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Some here may recall my intent to get a Porta-Bote, and make it
possible to use sculling oars instead of the typical dinghy sticks... It arrived on time, in good shape. Today I opened the box. Well, the opening and assembly was entirely without moment. Other than looking for an "R" in the cupholder for the rear seat as specified in the instructions (evidently meant for bigger botes), everything went in/on with no excitment. Probably didn't take me 10 minutes, even with the oops on the seat identity. As I'd not had one in my sights, I was unaware of the oarlock receiver being a square tube with a nylon insert, angled in to miss the coaming. I'm going to have to ponder that for a bit, about the sculling conversion, as I'd envisioned a casting of a tube on a plate. The blind access to the inside of the square tube (not at all impossible, just different than I'd anticipated) will have me scratching my head a bit about how I want to proceed for sculling conversion. I expect the force I'd put on the receiver would wear out the nylon in short order, so perhaps not using that assembly at all would be advised. Though the bolt itself wouldn't turn in a sculling oarlock, the 1.5" or so top-to-bottom length would take a lot of torque, and squish the nylon out in short order, I believe. Of course, as before, I'd expected to have to use a larger, longer plate to distribute the torque over a longer range (such as maybe 4-6" fore-aft - the height is of no moment). What I need is a 1/2" ID tube immobile to a plate. It could be SS or aluminum (all of it). Short of a custom weld-up, anyone got any ideas on how to do that? An aha moment! I need an aluminum or SS angle. Rereading the above, I recalled how the Little River shells I used to deliver mounted theirs. Their pivots are SS carriage bolts, with a wobble plate (flat on top with 4 screws controlling the angle it sits) securing the round head in a dished rigger, allowing infinite rotational (seen from the top of the oarlock) adjustment to about 8 degrees all around. For my purposes, that's unnecessary. The oarlock has adjustment washers allowing one to set the height; those will allow me to clear the coaming. I'll just bolt that sucker on to the 1/2" hole I made in the angle. I'll make it easy (put a wrench in the bote bag?) to remove so I can collapse the bote, as it would stick up into the bottom crease if left on. Off I go to the scrapyard! Stay tuned to this channel for developments and pictures. Meanwhile, without having received any notice of shipping, the shipper called me on the appointed day for arrival, and it arrived with no damage other than a slight surface rip on the plastic bag. As it is, since I have the pearl, likely scratches won't show, anyway. 10 out of 10 for Porta-Bote customer service from this quarter! L8R Skip Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain |
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Hi Skip;
I skimmed over your previous post. I appologize if I missed this part. Why do you want to scull your boat instead of using two oars a oaring? Bob |
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"OK, Skip, usually you're a model of clarity, but I am getting a little
confused by how you actually want to mod out a PortaBote. Do you want to retrofit angled supports to a PortaBote, or just put in beefier oarlocks and (reaching for faulty memory...) "thole pins" in order to have longer, more mechanically efficient oars? Hoping I'm not adding to the confuzzlement... R" Hi, Rhys, and group(s), My apologies for the crummy quoting - and I don't know how this threads, either, as I'm on the boat and thus not able to use my news/email client. Your characterizations of rowing/sculling are correct, except that when one person is rowing, their oars are "sculls" and are ~10' long. I used to row one of those 12" wide, 4" freeboard things with the oars I'm going to use. When multiples of 2 are rowing with single oars, each, those are sweeps, and are ~12' long, with correspondingly larger blade area. I also apologize for the lack of clarity. Most, I think, of that, comes from those who aren't familiar with the PortaBote (and secondarily, of course, with sliding seat competitive rowing, done by many more than English University students, but still a niche sport - Hi, DB! Congrats to your son!). I'd originally envisioned an oarlock receiver similar to what I've seen on aluminum pointy-bow boats - a cast plate with a lump in it which is the hole down which you stick the pin. Not the case in the PB, so I had to figure out something else to mount: A standard rowing-team oarlock, which sits on a pin at the back of it (well, actually forward, but as you look at it sitting there) is what I needed to have to use my oars. Those have opening bails at the top, and the place you put the oar is basically rectangular, to facilitate feathering, and properly orienting on stroke, the three-sides-flat shaft (done by a plastic sleeve, with an adjustable collar to control length). Feathered, at rest on the water, the three flat sides of the sleeve sit in this rectangular thing - |_| - sort of, with something hinged at the pin side at the top which you unscrew to lift away to install or remove the oar, and the space is just enough to allow the oar to turn without binding. Thole pins, characterized above, are typically found on older wooden (or replica) rowboats, made of wood, like the diagram and open at the top. Put the oar in there, and have at it; ship them by just flipping them out when you land. So, I wanted to make the bote capable of using these (oarlocks, not thole pins), so I could use the longer sculls (what a two-to-a-rower oars are called, thus some potential confusion vs a gondolier's much longer sweep for sculling). Sitting in the boat, I also noted that - based on where the factory pivot is - it's made for much shorter and shorter-armed folks, which, happily, will allow me to put my .25x1.5x6 angle aluminum mount just aft of the originals, leaving the originals in place. Looking at them after I had them cut makes me nervous that I don't have long enough leverage to avoid deforming (causing my mounting rivets or bolts, whichever I end up with) the holes I'll have to drill in the plastic to attach them. However, if it turns out I do, it's a simple matter to get another chunk cut longer and do it again. I'm catching grief from home that this isn't getting our (bigger) boat in the water, despite my desire to use this for my heart exercise, so the rest of it will have to wait until a later time. However, when it's done, there will be pictures in the gallery and a report on how it did. Changing back and forth to factory oars will also be easy as I'll have left the original installed. If it turns out I'm not able to achieve a marked improvement, I'll uninstall it, as carrying the sculls and having to take out the oarlocks (not a big process, but not as simple as just getting in the boat, either, as is the factory case), necessitated if I want to be able to fold it up for passage, is not worth it if that advantage isn't realized. I hope this added the clarity missing :{)) Current boat project has me trying to make a clear path for water from bow to under-engine pan bilge, complicated by position of tanks right behind the bulkhead I'd have to drill through. MANY other projects, too; chronicles in the gallery... L8R Skip Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain |
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