://www.maytag.com
In addition they own many other brands such as Whirlpool, Amana, etc.

George

--

eerrr...i think you have that backwards...Whirlpool bought Maytag.
I know this because I was one of those affected by the inner door/control
panel fiasco last year. * Finally got a new dishwasher out of it.- Hide quoted text -

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The input fuse is the fuse which protects the whole control
panel...I've determined that from the schematic which was as a
previous poster suggested. The stop sequence activates a number of
relays any one of which could be shorting & blowing the fuse. The
engine is killed from a "fuel solenoid", which I believe connects to
the Carbeuretor and may choke the engine. I found a kohler parts
schematic and it looks like I'll need to replace the whole panel...the
relays are not removable. Thanks for all the help!

Kohler 6.5KW CZ generator blowing fuse
 

GSS wrote:
I have a gas powered 6.5 KW Kohler generator Model 6.5CZ that blows
the 10 amp input fuse whenever I shut it down from the engine mounted
or remote kill switches.

This may not be related. However, I have a 20kw Kohler that kept blowing
fuses for no reason. I found out the improper fuse was installed. A 10
amp high heat ceramic fuse should have been used. The heat given off
from the generator engine would heat up the fuse, and de-rate it. A
ceramic fuse is designed to operate in high ambient temperatures.

I hope this helps.
John