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I'm thinking of building a small (2 person) sized drift boat for use on
westside Olympic peninsula rivers in Washington state. Needs to be light and strong. Any recommendations? Thanks Gordon |
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Tracy O'Brien's Headwater series of driftboats have a good reputation. They
are light and strong: http://www.tracyobrien.com/moreinfo.asp?id=34 Brian "GAZ" wrote in message ... I'm thinking of building a small (2 person) sized drift boat for use on westside Olympic peninsula rivers in Washington state. Needs to be light and strong. Any recommendations? Thanks Gordon |
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"GAZ" wrote in message ...
I'm thinking of building a small (2 person) sized drift boat for use on westside Olympic peninsula rivers in Washington state. Needs to be light and strong. Any recommendations? Thanks Gordon When you say a small 2 person you leave things open a little. With boats shaped like that (banannas) you need to keep the length and beam. These driftboats are not really "small" boats. If you try to scale one down you end up with a boat similar to Paysons cartopper (only with flat bottom) that is really best suited for one person to sit in the middle of the boat. Once you add extra people to the bow or stern in a small boat with this much rocker, you put a lot of weight above the center of balance and the boat becomes a real tricky boat to handle and especially to move around in. So if you build a drift boat, make sure you keep it at least 14 feet or preferably larger. If you need a smaller boat, a driftboat, as beautiful as they are, may not be the right tool. Disclaimer. I have plans for several driftboats including a set from Roger at Rivers touch, but I have not actually built one. I have however built close to 50 boats under 12 feet and do know a little of how they react in the water so take my advice for what you paid for it, if I am way off base here I will take my flames like a man, Scotty from SmallBoats.com |
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Like Scotty says,
snipsimilar to Paysons cartopper (only with flat bottom) that is really best suited for one person to sit in the middle of the boat. Once you add extra people to the bow or stern in a small boat with this much rocker, you put a lot of weight above the center of balance and the boat becomes a real tricky boat to handle and especially to move around in. ....or make sure the 2 sit very close to each other. surfnturf |
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"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message om... "GAZ" wrote in message ... I'm thinking of building a small (2 person) sized drift boat for use on westside Olympic peninsula rivers in Washington state. Needs to be light and strong. Any recommendations? Thanks Gordon When you say a small 2 person you leave things open a little. With boats shaped like that (banannas) you need to keep the length and beam. These driftboats are not really "small" boats. If you try to scale one down you end up with a boat similar to Paysons cartopper (only with flat bottom) that is really best suited for one person to sit in the middle of the boat. Once you add extra people to the bow or stern in a small boat with this much rocker, you put a lot of weight above the center of balance and the boat becomes a real tricky boat to handle and especially to move around in. So if you build a drift boat, make sure you keep it at least 14 feet or preferably larger. If you need a smaller boat, a driftboat, as beautiful as they are, may not be the right tool. Disclaimer. I have plans for several driftboats including a set from Roger at Rivers touch, but I have not actually built one. I have however built close to 50 boats under 12 feet and do know a little of how they react in the water so take my advice for what you paid for it, if I am way off base here I will take my flames like a man, Scotty from SmallBoats.com Sounds reasonable to me! Gordon |
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Not entirely true. The "16 foot standard" (16 feet along gunnel, like other
dories are measured, but 14' LOA) is not a big boat or small boat. I've seen driftboats as short as 12' LOA, but the 14' model is the shortest that I know you can get plans for. BUT, check with Ray's River Dories and Greg Tatman in Springfield, Oregon may have shorter driftboats (probably frame kits). Also do a web search on drift prams. They used to be popular until pontoon boats (single person) started catching on. Most of them are designed for 2 people too. Brian "Backyard Renegade" wrote in message om... "GAZ" wrote in message ... I'm thinking of building a small (2 person) sized drift boat for use on westside Olympic peninsula rivers in Washington state. Needs to be light and strong. Any recommendations? Thanks Gordon When you say a small 2 person you leave things open a little. With boats shaped like that (banannas) you need to keep the length and beam. These driftboats are not really "small" boats. If you try to scale one down you end up with a boat similar to Paysons cartopper (only with flat bottom) that is really best suited for one person to sit in the middle of the boat. Once you add extra people to the bow or stern in a small boat with this much rocker, you put a lot of weight above the center of balance and the boat becomes a real tricky boat to handle and especially to move around in. So if you build a drift boat, make sure you keep it at least 14 feet or preferably larger. If you need a smaller boat, a driftboat, as beautiful as they are, may not be the right tool. Disclaimer. I have plans for several driftboats including a set from Roger at Rivers touch, but I have not actually built one. I have however built close to 50 boats under 12 feet and do know a little of how they react in the water so take my advice for what you paid for it, if I am way off base here I will take my flames like a man, Scotty from SmallBoats.com |
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Look at the 14" boat on the following page.
http://www.montanaboatbuilders.com/Freestone.htm I don't know if Jason offers plans for the 14 footer but it shouldn't be that hard to adapt the 15 footer's plans. |
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I did a little more looking and Montana Boat Builders offers plans for
both a 12 foot and 14 foot boat. The link is http://www.montanaboatbuilders.com/plans.htm Kevin |
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"GAZ" wrote in message ...
I'm thinking of building a small (2 person) sized drift boat for use on westside Olympic peninsula rivers in Washington state. Needs to be light and strong. Any recommendations? Thanks Gordon I think what got me thinking on my previous post was the idea of a "small (2 person) sized...". If you look at the links suggested in this thread, you will notice that most of these boats are also very wide. I am also guessing that some weight is good in a boat designed to work in those kind of waters. So a small, 2 person, lightweight + driftboat, to me does not work. So, a small two person light driftboat would probably be, in most instances, 14 feet plus, 6 feet at the widest beam, and over 250 pounds. I will accept the fact that it could be considered a "smallboat" to many, of course I think of smallboats as something you throw in the back of a pickup and portage down the boatramp ;-) Scotty |
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"Brian D" ) writes:
Not entirely true. The "16 foot standard" (16 feet along gunnel, like other dories are measured, but 14' LOA) is not a big boat or small boat. I've "traditional" dories are measured by the length of the bottom -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
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there's a free skiff program in Basic on my website which will accept
dimensions of for a driftboat and display a bunch of calculated numbers. it can be used to try various shapes and loads. it is a tiny bit imprecise for fully rockered drift boats because it assumes a flat run in the forward and aft thirds as recommended by H Chapelle. for the kind of water driftboats are used in I'd pay attention to draft (shallow) and freeborad (high) when carrying two people. Greg Carlson's program comes with a a drift boat example if I'm not mistaken. You can easily vary the length and beam (but not the flare and resulting rocker) and see how the computed numbers change. Either program can be used to decide how big a drift boat is needed to cope with the weight of two people and then you can go looking for plans for a boat of sufficient size. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
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as an afterthought, a design for a two person drift boat would probably be
longer to accomodate two seats and two sets of oars. It would be an interesting challenge to sychrnonize two sets of oars in the turbulent waters driftboats are made for although they were in use here on the Ottawa River in the logging days. those were a type of "batteau" dory locally called "pointer" boats. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
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I have been doing something similar for quite sometime and have seen other
mini boats float down the river in front of my place, all home built I'm sure. You what we have been doing at http://www.premier1.net/~daveb/rowboats.html Nothing for sale here, just fun! -- From the rocky shores of the Skykomish river David Bosworth http://www.premier1.net/~daveb/ Kevin wrote in message om... ok found a real small portable drift boat. check out http://www.fishingnorthwest.com/boats.htm |
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(Kevin) wrote in message . com...
ok found a real small portable drift boat. check out http://www.fishingnorthwest.com/boats.htm Several things would suggest to me that this is a prototype and wonder to myself how much real life testing it has had, I could be wrong. One could imagine by the photos that this is the first season for this boat, and it may not get a lot of testing till spring. I see no flotation in the boat and even though as a drift boat it may not be required, it would be plain stupid to take a boat that small on water like that, without it. Look at these pics: http://www.fishingnorthwest.com/boats.htm http://www.fishingnorthwest.com/crissxshadowboat.jpg As a builder it makes me furious that someone would sell someone a boat this small and tell them to take it on water like this but I will hold my temper here. This boat is just too small in my opinion for this kind of water and without flotation? Also, I don't see anywhere on the site a reference to being a USCG registered builder, following the rules and regs that apply for construction, safety, flotation, seaworthyness, etc. If it is a novelty you want, go for it, if you want a drift boat, keep on looking till you find one that will do the job you need it to do. Sorry to rail on you like this, but you asked. I can come off like this because I am a hobbiest, and all of these comments are opinions, based on the limited information available on this builders site. I am sure some of the professionals here would agree with me that the boat you are looking at is just to small, but being professionals, they have decided to stay out of it, I can understand that. Boats are always a compromise between size, weight, style, and capability... If you really want the right boat, you will put capability at the top of the list and work down from there. You may not get exactly you set out for in the first place, but you want the boat to do what you intend when you get it on the water. Unfortunately, that is not always the boat we initially imagined. The above statements are only opinions based on looking at the website provided by the builder and noted here by the origional poster. My opinions only reflect my impression and obvervations and do not necessarily mean I feel that this is not a good boat, although I do not think it is the right boat for this kind of boating. Still I have built over 50 boats, all under 12 feet and done a lot of boating in many of them, I know small boats and what they can and or should/should not be asked to do. Again, I don't build drift boats but would note that the established professional builders don't build them this small, I am guessing there is a good reason for that. ;) And since I should not shoot my mouth off without a solution... I am looking over a set of Roger Fletcher's 17 footer (riverstouch.com) here and could probably see it coming down to 15-16 feet LOA. If you built it right and left out some of the interior (or made it removable for transport) you could probably keep this boat under 200 pounds, maybe even less using ocoume and glass but it would take a good touch with the epoxy spreader. I could do it. I built a 17 foot Payson Dory (Gull) last season and kept it under 140 pounds. Maybe you could knock this boat down to 15 feet, but not much less in my opinion, either way I would ask the designer first. Scotty from SmallBoats.com |
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I think your coming down a bit harsh on the guy, I have seen canoes and
those small squareish kayaks go through better water than that. The pro's might not build anything this small because it would be tough to make a buck in this size boat. In fact I don't remember seeing the length of his crafts mentioned on his site. Having built a few small boats yourself I'm sure you would agree with me that there is about as much work in a boat that size as one a little bit larger and alot more useful. Always enjoy your input. -- From the rocky shores of the Skykomish river David Bosworth http://www.premier1.net/~daveb/ Backyard Renegade wrote in message om... (Kevin) wrote in message . com... ok found a real small portable drift boat. check out http://www.fishingnorthwest.com/boats.htm Several things would suggest to me that this is a prototype and wonder to myself how much real life testing it has had, I could be wrong. One could imagine by the photos that this is the first season for this boat, and it may not get a lot of testing till spring. I see no flotation in the boat and even though as a drift boat it may not be required, it would be plain stupid to take a boat that small on water like that, without it. Look at these pics: http://www.fishingnorthwest.com/boats.htm http://www.fishingnorthwest.com/crissxshadowboat.jpg As a builder it makes me furious that someone would sell someone a boat this small and tell them to take it on water like this but I will hold my temper here. This boat is just too small in my opinion for this kind of water and without flotation? Also, I don't see anywhere on the site a reference to being a USCG registered builder, following the rules and regs that apply for construction, safety, flotation, seaworthyness, etc. If it is a novelty you want, go for it, if you want a drift boat, keep on looking till you find one that will do the job you need it to do. Sorry to rail on you like this, but you asked. I can come off like this because I am a hobbiest, and all of these comments are opinions, based on the limited information available on this builders site. I am sure some of the professionals here would agree with me that the boat you are looking at is just to small, but being professionals, they have decided to stay out of it, I can understand that. Boats are always a compromise between size, weight, style, and capability... If you really want the right boat, you will put capability at the top of the list and work down from there. You may not get exactly you set out for in the first place, but you want the boat to do what you intend when you get it on the water. Unfortunately, that is not always the boat we initially imagined. The above statements are only opinions based on looking at the website provided by the builder and noted here by the origional poster. My opinions only reflect my impression and obvervations and do not necessarily mean I feel that this is not a good boat, although I do not think it is the right boat for this kind of boating. Still I have built over 50 boats, all under 12 feet and done a lot of boating in many of them, I know small boats and what they can and or should/should not be asked to do. Again, I don't build drift boats but would note that the established professional builders don't build them this small, I am guessing there is a good reason for that. ;) And since I should not shoot my mouth off without a solution... I am looking over a set of Roger Fletcher's 17 footer (riverstouch.com) here and could probably see it coming down to 15-16 feet LOA. If you built it right and left out some of the interior (or made it removable for transport) you could probably keep this boat under 200 pounds, maybe even less using ocoume and glass but it would take a good touch with the epoxy spreader. I could do it. I built a 17 foot Payson Dory (Gull) last season and kept it under 140 pounds. Maybe you could knock this boat down to 15 feet, but not much less in my opinion, either way I would ask the designer first. Scotty from SmallBoats.com |
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"David Bosworth" wrote in message ...
I think your coming down a bit harsh on the guy, I have seen canoes and those small squareish kayaks go through better water than that. The pro's might not build anything this small because it would be tough to make a buck in this size boat. In fact I don't remember seeing the length of his crafts mentioned on his site. If you study the photos you will see that there are no scarfs or butt joints in the side panels. Built with standard plywood panels you can guestimate that the boat is about 7'9" long and less than 4' wide. Having built a few small boats yourself I'm sure you would agree with me that there is about as much work in a boat that size as one a little bit larger and alot more useful. I looked at your website and your boats look a little longer, 10 feet? Anyway, even at that, you are in much calmer water than the guy we are discussing here. The origional poster should note that your boat, being larger than the one he was looking at is still a one person boat. Always enjoy your input. -- From the rocky shores of the Skykomish river David Bosworth http://www.premier1.net/~daveb/ I think the easiest and best way for this guy to get a two person boat for rougher water is either go with a decent sized drift boat, or a slightly smaller semi dory type river runner like the Rouge river type boats which can again be found at the url I mentioned in an earlier thread. The wider transom gives a lot of stability with the shorter boat. Scotty Backyard Renegade wrote in message om... (Kevin) wrote in message . com... ok found a real small portable drift boat. check out http://www.fishingnorthwest.com/boats.htm Several things would suggest to me that this is a prototype and wonder to myself how much real life testing it has had, I could be wrong. One could imagine by the photos that this is the first season for this boat, and it may not get a lot of testing till spring. I see no flotation in the boat and even though as a drift boat it may not be required, it would be plain stupid to take a boat that small on water like that, without it. Look at these pics: http://www.fishingnorthwest.com/boats.htm http://www.fishingnorthwest.com/crissxshadowboat.jpg As a builder it makes me furious that someone would sell someone a boat this small and tell them to take it on water like this but I will hold my temper here. This boat is just too small in my opinion for this kind of water and without flotation? Also, I don't see anywhere on the site a reference to being a USCG registered builder, following the rules and regs that apply for construction, safety, flotation, seaworthyness, etc. If it is a novelty you want, go for it, if you want a drift boat, keep on looking till you find one that will do the job you need it to do. Sorry to rail on you like this, but you asked. I can come off like this because I am a hobbiest, and all of these comments are opinions, based on the limited information available on this builders site. I am sure some of the professionals here would agree with me that the boat you are looking at is just to small, but being professionals, they have decided to stay out of it, I can understand that. Boats are always a compromise between size, weight, style, and capability... If you really want the right boat, you will put capability at the top of the list and work down from there. You may not get exactly you set out for in the first place, but you want the boat to do what you intend when you get it on the water. Unfortunately, that is not always the boat we initially imagined. The above statements are only opinions based on looking at the website provided by the builder and noted here by the origional poster. My opinions only reflect my impression and obvervations and do not necessarily mean I feel that this is not a good boat, although I do not think it is the right boat for this kind of boating. Still I have built over 50 boats, all under 12 feet and done a lot of boating in many of them, I know small boats and what they can and or should/should not be asked to do. Again, I don't build drift boats but would note that the established professional builders don't build them this small, I am guessing there is a good reason for that. ;) And since I should not shoot my mouth off without a solution... I am looking over a set of Roger Fletcher's 17 footer (riverstouch.com) here and could probably see it coming down to 15-16 feet LOA. If you built it right and left out some of the interior (or made it removable for transport) you could probably keep this boat under 200 pounds, maybe even less using ocoume and glass but it would take a good touch with the epoxy spreader. I could do it. I built a 17 foot Payson Dory (Gull) last season and kept it under 140 pounds. Maybe you could knock this boat down to 15 feet, but not much less in my opinion, either way I would ask the designer first. Scotty from SmallBoats.com |
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Backyard Renegade ) writes:
If you study the photos you will see that there are no scarfs or butt joints in the side panels. Built with standard plywood panels you can guestimate that the boat is about 7'9" long and less than 4' wide. I agree a one sheet boat is too small for rough water. I've made two one sheeters which I use a lot, one is a sailboat (Loonie), the other for paddling (Delta). The sailboat has to have sponsons to carry a 25 sq ft sail. Both will ride over boat wakes but constant bouncing around in short sharp waves is out of the question. I take the paddle boat through swifts and small rapids but nothing of even moderate size. Its sort of like driving a sports car, the small size makes small rapids fun. Same with the sailboat, the small size makes small waters with their ever changing winds enjoyable. I've had the sailboat out in strong winds on small waters where the wind doesn't build up waves, and sailed it down shallow twisting creeks. (photos of these boats on my website.) (For a maximum capacity one sheeter look for PRISM on www.google.com. Inspired by my Delta with its Bolger ends, Prism is a rowboat, and sits deeper in the water.) I haven't seen anthing in the way of mathematical analysis of hulls in rough water like the kind of rapids drift boats are made for. The hydrostatic numbers I get from free hull design programs aren't applicable. You need a lot of bouyancy for riding up and over standing waves and for traversing foamy water which does not have much carrying capacity (being a mix of water and air). If you look at canoes built for running rapids they are voluminous, beamy with a lot of freeboard. Paddling a white water canoe is like driving a bus compared to paddling a regular canoe. The minimum load for a drift boat is one person which puts a lower bound on the bouyancy the baot can have and still function in the water its designed for. What that is I don't know but you won't get it out of a one sheeter. It all comes down to what kind of water you want to use the boat on. You can "drift" down dome pretty wild rivers, or you can "drift" down some tame canals. From what I've seen of "drift" boats they are designed for the wilder water. If you're going to call it a "drift" boat it should have that capability. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
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"David Bosworth" wrote in message ...
I think your coming down a bit harsh on the guy, I have seen canoes and those small squareish kayaks go through better water than that. The pro's might not build anything this small because it would be tough to make a buck in this size boat. In fact I don't remember seeing the length of his crafts mentioned on his site. Having built a few small boats yourself I'm sure you would agree with me that there is about as much work in a boat that size as one a little bit larger and alot more useful. Always enjoy your input. -- From the rocky shores of the Skykomish river David Bosworth http://www.premier1.net/~daveb/ OOOPs.. I did not look at your boats carefully enough, it seems yours are also 7 1/2 feet long, sorry. Anyway, also note that you are on a river that is quite different than the one in the origional posters link. As far as seeing canoes and squarish kayaks go through water like that, they are designed to take that kind of water, also, many in those kind of boats, in that kind of water expect to take an occasional swim, you do not want to do that in a driftboat with a load of equipment! With a flat bottom, straight sided boat, you need a little size and height to be anything but a flat water boat. Even larger skiffs are pretty wet when you get into wakes and any wind at all. As to the work in building a smallboat being equal to a larger more useful boat, you are right, maybe more work. But I was actually talking about professional designers getting in on this one, not necessarily builders. Also, I charge more for an 8foot pram of okoume and mahogany than the guy down the road charges for a 16 foot ext ply skiff, almost double so that is not really an issue for me. Also note that I only build when I feel like it, not as a way of making a living ;) Scotty, trying to keep up... I know Steve hates the "..." (dot dot dot) thing as I read the cruising group too!;) |
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"David Bosworth" wrote in message ...
I think your coming down a bit harsh on the guy, I have seen canoes and those small squareish kayaks go through better water than that. Those Kayaks and Canoes are probably closed in and full to the brim with flotation bags. The Canoes are what they refer to as OC1. There is some discussion amongst paddlers, with the way you are tucked into the cockpit of an OC1 with a full deck, sprayskirt, and nothing but you, your clothes and float bags in the boat, weather these are actually canoes at all or just funny shaped kayaks that you kneel in ;) They are not the canoes you see on local lakes, and if they are they are outfitted, as is the paddler, for those conditions, outfitted in fact more like a kayak, but that is a discussion for another group. Still the point is, this kind of water: http://www.fishingnorthwest.com/imag...sdrftboat8.jpg and open, flat bottom, 7 1/2 foot boats just don't match. Especially if the boat does not have proper flotation. Don't even get me wrong here, I just want to see the origional poster get a boat *he* can use, and although, the fellow who built this boat may be very comfortable in it in these conditions, I don' think the average boater would find it to be the right tool for the job he described, remember, he is looking for a driftboat for two. Scotty, the usual suspect |
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Scotty
Yes I can see your concerns and I'm not saying their not valid. I did not catch the begining of this thread, only the post with the said link, nor that someone wanted a two person boat in the first place. I think you could do one at about 10 feet without problem, 12 feet for sure, you would need to have a system worked out for a sliding seat to keep a good trim. (amazing what a little trim can do for a guy) for going from two people to one. I will say that though that the calmer waters shown in front of our house on my site are followed by rappids both up and down river, and I have been through them in my small boats that are only 24" on the bottom, maybe not for the faint of heart, or inexperienced, but certainly most doable. We have done 10 mile floats down river in ours from Sultan to Monroe. We do occasionally portage, but that is the coward factor that has kept me alive all these years!. My fatter personal drift boat WILL have fore and aft decks and about a 6" cap on the sides. I also sit much lower in my boats than he. I should also note that I would not recomend using a boat like this in the winter unless you were on calm water, period. From the rocky shores of the Skykomish river David Bosworth http://www.premier1.net/~daveb/ Backyard Renegade wrote in message om... "David Bosworth" wrote in message ... I think your coming down a bit harsh on the guy, I have seen canoes and those small squareish kayaks go through better water than that. Those Kayaks and Canoes are probably closed in and full to the brim with flotation bags. The Canoes are what they refer to as OC1. There is some discussion amongst paddlers, with the way you are tucked into the cockpit of an OC1 with a full deck, sprayskirt, and nothing but you, your clothes and float bags in the boat, weather these are actually canoes at all or just funny shaped kayaks that you kneel in ;) They are not the canoes you see on local lakes, and if they are they are outfitted, as is the paddler, for those conditions, outfitted in fact more like a kayak, but that is a discussion for another group. Still the point is, this kind of water: http://www.fishingnorthwest.com/imag...sdrftboat8.jpg and open, flat bottom, 7 1/2 foot boats just don't match. Especially if the boat does not have proper flotation. Don't even get me wrong here, I just want to see the origional poster get a boat *he* can use, and although, the fellow who built this boat may be very comfortable in it in these conditions, I don' think the average boater would find it to be the right tool for the job he described, remember, he is looking for a driftboat for two. Scotty, the usual suspect |
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William R. Watt ) writes:
I agree a one sheet boat is too small for rough water. I've made two one sheeters which I use a lot, one is a sailboat (Loonie), the other for paddling (Delta). The sailboat has to have sponsons to carry a 25 sq ft sail. once upon a time Glen Ashmore posted some information on safe capacity which he got from www.ccg-gcc.ca - Canadian Coast Guard www.uscg.mil - IS Coast Guard I wrote some of it down and just looked it up in my pile of disorganized notes. In Canada the recommendation is 12.5 lb/cu ft for boats under 20 ft. My Loonie weighs 27 lb and I put about 160 lb in it so I should have 14.8 cu ft of volume in that boat. It only has 8.75 cu ft (to the gunwales which is what I assume they mean). You could look up the gudelines on the websites and do the math. Both my one sheeters would be outside the guideline. These boats are strictly "sheltered water" boats. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
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