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My recent employer, as a going away gift (bribe?), gave me a gift
certificate for some sailing time at South Coast Sailing Adventures out of
Kemah, TX. I have decided to apply it to sailing lessons, beginning with
ASA 101 through basic coastal cruising, and bareboat charting. I figure
this will give me an opportunity to find out if I am still capable of
sailing and enjoying it as much as 25 years ago. Also, I will be staying
aboard rather than spending the nights at a motel during class periods.
($50.00 a night).

First up is a two day session beginning next Thursday. Hopefully I will
meet some folks in the area who need (or at least will settle for) some
inexperienced crew help.

Any suggestions or helpful advice will be greatly appreciated.

jlrogers±³©
"Those who would give up a little freedom to get a little security shall
soon have neither." Benjamin Franklin

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"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
...
My recent employer, as a going away gift (bribe?), gave me a gift
certificate for some sailing time at South Coast Sailing Adventures out of
Kemah, TX. I have decided to apply it to sailing lessons, beginning with
ASA 101 through basic coastal cruising, and bareboat charting. I figure
this will give me an opportunity to find out if I am still capable of
sailing and enjoying it as much as 25 years ago. Also, I will be staying
aboard rather than spending the nights at a motel during class periods.
($50.00 a night).

First up is a two day session beginning next Thursday. Hopefully I will
meet some folks in the area who need (or at least will settle for) some
inexperienced crew help.

Any suggestions or helpful advice will be greatly appreciated.

jlrogers±³©
"Those who would give up a little freedom to get a little security shall
soon have neither." Benjamin Franklin



Sounds like a great experience in the offing... I think you'll enjoy the
class, and my bet is that it'll reenforce your perceptions about your
previous experiences. I'm not sure what the conditions are like in Kemah,
but one thing to be mindful of is the proper clothing and preparation w.r.t.
avoiding being seasick. Out here, it doesn't take much for the level of
anxiety some students have during a class, coupled with the wrong kind of
clothing (e.g., too much or too little) and/or too much or too little food
in the belly, to cause a problem.


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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
easolutions...
"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
...
My recent employer, as a going away gift (bribe?), gave me a gift
certificate for some sailing time at South Coast Sailing Adventures out
of Kemah, TX. I have decided to apply it to sailing lessons, beginning
with ASA 101 through basic coastal cruising, and bareboat charting. I
figure this will give me an opportunity to find out if I am still capable
of sailing and enjoying it as much as 25 years ago. Also, I will be
staying aboard rather than spending the nights at a motel during class
periods. ($50.00 a night).

First up is a two day session beginning next Thursday. Hopefully I will
meet some folks in the area who need (or at least will settle for) some
inexperienced crew help.

Any suggestions or helpful advice will be greatly appreciated.

jlrogers±³©
"Those who would give up a little freedom to get a little security shall
soon have neither." Benjamin Franklin



Sounds like a great experience in the offing... I think you'll enjoy the
class, and my bet is that it'll reenforce your perceptions about your
previous experiences. I'm not sure what the conditions are like in Kemah,
but one thing to be mindful of is the proper clothing and preparation
w.r.t. avoiding being seasick. Out here, it doesn't take much for the
level of anxiety some students have during a class, coupled with the wrong
kind of clothing (e.g., too much or too little) and/or too much or too
little food in the belly, to cause a problem.


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www.sailnow.com


Good advice. In four years at sea on a destroyer, and four or five years of
sailing, in all kinds of weather, including a couple of typhoons, I was
seasick only once and that was on a beautiful day on a flat, glassy sea.
It was on the USS Boyd DD544, in the western Pacific. We were chasing a
carrier at 34 knots and the ship and her deck plates were vibrating so bad
it made me (and most others aboard) as sick as a sea scout on his maiden
voyage.

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"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
...

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
easolutions...
"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
...
My recent employer, as a going away gift (bribe?), gave me a gift
certificate for some sailing time at South Coast Sailing Adventures out
of Kemah, TX. I have decided to apply it to sailing lessons, beginning
with ASA 101 through basic coastal cruising, and bareboat charting. I
figure this will give me an opportunity to find out if I am still
capable of sailing and enjoying it as much as 25 years ago. Also, I
will be staying aboard rather than spending the nights at a motel during
class periods. ($50.00 a night).

First up is a two day session beginning next Thursday. Hopefully I will
meet some folks in the area who need (or at least will settle for) some
inexperienced crew help.

Any suggestions or helpful advice will be greatly appreciated.

jlrogers±³©
"Those who would give up a little freedom to get a little security shall
soon have neither." Benjamin Franklin



Sounds like a great experience in the offing... I think you'll enjoy the
class, and my bet is that it'll reenforce your perceptions about your
previous experiences. I'm not sure what the conditions are like in Kemah,
but one thing to be mindful of is the proper clothing and preparation
w.r.t. avoiding being seasick. Out here, it doesn't take much for the
level of anxiety some students have during a class, coupled with the
wrong kind of clothing (e.g., too much or too little) and/or too much or
too little food in the belly, to cause a problem.


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com


Good advice. In four years at sea on a destroyer, and four or five years
of sailing, in all kinds of weather, including a couple of typhoons, I was
seasick only once and that was on a beautiful day on a flat, glassy sea.
It was on the USS Boyd DD544, in the western Pacific. We were chasing a
carrier at 34 knots and the ship and her deck plates were vibrating so bad
it made me (and most others aboard) as sick as a sea scout on his maiden
voyage.


It's interesting that sometimes fairly nasty conditions yield no problem,
when the benign stuff causes problems. I'm usually more prone as the
conditions deteriorate, but I usually recover pretty quickly.

I had the opposite situation happen while sailing out of Santa Cruz several
years ago. It was a beautiful and calm day with light air and lazy,
no-dramatic swells. You could see this from shore. We were on a 45' sloop.
Yet, I started to feel quesy on the foredeck. Moved back to the cockpit and
felt better, but if I would have stayed forward....

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On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:19:43 -0500, "jlrogers±³©"
wrote:



Good advice. In four years at sea on a destroyer, and four or five years of
sailing, in all kinds of weather, including a couple of typhoons, I was
seasick only once and that was on a beautiful day on a flat, glassy sea.
It was on the USS Boyd DD544, in the western Pacific. We were chasing a
carrier at 34 knots and the ship and her deck plates were vibrating so bad
it made me (and most others aboard) as sick as a sea scout on his maiden
voyage.

That's fast. Full ahead on my can was 27 knots. But we were ASW
intended, and got up to speed very fast. USS John King (DDG-3).
I loved flank speed. In or out of the boiler room.
That's where the keels hits the water, and the machinery gets its
test.
Though I never got seasick to the puke point, we occasionally steamed
in heavy sea where everybody was queasy, including me.
But I felt worse crewing on a 36' across Lake Michigan in 4-6' waters,
so a 400' can and a sailboat are different animals on the seasickness
score.

--Vic

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On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:29:13 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:


It's interesting that sometimes fairly nasty conditions yield no problem,
when the benign stuff causes problems. I'm usually more prone as the
conditions deteriorate, but I usually recover pretty quickly.

Went out one time in a 36' with some workmates. Motoring only,
absolutely flat water. One guy almost died from seasickness.
Some people really have trouble with it.

I had the opposite situation happen while sailing out of Santa Cruz several
years ago. It was a beautiful and calm day with light air and lazy,
no-dramatic swells. You could see this from shore. We were on a 45' sloop.
Yet, I started to feel quesy on the foredeck. Moved back to the cockpit and
felt better, but if I would have stayed forward....

Can be a huge difference, especially with pitching.
I was berthed about midships, and always wondered what the guys in the
foc'sle were going through when I could barely stay in my rack.
The v-berth is likewise a bad place when pitching/yawing.

--Vic

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:09:46 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

Out here, it doesn't take much for the level of
anxiety some students have during a class, coupled with the wrong kind of
clothing (e.g., too much or too little) and/or too much or too little food
in the belly, to cause a problem.

I have it on good authority that you're a damned good instructor, Jon.


Thanks, but you forgot to add "for a liberal Democrat." LOL

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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:29:13 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:


It's interesting that sometimes fairly nasty conditions yield no problem,
when the benign stuff causes problems. I'm usually more prone as the
conditions deteriorate, but I usually recover pretty quickly.

Went out one time in a 36' with some workmates. Motoring only,
absolutely flat water. One guy almost died from seasickness.
Some people really have trouble with it.

I had the opposite situation happen while sailing out of Santa Cruz
several
years ago. It was a beautiful and calm day with light air and lazy,
no-dramatic swells. You could see this from shore. We were on a 45' sloop.
Yet, I started to feel quesy on the foredeck. Moved back to the cockpit
and
felt better, but if I would have stayed forward....

Can be a huge difference, especially with pitching.
I was berthed about midships, and always wondered what the guys in the
foc'sle were going through when I could barely stay in my rack.
The v-berth is likewise a bad place when pitching/yawing.

--Vic

That's why they berth the Chief Petty officers in the bow. :) But it's the
yaw that can make even the most salty sailor sick.

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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:19:43 -0500, "jlrogers±³©"
wrote:



Good advice. In four years at sea on a destroyer, and four or five years
of
sailing, in all kinds of weather, including a couple of typhoons, I was
seasick only once and that was on a beautiful day on a flat, glassy sea.
It was on the USS Boyd DD544, in the western Pacific. We were chasing a
carrier at 34 knots and the ship and her deck plates were vibrating so bad
it made me (and most others aboard) as sick as a sea scout on his maiden
voyage.

That's fast. Full ahead on my can was 27 knots. But we were ASW
intended, and got up to speed very fast. USS John King (DDG-3).
I loved flank speed. In or out of the boiler room.
That's where the keels hits the water, and the machinery gets its
test.
Though I never got seasick to the puke point, we occasionally steamed
in heavy sea where everybody was queasy, including me.
But I felt worse crewing on a 36' across Lake Michigan in 4-6' waters,
so a 400' can and a sailboat are different animals on the seasickness
score.

--Vic

The Boyd's top speed during my service was 36 knots. The black gang would
rig fire hoses to cool the shafts and after about eight hours we would have
to be relieved. Then we would require at least 24 hours for damage
control.

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:48:30 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

I have it on good authority that you're a damned good instructor, Jon.


Thanks, but you forgot to add "for a liberal Democrat." LOL

How does one sail Democrat?

Oh, I know. Turn only to port so you end up going in circles. g


That's it!!

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"Dave" wrote in message
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How does one sail Democrat?

Have the helmsman take his orders from Washington.

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"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
...

"Dave" wrote in message
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How does one sail Democrat?

Have the helmsman take his orders from Washington.



Because there are no Republicans in charge there... including the
high-functioning moron and his high-functioning moronic cabinet....
WASHINGTON (CNN) — U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said the United
States would be prepared to reconcile with the Taliban if the Afghan
government pursued talks to end the seven-year conflict in that country.

Gates made the comments to reporters while at a meeting of NATO defense
ministers in Budapest, Hungary, Thursday and comes as the United States and
NATO look for answers to reduce the record violence gripping the country
this year.

U.S. commanders in Afghanistan have asked for an additional 15,000 troops,
but the call has gone unanswered, with the United States short on troops and
NATO countries not interested in contributing more personnel.



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On 10 Oct, 19:54, "jlrogers±³©" wrote:
My recent employer, as a going away gift (bribe?), gave me a gift
certificate for some sailing time at South Coast Sailing Adventures out of
Kemah, TX. I have decided to apply it to sailing lessons, beginning with
ASA 101 through basic coastal cruising, and bareboat charting. I figure
this will give me an opportunity to find out if I am still capable of
sailing and enjoying it as much as 25 years ago. Also, I will be staying
aboard rather than spending the nights at a motel during class periods.
($50.00 a night).

First up is a two day session beginning next Thursday. Hopefully I will
meet some folks in the area who need (or at least will settle for) some
inexperienced crew help.

Any suggestions or helpful advice will be greatly appreciated.

Hi JL.

I would suggest that you do not understimate your abilities.

I've had ex-members of the British RN as crew. They are
awsome. It never ceases to amaze me that they accept me
as skipper! They never question my decisions, even though
I *know* that they are better qualified than I am to take these
decisions.

What I am saying is that they really underestimate their
abilities. I think that military service makes you feel much
less competent than you really are. When you think about
it, this makes sense for the military environment.

You write sensibly. So I guess that you are sensible. You know
that a trip into a F8 headwind is silly. Don't worry about
your ability. When you are in the class of learners you will
see that that you have loads of experience.


Regards


Donal
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:48:30 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Dave" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:09:46 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

Out here, it doesn't take much for the level of
anxiety some students have during a class, coupled with the wrong kind of
clothing (e.g., too much or too little) and/or too much or too little food
in the belly, to cause a problem.

I have it on good authority that you're a damned good instructor, Jon.


Thanks, but you forgot to add "for a liberal Democrat." LOL

It was implied. Especially, since I'm pretty sure I know which
"authority" was cited.

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And now... wait for it.... Bu**** is going to take N. Korea off the
terrorist state list... I guess restarting their nuclear program but saying
they'll let the inspectors back in is good enough. Sheesh....

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapc....ap/index.html

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
easolutions...
"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
...

"Dave" wrote in message
...
How does one sail Democrat?

Have the helmsman take his orders from Washington.



Because there are no Republicans in charge there... including the
high-functioning moron and his high-functioning moronic cabinet....
WASHINGTON (CNN) — U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said the United
States would be prepared to reconcile with the Taliban if the Afghan
government pursued talks to end the seven-year conflict in that country.

Gates made the comments to reporters while at a meeting of NATO defense
ministers in Budapest, Hungary, Thursday and comes as the United States
and NATO look for answers to reduce the record violence gripping the
country this year.

U.S. commanders in Afghanistan have asked for an additional 15,000 troops,
but the call has gone unanswered, with the United States short on troops
and NATO countries not interested in contributing more personnel.




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www.sailnow.com

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On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:54:31 -0500, "jlrogers±³©"
wrote:

My recent employer, as a going away gift (bribe?), gave me a gift
certificate for some sailing time at South Coast Sailing Adventures out of
Kemah, TX. I have decided to apply it to sailing lessons, beginning with
ASA 101 through basic coastal cruising, and bareboat charting. I figure
this will give me an opportunity to find out if I am still capable of
sailing and enjoying it as much as 25 years ago. Also, I will be staying
aboard rather than spending the nights at a motel during class periods.
($50.00 a night).

First up is a two day session beginning next Thursday. Hopefully I will
meet some folks in the area who need (or at least will settle for) some
inexperienced crew help.

Any suggestions or helpful advice will be greatly appreciated.

Congratulations on your new direction.

If you want to gain experience sailing different boats, show up on
race day at any of the club regattas. I've never been to a race day
when there weren't skippers walking the docks looking for crew to
replace no shows. Tell the race director your available, they often
keep a list.

Have fun.

And congratulations on starting an on topic thread, however, as you
can see, the usual suspects can turn that on a dime.

Frank


jlrogers±³©
"Those who would give up a little freedom to get a little security shall
soon have neither." Benjamin Franklin

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"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
...

"Dave" wrote in message
...
How does one sail Democrat?

Have the helmsman take his orders from Washington.

Oh crap, now we've done it again. Another thing wrong with ASA is that
every thread gets politicized and degenerates into political, sexual, or
racial rhetoric. Can't we just all get along?

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"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:54:31 -0500, "jlrogers±³©"
wrote:

My recent employer, as a going away gift (bribe?), gave me a gift
certificate for some sailing time at South Coast Sailing Adventures out of
Kemah, TX. I have decided to apply it to sailing lessons, beginning with
ASA 101 through basic coastal cruising, and bareboat charting. I figure
this will give me an opportunity to find out if I am still capable of
sailing and enjoying it as much as 25 years ago. Also, I will be staying
aboard rather than spending the nights at a motel during class periods.
($50.00 a night).

First up is a two day session beginning next Thursday. Hopefully I will
meet some folks in the area who need (or at least will settle for) some
inexperienced crew help.

Any suggestions or helpful advice will be greatly appreciated.

Congratulations on your new direction.

If you want to gain experience sailing different boats, show up on
race day at any of the club regattas. I've never been to a race day
when there weren't skippers walking the docks looking for crew to
replace no shows. Tell the race director your available, they often
keep a list.

Have fun.

And congratulations on starting an on topic thread, however, as you
can see, the usual suspects can turn that on a dime.

Frank

Thanks Frank, I'll google around and seee what's in the area.

jlrogers±³©
"Those who would give up a little freedom to get a little security shall
soon have neither." Benjamin Franklin

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"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
...

"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
...

"Dave" wrote in message
...
How does one sail Democrat?

Have the helmsman take his orders from Washington.

Oh crap, now we've done it again. Another thing wrong with ASA is that
every thread gets politicized and degenerates into political, sexual, or
racial rhetoric. Can't we just all get along?


Ok. I'll vote for Bush. I mean McCain. LOL

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