Epoxy Over Polyester
 

Any comment if Epoxy over Polyester will work?

Epoxy Over Polyester
 

My news wrote:
Any comment if Epoxy over Polyester will work?

No problem if the polyester is *well* cured. Months or years not weeks.
Abrade surface thoroughly first.

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On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 21:49:40 +0000, IanM
wrote:

My news wrote:
Any comment if Epoxy over Polyester will work?

No problem if the polyester is *well* cured. Months or years not weeks.
Abrade surface thoroughly first.

Also make sure you de-wax the surface before sanding.

Epoxy Over Polyester
 

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:25:56 -0800, "My news" wrote:

Any comment if Epoxy over Polyester will work?

The preferred method of repairing damage to polyester boats.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Epoxy Over Polyester
 

Per My news:
Any comment if Epoxy over Polyester will work?

I did it when replacing the fiberglass tape that covered the
deck/hull seam on a surf ski that was over 5 years old - maybe
closer to 10.

Seemed tb holding up a-ok when I finally got rid of the ski.
--
PeteCresswell

Epoxy Over Polyester
 

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 01:59:20 GMT, Dan@ (Pirateer guy) wrote:

On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 21:49:40 +0000, IanM
wrote:

My news wrote:
Any comment if Epoxy over Polyester will work?

No problem if the polyester is *well* cured. Months or years not weeks.
Abrade surface thoroughly first.

Also make sure you de-wax the surface before sanding.
Ummm what wax?

Epoxy Over Polyester
 

On 2 Jan 2009 20:54:02 -0600, nothermark wrote:

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 01:59:20 GMT, Dan@ (Pirateer guy) wrote:

On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 21:49:40 +0000, IanM
wrote:

My news wrote:
Any comment if Epoxy over Polyester will work?

No problem if the polyester is *well* cured. Months or years not weeks.
Abrade surface thoroughly first.

Also make sure you de-wax the surface before sanding.
Ummm what wax?

Polyester uses a free radical cure with the reactive diluent styrene.
Oxygen activates the inhibitor, so a wax is incorporated into the
resin-styrene solution. The wax migrates to the surface during cure
to prevent oxygen exposure and allow complete cure. Otherwise, the
stuff won't cure on the surface. You need to remove this residual wax
as it'll prevent adhesion of the epoxy.

Pete Keillor

Epoxy Over Polyester
 

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:14:36 -0500, Pete Keillor
wrote:

On 2 Jan 2009 20:54:02 -0600, nothermark wrote:

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 01:59:20 GMT, Dan@ (Pirateer guy) wrote:

On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 21:49:40 +0000, IanM
wrote:

My news wrote:
Any comment if Epoxy over Polyester will work?

No problem if the polyester is *well* cured. Months or years not weeks.
Abrade surface thoroughly first.

Also make sure you de-wax the surface before sanding.
Ummm what wax?

Polyester uses a free radical cure with the reactive diluent styrene.
Oxygen activates the inhibitor, so a wax is incorporated into the
resin-styrene solution. The wax migrates to the surface during cure
to prevent oxygen exposure and allow complete cure. Otherwise, the
stuff won't cure on the surface. You need to remove this residual wax
as it'll prevent adhesion of the epoxy.

Pete Keillor

But won't sanding take care of that?

Epoxy Over Polyester
 

nothermark wrote:
On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:14:36 -0500, Pete Keillor
wrote:

On 2 Jan 2009 20:54:02 -0600, nothermark wrote:

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 01:59:20 GMT, Dan@ (Pirateer guy) wrote:

On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 21:49:40 +0000, IanM
wrote:

My news wrote:
Any comment if Epoxy over Polyester will work?

No problem if the polyester is *well* cured. Months or years not weeks.
Abrade surface thoroughly first.

Also make sure you de-wax the surface before sanding.
Ummm what wax?
Polyester uses a free radical cure with the reactive diluent styrene.
Oxygen activates the inhibitor, so a wax is incorporated into the
resin-styrene solution. The wax migrates to the surface during cure
to prevent oxygen exposure and allow complete cure. Otherwise, the
stuff won't cure on the surface. You need to remove this residual wax
as it'll prevent adhesion of the epoxy.

Pete Keillor

But won't sanding take care of that?


Depends on how aggressively you sand.

If you take the entire gel coat off, yeah, it's probably all gone.

If you are just scuffing the gel coat (not good) it's possible the wax just
gets smushed around and is still on the surface - and will contaminate the bond.


God is in the details, as they say...

Epoxy Over Polyester
 

cavelamb wrote:
nothermark wrote:
On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:14:36 -0500, Pete Keillor
wrote:

On 2 Jan 2009 20:54:02 -0600, nothermark wrote:

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 01:59:20 GMT, Dan@ (Pirateer guy) wrote:

On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 21:49:40 +0000, IanM
wrote:

My news wrote:
Any comment if Epoxy over Polyester will work?

No problem if the polyester is *well* cured. Months or years not
weeks.
Abrade surface thoroughly first.

Also make sure you de-wax the surface before sanding.
Ummm what wax?
Polyester uses a free radical cure with the reactive diluent styrene.
Oxygen activates the inhibitor, so a wax is incorporated into the
resin-styrene solution. The wax migrates to the surface during cure
to prevent oxygen exposure and allow complete cure. Otherwise, the
stuff won't cure on the surface. You need to remove this residual wax
as it'll prevent adhesion of the epoxy.

Pete Keillor

But won't sanding take care of that?


Depends on how aggressively you sand.

If you take the entire gel coat off, yeah, it's probably all gone.

If you are just scuffing the gel coat (not good) it's possible the wax just
gets smushed around and is still on the surface - and will contaminate
the bond.


God is in the details, as they say...
36 grit flap wheel aggressive enough? Or my other favourite, 24 grit
sanding disks on an anglegrinder :-)

--
Ian Malcolm. London, ENGLAND. (NEWSGROUP REPLY PREFERRED)
ianm[at]the[dash]malcolms[dot]freeserve[dot]co[dot]uk
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On 3 Jan 2009 09:17:01 -0600, nothermark wrote:

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:14:36 -0500, Pete Keillor
wrote:

On 2 Jan 2009 20:54:02 -0600, nothermark wrote:

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 01:59:20 GMT, Dan@ (Pirateer guy) wrote:

On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 21:49:40 +0000, IanM
wrote:

My news wrote:
Any comment if Epoxy over Polyester will work?

No problem if the polyester is *well* cured. Months or years not weeks.
Abrade surface thoroughly first.

Also make sure you de-wax the surface before sanding.
Ummm what wax?

Polyester uses a free radical cure with the reactive diluent styrene.
Oxygen activates the inhibitor, so a wax is incorporated into the
resin-styrene solution. The wax migrates to the surface during cure
to prevent oxygen exposure and allow complete cure. Otherwise, the
stuff won't cure on the surface. You need to remove this residual wax
as it'll prevent adhesion of the epoxy.

Pete Keillor

But won't sanding take care of that?

Of course it will.

If you are going to make a repair to a fiberglass structure you will
want to sand off all the paint or gelcoat, right down to bare
fiberglass, usually using a fairly aggressive sandpaper - 24 grit, for
example. This will eliminate any wax that might have remained after
the original polyester was applied. After sanding wipe the area with
acetone and clean wipes, paper towels, etc.

That is about all there is to it. Regardless what you are bonding to,
aggressive sandpaper to give a good coarse finish for the epoxy to
bond to and clean.

One last caveat. There are basically two types of fiberglass cloth.
One for use with polyester and one for epoxy. The "epoxy" cloth can be
used with polyester but the "polyester" cloth cannot be used with
epoxy. The reason is that some kinds of "polyester" cloth is made with
a "starch" or binder that dissolves in polyester but not in epoxy and
epoxy will not completely wet that type of cloth.

Everyone in the business know about this so when you buy cloth just
specify that it for use with "XXXXXX" resin.
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Epoxy Over Polyester
 

Polyester uses a free radical cure with the reactive diluent styrene.
Oxygen activates the inhibitor, so a wax is incorporated into the
resin-styrene solution. The wax migrates to the surface during cure
to prevent oxygen exposure and allow complete cure. Otherwise, the
stuff won't cure on the surface. You need to remove this residual wax
as it'll prevent adhesion of the epoxy.

Pete Keillor
Well-said Pete. I don't think sanding will every remove all of it.
Sanding could possibly just keep spreading it around. Use a wax
remover and don' look back.

"Quote from Awlgrip web site"

Awlprep Plus Wax & Grease Remover is used to remove wax residue and
grease from substrates. A medium-fast evaporating, strong, solvent
designed to remove waxes, oils, and greases commonly found on painted
surfaces, new or aged gelcoat, aluminum, or steel. Use before and
after sanding the substrate prior to priming. Always dewax before
sanding. Do not use on freshly applied primers or topcoats. It is
photochemically reactive.

Epoxy Over Polyester
 

nothermark wrote:
On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:14:36 -0500, Pete Keillor
wrote:

On 2 Jan 2009 20:54:02 -0600, nothermark wrote:

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 01:59:20 GMT, Dan@ (Pirateer guy) wrote:

On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 21:49:40 +0000, IanM
wrote:

My news wrote:
Any comment if Epoxy over Polyester will work?

No problem if the polyester is *well* cured. Months or years not weeks.
Abrade surface thoroughly first.

Also make sure you de-wax the surface before sanding.
Ummm what wax?
Polyester uses a free radical cure with the reactive diluent styrene.
Oxygen activates the inhibitor, so a wax is incorporated into the
resin-styrene solution. The wax migrates to the surface during cure
to prevent oxygen exposure and allow complete cure. Otherwise, the
stuff won't cure on the surface. You need to remove this residual wax
as it'll prevent adhesion of the epoxy.

Pete Keillor

But won't sanding take care of that?

Not necessarily. If you're not removing a lot of material, you'll end up
sanding the wax INTO the surface, where it can cause adhesion problems.
The best bet is to remove it with a solvent before you do any sanding.
That eliminates any chance of contaminating the surface.