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Hello Everyone,

I've built a couple of inboard power boats over the years, but my last
running one is in the Lake Champlain area of Vermont, and starting
this August I will be living in Shekou, near Shenzhen and Hong Kong,
in China. I would like to communicate with anyone in this part of
China (South China sea)..

I am finishing up 3 years living on the Mediterranean, and kicking
myself mightily for not getting SOME kind of boat on the water!

Looking on Google Earth, I see a thousand or more fishing boats and
utility boats that I estimate are from 20 to 40 feet. I'm NOT talking
about those guys over at the Royal Hong Kong Yacht Club :-)

I need to start to learn about the existing boats in this area of
China. I am getting a few hits and photos but not much detail yet.

I have heard that some of the best high-end yachts have been built in
Hong Kong, and that there is a long tradition of seaworthy boats built
in China, from large 'Junks' to many smaller kinds.

I would appreciate any pointers or suggestions about information on
the typical boats today in China, and any contacts you might suggest.

Regards, Terry King ...On The Mediterranean in Carthage

Info on Chinese Boats (Hong Kong area)? I'll be moving there.
 

wrote:
Hello Everyone,

I've built a couple of inboard power boats over the years, but my last
running one is in the Lake Champlain area of Vermont, and starting
this August I will be living in Shekou, near Shenzhen and Hong Kong,
in China. I would like to communicate with anyone in this part of
China (South China sea)..

I am finishing up 3 years living on the Mediterranean, and kicking
myself mightily for not getting SOME kind of boat on the water!

Looking on Google Earth, I see a thousand or more fishing boats and
utility boats that I estimate are from 20 to 40 feet. I'm NOT talking
about those guys over at the Royal Hong Kong Yacht Club :-)

I need to start to learn about the existing boats in this area of
China. I am getting a few hits and photos but not much detail yet.

I have heard that some of the best high-end yachts have been built in
Hong Kong, and that there is a long tradition of seaworthy boats built
in China, from large 'Junks' to many smaller kinds.

I would appreciate any pointers or suggestions about information on
the typical boats today in China, and any contacts you might suggest.

Regards, Terry King ...On The Mediterranean in Carthage


Best wishes for your new adventures, Terry, from Frank Thoma of
Burlington IBM days!

Info on Chinese Boats (Hong Kong area)? I'll be moving there.
 

Terry,

I have lived in Asia for the past thirty years and while certainly
both work boats and yachts were built in Hong Kong in the past those
days are long gone. But boats are being built on the Chinese mainland
a short distance from Hong Kong. Try Googling for "Seahorse". you
should come up with a builder for trawler yachts who is located a
short distance up the river from Hong Kong. I have heard that the
owner (an American) is a nice chap and you could probably get more
information from him if you e-mailed him.

By the way, don't disparage the Royal Hong Kong Yacht Club. It isn't
as up-market as it sounds and a visit would probably get you a lot of
worthwhile information.

I haven't priced any Hong Kong based boats recently but I'd guess that
the purchase cost wold be lower then the US and there are many vendors
of boat parts in Hong Kong.

Cheers





On 22 Jan 2007 16:18:56 -0800, "
wrote:

Hello Everyone,

I've built a couple of inboard power boats over the years, but my last
running one is in the Lake Champlain area of Vermont, and starting
this August I will be living in Shekou, near Shenzhen and Hong Kong,
in China. I would like to communicate with anyone in this part of
China (South China sea)..

I am finishing up 3 years living on the Mediterranean, and kicking
myself mightily for not getting SOME kind of boat on the water!

Looking on Google Earth, I see a thousand or more fishing boats and
utility boats that I estimate are from 20 to 40 feet. I'm NOT talking
about those guys over at the Royal Hong Kong Yacht Club :-)

I need to start to learn about the existing boats in this area of
China. I am getting a few hits and photos but not much detail yet.

I have heard that some of the best high-end yachts have been built in
Hong Kong, and that there is a long tradition of seaworthy boats built
in China, from large 'Junks' to many smaller kinds.

I would appreciate any pointers or suggestions about information on
the typical boats today in China, and any contacts you might suggest.

Regards, Terry King ...On The Mediterranean in Carthage


Ibid
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Thanks for the replies! Frank, glad to hear from you! (See some of
our recent rambles at http://terryking.us and
http://terryking.us/photoalbum)

k4556 wrote:
Terry,

I have lived in Asia for the past thirty years and while certainly
both work boats and yachts were built in Hong Kong in the past those
days are long gone ...
Great information.. I've learned more on the groups than with a lot of
Googling... I didn't mean to be too much down the nose at the RHK
club. I just had read an article about all the new Chinese Billionaires
and how they can't get dock space in HK for their new 90 footers...

I'll look for the references you made..

Are there boat 'yards' / builders up the Pearl river a way too?

Thanks!

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On 23 Jan 2007 01:31:09 -0800, "
wrote:

Thanks for the replies! Frank, glad to hear from you! (See some of
our recent rambles at http://terryking.us and
http://terryking.us/photoalbum)

k4556 wrote:
Terry,

I have lived in Asia for the past thirty years and while certainly
both work boats and yachts were built in Hong Kong in the past those
days are long gone ...
Great information.. I've learned more on the groups than with a lot of
Googling... I didn't mean to be too much down the nose at the RHK
club. I just had read an article about all the new Chinese Billionaires
and how they can't get dock space in HK for their new 90 footers...

I'll look for the references you made..

Are there boat 'yards' / builders up the Pearl river a way too?

Thanks!

Terry,

I believe that "Seahorse", who builds both in fiberglass and steel,
yards are on the Pearl River a short ferry trip from Hong Kong.

While there probably are Chinese Billionaires at the RHKYC there are
also a lot of ordinary folks there too and probably worth a visit.


Ibid
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On Jan 23, 8:12 pm, k4556 wrote:
On 23 Jan 2007 01:31:09 -0800, "

wrote:
Thanks for the replies! Frank, glad to hear from you! (See some of
our recent rambles athttp://terryking.usand
http://terryking.us/photoalbum)

k4556 wrote:
Terry,

I have lived in Asia for the past thirty years and while certainly
both work boats and yachts were built in Hong Kong in the past those
days are long gone ...
Great information.. I've learned more on the groups than with a lot of
Googling... I didn't mean to be too much down the nose at the RHK
club. I just had read an article about all the new Chinese Billionaires
and how they can't get dock space in HK for their new 90 footers...

I'll look for the references you made..

Are there boat 'yards' / builders up the Pearl river a way too?

Thanks!Terry,

I believe that "Seahorse", who builds both in fiberglass and steel,
yards are on the Pearl River a short ferry trip from Hong Kong.

While there probably are Chinese Billionaires at the RHKYC there are
also a lot of ordinary folks there too and probably worth a visit.

Ibid
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Ordinary folks in Hong Kong don't own a car, and even less likely to
own a boat.

Although people in Hong Kong tend to earn a good income, they spend
most of the money in housing and don't have much disposable income left
-- meaning: no boating.

Jay Chan

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On 24 Jan 2007 10:13:44 -0800, "Jay Chan"
wrote:

On Jan 23, 8:12 pm, k4556 wrote:
On 23 Jan 2007 01:31:09 -0800, "

wrote:
Thanks for the replies! Frank, glad to hear from you! (See some of
our recent rambles athttp://terryking.usand
http://terryking.us/photoalbum)

k4556 wrote:
Terry,

I have lived in Asia for the past thirty years and while certainly
both work boats and yachts were built in Hong Kong in the past those
days are long gone ...
Great information.. I've learned more on the groups than with a lot of
Googling... I didn't mean to be too much down the nose at the RHK
club. I just had read an article about all the new Chinese Billionaires
and how they can't get dock space in HK for their new 90 footers...

I'll look for the references you made..

Are there boat 'yards' / builders up the Pearl river a way too?

Thanks!Terry,

I believe that "Seahorse", who builds both in fiberglass and steel,
yards are on the Pearl River a short ferry trip from Hong Kong.

While there probably are Chinese Billionaires at the RHKYC there are
also a lot of ordinary folks there too and probably worth a visit.

Ibid
(k4556ATinetDOTcoDOTth)

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Ordinary folks in Hong Kong don't own a car, and even less likely to
own a boat.

Although people in Hong Kong tend to earn a good income, they spend
most of the money in housing and don't have much disposable income left
-- meaning: no boating.

Jay Chan


I don't want to get into some sort of a flame war here but there are
probably more boats per capita in Hong Kong then anywhere I've
visited. Visit any of the junk anchorages around the island, the
Typhoon Shelter, etc..

While these are hardly "yachts" they are boats and there is an entire
infrastructure to support them.




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On Jan 24, 7:22 pm, k4556 wrote:
On 24 Jan 2007 10:13:44 -0800, "Jay Chan"
wrote:

On Jan 23, 8:12 pm, k4556 wrote:
On 23 Jan 2007 01:31:09 -0800, "

wrote:
Thanks for the replies! Frank, glad to hear from you! (See some of
our recent rambles athttp://terryking.usand
http://terryking.us/photoalbum)

k4556 wrote:
Terry,

I have lived in Asia for the past thirty years and while certainly
both work boats and yachts were built in Hong Kong in the past those
days are long gone ...
Great information.. I've learned more on the groups than with a lot of
Googling... I didn't mean to be too much down the nose at the RHK
club. I just had read an article about all the new Chinese Billionaires
and how they can't get dock space in HK for their new 90 footers...

I'll look for the references you made..

Are there boat 'yards' / builders up the Pearl river a way too?

Thanks!Terry,

I believe that "Seahorse", who builds both in fiberglass and steel,
yards are on the Pearl River a short ferry trip from Hong Kong.

While there probably are Chinese Billionaires at the RHKYC there are
also a lot of ordinary folks there too and probably worth a visit.

Ibid
(k4556ATinetDOTcoDOTth)

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Ordinary folks in Hong Kong don't own a car, and even less likely to
own a boat.

Although people in Hong Kong tend to earn a good income, they spend
most of the money in housing and don't have much disposable income left
-- meaning: no boating.

Jay Chan

I don't want to get into some sort of a flame war here but there are
probably more boats per capita in Hong Kong then anywhere I've
visited. Visit any of the junk anchorages around the island, the
Typhoon Shelter, etc..

While these are hardly "yachts" they are boats and there is an entire
infrastructure to support them.

Ibid
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No flame war from me either. I am just trying to let the OP knows what
class of people he may deal with if he join a boat club in Hong Kong.
This is like judging the whole US based on the impression of visiting
New York City -- not a correct impression.

There are quite a number of boat people in Hong Kong. But they are
probably not doing this totally by choice. In the old time, they used
to be forced to stay on the boat because of various reasons (lack of
farm land, economic, discrimination, ...etc). Now, no one pushed them
away by force. Nevertheless, they tend to be poor. And with land
price sky high and they are poor, they are forced to stay on the boats.
Theirs are definitely not considered as recreational boating, and are
not the kind of people you may meet in the boating club.

Yes, you will see a lot of boats parked in typhoon shelters from
satellite pictures. But when you look at them from the ground level,
you will see that they are not the kind of boats that you have in mind.
They are pretty much the live-on-board boats for poor boat people.
They are the products of extremely expensive land in Hong Kong.

On the other hand, people in US tend to have a higher income, more
disposable income, and the "relatively" high currency exchange rate.
This makes boating a sport that is open to a lot of people. Even
middle class American can afford boating, and this is a good thing.

In other words, you probably meet a lot of ordinary people in boating
club in US. But the same thing cannot be said about the people in
boating club in Hong Kong.

Jay Chan

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On Jan 25, 6:53 pm, "Jay Chan" wrote:
....
Yes, you will see a lot of boats parked in typhoon shelters from
satellite pictures. But when you look at them from the ground level,
you will see that they are not the kind of boats that you have in mind.
They are pretty much the live-on-board boats for poor boat people.
Jay Chan

Jay, thank you very much for the perspective.. this is what I was
hoping for when I started this thread.. what are the majority of boats
like in China? I want to get access to / buy a boat when I get to
Shenzhen/Shekou. I do not want a typical Western cruiser or runabout
type boat. Been there, built that.. I can't afford (don't want) a
Luxury-Tricked-Out Air-Conditioned 50 foot "Junk" for $200,000 . I need
to understand what the 'indigenous' boats are like: their construction,
materials, lifespan, repairability, propulsion variants etc etc. I
want a low-cost boat that needs work, because I need to work on boats!
A re-engine job on a fishing type boat with a decent hull would be
great.. I like engine work, and have some ideas for adaptations. I
want to end up with a boat that is comfortable for some overnights with
2 - 4 people, seaworthy for short weather-aware cruises, still 'looks
like it's peers on the outside', and has some of my favorite
electronics toys inside.

Is this a achievable fantasy?? :-)

Any information, pointers, comments welcome!

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On Jan 26, 4:52 am, " wrote:
On Jan 25, 6:53 pm, "Jay Chan" wrote:
...

Yes, you will see a lot of boats parked in typhoon shelters from
satellite pictures. But when you look at them from the ground level,
you will see that they are not the kind of boats that you have in mind.
They are pretty much the live-on-board boats for poor boat people.
Jay ChanJay, thank you very much for the perspective.. this is what I was
hoping for when I started this thread.. what are the majority of boats
like in China? I want to get access to / buy a boat when I get to
Shenzhen/Shekou. I do not want a typical Western cruiser or runabout
type boat. Been there, built that.. I can't afford (don't want) a
Luxury-Tricked-Out Air-Conditioned 50 foot "Junk" for $200,000 . I need
to understand what the 'indigenous' boats are like: their construction,
materials, lifespan, repairability, propulsion variants etc etc. I
want a low-cost boat that needs work, because I need to work on boats!
A re-engine job on a fishing type boat with a decent hull would be
great.. I like engine work, and have some ideas for adaptations. I
want to end up with a boat that is comfortable for some overnights with
2 - 4 people, seaworthy for short weather-aware cruises, still 'looks
like it's peers on the outside', and has some of my favorite
electronics toys inside.

Is this a achievable fantasy?? :-)

Any information, pointers, comments welcome!

Unfortunately, I don't know much about boating in Hong Kong and the
surrounding area. Remember that most ordinary people in Hong Kong have
little experience in boating (except for row boats), and I was one of
them.

Based on my experience in seeing boats in Hong Kong, most boats are
wooden boats called "junks" with high bow and high stern with a lower
mid- section. Each has a sail and a small engine to propel the boat at
displacement speed. The propeller shaft is probably through the hull,
and it is being steered using a rudder. It is not painted, instead the
wood have some transparent finish on it -- not sure what that is. I
don't recall seeing any outboard motor; but I was not looking. They
may have used old car engine as the power plant. The boat has an open
top, and it has a canvas to cover most of the deck (except for the
bow), the canvas can be folded up. The boat tends to be fat and wide
for carrying cargo in a short distance from cargo ship to the loading
dock.

The boats from mainland China tend to be longer and slimmer than the
local boats in Hong Kong. This might have to do with the fact that
they need to carry cargo for a longer distance from mainland China to
Hong Kong. The boats are wooden boats and are painted in standard grey
and may painted with some slogans on the hull (during Cultural
Revolution). The boat has wooden structure to cover the deck.

Not sure about fishing boats. I know they were there somewhere based
on the daily fresh sea food available in the market. But I surely
cannot recall seeing them.

Fiberglass boats are not common.

This is based on what I saw in Hong Kong 20+ years ago. But I doubt
that anything has changed because the underlying factors remain
unchanged.

Please don't think of docking and living on your boat in a typhoon
shelter inside the city. The water in the typhoon shelter doesn't
smell that great. You definitely need to find some place outside the
city.

Jay Chan

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My experience, traveling to China, Hong Kong, and/or Korea each summer
for the last 12 years, is that recreational boats are a very rare site.
Most years I don't see any. I was fortunate this past Summer to be
just a few miles away from the venue for the Beijing Summer Olympics,
and was delighted to be at a hotel that had numerous sailboats
available for rental at the beach across the way, but this is a big
exception. (and I was impressed the locals are very skilled at getting
them moving amazingly fast in the prevailing light air)

In regards to Hong Kong, the extreme traffic (fishing boats), cramped
marina's (boats rafted 20 deep), and polution in the waters around Hong
Kong would seem to discourage recreational boats except for the
extremely determined, especially sailboats sans auxillarys (unless you
enjoy tacking 30 times per hour).

Not familiar with that Yacht club you mentioned, maybe you should
really check it out first rather than later.

Dan

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I spent a number of years in the orient and while there, investigated many
boat builders from Thailand to Korea. Although my experience today is dated,
I believe the following observation is just as valid today as it was then.

The advantage in asia is only labor with some price differences in wood, but
nowhere as much as you would think. Please remember that the cost of the
hull is, at the very most, representative of about 25% of the total cost of
the boat. The majority of the boat cost is the fit out and the associated
machinery. Very little is made there and must be imported from Europe and
Australia. In addition, the biggest issue is the quality of the work
performed and the materials used. Futhermore, it is almost impossible to
find properly seasoned timber, unless you do it yourself. In my mind, it
makes no sense to buy a boat that you cannot afford to maintain because the
boat is falling apart while you watch. There is no such thing as a free
lunch. If building there was so much of an advantage, you would see a lot
more asian boats than you do.
Steve


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Hello Everyone,

I've built a couple of inboard power boats over the years, but my last
running one is in the Lake Champlain area of Vermont, and starting
this August I will be living in Shekou, near Shenzhen and Hong Kong,
in China. I would like to communicate with anyone in this part of
China (South China sea)..

I am finishing up 3 years living on the Mediterranean, and kicking
myself mightily for not getting SOME kind of boat on the water!

Looking on Google Earth, I see a thousand or more fishing boats and
utility boats that I estimate are from 20 to 40 feet. I'm NOT talking
about those guys over at the Royal Hong Kong Yacht Club :-)

I need to start to learn about the existing boats in this area of
China. I am getting a few hits and photos but not much detail yet.

I have heard that some of the best high-end yachts have been built in
Hong Kong, and that there is a long tradition of seaworthy boats built
in China, from large 'Junks' to many smaller kinds.

I would appreciate any pointers or suggestions about information on
the typical boats today in China, and any contacts you might suggest.

Regards, Terry King ...On The Mediterranean in Carthage

Info on Chinese Boats (Hong Kong area)? I'll be moving there.
 

Jay, Dan, Steve, others... Thanks for the comments and new
information!

I'm sure you're right that there's nothing magical about building
boats in China. But you probably know about the "Gotta Do Something
With Boats! syndrome!

I'm kicking myself blue for spending almost 3 years (by next May)
right on the Mediterranean near the 2000 year old ports built by the
Carthaginians and Romans and NOT getting a boat out there!

I AM getting SOME boat on the water when I move to Shekou/Shenzhen
near Hong Kong next August!

If I was going to live there 'permanently' (Whatever THAT is in the
year 2007 !) I would build a boat from scratch, using 'modern'
materials and an engine conversion. But that would take 1 to 1.5
years, depending on (Stuff).. The last boat I built (21' Cuddy Cabin,
350 GM, VeeDrive) is still running after 28 years, so I understand
about maintaining a boat. But this time, maybe I'm going in a TOTALLY
different direction.

- Really rough-built larger (30 to 50 feet) fishing boat, all wood,
indigenous materials and construction, probably going to deteriorate
badly in 5 to 10 years. Add a decent different cabin setup.
- Re-Engine in a less-than-ideal homebrew fashion.
- Add my favorite homebrew electronics (Low-end Garmin, Laptop or
MicroATX, OziExplorer, LCD display). I already have a detailed
Satellite view of Shenzhen / Deep Bay calibrated.
- Fill the picnic cooler. Run it.
- 3 Years or so later, move back to Vermont, fix my old boat in my new
Barn, maybe build a new one I have been designing for a while..

Ok, maybe that's a LITTLE simplistic. But you know what? There are
5000 boats running in that area, and I don't see any that look like
what I see in the USA. I think there only two ways to go: One is try
to afford a Westernized type boat, maybe rebuild a wreck or something,
and the other is to go all the way to the local rough boats. I don't
see anything workable in between. And I AM working on boats and
getting on the water.

So, what's stupid about this??

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On 29 Jan 2007 01:13:34 -0800, "
wrote:

Jay, Dan, Steve, others... Thanks for the comments and new
information!

I'm sure you're right that there's nothing magical about building
boats in China. But you probably know about the "Gotta Do Something
With Boats! syndrome!



Much snipped

Ok, maybe that's a LITTLE simplistic. But you know what? There are
5000 boats running in that area, and I don't see any that look like
what I see in the USA. I think there only two ways to go: One is try
to afford a Westernized type boat, maybe rebuild a wreck or something,
and the other is to go all the way to the local rough boats. I don't
see anything workable in between. And I AM working on boats and
getting on the water.

So, what's stupid about this??


Nothing wrong with your ideas and what you are talking about has been
done in Hong Kong for years.

There are a substantial number of junks that were converted, to a more
or lesser degree from fishing boats. Two I looked at in Singapore a
few months ago, that had been shipped from Hong Kong -- all teak -
probably 10 - 15 years old. One powered by a Gardner 6 cylinder marine
engine and the other by a converted truck engine. These boats were
about 50 ft. long and were being used as day charter boats and had a
single covered cabin the length of the boat.

My point is that there are innumerable junks, sampans and other local
boats that you can buy fairly cheaply.

The alternate is to have something built .

I have no idea what type of work you will be doing in China but my
experience is that expatriate salaries are high enough that you can
afford to have a reasonable size boat built. Labor costs are CHEAP in
that part of the world.

Normally, the majority of a boat's costs is in the fitting out and if
you stick to Chinese made gear -- engine, transmission, sails, etc.,
you should have a pretty cheap boat. I can't quote prices in China but
as an example I just had the interior of a 40 ft. sloop refurbished in
Thailand including replacing some delaminated plywood in the galley
area, inumerable screw holes plugged and the entire interior scrapped
to bare wood and re-varnished and my cost in thailand was about US$
514. Labor in China would be cheaper.

In other words, "go for it!"




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But this time, maybe I'm going in a TOTALLY
different direction.

- Really rough-built larger (30 to 50 feet) fishing boat, all wood,
indigenous materials and construction, probably going to deteriorate
badly in 5 to 10 years. Add a decent different cabin setup.
- Re-Engine in a less-than-ideal homebrew fashion.
For a look at actual boat building / repairing in China using the
'old' methods, see: http://www.terryking.us/photoalbum/main.php?
g2_itemId=2605
Which are photos someone kindly sent me from a year or so ago...

Love that two-man sawmill :-)

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Try Again: see:
http://www.terryking.us/photoalbum/m...g2_itemId=2605

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Sigh. Try this:
http://www.terryking.us/photoalbum/m...g2_itemId=2605

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Terry,

The idea is great, just remember that you are going to be dealing with the
Chinese govt. and going back and forth on the water between hong kong and
mainland, even Shenzhen will be interesting and may involve a few questions.
Otherwise, what the hell, have fun.

Brian

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Thanks! Knnnn and Brian...

This is invaluable information for someone who's never been within
10,000 miles of China, but who's going there...

Fortunately the "Fitting Out" part is my strong point, engines,
welding, electronics and like that. I'm retired, with USA SS and a
smaller pension from a shorter second career at IBM. I have a couple-
few $K saved up (And I'm motivated to try to save some more / make
some more between now and August. Never been a good money guy :-) I
will have a few hundred$ a month available while I'm there. So I'll
work something.

And TEAK.. It seems there's a big break in longevity based on
materials used in China. I get the impression that those really rough
boats seen in some of the photos I posted (Thanks to you-know-who)..
are made of (some species) that is cheap and only lasts a few years.
Anyone able to illuminate more on that subject??

Uh-Oh, now I have a Chinese Teapot full of questions brewing! I
probably should take some of them to new threads. Like:

- Cheap conversions of Nissan automotive diesels / Drive systems
- Welding / Brazing copper to build exhaust manifolds
- Homebrew heat exchangers

- Modern caulking materials for old boats

- Building a new cabin into an old boat, with construction / sealing /
ventilation so it doesn't always smell like the bilge.

- Computer Hardware / Interfaces / WiFi / OS / Software / Display for
homebrew shipboard system.

Anyone interested in these???

(I'll add a photo of my Vermont boat to the Chinese ones I pointed to
above...)