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John Cassara March 8th 05 03:17 PM

Microballoons ?
 
I need to fair large deck surfaces in prep for paint. The repair thus far
has been all polyester, can I use microballons to create a polyester fairing
compound?

John



Dave March 8th 05 06:47 PM

It's highly recommended to follow the paint manufactures recommendation for
fairing. Depending on the density of the Microballons they may be too soft
to sustain long time use, causing cracks.

Dave


"John Cassara" wrote in message
...
I need to fair large deck surfaces in prep for paint. The repair thus far
has been all polyester, can I use microballons to create a polyester
fairing compound?

John




[email protected] March 9th 05 01:14 AM

Welcome to the world of 'fillers'.

See:
http://www.fiberglasssupply.com/Prod...s/fillers.html

for a pretty good basic introduction.

MW
Los Angeles


Paul Oman March 9th 05 03:38 PM

wrote:

Welcome to the world of 'fillers'.

See:
http://www.fiberglasssupply.com/Prod...s/fillers.html

for a pretty good basic introduction.

MW
Los Angeles


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wow! they are expensive at that site and they don't even tell you the
specific gravity of the microspheres (yes, microspheres come in
different sizes). Let the buyer beware!

paul oman
progressive epoxy polymers


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Jim Conlin March 9th 05 09:31 PM

Gee, I can't guess where i might find them at lower cost and with the
specific gravity data I so desperately need. Anybody got an idea?

"Paul Oman" wrote in message
...
wrote:

Welcome to the world of 'fillers'.

See:
http://www.fiberglasssupply.com/Prod...s/fillers.html

for a pretty good basic introduction.

MW
Los Angeles


----------

wow! they are expensive at that site and they don't even tell you the
specific gravity of the microspheres (yes, microspheres come in
different sizes). Let the buyer beware!

paul oman
progressive epoxy polymers


--


"Living on Earth is expensive, but it does include
a free trip around the Sun every year."


============================================
PAUL OMAN Progressive Epoxy Polymers, Inc.
Frog Pond Hollow - 48 Wildwood Dr
Pittsfield NH 03263
10-4 Monday-Thur EST 603-435-7199
VISA/MC/Discover/Paypal

http://www.epoxyproducts.com
sign-up for free email newsletter!
============================================





Glenn Ashmore March 9th 05 11:50 PM


"Paul Oman" wrote in message
...

wow! they are expensive at that site and they don't even tell you the
specific gravity of the microspheres (yes, microspheres come in
different sizes). Let the buyer beware!

paul oman
progressive epoxy polymers


Actually for any usable quantity their advertized price is far better than
yours. You only list a quart of some unknown manufacture for $3. A quart
is not going to go very far when refairing a deck. Fiberglass Supply sell
a pound which is a a little more than a gallon of 3M K-15 microballoons for
$10.58.

As far as specific gravity goes, yours is the only site that touts it. OK,
so yours is .5. That is more than a bit on the heavy side. 3M Scotchlite
bubbles comes in specific gravities from .125 to .6. Fiberglass Supply
sells K-15 which has a specific gravity of .15 which makes a much lighter
putty. The crush strength of the bare balloons is 300 PSI which is plenty
for deck repair when mixed in a resin putty. For a rundown on the 3M
Scotchlite product line see: (you may have to cut and paste the
link)http://products3.3m.com/catalog/us/e...dustry/paint_c
oatings/node_SQ4MWCTNSLge/root_GST1T4S9TCgv/vroot_Q0SJ3LJK63ge/theme_us_pain
tcoatings_3_0/command_AbcPageHandler/output_html

As for me I will stick with the brands that I know like 3M and Q-cell
depending on the application and buy in quantities that make sense. After
all microballoons don't go bad on the shelf as long as you keep them dry and
bake out pretty well if they do.

Fiberglass Supply always has the best prices for less than full roll fabric
but the best selection and prices I have found for fillers is usable
quantities are from Fiberglass Coatings Inc.
http://www.fgci.com/cgi-bin/dpsmart/...typ e_0207_01

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Glenn Ashmore

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Lew Hodgett March 10th 05 02:58 AM

"Paul Oman" writes:

wow! they are expensive at that site and they don't even tell you the
specific gravity of the microspheres (yes, microspheres come in
different sizes). Let the buyer beware!


When you have a price at least 10% below my current supplier, $19 &
change for a 30 lb bag, on my dock in Los Angeles, get back to me.

Lew

Scott March 10th 05 03:55 PM

How about diatomaceous earth as a filler.
It is the skeletons made of silica of microscopic creatures from long ago.
Has anyone tried this as a filler? I would think it would be good and cheap.

"John Cassara" wrote in message
...
I need to fair large deck surfaces in prep for paint. The repair thus far
has been all polyester, can I use microballons to create a polyester
fairing compound?

John




Glenn Ashmore March 10th 05 06:01 PM

What for? Diatomaceous earth would make it heavy and harder to sand without
adding any real strength.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

"Scott" wrote in message
...
How about diatomaceous earth as a filler.
It is the skeletons made of silica of microscopic creatures from long ago.
Has anyone tried this as a filler? I would think it would be good and

cheap.

"John Cassara" wrote in message
...
I need to fair large deck surfaces in prep for paint. The repair thus far
has been all polyester, can I use microballons to create a polyester
fairing compound?

John






Scott March 10th 05 06:40 PM

Would it really not add strength, I would think the opposite.

Yes it would be tough to sand

"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
news:tX%Xd.60176$SF.48249@lakeread08...
What for? Diatomaceous earth would make it heavy and harder to sand
without
adding any real strength.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

"Scott" wrote in message
...
How about diatomaceous earth as a filler.
It is the skeletons made of silica of microscopic creatures from long
ago.
Has anyone tried this as a filler? I would think it would be good and

cheap.

"John Cassara" wrote in message
...
I need to fair large deck surfaces in prep for paint. The repair thus
far
has been all polyester, can I use microballons to create a polyester
fairing compound?

John









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