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MIAMI - The crew of the Coast Guard Cutter Farallon is towing the
disabled 37-foot sailing vessel Hot Ticket Thursday evening and is
expected to arrive in Key West, Fla., at noon Friday.

The Cutter Farallon arrived on scene at approximately 6 p.m. Thursday
after battling 10 to 12-foot seas for more than 10 hours in response
to a distress call from the Hot Ticket, which became disabled
approximately 130 miles southwest of Fort Myers Beach, Fla., Wednesday
afternoon.

The crew of the sailing vessel Hot Ticket activated their emergency
position indicating radio beacon (EPIRB) Wednesday afternoon when they
lost steering and the vessel began to take on water. The EPIRB signal
was received by search and rescue coordinators at the Eighth Coast
Guard District Command Center in New Orleans. Eighth District
controllers then contacted the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric
Administration's U.S. Mission Control Center in Suitland, Md., to
obtain the Hot Ticket's position from the agency's Cospas-Sarsat
program satellites. Controllers at the Seventh Coast Guard District
were then notified of the case. The position of the Hot Ticket was
also checked against information passed by the captain to a friend
during a satellite phone call.

SAR coordinators at the Seventh Coast Guard District in Miami took
control of the rescue, directing the launch of an HH-60 Jayhawk
helicopter from Coast Guard Air Station Clearwater, Fla. Moments
later, the Atlantic Area Command Center received an alert from the
cruise ship Grandeur of the Seas that relayed a mayday call from the
Hot Ticket. In the mayday call the crew stated they had lost a rudder,
were slowly taking on water and their satellite phone was no longer
working.

Two HC-130 Hercules aircraft from Air Station Clearwater and an HU-25
Falcon jet from Air Station Miami flew missions to remain with the Hot
Ticket throughout Wednesday evening and until shortly before the
Farallon rendezvoused with the Hot Ticket Thursday afternoon.

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On Jan 13, 1:52 pm, Joe wrote:
MIAMI - The crew of the Coast Guard Cutter Farallon is towing the
disabled 37-foot sailing vessel Hot Ticket Thursday evening and is
expected to arrive in Key West, Fla., at noon Friday.


I think Hot Ticket is one of the boats being delivered to Key West for
the big annual regatta there. It is unusual AFAIK for the USCG to
agree to tow a pleasure craft.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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Joe wrote:
MIAMI - The crew of the Coast Guard Cutter Farallon is towing the
disabled 37-foot sailing vessel Hot Ticket Thursday evening and is
expected to arrive in Key West, Fla., at noon Friday.

Well Joe, you live in the USA, world leader of litigation; looks like
you ought to be getting yourself an attorney and claiming unequal
treatment from Uncle Sam's employees.'

Cheers
Marty

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"Joe" wrote in message
...
MIAMI - The crew of the Coast Guard Cutter Farallon is towing the
disabled 37-foot sailing vessel Hot Ticket Thursday evening and is
expected to arrive in Key West, Fla., at noon Friday.

The Cutter Farallon arrived on scene at approximately 6 p.m. Thursday
after battling 10 to 12-foot seas for more than 10 hours in response
to a distress call from the Hot Ticket, which became disabled
approximately 130 miles southwest of Fort Myers Beach, Fla., Wednesday
afternoon.

The crew of the sailing vessel Hot Ticket activated their emergency
position indicating radio beacon (EPIRB) Wednesday afternoon when they
lost steering and the vessel began to take on water. The EPIRB signal
was received by search and rescue coordinators at the Eighth Coast
Guard District Command Center in New Orleans. Eighth District
controllers then contacted the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric
Administration's U.S. Mission Control Center in Suitland, Md., to
obtain the Hot Ticket's position from the agency's Cospas-Sarsat
program satellites. Controllers at the Seventh Coast Guard District
were then notified of the case. The position of the Hot Ticket was
also checked against information passed by the captain to a friend
during a satellite phone call.

SAR coordinators at the Seventh Coast Guard District in Miami took
control of the rescue, directing the launch of an HH-60 Jayhawk
helicopter from Coast Guard Air Station Clearwater, Fla. Moments
later, the Atlantic Area Command Center received an alert from the
cruise ship Grandeur of the Seas that relayed a mayday call from the
Hot Ticket. In the mayday call the crew stated they had lost a rudder,
were slowly taking on water and their satellite phone was no longer
working.

Two HC-130 Hercules aircraft from Air Station Clearwater and an HU-25
Falcon jet from Air Station Miami flew missions to remain with the Hot
Ticket throughout Wednesday evening and until shortly before the
Farallon rendezvoused with the Hot Ticket Thursday afternoon.

No one was injured and had to be evacuated on the Hot Ticket.

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Anonymous wrote:


Two HC-130 Hercules aircraft from Air Station Clearwater and an HU-25
Falcon jet from Air Station Miami flew missions to remain with the Hot
Ticket throughout Wednesday evening and until shortly before the
Farallon rendezvoused with the Hot Ticket Thursday afternoon.

No one was injured and had to be evacuated on the Hot Ticket.



Hmmm... No one injured, so they get two Hercs, a chopper, a Falcon, and
a cutter. Joe has crew with a sprained ankle and gets ONE chopper.
Makes perfect sense to me. Was Hot Ticket even in danger of sinking?
Maybe the CG just doesn't like Texans?

Cheers
Marty

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"Marty" wrote in message
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Anonymous wrote:


Two HC-130 Hercules aircraft from Air Station Clearwater and an HU-25
Falcon jet from Air Station Miami flew missions to remain with the Hot
Ticket throughout Wednesday evening and until shortly before the
Farallon rendezvoused with the Hot Ticket Thursday afternoon.

No one was injured and had to be evacuated on the Hot Ticket.



Hmmm... No one injured, so they get two Hercs, a chopper, a Falcon, and a
cutter. Joe has crew with a sprained ankle and gets ONE chopper. Makes
perfect sense to me. Was Hot Ticket even in danger of sinking? Maybe the
CG just doesn't like Texans?

Cheers
Marty

According to this:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/expect...0026.2007.html

Maybe they thought Joe's boat wasn't worth enough to be saved. See how
"property in danger of loss saved" is measured.

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Anonymous wrote:


Hmmm... No one injured, so they get two Hercs, a chopper, a Falcon, and a
cutter. Joe has crew with a sprained ankle and gets ONE chopper. Makes
perfect sense to me. Was Hot Ticket even in danger of sinking? Maybe the
CG just doesn't like Texans?

Cheers
Marty

According to this:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/expect...0026.2007.html

Maybe they thought Joe's boat wasn't worth enough to be saved. See how
"property in danger of loss saved" is measured.

I don't see in your link the methodology to which you allude. I do see
this sentence "In 2007 the Coast Guard instituted use of a standardized
cost table based solely upon vessel length, type of construction, and
type of use." Now Red Cloud was longer, of steel rather than fiberglass
and engaged in commercial operation, surely of more value than a toy
used for the diversions of the rich?

Cheers
Marty

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Dave wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:33:18 -0500, Marty said:

Now Red Cloud was longer, of steel rather than fiberglass
and engaged in commercial operation, surely of more value than a toy
used for the diversions of the rich?

Um...Marty, how do you throw adjectives like "the rich" into a value
equation. Is there some calculus by which you can determine how much more a
poor man's boat is worth than that of a rich man?


Ah, now Dave I think you're merely being disingenuous, rather than
merely simple. It is obvious to most that the assets of the "rich" are
indeed more worthy protecting. Now don't bother spouting some nonsense
about paranoia, it happens repeatedly. I'll bet you that if one of the
Duponts reports their dog missing in Delaware that there will be a much
larger effort given to finding it than if you report your dog missing.

To deny that money buys influence and that sycophancy is nonexistent is
simply foolish.

Cheers
Marty

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"Marty" wrote in message
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Dave wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:33:18 -0500, Marty said:

Now Red Cloud was longer, of steel rather than fiberglass and engaged in
commercial operation, surely of more value than a toy used for the
diversions of the rich?

Um...Marty, how do you throw adjectives like "the rich" into a value
equation. Is there some calculus by which you can determine how much more
a
poor man's boat is worth than that of a rich man?


Ah, now Dave I think you're merely being disingenuous, rather than merely
simple. It is obvious to most that the assets of the "rich" are indeed
more worthy protecting. Now don't bother spouting some nonsense about
paranoia, it happens repeatedly. I'll bet you that if one of the Duponts
reports their dog missing in Delaware that there will be a much larger
effort given to finding it than if you report your dog missing.

To deny that money buys influence and that sycophancy is nonexistent is
simply foolish.

Cheers
Marty


The New Orleans disaster is a great example... the poor are just not
important enough to be saved.


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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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The New Orleans disaster is a great example... the poor are just not
important enough to be saved.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iesXU...eature=related

http://www.cnn.com/US/9511/gimme_shelter/

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"Dave" wrote in message
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Simply pointing out that you're spouting populist nonsense.

Yes, but it does save one the effort of actually having to think.

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:59:22 -0500, Marty said:

Now Red Cloud was longer, of steel rather than fiberglass
and engaged in commercial operation, surely of more value than a toy
used for the diversions of the rich?

Um...Marty, how do you throw adjectives like "the rich" into a value
equation. Is there some calculus by which you can determine how much
more a
poor man's boat is worth than that of a rich man?


Ah, now Dave I think you're merely being disingenuous, rather than
merely simple.

Simply pointing out that you're spouting populist nonsense.


No... I think Marty got it about right. You have a long history of being
disingenuous, which begs the questions.

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Dave wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:59:22 -0500, Marty said:

Now Red Cloud was longer, of steel rather than fiberglass
and engaged in commercial operation, surely of more value than a toy
used for the diversions of the rich?
Um...Marty, how do you throw adjectives like "the rich" into a value
equation. Is there some calculus by which you can determine how much more a
poor man's boat is worth than that of a rich man?

Ah, now Dave I think you're merely being disingenuous, rather than
merely simple.

Simply pointing out that you're spouting populist nonsense.


You live in a nice world Dave. I suppose that in your world the US
Justice system treats the indigenous and the coloured in the same way it
treats whites and rich?

Cheers
Marty

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"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
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You live in a nice world Dave. I suppose that in your world the US
Justice system treats the indigenous and the coloured in the same way it
treats whites and rich?


The only system in the history of mankind that has treated the most number
of people equally are totalitarian regimes because all freedom and justice
is lacking.

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Anonymous wrote:
"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
You live in a nice world Dave. I suppose that in your world the US
Justice system treats the indigenous and the coloured in the same way it
treats whites and rich?


The only system in the history of mankind that has treated the most number
of people equally are totalitarian regimes because all freedom and justice
is lacking.




Be that as it may, your point would be?

Cheers
Marty

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:54:48 -0500, Martin Baxter said:

Now Red Cloud was longer, of steel rather than fiberglass
and engaged in commercial operation, surely of more value than a toy
used for the diversions of the rich?
Um...Marty, how do you throw adjectives like "the rich" into a value
equation. Is there some calculus by which you can determine how much
more a
poor man's boat is worth than that of a rich man?

Ah, now Dave I think you're merely being disingenuous, rather than
merely simple.

Simply pointing out that you're spouting populist nonsense.


You live in a nice world Dave. I suppose that in your world the US
Justice system treats the indigenous and the coloured in the same way it
treats whites and rich?

Ah, a new variation on the populist theme. You seem to play the theme like
a
Bach fugue, this time in the key of race.

The indigineous people have their own sovereign government and the
"coloured" get preferential treatment in hiring, college entrance, etc. So
it is definitely not equal. I demand equality!

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"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
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Anonymous wrote:
"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
You live in a nice world Dave. I suppose that in your world the US
Justice system treats the indigenous and the coloured in the same way it
treats whites and rich?


The only system in the history of mankind that has treated the most
number of people equally are totalitarian regimes because all freedom and
justice is lacking.


Be that as it may, your point would be?


The counter of your point.

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"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Anonymous wrote:
"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
You live in a nice world Dave. I suppose that in your world the US
Justice system treats the indigenous and the coloured in the same way it
treats whites and rich?


The only system in the history of mankind that has treated the most
number of people equally are totalitarian regimes because all freedom and
justice is lacking.


Be that as it may, your point would be?

Cheers
Marty


Likely the point on top of the pseudo-intellectual's rather pointy head.

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Anonymous wrote:
"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
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You live in a nice world Dave. I suppose that in your world the US
Justice system treats the indigenous and the coloured in the same way
it treats whites and rich?


The only system in the history of mankind that has treated the most
number of people equally are totalitarian regimes because all freedom
and justice is lacking.


Be that as it may, your point would be?

Cheers
Marty


Likely the point on top of the pseudo-intellectual's rather pointy head.

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If anyone is interesed in the historical basis and genuine discussion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarian_democracy

http://instruct.westvalley.edu/lafave/hb.html

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=003...3E2.0.CO%3B2-K

Don't confuse "equality before the law" or "equality of opportunity" with
"equality of outcome".

Also don't think "freedom to" and "freedom from" are anywhere near the same.

The most telling thing about these Utopias is the border is usually guarded
or fenced - to keep people in.

Some Utopias don't want to keep people in, in fact it is a result of their
policies to drive certain ethnic groups out. The worst example of this in
American history is:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...n-blacks_N.htm

It is truly shameful that the local government has institutionalized racism
and few of the population rise to voice concern, but then the people voted
for these rascist policies. Unprincipled democracy in action!

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:33:52 -0700, "Anonymous" said:

The indigineous people have their own sovereign government and the
"coloured" get preferential treatment in hiring, college entrance, etc.
So
it is definitely not equal. I demand equality!

And my calls for a Lief Ericson Day continue to fall on deaf ears.


You mean you don't celebrate it in the East Coast??? Sheesh

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:20:59 -0800, "Capt. JG"
said:

And my calls for a Lief Ericson Day continue to fall on deaf ears.


You mean you don't celebrate it in the East Coast??? Sheesh

Clearly evidence of deeply engrained racism with respect to Scandinavian
Americans.


Heh..

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:20:59 -0800, "Capt. JG"
said:

And my calls for a Lief Ericson Day continue to fall on deaf ears.


You mean you don't celebrate it in the East Coast??? Sheesh

Clearly evidence of deeply engrained racism with respect to Scandinavian
Americans.


Heh..



I forgot to add... some of my best friends are Scandinavian.

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Dave wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:54:48 -0500, Martin Baxter said:

Now Red Cloud was longer, of steel rather than fiberglass
and engaged in commercial operation, surely of more value than a toy
used for the diversions of the rich?
Um...Marty, how do you throw adjectives like "the rich" into a value
equation. Is there some calculus by which you can determine how much more a
poor man's boat is worth than that of a rich man?
Ah, now Dave I think you're merely being disingenuous, rather than
merely simple.
Simply pointing out that you're spouting populist nonsense.

You live in a nice world Dave. I suppose that in your world the US
Justice system treats the indigenous and the coloured in the same way it
treats whites and rich?

Ah, a new variation on the populist theme. You seem to play the theme like a
Bach fugue, this time in the key of race.


You know Dave, simply because a widely held does not make it untrue,
quite the opposite in most cases.

Likening anything I do to a Bach fugue is quite an insult to Bach's
genius, but thanks anyway.

Cheers
Marty

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"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
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You know Dave, simply because a widely held does not make it untrue, quite
the opposite in most cases.


Cheers
Marty

I agree. For example, racial stereotypes are based upon elements of truth.
Making them less widely held beliefs does not make them untrue.

I don't see much causation and very little correlation between belief and
truth.

Take the belief that man is causing global warming. Models used to justify
man as the cause show several degrees warming in the next 100 years. Models
using sunspot numbers based upon past evidence predict a large cooling over
the same period: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2..._longrange.htm
.. Earth temperatureand solar activity have been shown to be correlated
over hundreds of years of data. Man caused global warming models seem to
work only in the future, but right now they are the popular belief. Man
caused global warming models could be made more accurate by assuming the sun
rotates around the earth as well as all other heavenly bodies, a very
popular belief held by many over a long period of time. Accurate
measurements may show the contrary about the movements of the heavens but
that can be resolved by changing the properties of time and space. Adding an
anthropomorphic element such as man's observation of the universe changing
events that happens millions of years in the past, millions of light years
away may help also. To some this may sound a bit silly, but to those
practiced in the art:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...-universe.html
it is a plausible belief. The underlying cause of such irrational
non-thinking is the discarding of truth and methodology and the rise of
using any means to justify desired outcome. This type of non-thinking
permeates leftist politics, has crept into the soft sciences and now is
making inroads into the hard sciences.

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That guy wasn't a total failure when it comes to sailing like you are, Joe!

Wilbur Hubbard


"Joe" wrote in message
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MIAMI - The crew of the Coast Guard Cutter Farallon is towing the
disabled 37-foot sailing vessel Hot Ticket Thursday evening and is
expected to arrive in Key West, Fla., at noon Friday.

The Cutter Farallon arrived on scene at approximately 6 p.m. Thursday
after battling 10 to 12-foot seas for more than 10 hours in response
to a distress call from the Hot Ticket, which became disabled
approximately 130 miles southwest of Fort Myers Beach, Fla., Wednesday
afternoon.

The crew of the sailing vessel Hot Ticket activated their emergency
position indicating radio beacon (EPIRB) Wednesday afternoon when they
lost steering and the vessel began to take on water. The EPIRB signal
was received by search and rescue coordinators at the Eighth Coast
Guard District Command Center in New Orleans. Eighth District
controllers then contacted the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric
Administration's U.S. Mission Control Center in Suitland, Md., to
obtain the Hot Ticket's position from the agency's Cospas-Sarsat
program satellites. Controllers at the Seventh Coast Guard District
were then notified of the case. The position of the Hot Ticket was
also checked against information passed by the captain to a friend
during a satellite phone call.

SAR coordinators at the Seventh Coast Guard District in Miami took
control of the rescue, directing the launch of an HH-60 Jayhawk
helicopter from Coast Guard Air Station Clearwater, Fla. Moments
later, the Atlantic Area Command Center received an alert from the
cruise ship Grandeur of the Seas that relayed a mayday call from the
Hot Ticket. In the mayday call the crew stated they had lost a rudder,
were slowly taking on water and their satellite phone was no longer
working.

Two HC-130 Hercules aircraft from Air Station Clearwater and an HU-25
Falcon jet from Air Station Miami flew missions to remain with the Hot
Ticket throughout Wednesday evening and until shortly before the
Farallon rendezvoused with the Hot Ticket Thursday afternoon.