[Edoardo]

Hi,

I am searching for some good source of information about installing a
satellite internet connection on sailing boats.
What's the best solution?
Is there a website/forum/group that is specifically talking about this?

Thanks a lot for your help
Eddy

[You]

In article . com,
"Edoardo" wrote:

Hi,

I am searching for some good source of information about installing a
satellite internet connection on sailing boats.
What's the best solution?
Is there a website/forum/group that is specifically talking about this?

Thanks a lot for your help
Eddy


All it takes is MONEY, and lots of it, for either expensive hardware, or
expensive SAT Time, or BOTH......

[Edoardo]

You wrote:
In article . com,
"Edoardo" wrote:

Hi,

I am searching for some good source of information about installing a
satellite internet connection on sailing boats.
What's the best solution?
Is there a website/forum/group that is specifically talking about this?

Thanks a lot for your help
Eddy


All it takes is MONEY, and lots of it, for either expensive hardware, or
expensive SAT Time, or BOTH......

This was the same kind of answer one would get 10 years ago asking for
a flat panel 19" display or for a car navigation system.
things that you can buy now for less than 500euro (maybe because
somebody started talking about?)
I am sorry for being polemic but I can't get an answer other than the
"wow, what you want to do it's really expensive!" one.
The reason I am asking this is because I really like sailing and at the
same time I would like to help a friend of mine that asked this - maybe
just as curiosity - or maybe just to know how it works.
Internet satellite systems are getting widely used for cars, caravans
and TV vans for example; I guess the most complicated thing to make
them work on a boat would be for the boat movements (tilting, etc) but
I can't find any good source of information about.
thanks anyway..

[Capt.Mooron]

Don't listen to the ignorance and nay saying regarding internet service
while at sea. Several providers have sail mail. Many marinas offer high
speed internet on a global basis.
Research what you need. Keep in mind the baud rate drop is substantial when
at sea. VHF sail mail will keep you in touch with a laptop. stick to text
messages and it will allow downloads of weather data.

CM

I don't usually condone x-posting... but this is a sailing related thread
"Edoardo" wrote in message
oups.com...
You wrote:
In article . com,
"Edoardo" wrote:

Hi,

I am searching for some good source of information about installing a
satellite internet connection on sailing boats.
What's the best solution?
Is there a website/forum/group that is specifically talking about this?

Thanks a lot for your help
Eddy


All it takes is MONEY, and lots of it, for either expensive hardware, or
expensive SAT Time, or BOTH......

This was the same kind of answer one would get 10 years ago asking for
a flat panel 19" display or for a car navigation system.
things that you can buy now for less than 500euro (maybe because
somebody started talking about?)
I am sorry for being polemic but I can't get an answer other than the
"wow, what you want to do it's really expensive!" one.
The reason I am asking this is because I really like sailing and at the
same time I would like to help a friend of mine that asked this - maybe
just as curiosity - or maybe just to know how it works.
Internet satellite systems are getting widely used for cars, caravans
and TV vans for example; I guess the most complicated thing to make
them work on a boat would be for the boat movements (tilting, etc) but
I can't find any good source of information about.
thanks anyway..

[Bob Crantz]

Get an amateur radio license. Satellite service is free. Equipment is
inexpensive.

Glory!

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:iUgrg.99342$I61.73210@clgrps13...
Don't listen to the ignorance and nay saying regarding internet service
while at sea. Several providers have sail mail. Many marinas offer high
speed internet on a global basis.
Research what you need. Keep in mind the baud rate drop is substantial
when at sea. VHF sail mail will keep you in touch with a laptop. stick to
text messages and it will allow downloads of weather data.

CM

I don't usually condone x-posting... but this is a sailing related thread
"Edoardo" wrote in message
oups.com...
You wrote:
In article . com,
"Edoardo" wrote:

Hi,

I am searching for some good source of information about installing a
satellite internet connection on sailing boats.
What's the best solution?
Is there a website/forum/group that is specifically talking about
this?

Thanks a lot for your help
Eddy


All it takes is MONEY, and lots of it, for either expensive hardware, or
expensive SAT Time, or BOTH......

This was the same kind of answer one would get 10 years ago asking for
a flat panel 19" display or for a car navigation system.
things that you can buy now for less than 500euro (maybe because
somebody started talking about?)
I am sorry for being polemic but I can't get an answer other than the
"wow, what you want to do it's really expensive!" one.
The reason I am asking this is because I really like sailing and at the
same time I would like to help a friend of mine that asked this - maybe
just as curiosity - or maybe just to know how it works.
Internet satellite systems are getting widely used for cars, caravans
and TV vans for example; I guess the most complicated thing to make
them work on a boat would be for the boat movements (tilting, etc) but
I can't find any good source of information about.
thanks anyway..

[dog]

Unfortunately you tend to get a lot of Morons who can't spell.
Sailmail is via SSB not VHF. VHF doesn't have any appreciable range,
once you're at sea.

You can get full Internet access via a satellite phone system, but if
you're on a small sailboat, you will be using an awful lot of power to
get it. Full internet access at sea requires you to use a stabilized
satellite antenna. Not only is the equipment power hungry, but it is
also quite expensive, as is the air time. Unlike a terrrestrial
broadband connection, most of the satellite-based ones charge by the
bandwidth used, not a flat monthly fee.

If all you need is decent access when near shore, then it might be
worth looking into an EDGE or GSM-based solution. While not as fast as
satellite, it is considerably cheaper. However, you would probably have
to get a new sim card and account for each country you use it in. Some
countries have a flat-rate plan, some do not. Really it depends on the
particular country and what providers are there.

On 2006-07-06 19:19:42 -0400, "Capt.Mooron" said:

Don't listen to the ignorance and nay saying regarding internet
service while at sea. Several providers have sail mail. Many marinas
offer high speed internet on a global basis.
Research what you need. Keep in mind the baud rate drop is substantial
when at sea. VHF sail mail will keep you in touch with a laptop. stick
to text messages and it will allow downloads of weather data.

CM

[Dave Doe]

In article 2006070700125616807-dog@nomailcom, says...
Unfortunately you tend to get a lot of Morons who can't spell.
Sailmail is via SSB not VHF. VHF doesn't have any appreciable range,
once you're at sea.

You can get full Internet access via a satellite phone system, but if
you're on a small sailboat, you will be using an awful lot of power to
get it. Full internet access at sea requires you to use a stabilized
satellite antenna. Not only is the equipment power hungry, but it is
also quite expensive, as is the air time. Unlike a terrrestrial
broadband connection, most of the satellite-based ones charge by the
bandwidth used, not a flat monthly fee.

What sorta of speed is available?

--
Duncan

[Bruce in Alaska]

In article .com,
"Edoardo" wrote:

You wrote:
In article . com,
"Edoardo" wrote:

Hi,

I am searching for some good source of information about installing a
satellite internet connection on sailing boats.
What's the best solution?
Is there a website/forum/group that is specifically talking about this?

Thanks a lot for your help
Eddy


All it takes is MONEY, and lots of it, for either expensive hardware, or
expensive SAT Time, or BOTH......

This was the same kind of answer one would get 10 years ago asking for
a flat panel 19" display or for a car navigation system.
things that you can buy now for less than 500euro (maybe because
somebody started talking about?)
I am sorry for being polemic but I can't get an answer other than the
"wow, what you want to do it's really expensive!" one.
The reason I am asking this is because I really like sailing and at the
same time I would like to help a friend of mine that asked this - maybe
just as curiosity - or maybe just to know how it works.
Internet satellite systems are getting widely used for cars, caravans
and TV vans for example; I guess the most complicated thing to make
them work on a boat would be for the boat movements (tilting, etc) but
I can't find any good source of information about.
thanks anyway..


There are piles of SAT systems for cars, caravans, and TV Vans, but the
first two are not passing IP Traffic in the bidirectional mode at any
speed of consequence. SAT Tv Vans have all the hardware to pass just
about any type of traffic, BUT they don't do it while moving, only at
fixed locations, and all that gear is expensive, HEAVY, and Power-hungry.
You can't find the information you require, because you are looking at
trying to do it on the cheap, and Gyro-Stabilized Ka or Ku Band Antennas
are anything but cheap. They also require Directional Heading Inputs
from an external Gyro System, or Enertial Nav system, which is another
expense, which is why these are usually only fitted on Military, or
Large Ships that already have a platform, and required auxillary Input
Systems, fitted.
DBS TvSAT Receive/Only Systems are in the 3-5Kbuck range when fitted with
Gyro-Stabilized Antennas, and getting an Uplink going means that your
antenna tracking accuracy has to be increased by at least an order of
magnitude. Otherwise you would be interfering with numerous other users,
on multiple SAT's because your antenna can't track a point in the sky
at less than 300 ArcSeconds.

Bruce in alaska an old SAT/Comm's guy from way back......
--
add a 2 before @

[Skip Gundlach]

Hi, Eduardo,

Edoardo wrote:
Hi,

I am searching for some good source of information about installing a
satellite internet connection on sailing boats.
What's the best solution?
Is there a website/forum/group that is specifically talking about this?

Thanks a lot for your help
Eddy

I don't want to rain on your parade. However, you asked about
satellite, as compared to other means of internet.

If you want full browsing and other like-at-home capabiliities, it's
certainly within the range of today's technology. Just ask the major
merchant marine folks, who have that aboard.

But it comes at a cost. *Lots* of whatever coinage you choose will
accomplish the job.

Just like the (American - don't know where you are) saying: Fast,
Cheap, Good. Choose two. In the case of marine internet, it's pretty
much the same. Want it good, and fast (not the equivalent of 20 years
ago's dial-up), it's not cheap. Want it fast and cheap? Go ashore to
internet cafés (no hardware investment). Good and cheap? Still
working on it, but in relative terms, SSB "modems" can get you email
and if you're a Ham, somewhat larger files, but still not browsing.

I'm currently working on, and am whittling away at problems
encountered, being able to access wifi from out in the harbor, without
having to be tied to an antenna - but there will still have to be some
gear up the mast, if I'm successful. However, that's only going to
work in range of some AP, most likely some household with an open
router, or a commercial pay site.

And then there's the satellite phones connected like a modem/dialer.
Now you're up to perhaps 15 years ago's speeds, but you can do whatever
you want with your minutes, and endure the time it takes to load a
page.

About a grand to get in for the SSB/Ham, minimum, plus the radio (many
flavors and costs) but minimal costs (free HAM and 250/year SSB), and
about the same for the satphone (but with minute costs plus whatever
plan you're on - and flaky coverage depending on where you are an whose
service/phone you have).

So, the other responses aren't being flip. If you want good solid
satellite internet coverage, it's major dinero, euro, bux, or your
favorite. The others are less costly and less effective.

L8R

Skip, working on the boat, one of which projects includes harborage and
anchorage wifi

[Goofball_star_dot_etal]

I'm currently working on, and am whittling away at problems
encountered, being able to access wifi from out in the harbor, without
having to be tied to an antenna - but there will still have to be some
gear up the mast, if I'm successful. However, that's only going to
work in range of some AP, most likely some household with an open
router, or a commercial pay site.


I have had success with a wl-330 as a repeater
http://uk.asus.com/products2.aspx?l1=12&l2=41
The wl-330 does not seem to be available here now in the UK ( I think
I had the last three!) The wl-330g is availble but it is not clear to
me that this model does wds. You probably need to use the ethernet
cable anyhow, if you are not repeating (wds) from an Asus device.