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[email protected] November 29th 05 08:07 PM

Chem bond with cured epoxy
 
Sometimes you have to apply new epoxy to older cured epoxy resulting in
a "secondary" bond held only with mechanical interlocking to surface
roughness. Is there any way to de-cure just the surface of epoxy so
you can get a chemical bond?


Paul Oman November 29th 05 09:34 PM

Chem bond with cured epoxy
 
wrote:

Sometimes you have to apply new epoxy to older cured epoxy resulting in
a "secondary" bond held only with mechanical interlocking to surface
roughness. Is there any way to de-cure just the surface of epoxy so
you can get a chemical bond?



No
paul oman
progressive epoxy polymers, inc.

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William R. Watt November 30th 05 01:02 AM

Chem bond with cured epoxy
 
Does warming the old stuff do any good?

[email protected] November 30th 05 02:40 AM

Chem bond with cured epoxy
 
"No" is not a satisfactory answer.


[email protected] November 30th 05 02:53 AM

Chem bond with cured epoxy
 
This past year I have done a little experimenting on this topic for an
application at work. Specifically, we have been experimenting with
using various polymer films to smooth optical surfaces. Such films can
produce roughness below 3 angstroms due to their surface tension.
HOWEVER, after use, we need to be able to remove the films. We have
tried polymer films with various solvents such as acrylic lacquers,
epoxy based lacquers and even polyimide films. Epoxy is nice because
it is fairly hard and is not as easily damaged by heat as the acrylic
lacquers. Cured epoxy can be removed by strong methyl chloride
solutions, especially when heated so I wonder what TCE (Tri-chloryl
ethylene or cleaning fluid) would do.
Polyimide is another story. It was devised as a very heat resistent
and radiation resistant film. When I asked the manufacturer about
removing the cured film he thought I was crazy saying "It isnt EVER
supposed to be removed" and so far he is right. It is great stuff but
requires about 450 degrees F to cure. It makes a beautiful film with
ultra-low roughness that is very adherent to metals.


Meindert Sprang November 30th 05 07:15 AM

Chem bond with cured epoxy
 
wrote in message
ups.com...
"No" is not a satisfactory answer.


But what if it is the only answer. I mean, the epoxy is changing chemically,
so it is perfectly feasible that, once cured, it will not be chemically
active to uncured epoxy.

Maybe compare it to "cured steel". Once turned into rust, you cannot weld
new steel to it.... :-)

Meindert



Brian Nystrom November 30th 05 10:26 PM

Chem bond with cured epoxy
 
wrote:
This past year I have done a little experimenting on this topic for an
application at work. Specifically, we have been experimenting with
using various polymer films to smooth optical surfaces. Such films can
produce roughness below 3 angstroms due to their surface tension.
HOWEVER, after use, we need to be able to remove the films. We have
tried polymer films with various solvents such as acrylic lacquers,
epoxy based lacquers and even polyimide films. Epoxy is nice because
it is fairly hard and is not as easily damaged by heat as the acrylic
lacquers. Cured epoxy can be removed by strong methyl chloride
solutions, especially when heated so I wonder what TCE (Tri-chloryl
ethylene or cleaning fluid) would do.
Polyimide is another story. It was devised as a very heat resistent
and radiation resistant film. When I asked the manufacturer about
removing the cured film he thought I was crazy saying "It isnt EVER
supposed to be removed" and so far he is right. It is great stuff but
requires about 450 degrees F to cure. It makes a beautiful film with
ultra-low roughness that is very adherent to metals.

What does this have to do with the original question?

Brian Nystrom November 30th 05 10:27 PM

Chem bond with cured epoxy
 
wrote:
"No" is not a satisfactory answer.

If it's correct, it is.

Brian Nystrom November 30th 05 10:28 PM

Chem bond with cured epoxy
 
Meindert Sprang wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

"No" is not a satisfactory answer.



But what if it is the only answer. I mean, the epoxy is changing chemically,
so it is perfectly feasible that, once cured, it will not be chemically
active to uncured epoxy.


That's exactly correct.



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