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On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:05:15 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

What simplistic bull****! Getting more energy out than goes in?? This
sums up Wilma's level of understanding of the world. Don't bother to
read any further.


You never heard of nuclear fusion? That's more energy out than in. ot

Not really. Mass disappears. And it only works with elements lighter
than Iron. In time the universe will consist of pure iron, and if you
want to call that more out than in so be it.
It's
not so far-fetched to believe if it can be done at an atomic level then
why not at a molecular level.

Yes it is so farfetched.

Casady

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"Bloody Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:37:28 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote this crap:

I love it.... "Nuclear fusion at a molecular level"
Funniest thing I've seen in a while.


Hey, there's nuclear fusion on a much larger scale than molecular...
family
bonding for example, something of which Neal has no clew.


Hey, Jon-boy. Nuclear fusion happens at the stellar level. Without
nuclear power the Earth would be just another frozen ball of ice.

I know because I have a degree from M.I.T.


But you're nowheres as smart as JAXAshby. He's in Mensa. He's got
honorary doctorates from several different Ivy League schools.

Wilbur Hubbard

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On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 07:51:43 -0700, wrote:

Its clear why you were a English major.


I love it.... "Nuclear fusion at a molecular level"
Funniest thing I've seen in a while.
You missed the viruses smaller than a chloride ion. Smaller than water
he said. Then there was the carbon molecules.

Casady

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On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:38:15 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

We'll have none of that here. In this group, we obey the laws of
thermodynamics!



Yeah, entropy.

I turned 60 in May and that word assumed a new meaning.

Casady

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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:18:23 -0700, wrote:

Frogwatch wrote:
I've forgotten most of this stuff (it was in the mid-80s). Basically,
the ions cannot respond to the RF but the very light electrons can so
it is the eelctrons in the water doing the work and being heated. A
mist might work but I remember that the discharge was very close to
the electrodes and fell off rapidly as you got away from them. This
guy probably has electrodes very close together.

That makes sense, since the field strength drops off so fast as a
function of distance. How about emitting RF thru a screen or flat
plane emitter; maybe there is some promise a modulated fuel cell with
water mist or vapor pushed thru a carefully controlled RF chamber,
then re-converted almost immediately? If there is a net energy gain in
the reaction, then it should be much better than any hydrogen fuel
cell I've heard of.... Get it worked out, I'll draft a letter to the
BP board, I'm a stockholder.... you can split the royalties with me.
;)

Regards
Doug King


Seems I remember a high school chemistry experiment. Submerge an
electric arc in distilled water and wave a lighted match across the
top of the beaker and produce fire.

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
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"Bloody Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:37:28 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote this crap:

I love it.... "Nuclear fusion at a molecular level"
Funniest thing I've seen in a while.


Hey, there's nuclear fusion on a much larger scale than molecular...
family
bonding for example, something of which Neal has no clew.


Hey, Jon-boy. Nuclear fusion happens at the stellar level. Without
nuclear power the Earth would be just another frozen ball of ice.

I know because I have a degree from M.I.T.


But you're nowheres as smart as JAXAshby. He's in Mensa. He's got
honorary doctorates from several different Ivy League schools.

Wilbur Hubbard

I believe such things are easily purchased in the USA, rather like their
military medals.

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"Edgar" wrote in message
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"Joe" wrote in message
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We never had the _right_ to bear arms like in the US constitution.
After the security tightening all licensed holders of shotgun or other gun
permits had to show real need to be allowed to keep them. Reputable
gunshop businesses were forced to close and a couple of owners of them
committed suicide as their livelihood was taken away without
compensatioon.
Many shotgun owners like myself voluntarily gave up our shotguns to the
police for destruction because for the sake of the occasional vermin shoot
we could not be arsed to cope with all the bureaucracy. But the criminals
did not give up their guns and gun crime in UK has increased ever since.

So you'd rather have the US system? Look at the figures and think about it.
The British health system is flawed too but would you want to swap it for
the US one?

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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 06:48:38 +0100, "Duncan Heenan"
wrote this crap:


But you're nowheres as smart as JAXAshby. He's in Mensa. He's got
honorary doctorates from several different Ivy League schools.

I believe such things are easily purchased in the USA, rather like their
military medals.

That's because you're an idiot. You can believe anything you want.




I'm Horvath and I approve of this post.

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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:09:52 +0700, wrote:




Seems I remember a high school chemistry experiment. Submerge an
electric arc in distilled water and wave a lighted match across the
top of the beaker and produce fire.

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)


That was my eigth grade (nearly fifty years ago) science fair project.
Made an electrolosis device. Would work with either tap water with a
small jolt of sulpheric acid to increase conductivity, or salt water.

Two insulated elctrodes (carbon rods from old batteries) minor amount
of DC charge, and the electrodes begin to precipitate gasses. Pure
hydrogen on one, regardless of the fluid. Either oxygen (water with
acid charge) or chlorine gas, (sal****er).

Really impressed the local judges when every few seconds you could
take the collection test tube of Hydrogen, turn it over, expose it to
a flame and have it "pop".

I couldn't use the salt water fluid at the science fair, they didn't
want chlorine gas, even in small quantities, floating about.

Certainly nothing "breakthrough" about it. More BTU's in than out.
been done forever it seems.

Won second place in my category at the local fair. Didn't even place
at the state fair.

Frank

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"Bloody Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 06:48:38 +0100, "Duncan Heenan"
wrote this crap:


But you're nowheres as smart as JAXAshby. He's in Mensa. He's got
honorary doctorates from several different Ivy League schools.

I believe such things are easily purchased in the USA, rather like their
military medals.

That's because you're an idiot. You can believe anything you want.




I'm Horvath and I approve of this post.

How much did you pay for your diploma then Whorvath?

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On Sep 13, 12:48 am, "Duncan Heenan" to toothless ****** wrote

I believe such things are easily purchased in the USA, rather like their
military medals.- Hide quoted text -



The citation continues: "Corporal Dunham ordered his Marines to block
their movement. As they approached the vehicles, an Iraqi insurgent
leaped out and grabbed Corporal Dunham by the throat.

"In the ensuing struggle, Corporal Dunham noticed the Iraqi insurgent
had a grenade . . . and immediately alerted his fellow Marines as he
wrestled the Iraqi to the ground.

"Aware of the imminent danger to his Marines and without hesitation,
Corporal Dunham threw himself on the grenade and used his body to bear
the brunt of the explosion, shielding his Marines from the blast."

Dunham is the second serviceman and first Marine to receive the Medal
of Honor since the U.S.-led invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. His act
of self-sacrifice was no surprise to family and friends.


Joe

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Joe wrote:

"In the ensuing struggle, Corporal Dunham noticed the Iraqi insurgent
had a grenade . . . and immediately alerted his fellow Marines as he
wrestled the Iraqi to the ground.

"Aware of the imminent danger to his Marines and without hesitation,
Corporal Dunham threw himself on the grenade and used his body to bear
the brunt of the explosion, shielding his Marines from the blast."

An officer would've thrown the insurgent on the grenade, thereby saving
both himself and his men.

--
Pd

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"JohnM" wrote in message
...

"Edgar" wrote in message
...

"Joe" wrote in message
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We never had the _right_ to bear arms like in the US constitution.
After the security tightening all licensed holders of shotgun or other
gun permits had to show real need to be allowed to keep them. Reputable
gunshop businesses were forced to close and a couple of owners of them
committed suicide as their livelihood was taken away without
compensatioon.
Many shotgun owners like myself voluntarily gave up our shotguns to the
police for destruction because for the sake of the occasional vermin
shoot we could not be arsed to cope with all the bureaucracy. But the
criminals did not give up their guns and gun crime in UK has increased
ever since.

So you'd rather have the US system? Look at the figures and think about
it.
The British health system is flawed too but would you want to swap it for
the US one?

No, I would not prefer the US system. I would have preferred that the
British police left people alone who were law-abiding citizens using guns
for sport, and wish that when they were advised that one of these citizens
is developing worrying behaviour patterns they had taken appropriate action
which would have saved many children and one teacher's lives.
As to the health service, no. I would not swap the British one for the US
system but the British one is heavily flawed by excessive bureaucracy. They
should let the medical staff ahve more power and should never have got rid
of the famous post of Matron who had total control of nursing and what went
on in the wards. Now even cleaning is contracted out and you stand a good
chance of contracting MRSA bugs in the hospitals.
My wife and I got fed up with the situation successive governments have
brought to the UK. It is unrecognisable as the country I was brought up in
and accordingly at a somewhat advanced age we emigrated four years ago to a
country where everything still works like clockwork and the health service
puts that of the UK to shame. Since we came here four years ago I have not
once been back.

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wrote in message ...
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 06:14:04 -0700, Joe wrote:

On Sep 13, 12:48 am, "Duncan Heenan" to toothless ****** wrote

I believe such things are easily purchased in the USA, rather like their
military medals.- Hide quoted text -



The citation continues: "Corporal Dunham ordered his Marines to block
their movement. As they approached the vehicles, an Iraqi insurgent
leaped out and grabbed Corporal Dunham by the throat.

"In the ensuing struggle, Corporal Dunham noticed the Iraqi insurgent
had a grenade . . . and immediately alerted his fellow Marines as he
wrestled the Iraqi to the ground.

"Aware of the imminent danger to his Marines and without hesitation,
Corporal Dunham threw himself on the grenade and used his body to bear
the brunt of the explosion, shielding his Marines from the blast."

Dunham is the second serviceman and first Marine to receive the Medal
of Honor since the U.S.-led invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. His act
of self-sacrifice was no surprise to family and friends.

What's that got to do with uk.rec.sailing?
Go and cross post your trolls somewhere else.

Sort yourself out, mate. This is not uk.rec.sailing ng

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In article ,
Andy Champ wrote:

Me wrote:
Bzzzt, Wrong answer, Would you like to try for what is behind
Curtain #3????

Hydrogen burns with an "Almost Invisible Flame" in the near UltraViolet
Region of the Color Spectrum. The Flames seen at the Hindenberg Disaster
were significantly "Yellow" in Spectrum, which shows that the majority
of the visibale flames were from other substances burning, like the
Aluminized Doped Fabric of the Outer Covering, and the Rubberized
GasBags, themselves.

Me who at least can read a ColoromMeter......

How do you know the flames were yellow, when the pictures were all
monochrome?

Andy

I witness accounts..... duh.....

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You wrote:
In article ,
Andy Champ wrote:

Me wrote:
Bzzzt, Wrong answer, Would you like to try for what is behind
Curtain #3????

Hydrogen burns with an "Almost Invisible Flame" in the near UltraViolet
Region of the Color Spectrum. The Flames seen at the Hindenberg Disaster
were significantly "Yellow" in Spectrum, which shows that the majority
of the visibale flames were from other substances burning, like the
Aluminized Doped Fabric of the Outer Covering, and the Rubberized
GasBags, themselves.

Me who at least can read a ColoromMeter......
How do you know the flames were yellow, when the pictures were all
monochrome?

Andy

I witness accounts..... duh.....

No need to try to sound like Wilma. Just give me a reference.

Andy

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"You" wrote in message
...

I witness accounts..... duh.....

Is that the same as ewe witness accounts or are you an auditor ?

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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:03:49 +0100, "Duncan Heenan"
wrote this crap:



How much did you pay for your diploma then Whorvath?


$99 but my military awards are priceless.





I'm Horvath and I approve of this post.

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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:23:46 GMT, You wrote this
crap:


Me who at least can read a ColoromMeter......

How do you know the flames were yellow, when the pictures were all
monochrome?

Andy

I witness accounts..... duh.....


But all the people who were there, are dead.




I'm Horvath and I approve of this post.

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"Reg" notbody@ffggl,mbk wrote in message
. ..

"You" wrote in message
...

I witness accounts..... duh.....

Is that the same as ewe witness accounts or are you an auditor ?


That was a sheepish response.

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Frogwatch wrote:

On Sep 11, 5:02 pm, RW Salnick wrote:

Frank Boettcher brought forth on stone tablets:




On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:42:43 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Burn salt water instead . . .

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

Wilbur Hubbard

Now if he could only figure out what to do with the cholrine gas that
I believe is also released.

Frank

Flame - Hydrogen gas - sea water + RF energy - electrical power -
generator - diesel

That is an enormously complicated way to burn diesel.


I did work similar to this in grad school. Basically, it uses
electricity to produce hydrogen but I am not sure it is any more
efficient than the normal electrolysis. The RF produces a high e
field producing discharges in the water surface thus making hydrogen.
We tried it to break up pollutants but the RF does not go very far
into the water so is sorta innefficient. What he REALLY needs is a
pulsed electrical discharge in the water because that produces a
volumetric effect rather than a surface effect. This requires either
a rotating spark gap or some fancy solid state HV, high current
switches. I'd say, "Not much new here".

I'm not gonna be real impressed until he uses that hydrogen to create
the electricity consumed in creating the RF field. THEN I'll be impressed!

DT

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dt wrote in
:

I'm not gonna be real impressed until he uses that hydrogen to create
the electricity consumed in creating the RF field. THEN I'll be
impressed!

DT



The global search for perpetual motion goes on, unabated, a thousand years
later....

Larry
--

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"Larry" wrote in message
...
dt wrote in
:

I'm not gonna be real impressed until he uses that hydrogen to create
the electricity consumed in creating the RF field. THEN I'll be
impressed!

DT



The global search for perpetual motion goes on, unabated, a thousand
years
later....

Larry
--

Sorry, Larry, but the scenario above is NOT perpetual motion any more
than nuclear fusion is perpetual motion. A complicated atom or molecule
has a higher energy state than a simpler one. If one derives energy from
reducing the complication of the atomic or molecular state such as in
fusing enriched uranium or burning coal one does not produce perpetual
motion. If one can reduce the state of salt water to something simpler
then the energy derived comes from a chemical reaction at the expense of
the molecules. No magic here and no perpetual motion.

Sometimes you sound rather perceptive but I fear said perception is
hindered by a dearth of common sense.

Wilbur Hubbard

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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in news:46eb2b39
:

Sometimes you sound rather perceptive but I fear said perception is
hindered by a dearth of common sense.

Wilbur Hubbard



You must really learn what "sarcasm" is and how to identify it....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

"Because it is vocally oriented, sarcasm can be difficult to grasp in
written form and is easily misinterpreted."

Perhaps I should enter a sarcasm emoticon. Would that help you identify
it, once you've grasped its meaning?

Larry
--
I think Willie is related to L. Ron......(c;
Son? Nephew??

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In article s.com,
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote:

If one derives energy from
reducing the complication of the atomic or molecular state such as in
fusing enriched uranium.......

Willey Boy, NOBODY "fuses" Uranium, enriched or not....Get you Facts
straight, before you spout off, to others, and MAYBE folks would
listen to what you have to say.....

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"You" wrote in message
...
In article s.com,
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote:

If one derives energy from
reducing the complication of the atomic or molecular state such as in
fusing enriched uranium.......

Willey Boy, NOBODY "fuses" Uranium, enriched or not....Get you Facts
straight, before you spout off, to others, and MAYBE folks would
listen to what you have to say.....

Sorry, I used the wrong word. I meant fission, not fusion. Fusion would
be for hydrogen. What's the verb for fission anyway? Fise?

Wilbur Hubbard

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Neal,
Send me an e-mail so I can put you in the address list.

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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Neal,
Send me an e-mail so I can put you in the address list.


I'll see if I can get ahold of the old coot. His boat's right over
there in the anchorage. I'm sure he'll send you an e-mail address right
away.

Wilbur Hubbard

"A foolish man may be known by six things: Anger without cause, speech
without profit, change without progress, inquiry without object, putting
trust in a stranger, and mistaking foes for friends." - - Arabian
Proverb

Now, does that describe the current iteration of the Democrat Party or
what?













JML Sigs

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On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 19:17:37 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Sorry, I used the wrong word. I meant fission, not fusion. Fusion would
be for hydrogen. What's the verb for fission anyway? Fise?

I am pretty sure the verb form would be ' fission '.
On the other hand, the verb form of fusion is ' fuse '. Go figure.

Casady

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Richard Casady wrote:
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 19:17:37 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Sorry, I used the wrong word. I meant fission, not fusion. Fusion would
be for hydrogen. What's the verb for fission anyway? Fise?

I am pretty sure the verb form would be ' fission '.
On the other hand, the verb form of fusion is ' fuse '. Go figure.

I'd vote for to fissure or to split.

I also don't think the subject of this thread will work out to be a new
form of energy in the sense of found energy for our use.

-paul

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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
Burn salt water instead . . .

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

Or, right, I met this guy down the pub, and he came up with this really
crazy idea. In stead of burning diesel in the engine to make by boat
go, right, I could stick these bits of cloth on top of the boat, and he
seems to tell me, my boat will just start going on its own. Blown by
the wind, or summat. I think he was pulling my leg.

Robin

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"R.C. Payne" wrote in message
...
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
Burn salt water instead . . .


http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...600&show_artic
le=1

Or, right, I met this guy down the pub, and he came up
with this really
crazy idea. In stead of burning diesel in the engine to
make by boat
go, right, I could stick these bits of cloth on top of the
boat, and he
seems to tell me, my boat will just start going on its
own. Blown by
the wind, or summat. I think he was pulling my leg.


did he call himself 'Jax' ?

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On 11 Sep, 18:42, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
Burn salt water instead . . .

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

Perpetual motion machines are possible. I know, I read it in the Mail:

http://tinyurl.com/ypgqqw

"we were getting 150 to 200 per cent more energy out than we put in"

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"toad" wrote in message
ups.com...
On 11 Sep, 18:42, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
Burn salt water instead . . .

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

Perpetual motion machines are possible. I know, I read it in the Mail:

http://tinyurl.com/ypgqqw

"we were getting 150 to 200 per cent more energy out than we put in"


Kool! I just know technology is on the verge of a major energy
breakthrough. Scientists always give us this "laws of thermodynamics"
crap when it isn't law at all but theory waiting to be modified.

I envision one day soon a device about the size of a laptop computer
that will allow us to communicate with anybody else anywhere in the
world PLUS produce all the energy we need. Just plug it into out car and
go till the tires wear out. Just plug it into the house and power the
whole thing. Just plug it into your boat and go around the world. Just
plug it into your airplane and fly around the world. It's coming and
it's coming soon.

Wilbur Hubbard

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On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:06:13 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


"toad" wrote in message
oups.com...
On 11 Sep, 18:42, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
Burn salt water instead . . .

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

Perpetual motion machines are possible. I know, I read it in the Mail:

http://tinyurl.com/ypgqqw

"we were getting 150 to 200 per cent more energy out than we put in"


Kool! I just know technology is on the verge of a major energy
breakthrough. Scientists always give us this "laws of thermodynamics"
crap when it isn't law at all but theory waiting to be modified.

Agree that "laws" can inhibit new thought.
I read a SciFi story long ago where a defense contractor set his
engineers to develop an anti-grav vehicle real quick.
They protested that it was against scientific law.
He took them into a screening room where he showed them a secretly
taken film of a Soviet anti-grav vehicle.
They got busy and had a working prototype in a couple weeks.
Of course the boss had shown them a faked film to break the bonds of
their minds.
And of course it was SciFi.
But some SciFi becomes reality.
Hell, who would have ever thought a beer can pull tab would be
possible? I can't remember the last time I saw a church key.

--Vic

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On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:26:32 -0400, Gogarty
wrote:

He was the most down to earth person I havever met and the very best
advertisement for getting rich. He made bundles and earned it, not like
these Wall St. parasites.

Yep, millionaires sure ain't what they used to be.

--Vic

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On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 19:17:37 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote this crap:


Sorry, I used the wrong word. I meant fission, not fusion. Fusion would
be for hydrogen. What's the verb for fission anyway? Fise?

"Fizzed." But only if you're North Korean.




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On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:06:13 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote this crap:



I envision one day soon a device about the size of a laptop computer
that will allow us to communicate with anybody else anywhere in the
world


Naw! If that happens, people will use it for porn.





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