Ships Wheel Purchase
 

Folks, I bid on a ships wheel.
On eBay. And now, I need advice.

The price was low - $10 and the shipping was moderate.- $16.
So I won, and I paid fast, as I always do.

A few days later, I got an eBay note from the shipper saying he had
mistaken the shipping.
It came to $56 and could I help? And to let him know when I received
the wheel.

I was struck by the gentleness of this note.
While it is true I would not have bid on an impulse knowing the
shipping would be $56 (reminds me of those Chinese works of art - cost
$5, shipping $148) - I am inclined to favor the seller in some way.

Would anyone advise me?

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

Ships Wheel Purchase
 

Sounds like a scam to me. Con artists are renowned for their people skills.

Where is he shipping from, China?

Make sure you leave negative feedback to help others avoid similar problems.

Roger

http://home.earthlink.net/~derbyrm

"Brian Whatcott" wrote in message
...

Folks, I bid on a ships wheel.
On eBay. And now, I need advice.

The price was low - $10 and the shipping was moderate.- $16.
So I won, and I paid fast, as I always do.

A few days later, I got an eBay note from the shipper saying he had
mistaken the shipping.
It came to $56 and could I help? And to let him know when I received
the wheel.

I was struck by the gentleness of this note.
While it is true I would not have bid on an impulse knowing the
shipping would be $56 (reminds me of those Chinese works of art - cost
$5, shipping $148) - I am inclined to favor the seller in some way.

Would anyone advise me?

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

Ships Wheel Purchase
 

What is the size of the wheel? He was probably quoted on weight but the
size limit got him. UPS really reams you if the girth + length exceeds
their limit 165" limit or some ratio of size to weight is out of range.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

"Brian Whatcott" wrote in message
...

Folks, I bid on a ships wheel.
On eBay. And now, I need advice.

The price was low - $10 and the shipping was moderate.- $16.
So I won, and I paid fast, as I always do.

A few days later, I got an eBay note from the shipper saying he had
mistaken the shipping.
It came to $56 and could I help? And to let him know when I received
the wheel.

I was struck by the gentleness of this note.
While it is true I would not have bid on an impulse knowing the
shipping would be $56 (reminds me of those Chinese works of art - cost
$5, shipping $148) - I am inclined to favor the seller in some way.

Would anyone advise me?

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

Ships Wheel Purchase
 

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:31:46 -0500, "Glenn Ashmore"
wrote:

What is the size of the wheel? He was probably quoted on weight but the
size limit got him. UPS really reams you if the girth + length exceeds
their limit 165" limit or some ratio of size to weight is out of range.

I looked over the eBay copy here.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6574547864

This really does not provide a good size description. It was a
"calculate price using your mailcode UPS ground" shipment offer, I
see.

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

Ships Wheel Purchase
 

"Brian Whatcott" wrote in message
...

Folks, I bid on a ships wheel.
On eBay. And now, I need advice.

The price was low - $10 and the shipping was moderate.- $16.
So I won, and I paid fast, as I always do.

A deal is a deal. If you go through the hassle of getting in contact with a
'human' at Ebay, they'll tell you the same thing- stick with the auction as
described and closed. If the seller screwed up, that's NOT your problem.

Too many scams out there.

Ships Wheel Purchase
 

That looks like an ornamental wheel. It seems to be sitting on a shelf that
can't be wider than 24" judging from the cabinet doors in front so it is not
over size for UPS. He could have added any handling charges to the shipping
calculator when he listed the item. I would hold him to the deal. .

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

"Brian Whatcott" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:31:46 -0500, "Glenn Ashmore"
wrote:

What is the size of the wheel? He was probably quoted on weight but the
size limit got him. UPS really reams you if the girth + length exceeds
their limit 165" limit or some ratio of size to weight is out of range.

I looked over the eBay copy here.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6574547864

This really does not provide a good size description. It was a
"calculate price using your mailcode UPS ground" shipment offer, I
see.

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

Ships Wheel Purchase
 

Wow - tough crowd. We're talking a $10 wheel! This sure doesn't look
like a scam. The seller's got a 100% feedback rating with 78 feedbacks.
And he sent the wheel before asking for extra money?

It would have been better if the seller had contacted you to say that
shipping was wrong and asked if you wanted to cancel and get a refund.
If it has already shipped, I guess I would wait for the wheel to arrive
and then probably send him something extra if I liked it. Surprise him
with kindness!

Carl



Brian Whatcott wrote:
Folks, I bid on a ships wheel.
On eBay. And now, I need advice.

The price was low - $10 and the shipping was moderate.- $16.
So I won, and I paid fast, as I always do.

A few days later, I got an eBay note from the shipper saying he had
mistaken the shipping.
It came to $56 and could I help? And to let him know when I received
the wheel.

I was struck by the gentleness of this note.
While it is true I would not have bid on an impulse knowing the
shipping would be $56 (reminds me of those Chinese works of art - cost
$5, shipping $148) - I am inclined to favor the seller in some way.

Would anyone advise me?

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

Ships Wheel Purchase
 

Brian Whatcott wrote:

Folks, I bid on a ships wheel.
On eBay. And now, I need advice.

The price was low - $10 and the shipping was moderate.- $16.
So I won, and I paid fast, as I always do.

A few days later, I got an eBay note from the shipper saying he had
mistaken the shipping.
It came to $56 and could I help? And to let him know when I received
the wheel.

I was struck by the gentleness of this note.
While it is true I would not have bid on an impulse knowing the
shipping would be $56 (reminds me of those Chinese works of art - cost
$5, shipping $148) - I am inclined to favor the seller in some way.

Would anyone advise me?

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

Brian,

I see the seller is in WA... I don't know where you reside, BUT, I bought a
similar wheel early this year (Ebay) from a seller in TN... I live in CA and
the shipping on my wheel was:

Insurance: 1.30
Shipping and Handling: 9.95

Unless he is shipping FedEx overnight priority I say he is getting at you...

Stand your ground. Its his error in not checking beforehand.

Brian C

Ships Wheel Purchase
 

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:45:12 -0800, Brian Cleverly
wrote:

Brian Whatcott wrote:

Folks, I bid on a ships wheel.
On eBay. And now, I need advice.

The price was low - $10 and the shipping was moderate.- $16.
So I won, and I paid fast, as I always do.

A few days later, I got an eBay note from the shipper saying he had
mistaken the shipping.
It came to $56 and could I help? And to let him know when I received
the wheel.

I was struck by the gentleness of this note.
While it is true I would not have bid on an impulse knowing the
shipping would be $56 (reminds me of those Chinese works of art - cost
$5, shipping $148) - I am inclined to favor the seller in some way.

Would anyone advise me?

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

Brian,

I see the seller is in WA... I don't know where you reside, BUT, I bought a
similar wheel early this year (Ebay) from a seller in TN... I live in CA and
the shipping on my wheel was:

Insurance: 1.30
Shipping and Handling: 9.95

Unless he is shipping FedEx overnight priority I say he is getting at you...

Stand your ground. Its his error in not checking beforehand.

Brian C


Now THAT was an interesting response. Can I ask how big was the wheel
you bought?

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

Ships Wheel Purchase
 

If all seams fair , no scams etc why not try compromise 50/50 or so. but I
would check out real shipping cost as a reference. Live is too short to
worry
"Brian Whatcott" wrote in message
...

Folks, I bid on a ships wheel.
On eBay. And now, I need advice.

The price was low - $10 and the shipping was moderate.- $16.
So I won, and I paid fast, as I always do.

A few days later, I got an eBay note from the shipper saying he had
mistaken the shipping.
It came to $56 and could I help? And to let him know when I received
the wheel.

I was struck by the gentleness of this note.
While it is true I would not have bid on an impulse knowing the
shipping would be $56 (reminds me of those Chinese works of art - cost
$5, shipping $148) - I am inclined to favor the seller in some way.

Would anyone advise me?

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

Ships Wheel Purchase
 

Brian Whatcott wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:45:12 -0800, Brian Cleverly
wrote:


Brian Whatcott wrote:


Folks, I bid on a ships wheel.
On eBay. And now, I need advice.

The price was low - $10 and the shipping was moderate.- $16.
So I won, and I paid fast, as I always do.

A few days later, I got an eBay note from the shipper saying he had
mistaken the shipping.
It came to $56 and could I help? And to let him know when I received
the wheel.

I was struck by the gentleness of this note.
While it is true I would not have bid on an impulse knowing the
shipping would be $56 (reminds me of those Chinese works of art - cost
$5, shipping $148) - I am inclined to favor the seller in some way.

Would anyone advise me?

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

Brian,

I see the seller is in WA... I don't know where you reside, BUT, I bought a
similar wheel early this year (Ebay) from a seller in TN... I live in CA and
the shipping on my wheel was:

Insurance: 1.30
Shipping and Handling: 9.95

Unless he is shipping FedEx overnight priority I say he is getting at you...

Stand your ground. Its his error in not checking beforehand.

Brian C



Now THAT was an interesting response. Can I ask how big was the wheel
you bought?

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

20" dia... Not very heavy...

I also bought a 30" dia wheel (an original off a Fuji 35) that is super heavy,
weighs 34 lb, and the freight on that from San Diego to Sacramento was something
like $36.00.

Brian C

Ships Wheel Purchase
 

On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:21:25 -0800, Brian Cleverly
wrote:


Brian,

I see the seller is in WA... I don't know where you reside, BUT, I bought a
similar wheel early this year (Ebay) from a seller in TN... I live in CA and
the shipping on my wheel was:

Insurance: 1.30
Shipping and Handling: 9.95

Unless he is shipping FedEx overnight priority I say he is getting at you...

Stand your ground. Its his error in not checking beforehand.

Brian C



Now THAT was an interesting response. Can I ask how big was the wheel
you bought?

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

20" dia... Not very heavy...

I also bought a 30" dia wheel (an original off a Fuji 35) that is super heavy,
weighs 34 lb, and the freight on that from San Diego to Sacramento was something
like $36.00.

Brian C

Thanks for the insight

Brian W

Ships Wheel Purchase
 

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:56:35 GMT, Brian Whatcott
wrote:


Folks, I bid on a ships wheel.
On eBay. And now, I need advice.

The price was low - $10 and the shipping was moderate.- $16.
So I won, and I paid fast, as I always do.

A few days later, I got an eBay note from the shipper saying he had
mistaken the shipping.
It came to $56 and could I help? And to let him know when I received
the wheel.

I was struck by the gentleness of this note.
While it is true I would not have bid on an impulse knowing the
shipping would be $56 (reminds me of those Chinese works of art - cost
$5, shipping $148) - I am inclined to favor the seller in some way.

Would anyone advise me?

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

I would like to thank all the people who were kind enough to consider
my ethical position. It was much as Glenn warned: UPS is unkind to
bulky packages ; this one was just over an oversize boundary, so
qualifying for OS2 charges (ouch!) The handles measure about 32
inches tip to tip.

Here's what I wrote the vendor just now. I hope he thinks this is the
right thing to do.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hi Ron,

your package arrived today (thurday)
I checked the surcharge that UPS makes for this size of package -
dimensions 33 X 33 X 5 inches
Sure enough, $57 and change.

I noticed that the charge would have been $37 if the package was 4
inch thick not 5 inches.
The wheel arrived in good condition - but loose in the box - i.e. the
foam did not restrain it from the sides.
I appreciated your gentle mention of the loss you made on the
transaction. Here's what I suggest: you could have packed it in a 4
inch wide box. That would have cost $37 to ship. As it was - the UPS
calculator I used showed a $16 charge.
I think it would be a gesture of good will to offer you the shipping
cost you could have paid - $37. I paid $16 already so that would be
$21 more. If you feel that this completes the transaction with honor,
let me know, and I will forward $21 via Paypal.

Sincerely
(but sorry the deal was a loser for you....)

Regards

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

What do you think folks?

Brian

Ships Wheel Purchase
 

That is probably a fair solution.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

"Brian Whatcott" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:56:35 GMT, Brian Whatcott
wrote:


Folks, I bid on a ships wheel.
On eBay. And now, I need advice.

The price was low - $10 and the shipping was moderate.- $16.
So I won, and I paid fast, as I always do.

A few days later, I got an eBay note from the shipper saying he had
mistaken the shipping.
It came to $56 and could I help? And to let him know when I received
the wheel.

I was struck by the gentleness of this note.
While it is true I would not have bid on an impulse knowing the
shipping would be $56 (reminds me of those Chinese works of art - cost
$5, shipping $148) - I am inclined to favor the seller in some way.

Would anyone advise me?

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

I would like to thank all the people who were kind enough to consider
my ethical position. It was much as Glenn warned: UPS is unkind to
bulky packages ; this one was just over an oversize boundary, so
qualifying for OS2 charges (ouch!) The handles measure about 32
inches tip to tip.

Here's what I wrote the vendor just now. I hope he thinks this is the
right thing to do.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hi Ron,

your package arrived today (thurday)
I checked the surcharge that UPS makes for this size of package -
dimensions 33 X 33 X 5 inches
Sure enough, $57 and change.

I noticed that the charge would have been $37 if the package was 4
inch thick not 5 inches.
The wheel arrived in good condition - but loose in the box - i.e. the
foam did not restrain it from the sides.
I appreciated your gentle mention of the loss you made on the
transaction. Here's what I suggest: you could have packed it in a 4
inch wide box. That would have cost $37 to ship. As it was - the UPS
calculator I used showed a $16 charge.
I think it would be a gesture of good will to offer you the shipping
cost you could have paid - $37. I paid $16 already so that would be
$21 more. If you feel that this completes the transaction with honor,
let me know, and I will forward $21 via Paypal.

Sincerely
(but sorry the deal was a loser for you....)

Regards

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

What do you think folks?

Brian

Ships Wheel Purchase
 

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 06:53:37 -0500, "Glenn Ashmore"
wrote:

That is probably a fair solution.

He wrote that he was agreeable with this offer

Brian