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I didn't know Doug King was cruising the Bahamas
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Did Doug take sailing lessons from Skip? Wilbur Hubbard |
I didn't know Doug King was cruising the Bahamas
On May 4, 7:06 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: http://coconuttelegraph.net/forums/a...hmentid=7763&s... Did Doug take sailing lessons from Skip? Wilbur Hubbard Hey! That guy is a rank amateur! Our boat was up on the stuff to starboard! Click on the gallery link below and follow the obvious subgalleries! He wasn't listening :{)) L8R Skip Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it however." (and) "There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hands. You seek problems because you need their gifts." (Richard Bach, in The Reluctant Messiah) |
I didn't know Doug King was cruising the Bahamas
"Skip Gundlach" wrote in message ... On May 4, 7:06 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: http://coconuttelegraph.net/forums/a...hmentid=7763&s... Did Doug take sailing lessons from Skip? Wilbur Hubbard Hey! That guy is a rank amateur! Our boat was up on the stuff to starboard! Click on the gallery link below and follow the obvious subgalleries! Why is it you so proudly and continuously display your plethora of blunders? Is it because you have such a paucity of successes to laud? Wilbur Hubbard |
I didn't know Doug King was cruising the Bahamas
On May 11, 2:23*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: Why is it you so proudly and continuously display your plethora of blunders? Is it because you have such a paucity of successes to laud? Wilbur Hubbard Cause Skip is a person with a normal amount of Self Disclosure. Its called "Adult Conversation." Personnly I enjoy his posts. It also sounds as though he is seeking information and training (OUPV) to improve his knowledge. Hopfully his new knowledge will combine with his experinces to form a compitant sailor. I, for example, am seeking training and knowledge. However my modesty prevents me from describing it here. gotta be a life long learner ya kno. Bob |
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I didn't know Doug King was cruising the Bahamas
"Larry" wrote in message ... Bob wrote in news:f1700158-5c48-4fe8-b715- : I, for example, am seeking training and knowledge. However my modesty prevents me from describing it here. gotta be a life long learner ya kno. Bob Don't let them hold you back, Bob! Anyone on any dock that claims to be perfect is soon aground begging for a towboat. We're all in this together. A committee of the inept equals an inept group of people. When it comes to ineptitude more is definitely not better. The ones in the most trouble are those hermits that never ask the guy down the dock for a hand or offers you a beer. Boating's no place for snobs. He asks for help who needs help. He asks for the help of his betters not his inferiors. Boating's no place for dependent weenies who can't function without forming a committee. If I find one, I make it really hard on him by just pitching in with whatever he's doing without being asked. "Hold a second. I got one of those in my tools." and go running off to retrieve it. Next thing you know, you've infected his whole family and they've joined the rest of the dock in actually enjoying each other's company. He who is the most inept revels in the false belief that he is actually needed by his superiors. Allow me to educate you. Needy folks like you are nothing more than a pain in the arse. Grow up and learn how to take care of yourself. Your present state of need causes those who can to, in effect, become your parents because you never grew up and assumed responsibility. You are obviously one of those liberal people who feel that your needs make you more worthy than somebody whose needs are met by himself or herself. You feel your greater neediness entitles you to free benefits from those of those who produce. You feel you have a right to our abilities. You consume only and your ethics tell you that it is more noble to consume than to produce. You have no abilities but you feel you should be given the fruits of those who have abilities. You actually feel you are a better person because you've convinced yourself that the purpose of those who have is to give to those who have not. You're pathetic. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On May 11, 7:12*pm, Larry wrote:
Bob wrote in news:f1700158-5c48-4fe8-b715- : I, for example, am seeking training *and knowledge. However my modesty prevents me from describing it here. gotta be a life long learner ya kno. Bob Don't let them hold you back, Bob! *Anyone on any dock that claims to be perfect is soon aground begging for a towboat. *We're all in this together. Well, for fear of receiving harsh criticisim I will disclose a personal fact. I hope nobody says anyting mean to me .... I completed a STCW-95 Basic Safety Training course (BST). Much of it was applicable to recreational boats. I would recomend ANY yachty to find and take the 5 day course. ALthough dragging 1 1/2" preasurized fire hoze in a near zero visibility smoke filled and fire blazing ship simulator building may not totaly apply to a 68' swan or flying pig. CERTAINLY the in-water survial craft/imersion suit/cold water survivial is 100% transferable. So get off your fat ass and get some real training and maybe ya wont end up like that sissy on Red Clown terrified of getting his toes wet. But then again STCW-95 trainig isnt needed to be a brownwater coonass "captain" like our coffee king. Ya got to be willing to go to the deep end of the pool. Then STCW is required. Bob |
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Bob wrote in news:dd9624dc-c91b-477a-aad5-287f5e0400e5
@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com: Then STCW is required. Took the Navy firefighter training in the fake ship at Charleston Navy Base. The instructor lit off the "ship" and droned on and on and on as the flames got higher and higher and higher until little tornadoes were forming over the openings. Then, he said, "OK, Gentlemen, she's ready!" Then, my ship sent me to Damage Control School, the one with the flooding compartments you either have to "save" with shoring and mattresses or drown when the air bubble at the overhead is gone. THAT separated the men from the claustrophobic in a hurry. I never heard so much screaming, even after we'd succeeded in slowing up the deluge through the "hull"! If the plastic boat catches fire, I'm not sure those epoxy fumes are survivable for long.... Welcome to the group. You're way ahead of the 95th percentile. You've already qualified for carbon and diesel fuel submersion.....(c; Which license do you hold? |
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On May 12, 8:48*pm, Larry wrote:
Then, my ship sent me to Damage Control School, the one with the flooding compartments you either have to "save" with shoring and mattresses or drown when the air bubble at the overhead is gone. *THAT separated the men from the claustrophobic in a hurry. *I never heard so much screaming, even after we'd succeeded in slowing up the deluge through the "hull"! Heard several stories bout Damage Controll School ove the years............ The word "screaming" was in each of them..... Sounds a bit hard core. No license yet, just a rating :) AB at east when I finish my Lifeboatman in a couple weeks. This sailboat thing is kinda fun but time to go back to work. Bob |
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On May 13, 2:11*am, Bob wrote:
On May 12, 8:48*pm, Larry wrote: Then, my ship sent me to Damage Control School, the one with the flooding compartments you either have to "save" with shoring and mattresses or drown when the air bubble at the overhead is gone. *THAT separated the men from the claustrophobic in a hurry. *I never heard so much screaming, even after we'd succeeded in slowing up the deluge through the "hull"! Heard several stories bout Damage Controll School ove the years............ The word "screaming" was in each of them..... Sounds a bit hard core. No license yet, just a rating :) AB at east when I finish my Lifeboatman in a couple weeks. This sailboat thing is kinda fun but time to go back to work. Bob AB, oh you must mean Alzheimer bound. Study hard Bob and you might rate Cabin Boy. Fred |
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Bob wrote in news:d3842ec3-c5bb-402b-aa0c-df162a048cb3
@k1g2000prb.googlegroups.com: Heard several stories bout Damage Controll School ove the years............ The word "screaming" was in each of them..... Sounds a bit hard core. Unlike merchant seamen who can quit, Navy sailors don't have that option so you can treat them as the slaves they truly are. MY Navy was different than today. If you were to carry the garbage to the dumpster on the pier, you either had to get into your dress uniform, ready for inspection, or go through the paperwork motions and get a permission slip signed by someone in authority to authorize you to walk onto the pier in your dungarees the Navy was so ashamed of, because they actually WERE slave's clothes. Getting in your whites to take out the garbage was much easier..... |
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On Tue, 13 May 2008 14:56:07 +0000, Larry wrote:
Bob wrote in news:d3842ec3-c5bb-402b-aa0c-df162a048cb3 : Heard several stories bout Damage Controll School ove the years............ The word "screaming" was in each of them..... Sounds a bit hard core. Nah, part of the fun. Nobody was that scared. If you did it at Great Lakes in the cold months like I did it was when the Lake Michigan water hit your balls that the screaming really began. It's the real stuff that has you ****ing your pants, not the training. The Forrestal guys were brave men, and many died. Part of my HT training in '76 was watching Navy videotape of DC crews on that ship approaching flight deck fires with 500 pounders in the flames. Time after time a bomb would explode and a hose team would just simply disappear. Soon another team would replace them. Think there was a 10 minute sequence where 3 teams were blasted away by one fire. A Chief was commanding each team. They ran out of Chiefs. Hull Technician replaced Damage Control as a rating in the early '70s. On my regular Navy tour I was a BT (boilerman) and as the wrecker on my GQ casualty team once was called to an electrical fire in the aft steering space. That smoke was so stinking bad it closed up you lungs and eyes right away. I was scared to death. Luckily the DC men didn't need me. They just put on OBA's, yelled at me to get out, jumped into the hole and struck the fire with CO2 bottles. Never put on my OBA. (Did you get the OBA as grenade deomonstration?) As an HT reserve it was nothing but training. Unlike merchant seamen who can quit, Navy sailors don't have that option so you can treat them as the slaves they truly are. MY Navy was different than today. If you were to carry the garbage to the dumpster on the pier, you either had to get into your dress uniform, ready for inspection, or go through the paperwork motions and get a permission slip signed by someone in authority to authorize you to walk onto the pier in your dungarees the Navy was so ashamed of, because they actually WERE slave's clothes. Getting in your whites to take out the garbage was much easier..... I was shocked at the "discipline" difference between my '64-68 tour and when I went back aboard ships in the reserves '75-76. Zumwalt probably had a lot to do with that, but the times and the command also make a difference. AFAIK it's a better Navy today. Smarter. And can you believe there's females on ships!? Don't mean to sound like Wilbur, but I still just can't fathom that. As the 17 year-old I was, that would have drove me absolutely crazy. But as I said, they're probably smarter now. Still, even now at 61, it just don't seem "natural" for a fighting ship, and it would have my mind in the wrong places. --Vic |
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Vic Smith wrote in
: AFAIK it's a better Navy today. Smarter. Very smart. My last cruise was as a guest aboard the USS Pennsylvania SSBN-735 out of Kings Bay, GA. What a great 16 hour tour with the Navy elite. Too bad they had to suspend Friends and Family Cruises after that jerk politician surfaced under the Japanese fishing trawler showing off. I never quite got over how CLEAN the big Trident boomer was, especially the air. There were 400 extra bodies eating up the O2 and not a hint of oil or diesel (of course) or any kind of odd odors as the scrubbers did their thing. We were at sea the day Kim Il Sung of N Korea died. I tell my friends it was because he had a spy aboard and got a report that I was sitting at the main missile firing console sorting through some keys.... (c; I even took a nap between missile tubes 9 and 11 in my buddy Mark's rack....very comfortable with multichannel stereo sound, sound proofing curtain, thick foam mattress and a reading light. A far cry from my canvas and cotton strung aluminum frame rack stacked 5 high on 2 flimsy chains that broke injuring 5 guys in the stack of 5 when it collapsed. The Repair Dept crew quarters was right over the engine room on AD-24 and I've slept with 200 sweaty sailors at 102 degrees F with only 3 little portholes for ventilation because the damned AC power failed, again....PU! They'd stand there making sure you didn't use much fresh water in the showers, while at the same time the evaporators designed to power AD-24 and EIGHT destroyers under overhaul was POURING fresh water out the huge vent pipes over the side into the Atlantic. How stupid! We were just prisoners....volunteer prisoners avoiding the Vietnam Army draft. |
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On 2008-05-12 13:13:06 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
said: He asks for help who needs help. Hardly. Those who most need help are least likely to ask for it. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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On 2008-05-11 23:12:16 -0400, Larry said:
"Hold a second. I got one of those in my tools." and go running off to retrieve it. Next thing you know, you've infected his whole family and they've joined the rest of the dock in actually enjoying each other's company. That describes our dock pretty well. I admit to having a fairly large set of toolboxes with some unusual tools for a little boat -- though I didn't have a hammer for years (If I needed it for anything other than nails, I was doing something wrong; I had to drive nails once, so it's now on the boat) -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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Jere Lull wrote in news:2008051322314843658-
jerelull@maccom: I had to drive nails once, so it's now on the boat) On our docks, we drive nails so we don't have to keep fishing the dock walkers out of the drink under the finger pier floats....(c; Some cheat and drive stainless screws in instead of nails. |
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On Wed, 14 May 2008 01:29:11 +0000, Larry wrote:
We were just prisoners....volunteer prisoners avoiding the Vietnam Army draft. I was a USAF reenlistment clerk while I dodged that same draft. In Charleston S.C. Lovely town. Casady |
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On Wed, 14 May 2008 01:29:11 +0000, Larry wrote:
Vic Smith wrote in : AFAIK it's a better Navy today. Smarter. We were just prisoners....volunteer prisoners avoiding the Vietnam Army draft. I enlisted in the Navy when I was 16, about a month before JFK was shot. Everything was done but the oath taking. Took the oath and was in boot camp all in one day a couple months later, the day after my 17th birthday. My ma wouldn't let me go on my birthday. Viet Nam and the draft had nothing to do with it. I never had a draft card. If Viet Nam had been hot when I turned 17 I probably would have joined the Marines to fight commies. A couple years into my Navy time there was a call for Swift boat crew for Viet Nam and I volunteered. They didn't want boilermen on Swift boats, so I never scored that hazardous duty pay. Like I said, smarter Navy today. Mostly due to better education, better training, and fewer 17 year-olds. And not a one of them is dodging the draft. --Vic |
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"Vic Smith" wrote in message ... On Wed, 14 May 2008 01:29:11 +0000, Larry wrote: Vic Smith wrote in m: AFAIK it's a better Navy today. Smarter. We were just prisoners....volunteer prisoners avoiding the Vietnam Army draft. I enlisted in the Navy when I was 16, about a month before JFK was shot. Everything was done but the oath taking. Took the oath and was in boot camp all in one day a couple months later, the day after my 17th birthday. My ma wouldn't let me go on my birthday. Viet Nam and the draft had nothing to do with it. I never had a draft card. If Viet Nam had been hot when I turned 17 I probably would have joined the Marines to fight commies. A couple years into my Navy time there was a call for Swift boat crew for Viet Nam and I volunteered. They didn't want boilermen on Swift boats, so I never scored that hazardous duty pay. Like I said, smarter Navy today. Mostly due to better education, better training, and fewer 17 year-olds. And not a one of them is dodging the draft. --Vic Well said, Vic |
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Vic Smith wrote in
: On Wed, 14 May 2008 01:29:11 +0000, Larry wrote: Vic Smith wrote in m: AFAIK it's a better Navy today. Smarter. We were just prisoners....volunteer prisoners avoiding the Vietnam Army draft. I enlisted in the Navy when I was 16, about a month before JFK was shot. Everything was done but the oath taking. Took the oath and was in boot camp all in one day a couple months later, the day after my 17th birthday. My ma wouldn't let me go on my birthday. Viet Nam and the draft had nothing to do with it. I never had a draft card. If Viet Nam had been hot when I turned 17 I probably would have joined the Marines to fight commies. A couple years into my Navy time there was a call for Swift boat crew for Viet Nam and I volunteered. They didn't want boilermen on Swift boats, so I never scored that hazardous duty pay. Like I said, smarter Navy today. Mostly due to better education, better training, and fewer 17 year-olds. And not a one of them is dodging the draft. --Vic Do you still think Vietnam was about defending America, even after all the exposed lies like Gulf of Tonkin, McNamara's bankers and defense contractor friends, political payoffs, dirty tricks, etc.? Duty - Honor - Country had nothing to do with it. America was never attacked by a single Vietnamese until Americans entered the whorehouses in Saigon. Vietnam was about SUSTAINED WAR so the Bankers of the Federal Reserve Private Bank could loan out billions of dollars at awful interest to the Federal Government to burn with defense contractors....EXACTLY what Dwight Eisenhower warned us about as he left the White House.... ......as is all the wars the Bush-BinLaden family billionaires are running today.... Money and Murder and Israel ....plain and simple. |
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On Thu, 15 May 2008 04:12:39 +0000, Larry wrote:
Do you still think Vietnam was about defending America, even after all the exposed lies like Gulf of Tonkin, McNamara's bankers and defense contractor friends, political payoffs, dirty tricks, etc.? Too far off track for here, Larry. E-mail if you really want my response. --Vic |
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Larry wrote:
Vic Smith wrote in : On Wed, 14 May 2008 01:29:11 +0000, Larry wrote: Vic Smith wrote in : AFAIK it's a better Navy today. Smarter. We were just prisoners....volunteer prisoners avoiding the Vietnam Army draft. I enlisted in the Navy when I was 16, about a month before JFK was shot. Everything was done but the oath taking. Took the oath and was in boot camp all in one day a couple months later, the day after my 17th birthday. My ma wouldn't let me go on my birthday. Viet Nam and the draft had nothing to do with it. I never had a draft card. If Viet Nam had been hot when I turned 17 I probably would have joined the Marines to fight commies. A couple years into my Navy time there was a call for Swift boat crew for Viet Nam and I volunteered. They didn't want boilermen on Swift boats, so I never scored that hazardous duty pay. Like I said, smarter Navy today. Mostly due to better education, better training, and fewer 17 year-olds. And not a one of them is dodging the draft. --Vic Do you still think Vietnam was about defending America, even after all the exposed lies like Gulf of Tonkin, McNamara's bankers and defense contractor friends, political payoffs, dirty tricks, etc.? Duty - Honor - Country had nothing to do with it. America was never attacked by a single Vietnamese until Americans entered the whorehouses in Saigon. Vietnam was about SUSTAINED WAR so the Bankers of the Federal Reserve Private Bank could loan out billions of dollars at awful interest to the Federal Government to burn with defense contractors....EXACTLY what Dwight Eisenhower warned us about as he left the White House.... .....as is all the wars the Bush-BinLaden family billionaires are running today.... Money and Murder and Israel ....plain and simple. Paranoia is one of the first steps of several brain disorders including Alshiemers. I know this was misspelled, but right click on the word and see what the spell checker brings up! G |
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I was at Treasure Island, in electronics "A" school when JFK got it.
Joined to get away from what I knew. "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... On Wed, 14 May 2008 01:29:11 +0000, Larry wrote: Vic Smith wrote in m: AFAIK it's a better Navy today. Smarter. We were just prisoners....volunteer prisoners avoiding the Vietnam Army draft. I enlisted in the Navy when I was 16, about a month before JFK was shot. Everything was done but the oath taking. Took the oath and was in boot camp all in one day a couple months later, the day after my 17th birthday. My ma wouldn't let me go on my birthday. Viet Nam and the draft had nothing to do with it. I never had a draft card. If Viet Nam had been hot when I turned 17 I probably would have joined the Marines to fight commies. A couple years into my Navy time there was a call for Swift boat crew for Viet Nam and I volunteered. They didn't want boilermen on Swift boats, so I never scored that hazardous duty pay. Like I said, smarter Navy today. Mostly due to better education, better training, and fewer 17 year-olds. And not a one of them is dodging the draft. --Vic |
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We were just prisoners....volunteer prisoners avoiding the Vietnam Army
draft. That's one "exit strategy," I guess. Vic Smith wrote in I enlisted in the Navy when I was 16, about a month before JFK was shot. Everything was done but the oath taking. Took the oath and was in boot camp all in one day a couple months later, the day after my 17th birthday. My ma wouldn't let me go on my birthday. Viet Nam and the draft had nothing to do with it. I never had a draft card. Well, you guys are older than me... it's a different world now. I joined up in 1979 during the Carter Recession, when the employment section of a major metropolitan newspaper was less than 2 columns. There were not "Help Wanted" signs on every fast-food joint & gas station. If there were, I would not have enlisted. As it was, I took the Navy over the Air Force because they could take me in sooner. If Viet Nam had been hot when I turned 17 I probably would have joined the Marines to fight commies. My cousin, a few years older than me, elected to join the Marines when his draft number came up. MIA I still have a copper bracelet with his name, rank, & service #; but nowadays I only wear it to family occasions where people know what it's for. Like I said, smarter Navy today. Mostly due to better education, better training, and fewer 17 year-olds. And not a one of them is dodging the draft. Agreed. And the military has learned different methods to socialize young people to the task of being in the service. "jlrogers±³©" wrote: I was at Treasure Island, in electronics "A" school when JFK got it. Joined to get away from what I knew. Can't recall where I was when the Embassy people were taken hostage in Tehran. It was certainly an "oh ****, here we go" feeling that went on for a long time. Regards- Doug King, ex-BT1(SW) |
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