The big challenge
 

Name Obama's ten greatest accomplishments.

The big challenge
 

On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:39:43 -0400, "Mike"
wrote:

Name Obama's ten greatest accomplishments.


I suggest you go here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

for an introductory course.

BTW I hear McCain crashes a lot of planes...I think the qoute was
'good party animal, lousy pilot'




OzOne of the three twins

I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace.

The big challenge
 

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:39:43 -0400, "Mike"
wrote:

Name Obama's ten greatest accomplishments.


I suggest you go here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

for an introductory course.

Surely you can do better than Wikipedia. Name 10 accomplishments.



BTW I hear McCain crashes a lot of planes...I think the qoute was
'good party animal, lousy pilot'



What is your proof? His father, also John ("Slew") McCain, crashed 5 planes.
You must be confused with him. McCain is a better pilot than Obama, and if
he is known as a party animal that's great - the guy can loosen up. Are you
ignorant of Naval fighter pilot culture?

The big challenge
 

On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 23:27:10 -0400, "Mike"
wrote:

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:39:43 -0400, "Mike"
wrote:

Name Obama's ten greatest accomplishments.


I suggest you go here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

for an introductory course.

Surely you can do better than Wikipedia. Name 10 accomplishments.



BTW I hear McCain crashes a lot of planes...I think the qoute was
'good party animal, lousy pilot'



What is your proof? His father, also John ("Slew") McCain, crashed 5 planes.
You must be confused with him. McCain is a better pilot than Obama, and if
he is known as a party animal that's great - the guy can loosen up. Are you
ignorant of Naval fighter pilot culture?

John McCain:
Unfit to serve as Commander-In-Chief
The spoiled son of military privilege got a free ride throughout his
military career despite repeated instances of sex scandals and
screw-ups
By Ted Sampley
U.S. Veteran Dispatch
January 27, 2008

John Sidney McCain III entered the United States Naval Academy at
Annapolis, Maryland in 1954. Young McCain wanted to become an admiral.
He planned to be the "first son and grandson of four star admirals" to
achieve such a distinction. But that was not to be. McCain III
possessed none of the innate character and discipline traits that
helped mold his father and grandfather into great military leaders.

His father, John S. "Junior" McCain, and grandfather, John S. McCain,
Sr., were famous four-star Admirals in the U.S. Navy. His father
commanded U.S. forces in Europe before becoming commander of American
forces fighting in Vietnam. His grandfather commanded naval aviation
at the Battle of Okinawa in 1945. Both men became highly influential
in U.S. Navy operations.

At the Academy, aside being known as a "rowdy, raunchy, underachiever"
who resented authority, Midshipman McCain became infamous as a leader
among his fellow midshipmen for organizing "off-Yard activities" and
hard drinking parties. Robert Timberg wrote in his book, The
Nightingale's Song, that "being on liberty with John McCain was like
being in a train wreck."

McCain's grades were "marginal." He drew so many demerits for breaking
curfew and other discipline issues that he graduated fifth from the
bottom of the class of 1958. Despite his low "class standing," and no
doubt because of the influence of his family of famous Admirals,
McCain was leap-frogged ahead of more qualified applicants and granted
a coveted slot to be trained as a navy pilot.

Good Party Animal - Bad Pilot:

He spent the next two and a half years as a "naval aviator in
training" at Naval Air Station Pensacola in Florida and Naval Air
Station Corpus Christi in Texas, flying A-1 Skyraiders.

While a pilot trainee, McCain continued to party hard. He drove a
Corvette and dated an exotic dancer named "Marie the Flame of
Florida." Timberg wrote that McCain "learned to fly at Pensacola,
though his performance was below par, at best good enough to get by.
He liked flying, but didn't love it."

McCain Lost Five Military Aircraft

McCain, the "below par" pilot, eventually lost 5 military aircraft,
the first during a training flight in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus
Christi Bay while trying to land. The Navy ignored the crash and
graduated McCain in 1960.

While deployed in the Mediterranean, the hard partying McCain lost a
second aircraft. Timberg described the crash: "Flying too low over the
Iberian Peninsula, he took out some power lines which led to a spate
of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son
of an admiral."

Unscathed, McCain returned to Pensacola Station where he was promoted
to flight instructor for Naval Air Station Meridian in Mississippi.
The airfield at Meridian, McCain Field, was named in honor of McCain's
grandfather.

In 1964 McCain became involved with Carol Shepp, a model from
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, he had met at Annapolis. They were married
in Philadelphia on July 3, 1965.

Flight instructor McCain lost a third aircraft while flying a Navy
trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game. Timberg
wrote that McCain radioed, "I've got a flameout" before ejecting at
one thousand feet. McCain parachuted onto a beach moments before his
plane slammed into a clump of trees.

The Navy dismissed the crash as "unavoidable" and assigned McCain to
the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal in December 1966, which was
patrolling the Mediterranean Sea and Atlantic Ocean. In Spring 1967,
the Forrestal was assigned to join the Operation Rolling Thunder
bombing campaign against North Vietnam.

McCain lost his fourth plane on board the Forrestal on July 29, 1967
when a rocket inadvertently slammed into his bomb laden jet. McCain
escaped, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors. McCain
was transferred from the badly damaged Forrestal to the USS Oriskany.
Shortly afterwards, on Oct. 26, 1967, he was shot down and captured by
the Vietnamese.

Post-POW Years: Political Ambition and a New, Young, Rich Wife

Upon his release from North Vietnam and return to the United States in
1973, McCain reunited with his wife, Carol, who had been permanently
crippled in a car accident while he was a POW.

Still yearning to become an admiral, McCain enrolled in the National
War College at Fort McNair in Washington, D.C. and underwent physical
therapy in order to fly again. The Navy excused his permanent
disabilities and reinstated him to flight status, effectively
positioning him for promotion.

Timberg described McCain's advancement: "in the fall of 1974, McCain
was transferred to Jacksonville as the executive officer of
Replacement Air Group 174, the long-sought flying billet at last a
reality. A few months later, he assumed command of the RAG, which
trained pilots and crews for carrier deployments. The assignment was
controversial, some calling it favoritism, a sop to the famous son of
a famous father and grandfather, since he had not first commanded a
squadron, the usual career path."

While Executive Officer and later as Squadron Commander McCain used
his authority to arrange frequent flights that allowed him to carouse
with subordinates and "engage in extra-marital affairs."

This was a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice rules
against adultery and fraternization with subordinates. But, as with
all his other past behaviors, McCain was never penalized; instead he
always got away with his transgressions.

Timberg wrote, "Off duty, usually on routine cross-country flights to
Yuma and El Centro, John started carousing and running around with
women. To make matters worse, some of the women with whom he was
linked by rumor were subordinates . . . At the time the rumors were so
widespread that, true or not, they became part of McCain's persona,
impossible not to take note of."

In early 1977, Admiral Jim Holloway, Chief of Naval Operations
promoted McCain to captain and transferred him from his command
position "to Washington as the number-two man in the Navy's Senate
liaison office. McCain was promptly given total control of the office.
It wasn't long before the "fun loving and irreverent" McCain had
turned the liaison office into a "late-afternoon gathering spot where
senators and staffers, usually from the Armed Services and Foreign
Relations committees, would drop in for a drink and the chance to
unwind."

In 1979, while attending a military reception in Hawaii, McCain met
and fell in love with Cindy Lou Hensley, 17 years his junior, who was
the daughter of James W. Hensley, a wealthy Anheuser-Busch distributor
from Phoenix, Arizona. McCain filed for and obtained an uncontested
divorce from his wife in Florida on April 2, 1980 and promptly married
Cindy on May 17, 1980.

He resigned from the Navy in 1981 and went to work for his
father-in-law in Phoenix; where he used the opportunity to make
powerful and wealthy friends in Arizona including banker Charles
Keating and Duke Tully, the editor-in-chief of the Arizona Republic.
Keating was later convicted of fraud, racketeering, and conspiracy and
Tully was disgraced for concocting a phony military record of combat
in Korea and Vietnam including medals for heroism.

McCain ran for Arizona's First Congressional District in 1982. McCain
won the congressional seat. In 1987 McCain was elected to the Senate.




OzOne of the three twins

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On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:27:10 -0400, Mike wrote:


McCain is a better pilot than
Obama, and if he is known as a party animal that's great - the guy can
loosen up. Are you ignorant of Naval fighter pilot culture?

As in the Tailhook Association? Yeah, that should get the women's vote.

The big challenge
 

Thanks for the info, I didn't realize McCain wrecked only 5 planes I thought
it was more. As a consequence of him wrecking his plane on the Forrestal
several other planes were destroyed for which McCain deserved full credit.
In doing some further research, GH Bush wrecked a dive-bomber, JFK wrecked
an entire Navy ship and killed some of his men, we can credit McCain with
wrecking the Forrestal too, Eisenhower wrecked countless military vehicles,
Ted wrecked a plane and an Oldsmobile, etc, etc.

McCain and sex scandals, if true he could be impeached as President and
possibly even removed from office. Obviously his private life is not
separate from his professional.

Pilots tend to be superstitious about certain things, what do you think
Karma has in store for one who falsely accuses another of wrecking several
planes that were struck by missiles, one fired from 100 feet away and
another striking the plane while holding course during a bombing dive under
fire? Any thoughts?



OzOne wrote in message ...
On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 23:27:10 -0400, "Mike"
wrote:

OzOne wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:39:43 -0400, "Mike"
wrote:

Name Obama's ten greatest accomplishments.


I suggest you go here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

for an introductory course.

Surely you can do better than Wikipedia. Name 10 accomplishments.



BTW I hear McCain crashes a lot of planes...I think the qoute was
'good party animal, lousy pilot'



What is your proof? His father, also John ("Slew") McCain, crashed 5
planes.
You must be confused with him. McCain is a better pilot than Obama, and if
he is known as a party animal that's great - the guy can loosen up. Are
you
ignorant of Naval fighter pilot culture?

John McCain:
Unfit to serve as Commander-In-Chief
The spoiled son of military privilege got a free ride throughout his
military career despite repeated instances of sex scandals and
screw-ups
By Ted Sampley
U.S. Veteran Dispatch
January 27, 2008

John Sidney McCain III entered the United States Naval Academy at
Annapolis, Maryland in 1954. Young McCain wanted to become an admiral.
He planned to be the "first son and grandson of four star admirals" to
achieve such a distinction. But that was not to be. McCain III
possessed none of the innate character and discipline traits that
helped mold his father and grandfather into great military leaders.

His father, John S. "Junior" McCain, and grandfather, John S. McCain,
Sr., were famous four-star Admirals in the U.S. Navy. His father
commanded U.S. forces in Europe before becoming commander of American
forces fighting in Vietnam. His grandfather commanded naval aviation
at the Battle of Okinawa in 1945. Both men became highly influential
in U.S. Navy operations.

At the Academy, aside being known as a "rowdy, raunchy, underachiever"
who resented authority, Midshipman McCain became infamous as a leader
among his fellow midshipmen for organizing "off-Yard activities" and
hard drinking parties. Robert Timberg wrote in his book, The
Nightingale's Song, that "being on liberty with John McCain was like
being in a train wreck."

McCain's grades were "marginal." He drew so many demerits for breaking
curfew and other discipline issues that he graduated fifth from the
bottom of the class of 1958. Despite his low "class standing," and no
doubt because of the influence of his family of famous Admirals,
McCain was leap-frogged ahead of more qualified applicants and granted
a coveted slot to be trained as a navy pilot.

Good Party Animal - Bad Pilot:

He spent the next two and a half years as a "naval aviator in
training" at Naval Air Station Pensacola in Florida and Naval Air
Station Corpus Christi in Texas, flying A-1 Skyraiders.

While a pilot trainee, McCain continued to party hard. He drove a
Corvette and dated an exotic dancer named "Marie the Flame of
Florida." Timberg wrote that McCain "learned to fly at Pensacola,
though his performance was below par, at best good enough to get by.
He liked flying, but didn't love it."

McCain Lost Five Military Aircraft

McCain, the "below par" pilot, eventually lost 5 military aircraft,
the first during a training flight in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus
Christi Bay while trying to land. The Navy ignored the crash and
graduated McCain in 1960.

While deployed in the Mediterranean, the hard partying McCain lost a
second aircraft. Timberg described the crash: "Flying too low over the
Iberian Peninsula, he took out some power lines which led to a spate
of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son
of an admiral."

Unscathed, McCain returned to Pensacola Station where he was promoted
to flight instructor for Naval Air Station Meridian in Mississippi.
The airfield at Meridian, McCain Field, was named in honor of McCain's
grandfather.

In 1964 McCain became involved with Carol Shepp, a model from
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, he had met at Annapolis. They were married
in Philadelphia on July 3, 1965.

Flight instructor McCain lost a third aircraft while flying a Navy
trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game. Timberg
wrote that McCain radioed, "I've got a flameout" before ejecting at
one thousand feet. McCain parachuted onto a beach moments before his
plane slammed into a clump of trees.

The Navy dismissed the crash as "unavoidable" and assigned McCain to
the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal in December 1966, which was
patrolling the Mediterranean Sea and Atlantic Ocean. In Spring 1967,
the Forrestal was assigned to join the Operation Rolling Thunder
bombing campaign against North Vietnam.

McCain lost his fourth plane on board the Forrestal on July 29, 1967
when a rocket inadvertently slammed into his bomb laden jet. McCain
escaped, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors. McCain
was transferred from the badly damaged Forrestal to the USS Oriskany.
Shortly afterwards, on Oct. 26, 1967, he was shot down and captured by
the Vietnamese.

Post-POW Years: Political Ambition and a New, Young, Rich Wife

Upon his release from North Vietnam and return to the United States in
1973, McCain reunited with his wife, Carol, who had been permanently
crippled in a car accident while he was a POW.

Still yearning to become an admiral, McCain enrolled in the National
War College at Fort McNair in Washington, D.C. and underwent physical
therapy in order to fly again. The Navy excused his permanent
disabilities and reinstated him to flight status, effectively
positioning him for promotion.

Timberg described McCain's advancement: "in the fall of 1974, McCain
was transferred to Jacksonville as the executive officer of
Replacement Air Group 174, the long-sought flying billet at last a
reality. A few months later, he assumed command of the RAG, which
trained pilots and crews for carrier deployments. The assignment was
controversial, some calling it favoritism, a sop to the famous son of
a famous father and grandfather, since he had not first commanded a
squadron, the usual career path."

While Executive Officer and later as Squadron Commander McCain used
his authority to arrange frequent flights that allowed him to carouse
with subordinates and "engage in extra-marital affairs."

This was a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice rules
against adultery and fraternization with subordinates. But, as with
all his other past behaviors, McCain was never penalized; instead he
always got away with his transgressions.

Timberg wrote, "Off duty, usually on routine cross-country flights to
Yuma and El Centro, John started carousing and running around with
women. To make matters worse, some of the women with whom he was
linked by rumor were subordinates . . . At the time the rumors were so
widespread that, true or not, they became part of McCain's persona,
impossible not to take note of."

In early 1977, Admiral Jim Holloway, Chief of Naval Operations
promoted McCain to captain and transferred him from his command
position "to Washington as the number-two man in the Navy's Senate
liaison office. McCain was promptly given total control of the office.
It wasn't long before the "fun loving and irreverent" McCain had
turned the liaison office into a "late-afternoon gathering spot where
senators and staffers, usually from the Armed Services and Foreign
Relations committees, would drop in for a drink and the chance to
unwind."

In 1979, while attending a military reception in Hawaii, McCain met
and fell in love with Cindy Lou Hensley, 17 years his junior, who was
the daughter of James W. Hensley, a wealthy Anheuser-Busch distributor
from Phoenix, Arizona. McCain filed for and obtained an uncontested
divorce from his wife in Florida on April 2, 1980 and promptly married
Cindy on May 17, 1980.

He resigned from the Navy in 1981 and went to work for his
father-in-law in Phoenix; where he used the opportunity to make
powerful and wealthy friends in Arizona including banker Charles
Keating and Duke Tully, the editor-in-chief of the Arizona Republic.
Keating was later convicted of fraud, racketeering, and conspiracy and
Tully was disgraced for concocting a phony military record of combat
in Korea and Vietnam including medals for heroism.

McCain ran for Arizona's First Congressional District in 1982. McCain
won the congressional seat. In 1987 McCain was elected to the Senate.




OzOne of the three twins

I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace.

The big challenge
 

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:27:10 -0400, Mike wrote:


McCain is a better pilot than
Obama, and if he is known as a party animal that's great - the guy can
loosen up. Are you ignorant of Naval fighter pilot culture?



As in the Tailhook Association? Yeah, that should get the women's vote.

???? Aren't women members of the Tailhook Association?

The big challenge
 

On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:46:44 -0400, "Mike"
wrote:

Thanks for the info, I didn't realize McCain wrecked only 5 planes I thought
it was more. As a consequence of him wrecking his plane on the Forrestal
several other planes were destroyed for which McCain deserved full credit.
In doing some further research, GH Bush wrecked a dive-bomber, JFK wrecked
an entire Navy ship and killed some of his men, we can credit McCain with
wrecking the Forrestal too, Eisenhower wrecked countless military vehicles,
Ted wrecked a plane and an Oldsmobile, etc, etc.

McCain and sex scandals, if true he could be impeached as President and
possibly even removed from office. Obviously his private life is not
separate from his professional.

Pilots tend to be superstitious about certain things, what do you think
Karma has in store for one who falsely accuses another of wrecking several
planes that were struck by missiles, one fired from 100 feet away and
another striking the plane while holding course during a bombing dive under
fire? Any thoughts?



OzOne wrote in message ...
On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 23:27:10 -0400, "Mike"
wrote:

OzOne wrote in message
...
On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:39:43 -0400, "Mike"
wrote:

Name Obama's ten greatest accomplishments.


I suggest you go here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

for an introductory course.

Surely you can do better than Wikipedia. Name 10 accomplishments.



BTW I hear McCain crashes a lot of planes...I think the qoute was
'good party animal, lousy pilot'



What is your proof? His father, also John ("Slew") McCain, crashed 5
planes.
You must be confused with him. McCain is a better pilot than Obama, and if
he is known as a party animal that's great - the guy can loosen up. Are
you
ignorant of Naval fighter pilot culture?

John McCain:
Unfit to serve as Commander-In-Chief
The spoiled son of military privilege got a free ride throughout his
military career despite repeated instances of sex scandals and
screw-ups
By Ted Sampley
U.S. Veteran Dispatch
January 27, 2008

John Sidney McCain III entered the United States Naval Academy at
Annapolis, Maryland in 1954. Young McCain wanted to become an admiral.
He planned to be the "first son and grandson of four star admirals" to
achieve such a distinction. But that was not to be. McCain III
possessed none of the innate character and discipline traits that
helped mold his father and grandfather into great military leaders.

His father, John S. "Junior" McCain, and grandfather, John S. McCain,
Sr., were famous four-star Admirals in the U.S. Navy. His father
commanded U.S. forces in Europe before becoming commander of American
forces fighting in Vietnam. His grandfather commanded naval aviation
at the Battle of Okinawa in 1945. Both men became highly influential
in U.S. Navy operations.

At the Academy, aside being known as a "rowdy, raunchy, underachiever"
who resented authority, Midshipman McCain became infamous as a leader
among his fellow midshipmen for organizing "off-Yard activities" and
hard drinking parties. Robert Timberg wrote in his book, The
Nightingale's Song, that "being on liberty with John McCain was like
being in a train wreck."

McCain's grades were "marginal." He drew so many demerits for breaking
curfew and other discipline issues that he graduated fifth from the
bottom of the class of 1958. Despite his low "class standing," and no
doubt because of the influence of his family of famous Admirals,
McCain was leap-frogged ahead of more qualified applicants and granted
a coveted slot to be trained as a navy pilot.

Good Party Animal - Bad Pilot:

He spent the next two and a half years as a "naval aviator in
training" at Naval Air Station Pensacola in Florida and Naval Air
Station Corpus Christi in Texas, flying A-1 Skyraiders.

While a pilot trainee, McCain continued to party hard. He drove a
Corvette and dated an exotic dancer named "Marie the Flame of
Florida." Timberg wrote that McCain "learned to fly at Pensacola,
though his performance was below par, at best good enough to get by.
He liked flying, but didn't love it."

McCain Lost Five Military Aircraft

McCain, the "below par" pilot, eventually lost 5 military aircraft,
the first during a training flight in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus
Christi Bay while trying to land. The Navy ignored the crash and
graduated McCain in 1960.

While deployed in the Mediterranean, the hard partying McCain lost a
second aircraft. Timberg described the crash: "Flying too low over the
Iberian Peninsula, he took out some power lines which led to a spate
of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son
of an admiral."

Unscathed, McCain returned to Pensacola Station where he was promoted
to flight instructor for Naval Air Station Meridian in Mississippi.
The airfield at Meridian, McCain Field, was named in honor of McCain's
grandfather.

In 1964 McCain became involved with Carol Shepp, a model from
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, he had met at Annapolis. They were married
in Philadelphia on July 3, 1965.

Flight instructor McCain lost a third aircraft while flying a Navy
trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game. Timberg
wrote that McCain radioed, "I've got a flameout" before ejecting at
one thousand feet. McCain parachuted onto a beach moments before his
plane slammed into a clump of trees.

The Navy dismissed the crash as "unavoidable" and assigned McCain to
the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal in December 1966, which was
patrolling the Mediterranean Sea and Atlantic Ocean. In Spring 1967,
the Forrestal was assigned to join the Operation Rolling Thunder
bombing campaign against North Vietnam.

McCain lost his fourth plane on board the Forrestal on July 29, 1967
when a rocket inadvertently slammed into his bomb laden jet. McCain
escaped, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors. McCain
was transferred from the badly damaged Forrestal to the USS Oriskany.
Shortly afterwards, on Oct. 26, 1967, he was shot down and captured by
the Vietnamese.

Post-POW Years: Political Ambition and a New, Young, Rich Wife

Upon his release from North Vietnam and return to the United States in
1973, McCain reunited with his wife, Carol, who had been permanently
crippled in a car accident while he was a POW.

Still yearning to become an admiral, McCain enrolled in the National
War College at Fort McNair in Washington, D.C. and underwent physical
therapy in order to fly again. The Navy excused his permanent
disabilities and reinstated him to flight status, effectively
positioning him for promotion.

Timberg described McCain's advancement: "in the fall of 1974, McCain
was transferred to Jacksonville as the executive officer of
Replacement Air Group 174, the long-sought flying billet at last a
reality. A few months later, he assumed command of the RAG, which
trained pilots and crews for carrier deployments. The assignment was
controversial, some calling it favoritism, a sop to the famous son of
a famous father and grandfather, since he had not first commanded a
squadron, the usual career path."

While Executive Officer and later as Squadron Commander McCain used
his authority to arrange frequent flights that allowed him to carouse
with subordinates and "engage in extra-marital affairs."

This was a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice rules
against adultery and fraternization with subordinates. But, as with
all his other past behaviors, McCain was never penalized; instead he
always got away with his transgressions.

Timberg wrote, "Off duty, usually on routine cross-country flights to
Yuma and El Centro, John started carousing and running around with
women. To make matters worse, some of the women with whom he was
linked by rumor were subordinates . . . At the time the rumors were so
widespread that, true or not, they became part of McCain's persona,
impossible not to take note of."

In early 1977, Admiral Jim Holloway, Chief of Naval Operations
promoted McCain to captain and transferred him from his command
position "to Washington as the number-two man in the Navy's Senate
liaison office. McCain was promptly given total control of the office.
It wasn't long before the "fun loving and irreverent" McCain had
turned the liaison office into a "late-afternoon gathering spot where
senators and staffers, usually from the Armed Services and Foreign
Relations committees, would drop in for a drink and the chance to
unwind."

In 1979, while attending a military reception in Hawaii, McCain met
and fell in love with Cindy Lou Hensley, 17 years his junior, who was
the daughter of James W. Hensley, a wealthy Anheuser-Busch distributor
from Phoenix, Arizona. McCain filed for and obtained an uncontested
divorce from his wife in Florida on April 2, 1980 and promptly married
Cindy on May 17, 1980.

He resigned from the Navy in 1981 and went to work for his
father-in-law in Phoenix; where he used the opportunity to make
powerful and wealthy friends in Arizona including banker Charles
Keating and Duke Tully, the editor-in-chief of the Arizona Republic.
Keating was later convicted of fraud, racketeering, and conspiracy and
Tully was disgraced for concocting a phony military record of combat
in Korea and Vietnam including medals for heroism.

McCain ran for Arizona's First Congressional District in 1982. McCain
won the congressional seat. In 1987 McCain was elected to the Senate.




OzOne of the three twins

I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace.


Actually you didn't know any of this about McCain..or very little.
You thought his daddy had crashed the planes and I seriously doubt
that you even 'knew' that.

Seems you'll overlook anything.....Is it because Obama is black?




OzOne of the three twins

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OzOne wrote in message ...
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:46:44 -0400, "Mike"
wrote:


Actually you didn't know any of this about McCain..or very little.

I didn't even know McCain was running for President and I didn't know the
Navy had planes and pilots. I thought they were in charge of boats only.


You thought his daddy had crashed the planes and I seriously doubt
that you even 'knew' that.

It was his grand daddy:

http://media.wiley.com/product_data/...047122829X.pdf

page 8: Slew McCain at age 51 becomes Naval Aviator

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carniv...-didnt-cr.html

"Slew McCain was so driven that when the navy passed a rule saying only
aviators could command a carrier, the old man went to flight school while in
his fifties. He crashed five planes before finally getting his wings, and
then his carrier. In one Pacific battle, planes under Slew McCain's command
sank 49 Japanese ships in a single day."



Seems you'll overlook anything.....Is it because Obama is black?

Aren't you overlooking his white half?

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On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:39:43 -0400, "Mike"
wrote this crap:

Name Obama's ten greatest accomplishments.



I got nothing.


Well, he did graduate from Harvard.




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"Mike" wrote in message
...
Name Obama's ten greatest accomplishments.


1) threw Rev. Wright under the bus.
2) threw Jesse Jackson under the bus
3) threw Hillary Clinton under the bus
4) threw the military under the bus
5) threw public campaign funding under the bus
6) threw David Rescoe under the bus
7) threw his grandmother under the bus
8) invites known terrorists to ride on the bus

Can't come up with ten because he has no noteworthy real accomplishments.

--
Gregory Hall

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"Bloody Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:39:43 -0400, "Mike"
wrote this crap:

Name Obama's ten greatest accomplishments.



I got nothing.


Well, he did graduate from Harvard.

And so did Ted Kazcynski. Seems they have more than just that in common:

"Conservatives and some others advocate more "local autonomy."
Local communities once did have autonomy, but such autonomy becomes
less and less possible as local communities become more enmeshed with
and dependent on large-scale systems like public utilities, computer
networks, highway systems, the mass communications media, the modern
health care system. Also operating against autonomy is the fact that
technology applied in one location often affects people at other
locations far away. Thus pesticide or chemical use near a creek may
contaminate the water supply hundreds of miles downstream, and the
greenhouse effect affects the whole world."

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???? Aren't women members of the Tailhook Association?

They certainly are.

Tailhook Association reunions have been well-behaved events since the infamous 1991 reunion. Wives, sweethearts, and of course female Naval Aviators, NFOs, etc. are both welcome and in good attendance. The banquet is a formal affair (conservative suits/tuxes/mess dress, cocktail dresses or fancier, etc.) with a Naval aviation-connected personage as the honored speaker. SEN McCain was the banquet speaker for the 2006 reunion (before he declared his candidacy).

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On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:27:10 -0400, Mike wrote:


McCain is a better pilot than
Obama, and if he is known as a party animal that's great - the guy can
loosen up. Are you ignorant of Naval fighter pilot culture?



As in the Tailhook Association? Yeah, that should get the women's vote.

???? Aren't women members of the Tailhook Association?

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Mike wrote:
Name Obama's ten greatest accomplishments.


How about naming McCain's ten greatest accomplishments that actually
relate to the issues he would face as president.

For example, what experience does he have in setting or modifying
national economic policies? Or formulating policies and actions dealing
with a serious housing crisis, bank failures, historic balance of trade
deficits, budget deficits, regional employment crises, etc.?

And, what experience does he have setting and negotiating trade
policies, policies relating to legal and illegal immigration? What
experience does he have negotiating with Soviet bloc and asian countries
re security issues, etc.? My friends, would he be able to understand a
complex crisis and make a rational, logical decision at 3:00 in the
morning? - Could he stay awake during meetings throughout the following
day? Or would he have to take an afternoon nap? With respect to his
favorite issue, national defense, what experience does he have making
decisions on deployment, troop movements, troop support, etc. during
wartime? (Remember that we are talking about a 70 plus-year-old man who
graduated from the academy at the bottom of his class.)

Does he have successful experience in negotiations with friendly and/or
unfriendly nations regarding political, military, and/or economic issues?

Does he have experience in resolving a national health care crisis,
including resolving medical costs and insurance issues?

Experience in managing a country in deep financial crisis? - For
example, how will he implement his programs when the country is deeply
in debt to China, and various Islamic nations, with deep ongoing
national deficits, such that we don't have the budget to support his
plans, much less to support them and also extend the tax cuts he
(currently) favors? Regarding military responsiveness, what experience
does he have in determining an appropriate response to hostile actions
in the Mideast or elsewhere WHEN THE COUNTRY DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH TROOPS
TO TAKE CARE OF AFGHANISTAN, MUCH LESS TAKE ON ANOTHER CONFLICT? - Would
he suggest that we re-implement the draft? And if so, would the
Congress approve such a request from McCain? (He can talk tough, my
friends, but talk is cheap.)

When the economy (not the Iraq war) is BY FAR the primary concern of the
US public, what experience and knowledge does he have of issues relevant
to economics?

Yes, you can ask the same questions regarding Obama, but while you are
asking such questions, let's also get appropriate answers from Johnny
McCain and his staff.

Jim

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On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:05:25 -0600, JimC wrote
this crap:



Mike wrote:
Name Obama's ten greatest accomplishments.


Yes, you can ask the same questions regarding Obama, but while you are
asking such questions, let's also get appropriate answers from Johnny
McCain and his staff.

Jim


Yeah.

John McCain has been a senator for many years.

Many more years than you or me.

His files are loaded with your answers.

Live long, and prosper.




I'm Horvath and I approve of this post.

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"JimC" wrote in message
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Mike wrote:
Name Obama's ten greatest accomplishments.
How about naming McCain's ten greatest accomplishments that actually
relate to the issues he would face as president.

For example, what experience does he have in setting or modifying national
economic policies? Or formulating policies and actions dealing with a
serious housing crisis, bank failures, historic balance of trade deficits,
budget deficits, regional employment crises, etc.?

And, what experience does he have setting and negotiating trade policies,
policies relating to legal and illegal immigration? What experience does
he have negotiating with Soviet bloc and asian countries re security
issues, etc.? My friends, would he be able to understand a complex crisis
and make a rational, logical decision at 3:00 in the morning? - Could he
stay awake during meetings throughout the following day? Or would he have
to take an afternoon nap? With respect to his favorite issue, national
defense, what experience does he have making decisions on deployment,
troop movements, troop support, etc. during wartime? (Remember that we are
talking about a 70 plus-year-old man who graduated from the academy at the
bottom of his class.)

Does he have successful experience in negotiations with friendly and/or
unfriendly nations regarding political, military, and/or economic issues?

Does he have experience in resolving a national health care crisis,
including resolving medical costs and insurance issues?

Experience in managing a country in deep financial crisis? - For example,
how will he implement his programs when the country is deeply in debt to
China, and various Islamic nations, with deep ongoing national deficits,
such that we don't have the budget to support his plans, much less to
support them and also extend the tax cuts he (currently) favors? Regarding
military responsiveness, what experience does he have in determining an
appropriate response to hostile actions in the Mideast or elsewhere WHEN
THE COUNTRY DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH TROOPS TO TAKE CARE OF AFGHANISTAN, MUCH
LESS TAKE ON ANOTHER CONFLICT? - Would he suggest that we re-implement the
draft? And if so, would the Congress approve such a request from McCain?
(He can talk tough, my friends, but talk is cheap.)

When the economy (not the Iraq war) is BY FAR the primary concern of the
US public, what experience and knowledge does he have of issues relevant
to economics?

Yes, you can ask the same questions regarding Obama, but while you are
asking such questions, let's also get appropriate answers from Johnny
McCain and his staff.

Jim



Firstly, you're responding to a troll, a pathetic guy with nothing better to
do.

Secondly, McCain has years and years of experience in the Senate, he's a war
hero, and he supported a war of choice rather than necessity. He's
flipflopped on a number of key issues, such as being against then
pro-torture, mostly first speaking his mind, then saying what the right-wing
religious nuts want to hear so he can solidify his base. He has good 'ole
Jack Kemp on his advisory board. Nothing wrong with that (we wouldn't want
to be accused of whinning like Phil Graham would say), except, Kemp was a
vocal supporter, perhaps even an athletic supporter of Jack Abramoff. You
remember him don't you Jim? The guy who went to prison for fraud and
corruption. (Don't even think about the Keating Five - The Ethics Committee
saying McCain used "very poor judgement.")

I love how McCain keeps claiming that the "surge" is working. It's working
alright... it's driving the terrorists to Afganistan!

I also love how the party of "family values," rife with people who divorce
their wives (typically in times of personal crisis, like cancer or
disability) to marry one of their girlfriends, tries to compare itself to
people like Obama who have a long-time wife and a solid family.

But, fear, don't forget the fear of flying without getting a foot-check
because one guy tried to light up his shoe.

God Forbid we should listen to T. Boone Pickens, someone who just might know
something about big oil, and develop a sustainable non-oil energy industry.
He must be in league with Gore. Instead we should give all our money and
turn over our security to the Saudis (not counting bin laden of course).
But, drill some more, something that will only help us (maybe) 10 years from
now. It sounds good... drill! drill! drill! Absolutely don't increase the
CAFE standards to anything that might cause the US auto industry to be able
to compete with the Japanese cars.

Well, I think you get the idea. Seems like even Bush is getting some wisdom
(right...). He's flipflopped on Iran, and on a timetable for withdrawing
from Iraq. According to John Bolton (not exactly a liberal)

Bolton Sarcastically Said Bush Shift Toward Talking To Iran "Is The State
Department Effort To Insure A Smooth Transition To The Obama
Administration." John Bolton said of the Bush Administration's agreeing to
talks with Ira, "Even if this is a one time only event in the Bush
administration, it legitimizes the Obama administration to do the same
thing," he said. "It undercuts McCain, and Republicans on the Hill. This is
the State Department effort to insure a smooth transition to the Obama
administration." [ New York Sun, 7/17/08 ]

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"Capt. JG" wrote
Nothing at all to do with sailing or anything else worthwhile. Seems his
LSD abuse was giving him flashbacks and making him see things following him.

Please kids, just say no to drugs and druggies.

Aldys

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