Richard van den Berg wrote:

On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 08:20:47 -0600 dazed and confuzzed
) wrote:


No, I mean his postings are a shill


Thanks.


to get you to his website where he attempts to sell you "the secret
info on biodiesel".


Not to me ;-)

Nor to me.



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Something to think about, from a wise man now long dead….:

“In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes
here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he
shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an
outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or
birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming
in every facet an American, and nothing but an American.
“There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an
American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all.
“We have room for but one flag, the American flag. We have room for but
one language here, and that is the English language and we have room for
but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”
--Theodore Roosevelt...1907

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"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3
__________________________________________________ __________________________

I'm in San Antonio right now... turns out they're having a biodiesel
conference. He's an equipment supplier that sells stuff to make it on
a commercial level. Told me that they know it's only a fad, but hey...
they're going to make as much as they can while it is. He figures
it'll all be over in about 5 years.

Keith wrote:
I'm in San Antonio right now... turns out they're having a biodiesel
conference. He's an equipment supplier that sells stuff to make it on
a commercial level. Told me that they know it's only a fad, but hey...
they're going to make as much as they can while it is. He figures
it'll all be over in about 5 years.


Only if they get rid of diesel engines.

Biodiesel seems to work without government subsidies given to ethanol,
and has been around for nearly as long.



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“TAANSTAFL”

__________________________________________________ __________________________
Something to think about, from a wise man now long dead….:

“In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes
here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he
shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an
outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or
birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming
in every facet an American, and nothing but an American.
“There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an
American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all.
“We have room for but one flag, the American flag. We have room for but
one language here, and that is the English language and we have room for
but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”
--Theodore Roosevelt...1907

__________________________________________________ __________________________

"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3
__________________________________________________ __________________________

Nope, just no economical feedstock supply in sufficient quantity.
Everybody goes crazy over using french fry oil for diesel, but how
much used FF oil is there, anyway? Not enough to make even the
slightest dent in the diesel usage in the USA. Other sources simply
aren't economical now. Economics may play out in the long run, but for
now, it just ain't gonna work, unless of course the gummit mandates it
and (as usual) screws with the laws of economics. It's still a fad for
now.

Keith wrote:

Nope, just no economical feedstock supply in sufficient quantity.
Everybody goes crazy over using french fry oil for diesel, but how
much used FF oil is there, anyway? Not enough to make even the
slightest dent in the diesel usage in the USA. Other sources simply
aren't economical now. Economics may play out in the long run, but for
now, it just ain't gonna work, unless of course the gummit mandates it
and (as usual) screws with the laws of economics. It's still a fad for
now.


While used FF oil is handy (and free), it is limited

However, there is oil available in all that corn meal that is left over
after the yeast has done it's magic in the ethanol plants.

You are right, it's not a complete solution, but it's as viable (or
more) than ethanol.




--
“TAANSTAFL”

__________________________________________________ __________________________
Something to think about, from a wise man now long dead….:

“In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes
here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he
shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an
outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or
birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming
in every facet an American, and nothing but an American.
“There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an
American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all.
“We have room for but one flag, the American flag. We have room for but
one language here, and that is the English language and we have room for
but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”
--Theodore Roosevelt...1907

__________________________________________________ __________________________

"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3
__________________________________________________ __________________________

Nope, just no economical feedstock supply in sufficient quantity.
Everybody goes crazy over using french fry oil for diesel, but how
much used FF oil is there, anyway? Not enough to make even the
slightest dent in the diesel usage in the USA. Other sources simply
aren't economical now. Economics may play out in the long run, but for
now, it just ain't gonna work, unless of course the gummit mandates it
and (as usual) screws with the laws of economics. It's still a fad for
now.

Well there is another option. All of those farmers that get paid by the
government to not farm could grow appropriate plants and use them to create
biodeisel. That would be the Gov't interferring less with economics and a
source of a lot of fuel. I really don't know all of the in and outs of this
but it might be a viable means of producing fuel and resucing federal
spending/medling.

Bill

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On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:22:15 GMT scbafreak via BoatKB.com
(u25927@uwe) wrote:
Nope, just no economical feedstock supply in sufficient quantity.
Everybody goes crazy over using french fry oil for diesel, but how
much used FF oil is there, anyway? Not enough to make even the
slightest dent in the diesel usage in the USA. Other sources simply
aren't economical now. Economics may play out in the long run, but for
now, it just ain't gonna work, unless of course the gummit mandates it
and (as usual) screws with the laws of economics. It's still a fad for
now.

Well there is another option. All of those farmers that get paid by the
government to not farm could grow appropriate plants and use them to create
biodeisel. That would be the Gov't interferring less with economics and a
source of a lot of fuel. I really don't know all of the in and outs of this
but it might be a viable means of producing fuel and resucing federal
spending/medling.

In Germany there has been a study if a farmer can be self supportive and
the answer is yes. Complete with a study on the effects that biodiesel
has on the machinery.
The conclusion the way I read it was that it is all economical possible
but not a Walhalla.

But hey we boaters are much better of with fuel cells that run on
hydrogen. Were floating on H2O.

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But hey we boaters are much better of with fuel cells that run on
hydrogen. Were floating on H2O.



Hey I'm a big fan of Hydrogen power but it needs some industry standards
before it can really start to take off. BMW has made a hydrogen car but only
sells it to employees of thier factory because the only place to fill it is
at thier gas station that is totally state of the art. It is a really nice
car based off their 750 series and is refueled by robotic gas pumps. Once
that technology really gets going then it will hopefully become available to
boaters. Sadly it will be expensive at first.

Bill

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Richard van den Berg wrote:

On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:22:15 GMT scbafreak via BoatKB.com
(u25927@uwe) wrote:

Nope, just no economical feedstock supply in sufficient quantity.
Everybody goes crazy over using french fry oil for diesel, but how
much used FF oil is there, anyway? Not enough to make even the
slightest dent in the diesel usage in the USA. Other sources simply
aren't economical now. Economics may play out in the long run, but for
now, it just ain't gonna work, unless of course the gummit mandates it
and (as usual) screws with the laws of economics. It's still a fad for
now.


Well there is another option. All of those farmers that get paid by the
government to not farm could grow appropriate plants and use them to create
biodeisel. That would be the Gov't interferring less with economics and a
source of a lot of fuel. I really don't know all of the in and outs of this
but it might be a viable means of producing fuel and resucing federal
spending/medling.


In Germany there has been a study if a farmer can be self supportive and
the answer is yes. Complete with a study on the effects that biodiesel
has on the machinery.
The conclusion the way I read it was that it is all economical possible
but not a Walhalla.

But hey we boaters are much better of with fuel cells that run on
hydrogen. Were floating on H2O.


Floating on H2O is not an issue. The issue s breaking the water into
hydrogen and oxygen, and dealing with the handling and the efficiency
issues.

There will likely (unless there is a great change in the way that we
currently deal with hydrogen) never be a "hydrogen economy" as the
energy and efficiency issues are not realistic at this time.

It's a nice dream, but reality eventually raises it's ugly head.

--
“TAANSTAFL”

__________________________________________________ __________________________
Something to think about, from a wise man now long dead….:

“In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes
here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he
shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an
outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or
birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming
in every facet an American, and nothing but an American.
“There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an
American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all.
“We have room for but one flag, the American flag. We have room for but
one language here, and that is the English language and we have room for
but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”
--Theodore Roosevelt...1907

__________________________________________________ __________________________

"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3
__________________________________________________ __________________________

I'm in San Antonio right now... turns out they're having a biodiesel
conference. He's an equipment supplier that sells stuff to make it on
a commercial level. Told me that they know it's only a fad, but hey...
they're going to make as much as they can while it is. He figures
it'll all be over in about 5 years.

Biodeisel has been around since the deisel engine was invented. In fact
deisel engines were originally run on vegeable oil in WWII by the Nazis who
invented it. It wasn't until later that is was run on the deisel fuel we use
now. I would say that doesn't really qualify as a fad. People have been
making it themselves ever since. Maybe the current surge of people buying
their stuff will be over in 5 years but people will always want a new way to
get fuel.

Bill

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