Atlantic Hurricane Activity
 

Report found he

http://www.coaps.fsu.edu/~maue/tropical/

Recent historical Northern Hemisphere tropical cyclone inactivity is
compared with the strikingly large observed variability during the past
three decades. Yearly totals of Northern Hemisphere ACE are highly
correlated with boreal spring sea-surface temperatures in the North Pacific
Ocean and are representative of an evolving dual-gyre, trans-hemispheric
correlation pattern throughout the calendar year. The offsetting nature of
EPAC and NATL basin integrated energy and the strong dependence of combined
Pacific TC activity upon ENSO suggest a hypothesis that overall Northern
Hemisphere TC behavior is largely modulated by global-scale, non-local
climate variability.

Yet:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0130130647.htm

Finds that sea surface warming increased hurricane activity by 40%.

Peer reviewed Natu

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture06422.html

"Large contribution of sea surface warming to recent increase in Atlantic
hurricane activity"


These fine, peer reviewed papers are contradicted by measurements in the
first link.


How can actual data contradict the consensus?


What happened to the highly accurate models?


Science is based upon understanding to predict outcomes.


If it's not predicting outcomes, it's not science nor understanding.

Atlantic Hurricane Activity
 

On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:21:02 -0700, Charles Momsen wrote:

Report found he

http://www.coaps.fsu.edu/~maue/tropical/

Recent historical Northern Hemisphere tropical cyclone inactivity is
compared with the strikingly large observed variability during the past
three decades. Yearly totals of Northern Hemisphere ACE are highly
correlated with boreal spring sea-surface temperatures in the North
Pacific Ocean and are representative of an evolving dual-gyre,
trans-hemispheric correlation pattern throughout the calendar year. The
offsetting nature of EPAC and NATL basin integrated energy and the
strong dependence of combined Pacific TC activity upon ENSO suggest a
hypothesis that overall Northern Hemisphere TC behavior is largely
modulated by global-scale, non-local climate variability.

Yet:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0130130647.htm

Finds that sea surface warming increased hurricane activity by 40%.

Peer reviewed Natu

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture06422.html

"Large contribution of sea surface warming to recent increase in
Atlantic hurricane activity"


These fine, peer reviewed papers are contradicted by measurements in the
first link.


How can actual data contradict the consensus?


What happened to the highly accurate models?


Science is based upon understanding to predict outcomes.


If it's not predicting outcomes, it's not science nor understanding.

How come we have an overactive hurricane season in '05 and 08 and
everyone blames gobal warming. We have lower than normal activity in'06
and '07 and global temps are never mentioned?

Atlantic Hurricane Activity
 

"Ken Marino" wrote in message
m...
troll sh*t removed
How come we have an overactive hurricane season in '05 and 08 and
everyone blames gobal warming. We have lower than normal activity in'06
and '07 and global temps are never mentioned?

never?? Do a bit more research.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Atlantic Hurricane Activity
 

On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:07:22 -0600, Ken Marino
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:21:02 -0700, Charles Momsen wrote:

Report found he

http://www.coaps.fsu.edu/~maue/tropical/

Recent historical Northern Hemisphere tropical cyclone inactivity is
compared with the strikingly large observed variability during the past
three decades. Yearly totals of Northern Hemisphere ACE are highly
correlated with boreal spring sea-surface temperatures in the North
Pacific Ocean and are representative of an evolving dual-gyre,
trans-hemispheric correlation pattern throughout the calendar year. The
offsetting nature of EPAC and NATL basin integrated energy and the
strong dependence of combined Pacific TC activity upon ENSO suggest a
hypothesis that overall Northern Hemisphere TC behavior is largely
modulated by global-scale, non-local climate variability.

Yet:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0130130647.htm

Finds that sea surface warming increased hurricane activity by 40%.

Peer reviewed Natu

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture06422.html

"Large contribution of sea surface warming to recent increase in
Atlantic hurricane activity"


These fine, peer reviewed papers are contradicted by measurements in the
first link.


How can actual data contradict the consensus?


What happened to the highly accurate models?


Science is based upon understanding to predict outcomes.


If it's not predicting outcomes, it's not science nor understanding.

How come we have an overactive hurricane season in '05 and 08 and
everyone blames gobal warming. We have lower than normal activity in'06
and '07 and global temps are never mentioned?

For openers, Ken, Climate and weather are not interchangable terms.
The ice age, as an example, was not just a streak of cold weather. It
also lasted a little longer than a few years.

Atlantic Hurricane Activity
 

On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:17:34 -0800, Capt. JG wrote:

"Ken Marino" wrote in message
m... troll sh*t
removed
How come we have an overactive hurricane season in '05 and 08 and
everyone blames gobal warming. We have lower than normal activity in'06
and '07 and global temps are never mentioned?

never?? Do a bit more research.

You know as well as anyone that the word is overused. There are certainly
a lot more people blaming high count hurricane years on warming than
there are eople that question that kind of statement in the off years.

Atlantic Hurricane Activity
 

"Ken Marino" wrote in message
m...
On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:21:02 -0700, Charles Momsen wrote:

Report found he

http://www.coaps.fsu.edu/~maue/tropical/

Recent historical Northern Hemisphere tropical cyclone inactivity is
compared with the strikingly large observed variability during the past
three decades. Yearly totals of Northern Hemisphere ACE are highly
correlated with boreal spring sea-surface temperatures in the North
Pacific Ocean and are representative of an evolving dual-gyre,
trans-hemispheric correlation pattern throughout the calendar year. The
offsetting nature of EPAC and NATL basin integrated energy and the
strong dependence of combined Pacific TC activity upon ENSO suggest a
hypothesis that overall Northern Hemisphere TC behavior is largely
modulated by global-scale, non-local climate variability.

Yet:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0130130647.htm

Finds that sea surface warming increased hurricane activity by 40%.

Peer reviewed Natu

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture06422.html

"Large contribution of sea surface warming to recent increase in
Atlantic hurricane activity"


These fine, peer reviewed papers are contradicted by measurements in the
first link.


How can actual data contradict the consensus?


What happened to the highly accurate models?


Science is based upon understanding to predict outcomes.


If it's not predicting outcomes, it's not science nor understanding.

How come we have an overactive hurricane season in '05 and 08 and
everyone blames gobal warming. We have lower than normal activity in'06
and '07 and global temps are never mentioned?

The most humorous thing is that warmer ocean temperatures actually reduce
hurricane intensity.

Here's some more sand in the global warming gears:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1101093713.htm

Atlantic Hurricane Activity
 

"Ken Marino" wrote in message
m...
On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:17:34 -0800, Capt. JG wrote:

"Ken Marino" wrote in message
m... troll sh*t
removed
How come we have an overactive hurricane season in '05 and 08 and
everyone blames gobal warming. We have lower than normal activity in'06
and '07 and global temps are never mentioned?

never?? Do a bit more research.

You know as well as anyone that the word is overused. There are certainly
a lot more people blaming high count hurricane years on warming than
there are eople that question that kind of statement in the off years.


I agree, but you used the word never, which indicated lack of research. I
apologize for the implication.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Atlantic Hurricane Activity
 

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:07:22 -0600, Ken Marino
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:21:02 -0700, Charles Momsen wrote:

Report found he

http://www.coaps.fsu.edu/~maue/tropical/

Recent historical Northern Hemisphere tropical cyclone inactivity is
compared with the strikingly large observed variability during the past
three decades. Yearly totals of Northern Hemisphere ACE are highly
correlated with boreal spring sea-surface temperatures in the North
Pacific Ocean and are representative of an evolving dual-gyre,
trans-hemispheric correlation pattern throughout the calendar year. The
offsetting nature of EPAC and NATL basin integrated energy and the
strong dependence of combined Pacific TC activity upon ENSO suggest a
hypothesis that overall Northern Hemisphere TC behavior is largely
modulated by global-scale, non-local climate variability.

Yet:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0130130647.htm

Finds that sea surface warming increased hurricane activity by 40%.

Peer reviewed Natu

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture06422.html

"Large contribution of sea surface warming to recent increase in
Atlantic hurricane activity"


These fine, peer reviewed papers are contradicted by measurements in the
first link.


How can actual data contradict the consensus?


What happened to the highly accurate models?


Science is based upon understanding to predict outcomes.


If it's not predicting outcomes, it's not science nor understanding.

How come we have an overactive hurricane season in '05 and 08 and
everyone blames gobal warming. We have lower than normal activity in'06
and '07 and global temps are never mentioned?

For openers, Ken, Climate and weather are not interchangable terms.
The ice age, as an example, was not just a streak of cold weather. It
also lasted a little longer than a few years.


I heard it was three months vs. two. LOL

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Atlantic Hurricane Activity
 

Capt. JG wrote:
"Ken Marino" wrote in message
m...
On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:17:34 -0800, Capt. JG wrote:

"Ken Marino" wrote in message
m... troll sh*t
removed
How come we have an overactive hurricane season in '05 and 08 and
everyone blames gobal warming. We have lower than normal activity in'06
and '07 and global temps are never mentioned?
never?? Do a bit more research.
You know as well as anyone that the word is overused. There are certainly
a lot more people blaming high count hurricane years on warming than
there are eople that question that kind of statement in the off years.


I agree, but you used the word never, which indicated lack of research. I
apologize for the implication.



"Never, is an awfully big word to use in the world of science" (sic)
Justice Felix Frankfurter,,, way back in the thirties during a a case
where in one party claimed that colour TV would never be possible...

Cheers
Martin

Atlantic Hurricane Activity
 

"Marty" wrote in message
...
Capt. JG wrote:
"Ken Marino" wrote in message
m...
On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:17:34 -0800, Capt. JG wrote:

"Ken Marino" wrote in message
m... troll sh*t
removed
How come we have an overactive hurricane season in '05 and 08 and
everyone blames gobal warming. We have lower than normal activity
in'06
and '07 and global temps are never mentioned?
never?? Do a bit more research.
You know as well as anyone that the word is overused. There are
certainly
a lot more people blaming high count hurricane years on warming than
there are eople that question that kind of statement in the off years.


I agree, but you used the word never, which indicated lack of research. I
apologize for the implication.



"Never, is an awfully big word to use in the world of science" (sic)
Justice Felix Frankfurter,,, way back in the thirties during a a case
where in one party claimed that colour TV would never be possible...

Cheers
Martin


There color tv??? Hmmmm....


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Atlantic Hurricane Activity
 

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 23:47:28 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Marty" wrote in message
...
Capt. JG wrote:
"Ken Marino" wrote in message
m...
On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:17:34 -0800, Capt. JG wrote:

"Ken Marino" wrote in message
m... troll sh*t
removed
How come we have an overactive hurricane season in '05 and 08 and
everyone blames gobal warming. We have lower than normal activity
in'06
and '07 and global temps are never mentioned?
never?? Do a bit more research.
You know as well as anyone that the word is overused. There are
certainly
a lot more people blaming high count hurricane years on warming than
there are eople that question that kind of statement in the off years.


I agree, but you used the word never, which indicated lack of research. I
apologize for the implication.



"Never, is an awfully big word to use in the world of science" (sic)
Justice Felix Frankfurter,,, way back in the thirties during a a case
where in one party claimed that colour TV would never be possible...

Cheers
Martin


There color tv??? Hmmmm....

Some folks thought there would never be a color president, either...

Dave's pretty freaked out.