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Most People Will Never Know About Biodiesel
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Most People Will Never Know About Biodiesel
Yada, yada yada... same old text, same old header. SOS.
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Most People Will Never Know About Biodiesel
Keith wrote:
Yada, yada yada... same old text, same old header. SOS. But true, if not the whole story. It's still a shill for a commercial enterprise. -- “TAANSTAFL” __________________________________________________ __________________________ Something to think about, from a wise man now long dead….: “In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American. “There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. “We have room for but one flag, the American flag. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.” --Theodore Roosevelt...1907 __________________________________________________ __________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 __________________________________________________ __________________________ |
Most People Will Never Know About Biodiesel
On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 14:10:48 -0600 dazed and confuzzed
) wrote: Keith wrote: Yada, yada yada... same old text, same old header. SOS. But true, if not the whole story. It's still a shill for a commercial enterprise. As long as a government is protecting the oil industry? I don't think so. Here in the Netherlands, for diesel fuel used for propulsion of a boat, or any private vehicle, you have to pay tax, about 30 %. How is that in the US? -- Richard e-mail: vervang/replace invalid door/with NL.net |
Most People Will Never Know About Biodiesel
I replied, got an email, and was asked to pay for information freely
available if you dags. Thanks but no thanks. |
Most People Will Never Know About Biodiesel
Richard van den Berg wrote:
On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 14:10:48 -0600 dazed and confuzzed ) wrote: Keith wrote: Yada, yada yada... same old text, same old header. SOS. But true, if not the whole story. It's still a shill for a commercial enterprise. No, I mean his postings are a shill to get you to his website where he attempts to sell you "the secret info on biodiesel". As long as a government is protecting the oil industry? I don't think so. Here in the Netherlands, for diesel fuel used for propulsion of a boat, or any private vehicle, you have to pay tax, about 30 %. How is that in the US? It varies from state to state but averages about 20 cents per gallon, and the federal tax is 18.4 cents per gallon. -- “TAANSTAFL” __________________________________________________ __________________________ Something to think about, from a wise man now long dead….: “In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American. “There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. “We have room for but one flag, the American flag. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.” --Theodore Roosevelt...1907 __________________________________________________ __________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 __________________________________________________ __________________________ |
Most People Will Never Know About Biodiesel
On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 08:20:47 -0600 dazed and confuzzed
) wrote: No, I mean his postings are a shill Thanks. to get you to his website where he attempts to sell you "the secret info on biodiesel". Not to me ;-) -- Richard e-mail: vervang/replace invalid door/with NL.net |
Most People Will Never Know About Biodiesel
Richard van den Berg wrote:
On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 08:20:47 -0600 dazed and confuzzed ) wrote: No, I mean his postings are a shill Thanks. to get you to his website where he attempts to sell you "the secret info on biodiesel". Not to me ;-) Nor to me. -- “TAANSTAFL” __________________________________________________ __________________________ Something to think about, from a wise man now long dead….: “In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American. “There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. “We have room for but one flag, the American flag. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.” --Theodore Roosevelt...1907 __________________________________________________ __________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 __________________________________________________ __________________________ |
Most People Will Never Know About Biodiesel
I'm in San Antonio right now... turns out they're having a biodiesel
conference. He's an equipment supplier that sells stuff to make it on a commercial level. Told me that they know it's only a fad, but hey... they're going to make as much as they can while it is. He figures it'll all be over in about 5 years. |
Most People Will Never Know About Biodiesel
Keith wrote:
I'm in San Antonio right now... turns out they're having a biodiesel conference. He's an equipment supplier that sells stuff to make it on a commercial level. Told me that they know it's only a fad, but hey... they're going to make as much as they can while it is. He figures it'll all be over in about 5 years. Only if they get rid of diesel engines. Biodiesel seems to work without government subsidies given to ethanol, and has been around for nearly as long. -- “TAANSTAFL” __________________________________________________ __________________________ Something to think about, from a wise man now long dead….: “In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American. “There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. “We have room for but one flag, the American flag. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.” --Theodore Roosevelt...1907 __________________________________________________ __________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 __________________________________________________ __________________________ |
Most People Will Never Know About Biodiesel
Nope, just no economical feedstock supply in sufficient quantity.
Everybody goes crazy over using french fry oil for diesel, but how much used FF oil is there, anyway? Not enough to make even the slightest dent in the diesel usage in the USA. Other sources simply aren't economical now. Economics may play out in the long run, but for now, it just ain't gonna work, unless of course the gummit mandates it and (as usual) screws with the laws of economics. It's still a fad for now. |
Most People Will Never Know About Biodiesel
Keith wrote:
Nope, just no economical feedstock supply in sufficient quantity. Everybody goes crazy over using french fry oil for diesel, but how much used FF oil is there, anyway? Not enough to make even the slightest dent in the diesel usage in the USA. Other sources simply aren't economical now. Economics may play out in the long run, but for now, it just ain't gonna work, unless of course the gummit mandates it and (as usual) screws with the laws of economics. It's still a fad for now. While used FF oil is handy (and free), it is limited However, there is oil available in all that corn meal that is left over after the yeast has done it's magic in the ethanol plants. You are right, it's not a complete solution, but it's as viable (or more) than ethanol. -- “TAANSTAFL” __________________________________________________ __________________________ Something to think about, from a wise man now long dead….: “In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American. “There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. “We have room for but one flag, the American flag. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.” --Theodore Roosevelt...1907 __________________________________________________ __________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 __________________________________________________ __________________________ |
Most People Will Never Know About Biodiesel
Nope, just no economical feedstock supply in sufficient quantity.
Everybody goes crazy over using french fry oil for diesel, but how much used FF oil is there, anyway? Not enough to make even the slightest dent in the diesel usage in the USA. Other sources simply aren't economical now. Economics may play out in the long run, but for now, it just ain't gonna work, unless of course the gummit mandates it and (as usual) screws with the laws of economics. It's still a fad for now. Well there is another option. All of those farmers that get paid by the government to not farm could grow appropriate plants and use them to create biodeisel. That would be the Gov't interferring less with economics and a source of a lot of fuel. I really don't know all of the in and outs of this but it might be a viable means of producing fuel and resucing federal spending/medling. Bill -- Message posted via BoatKB.com http://www.boatkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/build/200702/1 |
Most People Will Never Know About Biodiesel
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:22:15 GMT scbafreak via BoatKB.com
(u25927@uwe) wrote: Nope, just no economical feedstock supply in sufficient quantity. Everybody goes crazy over using french fry oil for diesel, but how much used FF oil is there, anyway? Not enough to make even the slightest dent in the diesel usage in the USA. Other sources simply aren't economical now. Economics may play out in the long run, but for now, it just ain't gonna work, unless of course the gummit mandates it and (as usual) screws with the laws of economics. It's still a fad for now. Well there is another option. All of those farmers that get paid by the government to not farm could grow appropriate plants and use them to create biodeisel. That would be the Gov't interferring less with economics and a source of a lot of fuel. I really don't know all of the in and outs of this but it might be a viable means of producing fuel and resucing federal spending/medling. In Germany there has been a study if a farmer can be self supportive and the answer is yes. Complete with a study on the effects that biodiesel has on the machinery. The conclusion the way I read it was that it is all economical possible but not a Walhalla. But hey we boaters are much better of with fuel cells that run on hydrogen. Were floating on H2O. -- Richard e-mail: vervang/replace invalid door/with NL.net |
Most People Will Never Know About Biodiesel
But hey we boaters are much better of with fuel cells that run on
hydrogen. Were floating on H2O. Hey I'm a big fan of Hydrogen power but it needs some industry standards before it can really start to take off. BMW has made a hydrogen car but only sells it to employees of thier factory because the only place to fill it is at thier gas station that is totally state of the art. It is a really nice car based off their 750 series and is refueled by robotic gas pumps. Once that technology really gets going then it will hopefully become available to boaters. Sadly it will be expensive at first. Bill -- Message posted via BoatKB.com http://www.boatkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/build/200702/1 |
Most People Will Never Know About Biodiesel
Richard van den Berg wrote:
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:22:15 GMT scbafreak via BoatKB.com (u25927@uwe) wrote: Nope, just no economical feedstock supply in sufficient quantity. Everybody goes crazy over using french fry oil for diesel, but how much used FF oil is there, anyway? Not enough to make even the slightest dent in the diesel usage in the USA. Other sources simply aren't economical now. Economics may play out in the long run, but for now, it just ain't gonna work, unless of course the gummit mandates it and (as usual) screws with the laws of economics. It's still a fad for now. Well there is another option. All of those farmers that get paid by the government to not farm could grow appropriate plants and use them to create biodeisel. That would be the Gov't interferring less with economics and a source of a lot of fuel. I really don't know all of the in and outs of this but it might be a viable means of producing fuel and resucing federal spending/medling. In Germany there has been a study if a farmer can be self supportive and the answer is yes. Complete with a study on the effects that biodiesel has on the machinery. The conclusion the way I read it was that it is all economical possible but not a Walhalla. But hey we boaters are much better of with fuel cells that run on hydrogen. Were floating on H2O. Floating on H2O is not an issue. The issue s breaking the water into hydrogen and oxygen, and dealing with the handling and the efficiency issues. There will likely (unless there is a great change in the way that we currently deal with hydrogen) never be a "hydrogen economy" as the energy and efficiency issues are not realistic at this time. It's a nice dream, but reality eventually raises it's ugly head. -- “TAANSTAFL” __________________________________________________ __________________________ Something to think about, from a wise man now long dead….: “In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American. “There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. “We have room for but one flag, the American flag. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.” --Theodore Roosevelt...1907 __________________________________________________ __________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 __________________________________________________ __________________________ |
Most People Will Never Know About Biodiesel
Floating on H2O is not an issue. The issue s breaking the water into
hydrogen and oxygen, and dealing with the handling and the efficiency issues. There will likely (unless there is a great change in the way that we currently deal with hydrogen) never be a "hydrogen economy" as the energy and efficiency issues are not realistic at this time. It's a nice dream, but reality eventually raises it's ugly head. Water can be turned into hydrogen and oxygen with a little electricity which can be produced by solar panels. Its pretty easy, most high school chemistry classes do it with pretty basic tools. They have been able to store it and effectively utilize it but the problem is that H2 is a gas so it has to be compressed to get enough of it stored to actually do anything. The problems with using it in cars has largely been the connection from the pump to the vehicle. There are a potential infinite number of ways to do this andalmost as many ways to store it but it would have to be a standard among the entire industry to make it work not to mention ever refueling station would have to have the proper connections. There are several companies that have made hydrogen powered vehicles and appliances. They reportedly work great but getting everyone to agree takes a lot of time. In the early 1900's there weren't gas stations at every street corner but people made due until eventually they were everywhere. The same thing could be true for hydrogen it just takes time. Greenland is already using a lot of hydrogen power in it's homes and electrical generation. Their biggest problem is coming up with new ways to use it and move it around. Since they are the only ones doing it then they have to pay a higher price. Bill -- Message posted via http://www.boatkb.com |
Most People Will Never Know About Biodiesel
I'm in San Antonio right now... turns out they're having a biodiesel
conference. He's an equipment supplier that sells stuff to make it on a commercial level. Told me that they know it's only a fad, but hey... they're going to make as much as they can while it is. He figures it'll all be over in about 5 years. Biodeisel has been around since the deisel engine was invented. In fact deisel engines were originally run on vegeable oil in WWII by the Nazis who invented it. It wasn't until later that is was run on the deisel fuel we use now. I would say that doesn't really qualify as a fad. People have been making it themselves ever since. Maybe the current surge of people buying their stuff will be over in 5 years but people will always want a new way to get fuel. Bill -- Message posted via http://www.boatkb.com |
Most People Will Never Know About Biodiesel
scbafreak via BoatKB.com wrote:
Floating on H2O is not an issue. The issue s breaking the water into hydrogen and oxygen, and dealing with the handling and the efficiency issues. There will likely (unless there is a great change in the way that we currently deal with hydrogen) never be a "hydrogen economy" as the energy and efficiency issues are not realistic at this time. It's a nice dream, but reality eventually raises it's ugly head. Water can be turned into hydrogen and oxygen with a little electricity which can be produced by solar panels. You'd be better off storing the solar produced electricity in a battery. Look at the cycle. H20+electricity to H2 to fuel cell to electricity and H2O. Its pretty easy, most high school chemistry classes do it with pretty basic tools. But they don't use it to power something. They have been able to store it and effectively utilize it but the problem is that H2 is a gas so it has to be compressed to get enough of it stored to actually do anything. Part of the inefficiency. The problems with using it in cars has largely been the connection from the pump to the vehicle. And the lack of much heat energy in hydrogen. The energy density is fairly low. There are a potential infinite number of ways to do this and almost as many ways to store it but it would have to be a standard among the entire industry to make it work not to mention ever refueling station would have to have the proper connections. There are several companies that have made hydrogen powered vehicles and appliances. They reportedly work great but getting everyone to agree takes a lot of time. In the early 1900's there weren't gas stations at every street corner but people made due until eventually they were everywhere. The same thing could be true for hydrogen it just takes time. Greenland is already using a lot of hydrogen power in it's homes and electrical generation. Their biggest problem is coming up with new ways to use it and move it around. Since they are the only ones doing it then they have to pay a higher price. Bill -- “TAANSTAFL� __________________________________________________ __________________________ Something to think about, from a wise man now long dead….: “In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American. “There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. “We have room for but one flag, the American flag. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.� --Theodore Roosevelt...1907 __________________________________________________ __________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 __________________________________________________ __________________________ |
Most People Will Never Know About Biodiesel
Now this is a lot of nonsense in one post: Is is spelled DIESEL, like Rudolf Diesel, who invented the diesel engine in 1892. No Nazis, no vegetable oil, but coal. Biodeisel has been around since the deisel engine was invented. In fact deisel engines were originally run on vegeable oil in WWII by the Nazis who invented it. It wasn't until later that is was run on the deisel fuel we use now. I would say that doesn't really qualify as a fad. People have been making it themselves ever since. Maybe the current surge of people buying their stuff will be over in 5 years but people will always want a new way to get fuel. Bill -- Message posted viahttp://www.boatkb.com |
Most People Will Never Know About Biodiesel
wrote:
Now this is a lot of nonsense in one post: Is is spelled DIESEL, like Rudolf Diesel, who invented the diesel engine in 1892. No Nazis, no vegetable oil, but coal. You are correct, to a point. Originally he used coal dust injected via compressed air. Then vegetable oil. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Diesel http://www.ybiofuels.org/bio_fuels/history_diesel.html http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/analysis...sel/index.html But no nazis. Biodeisel has been around since the deisel engine was invented. In fact deisel engines were originally run on vegeable oil in WWII by the Nazis who invented it. It wasn't until later that is was run on the deisel fuel we use now. I would say that doesn't really qualify as a fad. People have been making it themselves ever since. Maybe the current surge of people buying their stuff will be over in 5 years but people will always want a new way to get fuel. Bill -- Message posted viahttp://www.boatkb.com -- “TAANSTAFL” __________________________________________________ __________________________ Something to think about, from a wise man now long dead….: “In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American. “There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. “We have room for but one flag, the American flag. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.” --Theodore Roosevelt...1907 __________________________________________________ __________________________ "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 __________________________________________________ __________________________ |
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