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Rob Welling November 24th 04 02:00 PM

Capt. Neal® wrote in message ...
Poor fellow! The man lost his life primarily because
of poor design by the naval architect.

Those C&Cs are a death trap in more than one way it seems.

But, to design a cruising boat with a boom so low that it
can smack you up side the head is criminal. I should think
a nice little lawsuit would straighten out C&C and the
negligent designer.

You won't find a Wm. Tripp Jr. designed cruiser with such
flaws.

CN



I' d have to disagree about the poor design by the naval architect
statement - only because there are many an older cruising boat that
don't have the benefit or newer design of today's taller rigs, so they
indeed have a lower (and longer) boom than one's head might prefer in
an accidental jibe. My 1969 Morgan 33 Classic was one helluva boat for
instance, but indeed, the boom was low enough to clobber you if you
weren't careful. When it came to design, Charley knew/knows his stuff.
I would suspect he expected those that were sailing his boats to know
theirs, too.

Anyway, I'd say if you had to place blame, it was negligence on the
skipper's part, and the poor guy that got knocked. Beyond that, what
can you do? Accidents do indeed happen. Sometimes with very
unfortunate and dire consequences.

Capt. Rob Welling
Sarasota, FL

katysails November 24th 04 08:08 PM

Bobspit died while I was gone?

wrote in message
...
Poor fellow! The man lost his life primarily because
of poor design by the naval architect.

Those C&Cs are a death trap in more than one way it seems.




DAVE HORD February 9th 05 08:49 AM

The airfoil is there in all cases, in this respect; as the sail aqttacks the
wind, reguardless of the angle, some air flows on both sides of the sail.
Wind flowing over the most leeward side of the sail creates a partial vacume
on that side, so with air pressure stronger on one side the sail is
"pushed" or "drawn" to the direction where the low pressure is.
Even with the wind directly astern, a low pressure is created on the front
of the sail, and the sail(boat) is drawn forward. Hope that is as clear as
I mean it to be. Welcome to the intoxicaion of sailing.

Dave Hord.




Capt. Mooron February 10th 05 02:43 PM

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 08:49:14 GMT, "DAVE HORD"
scribbled thusly:

The airfoil is there in all cases, in this respect; as the sail aqttacks
the
wind, reguardless of the angle, some air flows on both sides of the sail.
Wind flowing over the most leeward side of the sail creates a partial
vacume
on that side, so with air pressure stronger on one side the sail is
"pushed" or "drawn" to the direction where the low pressure is.
Even with the wind directly astern, a low pressure is created on the front
of the sail, and the sail(boat) is drawn forward. Hope that is as clear as
I mean it to be. Welcome to the intoxicaion of sailing.

Dave Hord.



OK, that's Bernoulli.

Now I'd suggest you look into Newtonian explanation of lift
ie deflection.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you



plugster February 10th 05 05:21 PM

It is a simple matter to derive "Bernoulli" using Newtonian equations and
principals. They are the same thing. One common mistake people have with
Bernoulli is using scalar speed and not vector velocity. If you use scalar
speed, Bernoulli is then only valid in "one" dimensional flow like that
approximated in pipes. Pipe flow observations is what Bernoulli used to
formulate his equations.

Mark

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:bqKOd.17903$K54.4882@edtnps84...
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 08:49:14 GMT, "DAVE HORD"
scribbled thusly:

The airfoil is there in all cases, in this respect; as the sail aqttacks
the
wind, reguardless of the angle, some air flows on both sides of the sail.
Wind flowing over the most leeward side of the sail creates a partial
vacume
on that side, so with air pressure stronger on one side the sail is
"pushed" or "drawn" to the direction where the low pressure is.
Even with the wind directly astern, a low pressure is created on the

front
of the sail, and the sail(boat) is drawn forward. Hope that is as clear

as
I mean it to be. Welcome to the intoxicaion of sailing.

Dave Hord.



OK, that's Bernoulli.

Now I'd suggest you look into Newtonian explanation of lift
ie deflection.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you





Rodney Myrvaagnes February 10th 05 06:23 PM

On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:43:19 GMT, "Capt. Mooron"
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 08:49:14 GMT, "DAVE HORD"
scribbled thusly:

The airfoil is there in all cases, in this respect; as the sail aqttacks
the
wind, reguardless of the angle, some air flows on both sides of the sail.
Wind flowing over the most leeward side of the sail creates a partial
vacume
on that side, so with air pressure stronger on one side the sail is
"pushed" or "drawn" to the direction where the low pressure is.
Even with the wind directly astern, a low pressure is created on the front
of the sail, and the sail(boat) is drawn forward. Hope that is as clear as
I mean it to be. Welcome to the intoxicaion of sailing.

Dave Hord.



OK, that's Bernoulli.

Now I'd suggest you look into Newtonian explanation of lift
ie deflection.

No conflict. Bernoulli is totally within Newtonian Physics. Neither
relativistic or quantum-mechanical.


Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a

For your upscale SUV: Dingle-balls hand knit of natural Icelandic yarn

Sebastian Miles February 10th 05 10:36 PM

Hmm, I still have that High school graduation project I did a few years
back. I explained in it how most of that works and a couple other things
with vector format and diagrams. If anyone wants it just email me.

"plugster" wrote in message
nk.net...
It is a simple matter to derive "Bernoulli" using Newtonian equations and
principals. They are the same thing. One common mistake people have with
Bernoulli is using scalar speed and not vector velocity. If you use

scalar
speed, Bernoulli is then only valid in "one" dimensional flow like that
approximated in pipes. Pipe flow observations is what Bernoulli used to
formulate his equations.

Mark

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:bqKOd.17903$K54.4882@edtnps84...
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 08:49:14 GMT, "DAVE HORD"
scribbled thusly:

The airfoil is there in all cases, in this respect; as the sail

aqttacks
the
wind, reguardless of the angle, some air flows on both sides of the

sail.
Wind flowing over the most leeward side of the sail creates a partial
vacume
on that side, so with air pressure stronger on one side the sail is
"pushed" or "drawn" to the direction where the low pressure is.
Even with the wind directly astern, a low pressure is created on the

front
of the sail, and the sail(boat) is drawn forward. Hope that is as

clear
as
I mean it to be. Welcome to the intoxicaion of sailing.

Dave Hord.



OK, that's Bernoulli.

Now I'd suggest you look into Newtonian explanation of lift
ie deflection.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you







DSK February 11th 05 02:21 AM

Sebastian Miles wrote:
Hmm, I still have that High school graduation project I did a few years
back. I explained in it how most of that works and a couple other things
with vector format and diagrams. If anyone wants it just email me.


Sure, I'd like to see it. (email sent)

DSK



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