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Sami October 27th 04 12:54 AM

Space to build a boat?
 
Hi all

I have been planning to build a steel kit boat (something along the
lines of a Bruce Roberts Spray 40) but I need the space! Where do you
look?

I live near Manhattan. The few places that do lease out
manufacturing/industrial property around here are either WAY too
expensive and offer only large lots (min 5000 sq feet, but I only need
1400 sq ft max) and require a LOT of paperwork.

At this point I am considering renting a lot on a farm or something
somewhere far inland - maybe even Mexico or Canada - and hope that I
can still somehow get a trailer and a crane to my site to cart it off
(this boat on a trailer will probably be taller than 15 feet - how
would it get through an underpass or bridge?) I'd be willing to rent
out my house and live in a trailer on the lot!

Any hints or suggestions?

Any former boatbuilders who can make me a decent offer?

Thanks
Sam


Scott Vernon October 27th 04 02:15 AM

Buy / rent a barn in PA, then haul it to Philly or Baltimore or Jersey
to splash. 15' high is not a big deal.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_


"Sami" wrote in message
om...
Hi all

I have been planning to build a steel kit boat (something along the
lines of a Bruce Roberts Spray 40) but I need the space! Where do

you
look?

I live near Manhattan. The few places that do lease out
manufacturing/industrial property around here are either WAY too
expensive and offer only large lots (min 5000 sq feet, but I only

need
1400 sq ft max) and require a LOT of paperwork.

At this point I am considering renting a lot on a farm or something
somewhere far inland - maybe even Mexico or Canada - and hope that I
can still somehow get a trailer and a crane to my site to cart it

off
(this boat on a trailer will probably be taller than 15 feet - how
would it get through an underpass or bridge?) I'd be willing to rent
out my house and live in a trailer on the lot!

Any hints or suggestions?

Any former boatbuilders who can make me a decent offer?

Thanks
Sam




Evan Gatehouse October 27th 04 06:39 AM

wrote in message

Assuming that your boat is not too long (e.g., 40' is the max length of a
trailer in N.J.) and not too wide for you to get a Wide Load Permit to

move
it over the highways, as your recognize, you have the height problem to

deal
with.


So get a wide load permit and move it on a Sunday morning if it is really
big. 40' boats are moved all the time on the highways.

The Eastern states have 13' 6" max. height. You might have to build
the hull in an inland location and then add the upper structure at the
shore. That's what was done with my parents' 32' cabin cruiser. Chris
Craft shipped it without the windshield and hardtop being mounted, and

then
the dealer mounted them.


The usual way this is dealt with is that the truck takes the exit at an
overpass and goes _around_ the height restriction. They also avoid the
interstates if required.

I've seen some pretty big sailboats moving along the highways. Pick a
location reasonably near the water if you want, but I think proximity to a
large city is more important (for shopping for those items you forgot to get
on a given day).

I agree that Manhattan is out of the question with cost for a space and a
typical farmer's barn is what you need to be looking for. Mexico and Canada
aren't required, just a semi-rural part of PA, NJ, or NY perhaps.

Heck you think you have problems with a 40' x what 12'-14' wide boat?

Check out this site (scroll to the bottom of the menu on left and click "On
to San Francisco"). That boat has to be 24' wide or so...
http://svrikki.net/RTT/On2SF.html

Good luck.


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(fools the spammers)



William R. Watt October 27th 04 02:54 PM


Sami ) writes:

At this point I am considering renting a lot on a farm or something
somewhere far inland - maybe even Mexico or Canada - and hope that I


you could launch a boat anywhere along the Hudson River.
I don't know how trendy life along the Hudson is or how much real estate
rents for up river. I do know that in this area when they zone land
agricultural it lowers the value considerably and ****es off the farmers.

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Scott Vernon October 27th 04 04:07 PM


wrote

Assuming that your boat is not too long (e.g., 40' is the max length

of a
trailer in N.J.)



No it's not. 53'ers are commomn trailers now-a-days.

and not too wide for you to get a Wide Load Permit to move
it over the highways,


Keep it under 20' wide and you'll have no problems getting permits.


as your recognize, you have the height problem to deal
with. The Eastern states have 13' 6" max. height.



Actually, 14' without a permit. With a permit , 18' or more.



You might have to build
the hull in an inland location and then add the upper structure at

the
shore. That's what was done with my parents' 32' cabin cruiser.

Chris
Craft shipped it without the windshield and hardtop being mounted,

and then
the dealer mounted them.



That's SOP for big stink potters. It saves money.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_






Scott Vernon October 27th 04 04:13 PM


"Evan Gatehouse" wrote

So get a wide load permit and move it on a Sunday morning if it is

really
big. 40' boats are moved all the time on the highways.


Evan, you can't move oversize loads on Sundays. Or, after noon on
Saturday (most eastern states).

--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_








HotRod October 27th 04 04:16 PM

Otherwise start looking along the great lakes, tons of farmers within
walking distance of the lakes, most of them with old barns and second houses
I know a few farmers that have both the lake close by, a house to rent and
extra barns. BUT winters would be tough to work through. If your seriously
interested I can talk to a few of them located in Southern Ontario, marine
shops and home depot are 1/2 hour away.



Wayne.B October 27th 04 08:04 PM

On 27 Oct 2004 13:54:09 GMT, (William R.
Watt) wrote:

you could launch a boat anywhere along the Hudson River.


=================================

I was thinking along that line also, perhaps the upper Hudson region
north of Poughkeeppsie. One specific location to check out is in the
vicinity of Rondout Creek near Kingston, NY. It is an interesting
combination of industrial/rural/deep water.


John Cassara October 28th 04 01:01 PM

You could also consider Long Island. Lots of empty warehouse type locations
lot of marinas and transporters.

You mention overpasses as the obsticle, there not your problemwith
transporting. Its power lines they are all over the place and often lower
than they should be legally.


"Evan Gatehouse" wrote in message
...
wrote in message

Assuming that your boat is not too long (e.g., 40' is the max length of a
trailer in N.J.) and not too wide for you to get a Wide Load Permit to

move
it over the highways, as your recognize, you have the height problem to

deal
with.


So get a wide load permit and move it on a Sunday morning if it is really
big. 40' boats are moved all the time on the highways.

The Eastern states have 13' 6" max. height. You might have to build
the hull in an inland location and then add the upper structure at the
shore. That's what was done with my parents' 32' cabin cruiser. Chris
Craft shipped it without the windshield and hardtop being mounted, and

then
the dealer mounted them.


The usual way this is dealt with is that the truck takes the exit at an
overpass and goes _around_ the height restriction. They also avoid the
interstates if required.

I've seen some pretty big sailboats moving along the highways. Pick a
location reasonably near the water if you want, but I think proximity to a
large city is more important (for shopping for those items you forgot to
get
on a given day).

I agree that Manhattan is out of the question with cost for a space and a
typical farmer's barn is what you need to be looking for. Mexico and
Canada
aren't required, just a semi-rural part of PA, NJ, or NY perhaps.

Heck you think you have problems with a 40' x what 12'-14' wide boat?

Check out this site (scroll to the bottom of the menu on left and click
"On
to San Francisco"). That boat has to be 24' wide or so...
http://svrikki.net/RTT/On2SF.html

Good luck.


--
Evan Gatehouse

you'll have to rewrite my email address to get to me
ceilydh AT 3web dot net
(fools the spammers)





Tom Hunter October 28th 04 01:27 PM

Look for space in the older (post) industrial cities along the Hudson. Call
a realestate agent in places like Newburg. Your looking for commerical
space find some one who deals in that and spend 10 minutes on the phone.
Doesn't take long and you might get lucky.


"Sami" wrote in message
om...
Hi all

I have been planning to build a steel kit boat (something along the
lines of a Bruce Roberts Spray 40) but I need the space! Where do you
look?

I live near Manhattan. The few places that do lease out
manufacturing/industrial property around here are either WAY too
expensive and offer only large lots (min 5000 sq feet, but I only need
1400 sq ft max) and require a LOT of paperwork.

At this point I am considering renting a lot on a farm or something
somewhere far inland - maybe even Mexico or Canada - and hope that I
can still somehow get a trailer and a crane to my site to cart it off
(this boat on a trailer will probably be taller than 15 feet - how
would it get through an underpass or bridge?) I'd be willing to rent
out my house and live in a trailer on the lot!

Any hints or suggestions?

Any former boatbuilders who can make me a decent offer?

Thanks
Sam





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