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For my first project i am going to build the 'six hour canoe' from the book.

Anyone have any experience or know of related websites?

Thanks!

Building the Six Hour Canoe
 

Keep in mind that 6 hours may be 6 hours of "touch time". The waiting
for glue to dry may not be included. Or at least that's what I heard
from someone who built one before.

Let us know how it turns out

Matt
JEM Watercraft
www.jem.e-boat.net

notta chance wrote:

For my first project i am going to build the 'six hour canoe' from the book.

Anyone have any experience or know of related websites?

Thanks!

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Matt Langenfeld ) writes:
Keep in mind that 6 hours may be 6 hours of "touch time". The waiting
for glue to dry may not be included. Or at least that's what I heard
from someone who built one before.

a few weeks ago I put a project plan for a small plywood boat on my
website that shows the waiting time. look under "Boats" then
"Boatbuilding" on my website.


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"notta chance" wrote in message ...
For my first project i am going to build the 'six hour canoe' from the book.

Anyone have any experience or know of related websites?

Thanks!

If you can build it in less than 6 days, post a message explaining how :-)

Jacques
http://bateau.com

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"notta chance" wrote in message ...
For my first project i am going to build the 'six hour canoe' from the book.

Anyone have any experience or know of related websites?

Thanks!

Funny that your handle is "not a chance" as it is what I would say if
you ask if you can build it in 6 hours! First time builder... Call it
the 16 hour canoe or maybe 26 if you work at a slower pace;) But so
what, you will end up with a little boat and a bad addiction. Yes, you
will build more boats, just the way it is. Let us know how you do,
good luck on your build, Scotty

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If you can build it in less than 6 days, post a message explaining how :-)

Exactly. It's easy to build but it probably took me six weeks between
waiting for epoxy to cure and all of life's distractions...something
about my boatshop being a "garage" or something...

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the 6 hr canoe can be built in 6 hrs. a lot of people did it at the annual
Mystic Seaport Museum festival or someplace and it was written up in
Wooden Boat. I don't know if they counted waiting for the glue to dry but
the inexperienced families who built them launched them the same day.
maybe 2-3 people can build a 6 hr canoe in 6 hrs. I don't know if there
were any solo builders. Some were father-and-son teams. How much can a 10
year old add to productivity? "No, Dad, it goes on the other way around"?

and Harold Payson and a helper built a 16 ft Windsprint hull in one
afternoon. he says so right in "New(?) Instant Boats". I'm sure the
Weldwood glue wasn't dry but the ring nails were holding it together
anyway.


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On 3 Mar 2004 08:35:49 -0800, (Backyard
Renegade) vaguely proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

I actually abhor the idea of going into _any_ boatbuilding project
with the idea of doing it as fast as possible.

"notta chance" wrote in message ...
For my first project i am going to build the 'six hour canoe' from the book.

Anyone have any experience or know of related websites?

Thanks!

Funny that your handle is "not a chance" as it is what I would say if
you ask if you can build it in 6 hours! First time builder... Call it
the 16 hour canoe or maybe 26 if you work at a slower pace;) But so
what, you will end up with a little boat and a bad addiction. Yes, you
will build more boats, just the way it is. Let us know how you do,
good luck on your build, Scotty

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SIx-hour canoe was my first project,more like 6 weekends, spent lotsa timein
the moaning chair

pierre
"William R. Watt" wrote in message
...
the 6 hr canoe can be built in 6 hrs. a lot of people did it at the annual
Mystic Seaport Museum festival or someplace and it was written up in
Wooden Boat. I don't know if they counted waiting for the glue to dry but
the inexperienced families who built them launched them the same day.
maybe 2-3 people can build a 6 hr canoe in 6 hrs. I don't know if there
were any solo builders. Some were father-and-son teams. How much can a 10
year old add to productivity? "No, Dad, it goes on the other way around"?

and Harold Payson and a helper built a 16 ft Windsprint hull in one
afternoon. he says so right in "New(?) Instant Boats". I'm sure the
Weldwood glue wasn't dry but the ring nails were holding it together
anyway.


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Flew's Theory
My theory is that any job on my boat takes minimum 4 times as long as it
would if not for being on a boat. And this is for well organised, planned in
advance jobs. And that's not counting the time to travel to and from the
boat.

From a base of 100% to do it in my garage:-
a) add 100 % because of the tools. 50% in carting all the tools you think
you will need, 50% in working without the ones you didn't bring but really
should have.
b) add 100% because of working on a boat. Could be space, could be the
boat won't stay still, could be weather
c) add 100% for distractions. Other boats, boat owners, just nice sitting
in the sun,
That gets us to 400%. For a job not properly thought out, planned, and
researched, just double it.

My other theory is that when you need to change the lamp at the top of the
mast, you might as well start by removing the prop. It can't possible be
required, but no job on a boat is as simple as it looks, and will inevitably
involve or disclose unrelated problems. If you start by removing the prop,
the rest of the lamp change job will be simple by comparison. Then all you
have to do is put the prop back.

( and I have no idea how I would remove the prop without slipping the boat,
probably start by changing the masthead lamp .... )

My son wants to know if you take 6 hours to build the 6 hour canoe, how long
will it take to sink?

David





"Old Nick" wrote in message
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On 3 Mar 2004 08:35:49 -0800, (Backyard
Renegade) vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:

I actually abhor the idea of going into _any_ boatbuilding project
with the idea of doing it as fast as possible.

"notta chance" wrote in message
...
For my first project i am going to build the 'six hour canoe' from the
book.

Anyone have any experience or know of related websites?

Thanks!

Funny that your handle is "not a chance" as it is what I would say if
you ask if you can build it in 6 hours! First time builder... Call it
the 16 hour canoe or maybe 26 if you work at a slower pace;) But so
what, you will end up with a little boat and a bad addiction. Yes, you
will build more boats, just the way it is. Let us know how you do,
good luck on your build, Scotty

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On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 19:13:26 +1100, "David Flew"
vaguely proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

I must be totally inept. I thought _every_ job was like
this......especially the bit about the prop G


Flew's Theory
My theory is that any job on my boat takes minimum 4 times as long as it
would if not for being on a boat. And this is for well organised, planned in

From a base of 100% to do it in my garage:-

My other theory is that when you need to change the lamp at the top of the
mast, you might as well start by removing the prop. It can't possible be

( and I have no idea how I would remove the prop without slipping the boat,
probably start by changing the masthead lamp .... )


My son wants to know if you take 6 hours to build the 6 hour canoe, how long
will it take to sink?

Sounds like a wise and worthwhile lad to have around!
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Old Nick wrote in message . ..
On 3 Mar 2004 08:35:49 -0800, (Backyard
Renegade) vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:

I actually abhor the idea of going into _any_ boatbuilding project
with the idea of doing it as fast as possible.

Obviously you don't know me or you would see the humor in your
statement. I don't do anything "as fast as possible". Quite the
contrary, I am quite lazy and usually usually do things as slow as
possible... Here is a peek at the results of plenty of sleep and
innattention to detail or anything else that could cause stress:
http://rbbpix.com/toofast.htm ;-)
Scotty, The Backyard Renegade!

"notta chance" wrote in message ...
For my first project i am going to build the 'six hour canoe' from the book.

Anyone have any experience or know of related websites?

Thanks!

Funny that your handle is "not a chance" as it is what I would say if
you ask if you can build it in 6 hours! First time builder... Call it
the 16 hour canoe or maybe 26 if you work at a slower pace;) But so
what, you will end up with a little boat and a bad addiction. Yes, you
will build more boats, just the way it is. Let us know how you do,
good luck on your build, Scotty

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not bad, was this a 6 hour dink?

nice job

Brian

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Old Nick ) writes:
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 19:13:26 +1100, "David Flew"
vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:

I must be totally inept. I thought _every_ job was like
this......especially the bit about the prop G

moreso on these lightweight space-saving environmental automobiles. just
discovered to change the thermostat I have to remove the distributor. not
as bad as one Mazda on which to change the timing belt you have to lift
the engine out of the vehicle.

to change powder room faucetts recently I had to take the wall hung sink
down which meant cleaning and painting the wall behind the sink. while I
was at it I decided to wire brush the surface rust off the hanging plate
and gave it a couple coats of rust penetrating paint, all of which
required drying time.


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On 4 Mar 2004 19:17:40 GMT, (William R.
Watt) vaguely proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

See. You should have removed the prop.

to change powder room faucetts recently I had to take the wall hung sink
down which meant cleaning and painting the wall behind the sink. while I
was at it I decided to wire brush the surface rust off the hanging plate
and gave it a couple coats of rust penetrating paint, all of which
required drying time.

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On 4 Mar 2004 06:51:02 -0800, (Backyard
Renegade) vaguely proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

contrary, I am quite lazy and usually usually do things as slow as
possible... Here is a peek at the results of plenty of sleep and
innattention to detail or anything else that could cause stress:

I knew that! G. No. It was a general comment on the idea of a 6-hour
boat (or whatever). It happened to tag onto your reply.
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Old Nick wrote in message . ..
On 4 Mar 2004 06:51:02 -0800, (Backyard
Renegade) vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:

contrary, I am quite lazy and usually usually do things as slow as
possible... Here is a peek at the results of plenty of sleep and
innattention to detail or anything else that could cause stress:

I knew that! G. No. It was a general comment on the idea of a 6-hour
boat (or whatever). It happened to tag onto your reply.

'sallright, I knew it was all in fun, besides, I was just showin' off anyway, Scotty

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The Six Hour Canoe is amazingly similar to the "Cheap Canoe" from bateau.com
There's a number of builders on the message boards found through the links
on http://www.bateau.com and there's an excellent tutorial on stitch & glue
(a.k.a. slop and goo) on the site as well. It takes some navigating though
since it looks like they're re-disigning the site.
--
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http://www.floatingbear.ca

"notta chance" wrote in message
...
For my first project i am going to build the 'six hour canoe' from the
book.

Anyone have any experience or know of related websites?

Thanks!

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"Andrew Butchart" wrote in message .. .
The Six Hour Canoe is amazingly similar to the "Cheap Canoe" from bateau.com
There's a number of builders on the message boards found through the links
on http://www.bateau.com and there's an excellent tutorial on stitch & glue
(a.k.a. slop and goo) on the site as well. It takes some navigating though
since it looks like they're re-disigning the site.
--
Andrew Butchart

http://www.floatingbear.ca

"notta chance" wrote in message
...
For my first project i am going to build the 'six hour canoe' from the
book.

Anyone have any experience or know of related websites?

Thanks!



It may look similar but there are major differences between the
bateau.com canoe and the 60 hr canoe.
The 6 hr canoe has a lot more rocker than the Cheap Canoe.
The 6hr canoe is designed as a wooden boat with stem pieces and other
wood framing, there is no such thing in the Cheap Canoe, the structure
is all fiberglass.
The Cheap Canoe is much easier to build. The plans are free, you don't
have to pay for the book.
Check the free plans here and you will see the difference:
http://www.bateau.com/free/freeplans.htm

Click around and you will find several web sites and pictures of the
Cheap Canoe.
It's a large PDF file, give it time to download.

Jacques.

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On 9 Mar 2004 05:47:21 -0800, (Jacques) vaguely proposed
a theory
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Sorry. I love the "US units" vs "Metric" idea. It _is_ called
"imperial", although I can see certain propblems with that G.

It may look similar but there are major differences between the
bateau.com canoe and the 60 hr canoe.
The 6 hr canoe has a lot more rocker than the Cheap Canoe.
http://www.bateau.com/free/freeplans.htm

Click around and you will find several web sites and pictures of the
Cheap Canoe.
It's a large PDF file, give it time to download.

Jacques.

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Old Nick wrote in message

Sorry. I love the "US units" vs "Metric" idea. It _is_ called
"imperial", although I can see certain propblems with that G.


Oh yes there are problems with that. Years ago we called it Imperial
as it should be and we regularly received emails asking if we also had
the plans in US units . . . inches and stuff you know . . .
That free boat plan is a great way to build a first boat in metric.
Use metric once and you'll never go back.

Jacques.
http://bateau.com

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Jacques ) writes:

Use metric once and you'll never go back.

the government tried to force metric on the people of Canada but it didn't
stick. The British Empire gave us nice neat whole fractions. The French
Empire gave us confusing non-terminating decimals. :)

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William Watt says:

The French
Empire gave us confusing non-terminating decimals. :)

Just ignore the decimals, William, and stick to whole millimetres - you'll
still be more accurate than those who work to the nearest 1/16"

;-P

Steve

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Isn't there some kinda rule that says anything having to do with
boatbuilding takes atleast six times longer than anticipated to complete?

notta chance wrote:
For my first project i am going to build the 'six hour canoe' from the book.

Anyone have any experience or know of related websites?

Thanks!

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On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 07:55:26 +0800, Old Nick
wrote:

On 9 Mar 2004 05:47:21 -0800, (Jacques) vaguely proposed
a theory
......and in reply I say!:
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Sorry. I love the "US units" vs "Metric" idea. It _is_ called
"imperial", although I can see certain propblems with that G.

[anti-bush rant mode on]

Well with bush around you're well on the way to an empire...
Afganistain, then Iraq, and from his spoutigns it seemed that Syria
had a bit of a close shave... I suppose they just didn't have enough
oil... there was reason to go into Afganistan... and none for Iraq....

[anti-bush rant mode off]

imperial units worked well in the british emipre ya know :)

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"steveJ" wrote in message
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Isn't there some kinda rule that says anything having to do with
boatbuilding takes atleast six times longer than anticipated to complete?

Nope. That's with software development.... :-))

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On 10 Mar 2004 06:51:55 -0800, (Jacques) vaguely proposed
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Old Nick wrote in message

Sorry. I love the "US units" vs "Metric" idea. It _is_ called
"imperial", although I can see certain propblems with that G.


Oh yes there are problems with that. Years ago we called it Imperial
as it should be and we regularly received emails asking if we also had
the plans in US units . . . inches and stuff you know . . .
That free boat plan is a great way to build a first boat in metric.
Use metric once and you'll never go back.

Oh no! _That_ was not the problem I meant. I am sorry about that! G

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On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 03:39:30 GMT, steveJ vaguely
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Isn't there some kinda rule that says anything having to do with
boatbuilding takes atleast six times longer than anticipated to complete?

Trouble is with rules like that they immediately become the new
expectaion level.... :-
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"rnf2" wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 07:55:26 +0800, Old Nick
wrote:


imperial units worked well in the british emipre ya know :)

And Roman numerals worked for the Roman empire too

Sorry - couldn't resist ;-)

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Try living with a research chemist for 30 years !!

Most people {Americans, anyway} *think* in US and convert to Metric - she
*thinks* in Metric and has to convert to US measurements !!

I've learned to let her be ACCURATE and I do the converting when I have to.

Regards & Good Luck,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop
{PS - don't you wonder where those 'odd-ball' thickness dimensions come
from when you are getting sheet goods at your local yard ?}


"Stephen Baker" wrote in message
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SNIP

Just ignore the decimals, William, and stick to whole millimetres - you'll
still be more accurate than those who work to the nearest 1/16"

;-P

Steve

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steveJ wrote in message ...
Isn't there some kinda rule that says anything having to do with
boatbuilding takes atleast six times longer than anticipated to complete?


Only for ragbaggers! Hey Steve, ya' out there?


notta chance wrote:
For my first project i am going to build the 'six hour canoe' from the book.

Anyone have any experience or know of related websites?

Thanks!

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Scotty says:

Only for ragbaggers! Hey Steve, ya' out there?

Ppppppfffffftttttt.......................

;-)

Steve "I hate it when you're right......"

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On 10 Mar 2004 15:21:15 GMT, (William R.
Watt) wrote:

Jacques ) writes:

Use metric once and you'll never go back.

the government tried to force metric on the people of Canada but it didn't
stick. The British Empire gave us nice neat whole fractions. The French
Empire gave us confusing non-terminating decimals. :)

My generation of Canadians is somewhere in between. We think of
distances and weights in metric, except when it comes to the height
and weight of people. This is because our parents, being
Imperial-thinking, always spoke of our height in feet and inches.

If you asked me how tall I am in centimeters, I wouldn't know. But if
you ask me how far it is to Montreal in miles, I wouldn't know,
either.

Metric really is superior, imho. At the mill, we saw to Imperial
standards, because that's how the market works, but we use centimeters
internally to keep track of the cut.

-m

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On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:44:12 -0500, Max Camirand
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SO how many of you, laid end to end, would it take to reach Montreal?
G
If you asked me how tall I am in centimeters, I wouldn't know. But if
you ask me how far it is to Montreal in miles, I wouldn't know,
either.

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