Building ideas - 14-16 ft sailboat
 

I'm in the process of trying to decide what to build next.

Requirements:

Sail: Would prefer an unstayed mast, or a mast with simple standing
rigging. Gaff or Bermuda. Ketch/Yawl acceptable.

Length: 14-16 ft LOA, would like pretty close to that on the waterline.

Beam: 5 ft-ish

Draught: 18-24" to keel or retracted centerboard

Displacement: 1400 lb range at DWL - closer to 1000 lb lightweight for
towing

Simple cabin: sitting room with space for a little table or like /
sleeping bag or bunk

Cockpit: sized for 2 adults (3 if cozy)

Usage: large inland lakes / waterways / stays up to 2-3 days.

What I've found so far:

Bolger Micro - I've been looking at these for years... aside from the
looks - I don't like the free flooding end sections, and I don't like
the completely flat aspects. *slap* *slap*

Weekender - nicer looking boat - but doesn't seem as seaworthy as the
micro.

Macnaughton Farthing - A little heavy and a little too much draught. I
also don't like the bubble and internal cockpit. I very much like the
general hull profile.

Macnaughton Silver Gull 19 - two to three feet too long. Just a tad
too big... now if there was a 16 ft blend of this and the farthing...

Bateau AD14 - right qualities, but the design doesn't fit my fancy.

Dix Cape Cutter 19 - nice looking boat once again, but a smidge too
long.


Given my rough requirements and comments on these other designs - can
anyone recommend a design or designer that I missed? I'm considering
shifting my window up a few feet to include the 18/19 ft range. Seems
to expand my possibilities a bit.

Thanks!

Hi

Check the Cyber-Boat 5 meter ;

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cyber-...ngboat-5meter/

There are plans in the files section full-scale easyest boat to build
the framework is cut in plywood and you don't bend one single frame the
unfolded panels fit exact you could decide to route in a keel spline do
the framework in Aluminium and the panels in ply do a scale model and
know that if you maneage that the full-size is as easy as the model is
the same ribs and panels just smaller and thinner, get experience and
make sure you don't waste time and money but get exactly what you want
a fancy and safe boat.

Per Corell

Thanks for the reply, but it doesn't quite fit my requirements.

If I go up a notch in size, that also brings into play the Oughtred Eun
Mara... which, along with the Grey Seal, has to be one of the most
aesthetically mindblowing craft I've seen plans for. I'm a big fan of
the traditional look! Though I suspect that despite it's 18 or 19 foot
length - the Eun Mara is a solid notch up when it comes to
displacement, cost, launching hassle, etc.

You have an interesting problem. I'm the author of the piece in
WoodenBoat last summer about the Birdwatcher, longer than you like but
lighter (800 lbs) and awfully easy to trailer, launch and retrieve, and
tremendous fun to use. Good sailer too. You don't like the looks or the
slap, no doubt. Sam Devlin's Nancy's China or Wren? A Sabot? Do you get
Boat Design Quarterly? You'd find good ideas in back issues--boats by
Paul Gartside, for instance. Good luck. Mason Smith

I haven't seen the Oughtred desin you mention but what you'll find in
Gartside's designs is very strong traditional style. You might likd
him. Mason

Mason,

Thanks for the suggestions.

I like the looks of the Nancy's China - I'm considering ordering a set
of plans to peruse. A little light in the displacement department
though.

I checked out Paul Gartside. I was unfamiliar with his work. I very
much like the looks of a number of his designs, but once again the
lines fail me under 20 feet.

I'm a WoodenBoat subscriber, but hadn't subscribed to Boat Design
Quarterly. I believe I'll do so.

I'll have to play with some numbers and see if I'm looking for a set of
mutually exclusive criteria.

My guiding thought for the day : "What if Colin Archer had designed the
Micro?"

Do you have checked here?
http://www.bluelightning.co.uk/
http://www.whisstock.com/
http://www.jwboatdesigns.co.nz/proje...outh/index.htm

Paolo

Given my rough requirements and comments on these other designs - can
anyone recommend a design or designer that I missed? I'm considering
shifting my window up a few feet to include the 18/19 ft range. Seems
to expand my possibilities a bit.

Thanks!

Take a look at the Hartley Trailo\er Sailer
designe. I'm planning on the 18' one.

http://www.hartley-boats.com/

Frank

From the sign on the wall of a Program Office somewhe "In every project,
there comes a time to shoot the designer and go into production."

I'd suggest a slightly different approach. Find out what type of boat is
being sailed locally and buy a used one. The opportunity to race (or cruise
as a group which is the same thing) will improve your sailing immensely and
treble your fun.

The Yahoo Bolger group has discussed the slapping issue (to death) and there
is a fix.

Roger

http://derbyrm.mystarband.net/default.htm

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oups.com...
I'm in the process of trying to decide what to build next.
Requirements:
Sail: Would prefer an unstayed mast, or a mast with simple
standing rigging. Gaff or Bermuda. Ketch/Yawl acceptable.
Length: 14-16 ft LOA, would like pretty close to that on the
waterline.
Beam: 5 ft-ish
Draught: 18-24" to keel or retracted centerboard
Displacement: 1400 lb range at DWL - closer to 1000 lb
lightweight for towing
Simple cabin: sitting room with space for a little table or like /
sleeping bag or bunk
Cockpit: sized for 2 adults (3 if cozy)
Usage: large inland lakes / waterways / stays up to 2-3 days.
What I've found so far:
Bolger Micro - I've been looking at these for years... aside from
the looks - I don't like the free flooding end sections, and I don't
like the completely flat aspects. *slap* *slap*

Weekender - nicer looking boat - but doesn't seem as seaworthy
as the micro.

Macnaughton Farthing - A little heavy and a little too much draught.
I also don't like the bubble and internal cockpit. I very much like the
general hull profile.

Macnaughton Silver Gull 19 - two to three feet too long. Just a tad
too big... now if there was a 16 ft blend of this and the farthing...

Bateau AD14 - right qualities, but the design doesn't fit my fancy.

Dix Cape Cutter 19 - nice looking boat once again, but a smidge too
long.

Given my rough requirements and comments on these other designs - can
anyone recommend a design or designer that I missed? I'm considering
shifting my window up a few feet to include the 18/19 ft range. Seems
to expand my possibilities a bit.

Thanks!

"Roger Derby" ) writes:

The Yahoo Bolger group has discussed the slapping issue (to death) and there
is a fix.

1. turn up the music
2. wear ear phones or if you don't like music, earplugs
3. the problem decreases with age, your ear's not the boat's

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On 6 Feb 2005 16:04:55 GMT, (William R.
Watt) vaguely proposed a theory
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The Yahoo Bolger group has discussed the slapping issue (to death) and there
is a fix.

3. the problem decreases with age, your ear's not the boat's

I dunno. AS the boat ages it may well move withg the eaves more and
not slap as much....

On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 05:33:43 +0800, OldNick
wrote:

On 6 Feb 2005 16:04:55 GMT, (William R.
Watt) vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email

The Yahoo Bolger group has discussed the slapping issue (to death) and there
is a fix.

3. the problem decreases with age, your ear's not the boat's

I dunno. AS the boat ages it may well move withg the eaves more and
not slap as much....
Cure worse than the disease, if true.



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a


"Be careful. The toe you stepped on yesterday may be connected to the ass you have to kiss today." --Former mayor Ciancia

On 05 Feb 2005 03:04:32 GMT, (FThoma) vaguely proposed
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They certainly are a classic boat. I was checking out their page. They
actually have an "updated" cabin shape that I did not like as much as
the original, though! G

Having said that.......isn't there a danger there that while the rest
of the world has moved on, these guys are still espousing ferro cement
and traditional framed plywood construction? Stitch and glue is pretty
much the defacto standard for chine ply these days AFAICS, with
complete glass sheathing rather then the weight of frames.

Take a look at the Hartley Trailo\er Sailer
designe. I'm planning on the 18' one.

http://www.hartley-boats.com/

Frank

OldNick,

Which designs are you referring to?

The hartley is indeed a nice looking boat, but I'm continuing to
swing in the lap lap/ply direction.

As far as buying a used boat of the common local type - I enjoy
building. I'm not trying to build a cheap boat or anything along those
lines - I'm on my third boat now and this will be the fourth. The
process of boat building is where I find my "happy place"!

Thanks for the comments guys - keep them coming!

Further refinement - I can go up in LWL to about 18'. Willing to go as
high as 2000 lbs displacement. Eun Mara, Wee Seal are both front
runners right now.

Thanks!

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OldNick,

Which designs are you referring to?

The Hartley Trailer Sailors that Frank Thomas mentioned.


The hartley is indeed a nice looking boat, but I'm continuing to
swing in the lap lap/ply direction.

I can see why. Some of the designs like Eun Mara made me weep. Not
cheap though. There was mention there of Eun Mara or Grey Seal being
built for Aud$35,000???

Actually Eunamara is a famous-ishboat of a completeoy different style
IIRC.

I actually have an old glass stink boat that has a clinker style
finish. It looks good, although the boat itself is an old mess. It
also softens some pounding, I reckon, and stiffens the boat's skin.

As far as buying a used boat of the common local type - I enjoy
building. I'm not trying to build a cheap boat or anything along those
lines - I'm on my third boat now and this will be the fourth. The
process of boat building is where I find my "happy place"!

Thanks for the comments guys - keep them coming!

Further refinement - I can go up in LWL to about 18'. Willing to go as
high as 2000 lbs displacement. Eun Mara, Wee Seal are both front
runners right now.

Dunno why you bother! With all that building you will never _use_ the
thing anyway! GG I actually get as much or more from building as I
do from sailing, although I love sailing. In fact I often think I
should build boats, then buy other ones to sail. The ones I build are
too precious to me, so I spend my time worrying. I could never restore
a classic car, for instance. You _know_ ot's going to get bent one
day!

Glen-L's 15' V hull MINUET from only 11 sheets of ply.
http://www.glen-l.com/designs/sailboat/minuet.html

About the closest thing to a Potter you can build.

I built a Weekender, and it doesn't really fit your requirements ...
in my opinion, the cabin is too small for a table inside of it
(remember, it is really a 15' 9" boat, and its hard to find anything
with a usable cabin at that size). While the mast is still stayed, it
folds over onto the boom, so you can rig and launch in about 15
minutes (12 minutes from parking to rig to floating the boat off the
trailer was my personal best). Still, its a pretty good choice for
daysailing ... I love the boat.

For something different though you might check out the boats at B & B
Yacht Designs, http://www.bandbyachtdesigns.com ... especially the
Core Sound series at http://www.bandbyachtdesigns.com/cs17.htm and the
Belhaven at http://www.bandbyachtdesigns.com/bel.htm The Belhaven is
a lot of boat in 17', and has an unstayed cat ketch rig. Pretty
interesting concept.

I host the support forum for B & B at
http://www.messing-about.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=2 and my main forum
has a lot of Weekender buiilders. We're not an association of people
devoted to the boats so you'll find some honest appraisals from people
who built all three boats, including the negatives such as the lack of
ballast in the Weekender.




On 2 Feb 2005 14:27:17 -0800, wrote:

I'm in the process of trying to decide what to build next.

Requirements:

Sail: Would prefer an unstayed mast, or a mast with simple standing
rigging. Gaff or Bermuda. Ketch/Yawl acceptable.

Length: 14-16 ft LOA, would like pretty close to that on the waterline.

Beam: 5 ft-ish

Draught: 18-24" to keel or retracted centerboard

Displacement: 1400 lb range at DWL - closer to 1000 lb lightweight for
towing

Simple cabin: sitting room with space for a little table or like /
sleeping bag or bunk

Cockpit: sized for 2 adults (3 if cozy)

Usage: large inland lakes / waterways / stays up to 2-3 days.

What I've found so far:

Bolger Micro - I've been looking at these for years... aside from the
looks - I don't like the free flooding end sections, and I don't like
the completely flat aspects. *slap* *slap*

Weekender - nicer looking boat - but doesn't seem as seaworthy as the
micro.

Macnaughton Farthing - A little heavy and a little too much draught. I
also don't like the bubble and internal cockpit. I very much like the
general hull profile.

Macnaughton Silver Gull 19 - two to three feet too long. Just a tad
too big... now if there was a 16 ft blend of this and the farthing...

Bateau AD14 - right qualities, but the design doesn't fit my fancy.

Dix Cape Cutter 19 - nice looking boat once again, but a smidge too
long.


Given my rough requirements and comments on these other designs - can
anyone recommend a design or designer that I missed? I'm considering
shifting my window up a few feet to include the 18/19 ft range. Seems
to expand my possibilities a bit.

Thanks!

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