Staysail boom
 

What's the advantage?

Joe

Staysail boom
 

"Joe" wrote in message
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What's the advantage?

Joe


Self-tacking . . .

Staysail boom
 

On Aug 30, 2:54 pm, Joe wrote:
What's the advantage?

Joe

If your staysail is a worn out piece of crap then
a boom is a good idea.

If you have a nicely cut sail, a track system
without a boom will serve you better.

Staysail boom
 

If you have a nicely cut sail, a track system
without a boom will serve you better.



I think that's a bit close minded. Staysails often suffer from wind-
shadowing and a boom will keep them well in place and working, even
when efficiency drops. It will also keep the sail healthy longer. Best
shape MAY be achieved without the boom, but a headsail on a boom (like
the one used on a Alerion 28) is also cut for that specific usage and
it works very well. Adapting a current headsail for a boom
modification may not work as well.


RB
35s5
NY

Staysail boom
 

"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
What's the advantage?

Joe


Another advantage is you can store the staysail lashed to the boom and
covered with a sail cover like a mainsail. You can also store your jib
or jenny hanked on already and in a bag on the foredeck. This makes a
cutter boat look very cool and it's quite fast and handy getting under
way.


Wilbur Hubbard

Staysail boom
 

On Aug 31, 11:40 am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

ups.com...

What's the advantage?

Joe

Another advantage is you can store the staysail lashed to the boom and
covered with a sail cover like a mainsail. You can also store your jib
or jenny hanked on already and in a bag on the foredeck. This makes a
cutter boat look very cool and it's quite fast and handy getting under
way.

Wilbur Hubbard

Good point Wilbur.

My preference is to have a roller furler on a staysail. So you
leave the genoa rolled up with you have to short tack up the
river, or in heavy weather, and use the genoa fo lighter
conditions where you don't have to tack as often. Put a
code zero out in front and you have a nice suit of sails for
all conditions.

Staysail boom
 

My preference is to have a roller furler on a staysail.



You can have RF and the boom, Bart.



RB
35s5
NY

Staysail boom
 

On Sep 1, 7:00 am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
My preference is to have a roller furler on a staysail.

You can have RF and the boom, Bart.

RB
35s5
NY

You can have the boom. I wouldn't have one.

Staysail boom
 

In article .com,
Bart wrote:
On Sep 1, 7:00 am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
My preference is to have a roller furler on a staysail.

You can have RF and the boom, Bart.

RB
35s5
NY

You can have the boom. I wouldn't have one.


me too... don't like self-tacking jibs either.

Staysail boom
 

Have you sailed the Alerion 28? It works very well on that boat. And
I'm sure it can work well on others.



RB
35s5
NY

Staysail boom
 

On Sep 2, 10:38 am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Have you sailed the Alerion 28? It works very well on that boat. And
I'm sure it can work well on others.


Read the advertising brochure a bit more carefully, Bubbles. Or maybe
you simply don't know enough about sailing to recognize the difference
between the Hoyt boom and a plain ol' staysail boom.

As it happens, I have sailed an Alerion; the Hoyt boom is neat but it
takes up a lot of room on & under the foredeck. Personally, I wouldn't
recommend, unless on a much bigger boat.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Staysail boom
 

Read the advertising brochure a bit more carefully, Bubbles. Or maybe
you simply don't know enough about sailing to recognize the
difference
between the Hoyt boom and a plain ol' staysail boom.



Sigh.
They are both types of staysail booms as the Hoyt Jib boom can be used
for staysails. Don't believe that, Doug???
You can find them on Island Packet boats for example, such as the
newer 350. But if ads are all that matter to you, then IP calls it
"The Hoyt Boom equipped Staysail." Check it out, dummy!
I oughta know, Doug. I actually work with this stuff while you read
Cruising World. I'm working on a project now using the system on a
Tayana.
I've sailed the 28 and had no issue with the deck space used. The 28's
design goal was not to have anyone on the foredeck anyway. There
aren't even any lifelines on most hulls.

You've been busted again, Doug.



RB
35s5
NY

Staysail boom
 

On Sep 1, 11:28 pm, (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:
In article .com,

Bart wrote:
On Sep 1, 7:00 am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
My preference is to have a roller furler on a staysail.

You can have RF and the boom, Bart.

RB
35s5
NY

You can have the boom. I wouldn't have one.

me too... don't like self-tacking jibs either.

I've been a fan of them since I saw one on a 38'
Swedish boat owned b a friend of mine. He and
his son won the Double-Handed Farallone's with
it.

I've used them on Hanse's and the system works
well--any you can put a big Genoa for the light air
days. I only miss the Genoa when sailing down
wind. A spinnaker would fix that.

Staysail boom
 

On Sep 2, 10:38 am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Have you sailed the Alerion 28? It works very well on that boat. And
I'm sure it can work well on others.

RB
35s5
NY

I thought we already discussed this. The only
reason for the boom on that boat is this.

The boat is marketed to clueless noobs that can't
or are afraid to fly a spinnaker. Say, that would
be a good boat for you Swabbie!

Staysail boom
 

On Sep 2, 11:41 am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Read the advertising brochure a bit more carefully, Bubbles. Or maybe
you simply don't know enough about sailing to recognize the
difference
between the Hoyt boom and a plain ol' staysail boom.

Sigh.
They are both types of staysail booms as the Hoyt Jib boom can be used
for staysails. Don't believe that, Doug???
You can find them on Island Packet boats for example, such as the
newer 350. But if ads are all that matter to you, then IP calls it
"The Hoyt Boom equipped Staysail." Check it out, dummy!
I oughta know, Doug. I actually work with this stuff while you read
Cruising World. I'm working on a project now using the system on a
Tayana.
I've sailed the 28 and had no issue with the deck space used. The 28's
design goal was not to have anyone on the foredeck anyway. There
aren't even any lifelines on most hulls.

You've been busted again, Doug.

RB
35s5
NY

Doug, Doesn't it make you want to puke when he does
that "Sigh"?

Staysail boom
 

The boat is marketed to clueless noobs that can't
or are afraid to fly a spinnaker. Say, that would
be a good boat for you Swabbie!




Sigh...ho hum.
The Alerion 28 is hardly marketed to anyone "clueless." It's a fairly
high end daysailor and weekender for the more "mature" sailor. Mark
Plough over at Doyle (NY and FL) had one for a while and he's a tad
more knowledgable than you fellas when it comes to sailboats.
Doug was wrong, as usual. Then again, he can argue with my vendor if
he wants.

BTW, Bart....I'm sailing tomorrow with a few friends at 1:00. 150 City
Island Ave. Left side, just past the school. I'm on channel 77. Or
tell the dockmaster you're there for Bob Brody and I'm on K dock near
the end. Looks like plenty of wind. You can also email me in the
morning if you really want to come and I'll buzz you. I don't think
I'm too far from you, maybe 60-90 minute drive?


RB
35s5
NY

Staysail boom
 

"Bart" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Sep 1, 11:28 pm, (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:
In article .com,

Bart wrote:
On Sep 1, 7:00 am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
My preference is to have a roller furler on a staysail.

You can have RF and the boom, Bart.

RB
35s5
NY

You can have the boom. I wouldn't have one.

me too... don't like self-tacking jibs either.

I've been a fan of them since I saw one on a 38'
Swedish boat owned b a friend of mine. He and
his son won the Double-Handed Farallone's with
it.

I've used them on Hanse's and the system works
well--any you can put a big Genoa for the light air
days. I only miss the Genoa when sailing down
wind. A spinnaker would fix that.



My only experience with them was with boats that seemed to have very narrow
tracks athwartships.


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Staysail boom
 

"Bart" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Sep 2, 10:38 am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Have you sailed the Alerion 28? It works very well on that boat. And
I'm sure it can work well on others.

RB
35s5
NY

I thought we already discussed this. The only
reason for the boom on that boat is this.

The boat is marketed to clueless noobs that can't
or are afraid to fly a spinnaker. Say, that would
be a good boat for you Swabbie!




Well, the other reasons might be having too much money lying around and not
wanting the stir oneself from one's seat.

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Staysail boom
 

Read the advertising brochure a bit more carefully, Bubbles. Or maybe
you simply don't know enough about sailing to recognize the
difference
between the Hoyt boom and a plain ol' staysail boom.


Bobsprit wrote:
They are both types of staysail booms as the Hoyt Jib boom can be used
for staysails. Don't believe that, Doug???

Umm, sure.
Whatever you say.

There is a very very big difference between a the Hoyt type boom and a
traditional staysail boom.
If you know what it is, please explain so that we can tell you're not
BSing.... again....



I oughta know, Doug. I actually work with this stuff

Yeah, sure. That's why you don't know what a Hoyt boom is or what it
does.

I've sailed the 28 and had no issue with the deck space used.

Of course not.

Bart wrote:
Doug, Doesn't it make you want to puke when he does
that "Sigh"?

Nah, Bubbles makes me laugh. It's clear that he thinks being a sailor
is *cool* but I don't know why he thinks he can fool anybody. Calling
himself "Captain" shows how clueless he is. I don't read very many of
his posts and wouldn't have read this one except for your reply, Bart.

DSK

Staysail boom
 

There is a very very big difference between a the Hoyt type boom and
a
traditional staysail boom.



I love when Doug gets busted and tries so hard to change the topic.
Joe asked about staysail booms and I brought up the furling version.
Then you jumped in with nothing useful to add and claimed it was a JIB
boom and not the same thing.
Well, duh! But you were essentially wrong since that particular model
is also usable for staysails, so your original point meant nothing.
Now you're going to point out the differences between the Hoyt model
and a traditional model? Uh, okay! Knock yourself out.
Just so we're clear, you didn't even KNOW that the Hoyt model was used
on staysails or you would have never made an ass of yourself for
100889th time!

Hoyt system is used for STAYSAILS as well as jibs, Doug. The operation
of the system is the same, you asshole!

BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHHHA!


RB
35s5
NY

Staysail boom
 

Yeah, sure. That's why you don't know what a Hoyt boom is or what it
does.



You mean the model that you didn't know was used for staysails!!!???
BWAHAHAHHHA! Keep trying, Doug! There are at least two other vessels
besides ALerion and IP using the system for jibs and staysails. Know
who they are?
Do you know what's needed to install the system on a Tayana 37 and why
the sail needs to be cut lower and the boom angles adjusted? Which
should be changed, Doug...the knuckle from 57 degrees? Maybe we should
custom fabricate a pedestal due to the loads? I know the answer.

You're such a friken blow-hard. It's truly astonishing.


RB
35s5
NY

Staysail boom
 

It's clear that he thinks being a sailor
is *cool*



I do think it's cool. I think it's fun, beautiful. relaxing, engaging,
challenging and great for friends, family and kids. It's a "cool"
thing to do and most people who do it are "cool" with me, especially
the ones who were "cool" enough to keep a sailboat in their lives.
Oh. Right. You ended up in a POWERBOAT!!!!


Hoooh ahhhh! HAHAHAHA!


RB
35s5
NY

Staysail boom
 

On Sep 4, 12:07 pm,
Yeah, sure. That's why you don't know what a Hoyt boom is or what it
does.

Bobsprit wrote:
You mean the model that you didn't know was used for staysails!!!???

Why would a "staysail boom" not be used for staysails?

BWAHAHAHHHA! Keep trying, Doug!

Keep trying what? To get you to make sense when you try to talk about
sailing?

Bubbles, you haven't answered the question: what is the difference
between a Hoyt boom and any other type? It's very simple and easy.

DSK

Staysail boom
 

Bubbles, you haven't answered the question: what is the difference
between a Hoyt boom and any other type? It's very simple and easy.



Doug, you're not going to shift the discussion, Doug. Anyone can go
look up the info on the Hoyt boom. You made this post, which makes NO
sense.

Or maybe
you simply don't know enough about sailing to recognize the
difference
between the Hoyt boom and a plain ol' staysail boom.

As I pointed out to Joe, he could use a system like that of the IP or
Alerion. They are the same unit with only a slight mod for deck camber
on some other boats. Joe's question about a staysail boom does not
exclude bringing in the model used on the Alerion.
Now that you know this (AFTER I posted that Island Packet uses it for
their staysails!), you're sadly trying to shift the focus. It aint
working.
Joe asked a question and got answers. You had nothing useful to add.

For anyone interested in Hoyt staysail or jib booms, CDI/Furlex
furlers and sails (exotic or otherwise) you can e-mail for technical
info and the better prices. In fact, I can beat any price of typical
online lofts and the sails won't come from China.
Why would any of this interest Doug, who is a powerboater, is anyone's
guess.


RB
35s5
NY

Staysail boom
 

Bubbles, you haven't answered the question: what is the difference
between a Hoyt boom and any other type? It's very simple and easy.

"Capt. Rob" wrote:
Doug, you're not going to shift the discussion, Doug. Anyone can go
look up the info on the Hoyt boom.

Apparently, you can't... or you look it up and it makes no sense to
you.

The Hoyt boom is fixed in it's plane of rotation. In other words,
while a garden-variety staysail boom swingt side to side, and it also
lifts up & down. The Hoyt boom is fixed on two bearings so that it
swings only on an axis parallel to the stay on which the sail is set.
For any trim adjustment, the leach tension stays the same.



..... Joe's question about a staysail boom does not
exclude bringing in the model used on the Alerion.

Nope, it doesn't... Joe could use it, but you can't explain why he
should or shouldn't.

Anybody surprised?




For anyone interested in Hoyt staysail or jib booms, CDI/Furlex
furlers and sails (exotic or otherwise) you can e-mail for technical
info and the better prices. In fact, I can beat any price of typical
online lofts

Sure you can. Why wouldn't you have the lowest price on stuff you
don't comprehend?

DSK

Staysail boom
 

The Hoyt boom is fixed in it's plane of rotation. In other words,
while a garden-variety staysail boom swingt side to side, and it also
lifts up & down.


And this excluded it from a discussion on staysails WHY??? Did Joe ask
for a specific staysail boom type? Please post where he did so we can
all know what you're carrying on about.

the leach tension stays the same.


Gee whiz, just like the online manual says!



Nope, it doesn't... Joe could use it, but you can't explain why he
should or shouldn't.


I did already, Doug. The Hoyt system's advantages were outlined and
anyone can read the info on the site. The advantages over a standard
staysail boom were already pointed out.
The problem, Doug, as usual, is that you can't stand that I not only
know about this stuff, but also use it.
BTW, since you claim to have sailed the A28, please explain how the
jib boom was in your way on the boat? I have never heard this
complaint before on a boat designed for sailors to sail from the
cockpit. Just what did you go forward for and how many times did you
trip? We're dying to know!
Keep reading those issues of Cruising World.


RB
35s5
NY

Staysail boom
 

The Hoyt boom is fixed in it's plane of rotation. In other words,
while a garden-variety staysail boom swingt side to side, and it also
lifts up & down.

Bobsprit wrote:
And this excluded it from a discussion on staysails WHY???

It doesn't.

That's why I mentioned it.

I don't know why you claimed to know all about it, when you didn't
know (and still don't comprehend) what makes it different.



I did already, Doug.

Already did what?

You got three chances to explain the difference between a Hoyt boom
and other types.... thundering silence.... kind of like when you
claimed Robert Perry said a Beneteau 35s5 has an IOR-influenced
tucked



BTW, since you claim to have sailed the A28, please explain how the
jib boom was in your way on the boat?


It's in the way of anybody who tries ot work on the foredeck.

..... I have never heard this
complaint before on a boat designed for sailors to sail from the
cockpit.


Maybe they never docked or anchored the boat. How about you?

BTW I've not only sailed the Shumacher designed Alerion Express 28,
but an original Herreshoff Alerion, and I had a chance to chat briefly
with Carl Shumacher about comparing the designs, back when it was a
new boat. Oh wait, that's dropping names again isn't it? Sorry.

DSK

Staysail boom
 

That's why I mentioned it.



Uh, no, little Doug. I mentioned it. You only came in all in a huff
with nothing to add and all threatened as usual.


It's in the way of anybody who tries ot work on the foredeck.


This is about the dumbest item ever. The A28 is setup so you don't
work the foredeck. I know you've never sailed one ever. There's no
need to go forward. And if you did the boom is no more in the way than
the sail would be when hoisted. The whole point of the thing is to
reduce foredeckl work for people who aren't fit or agile enough to
step over a boom...like YOU, Doug!


Carl Shumacher about comparing the designs, back when it was a
new boat. Oh wait, that's dropping names again isn't it?


Golly, Doug. We're all very impressed!



RB
35s5
NY

Staysail boom
 

You got three chances to explain the difference between a Hoyt boom
and other types.... thundering silence.... kind of like when you
claimed Robert Perry said a Beneteau 35s5 has an IOR-influenced
tucked


Oh no! I missed my chance to cite stuff that Doug will claim I found
on a website!
Pics of the 35s5 flanks will settle everything soon. Best to do it
when she's on the hard.
And don't forget that humiliation I'll add to your life on the J29
issue. I haven't forgotten that and she's due to be hauled soon at my
yard.
I back up what I say, while you just chant on and on, trawler boy!

I'll be sailing tomorrow while you sit at home! Now look at this,
Doug....here's a pretty lady who cares about her husband and wouldn't
want him stuck on a trawler....

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...s35s5/Lab3.jpg

And that's the only reason you even answer my trolls, Doug. You struck
out bigtime.




RB
35s5
NY

Staysail boom
 

You got three chances to explain the difference between a Hoyt boom
and other types.... thundering silence.... kind of like when you
claimed Robert Perry said a Beneteau 35s5 has an IOR-influenced
tucked

Bobsprit wrote:
Oh no! I missed my chance to cite stuff that Doug will claim I found
on a website!

Like the way you found a Robert Perry article that backed up what I
said about "your" boat? Go ahead and tell everyone again what an
expert you are!

Pics of the 35s5 flanks will settle everything soon.

Yep, sure will.


I'll be sailing tomorrow while you sit at home!

Not quite, Bubbles.

I'm out cruising, remember? Ever hear of "wireless"?

And that's the only reason you even answer my trolls, Doug.

Your posts are just trolls, aren't they Bubbles? Nothing you say has
any substance in reality, least of all your claims about sailing. But
you're a great troller, and that's what really counts.... to you....

DSK

Staysail boom
 

I'm out cruising, remember? Ever hear of "wireless"?



You mean we'll both be sailing tomorrow??? What boat are you sailing?
That's much better news!


Your posts are just trolls, aren't they Bubbles? Nothing you say
has
any substance in reality, least of all your claims about sailing.


Yeah, Doug. All of my pics and videos must be fakes, or at least
that's your sad little crumb that you cling to!


But
you're a great troller, and that's what really counts.... to you....



Why thank you, Doug. It IS what counts on ASA and makes up the bulk of
the content here. I appreciate you patronage and loyalty.



RB
35s5
NY

Staysail boom
 

On Sep 4, 12:00 pm, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
There is a very very big difference between a the Hoyt type boom and
a
traditional staysail boom.

I love when Doug gets busted and tries so hard to change the topic.
Joe asked about staysail booms and I brought up the furling version.
Then you jumped in with nothing useful to add and claimed it was a JIB
boom and not the same thing.
Well, duh! But you were essentially wrong since that particular model
is also usable for staysails, so your original point meant nothing.
Now you're going to point out the differences between the Hoyt model
and a traditional model? Uh, okay! Knock yourself out.
Just so we're clear, you didn't even KNOW that the Hoyt model was used
on staysails or you would have never made an ass of yourself for
100889th time!

Hoyt system is used for STAYSAILS as well as jibs, Doug. The operation
of the system is the same, you asshole!

BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHHHA!

RB
35s5
NY

You are right Doug,

He has no clue about the differences. He
totally loses the argument because he can't
answer the question, and then claims you
are busted again.

It reminds me of the time he thought a
kedge anchor needed 300' of rhode. grin

Staysail boom
 

On Sep 4, 12:13 pm, wrote:
On Sep 4, 12:07 pm,

Yeah, sure. That's why you don't know what a Hoyt boom is or what it
does.
Bobsprit wrote:
You mean the model that you didn't know was used for staysails!!!???

Why would a "staysail boom" not be used for staysails?

BWAHAHAHHHA! Keep trying, Doug!

Keep trying what? To get you to make sense when you try to talk about
sailing?

Bubbles, you haven't answered the question: what is the difference
between a Hoyt boom and any other type? It's very simple and easy.

DSK

Doug he is not making any sense at all now. Don't
waste your time on him.

Staysail boom
 

On Sep 4, 1:36 pm, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Bubbles, you haven't answered the question: what is the difference
between a Hoyt boom and any other type? It's very simple and easy.

Doug, you're not going to shift the discussion, Doug. Anyone can go
look up the info on the Hoyt boom. You made this post, which makes NO
sense.

Or maybe
you simply don't know enough about sailing to recognize the
difference
between the Hoyt boom and a plain ol' staysail boom.

As I pointed out to Joe, he could use a system like that of the IP or
Alerion. They are the same unit with only a slight mod for deck camber
on some other boats. Joe's question about a staysail boom does not
exclude bringing in the model used on the Alerion.
Now that you know this (AFTER I posted that Island Packet uses it for
their staysails!), you're sadly trying to shift the focus. It aint
working.
Joe asked a question and got answers. You had nothing useful to add.

For anyone interested in Hoyt staysail or jib booms, CDI/Furlex
furlers and sails (exotic or otherwise) you can e-mail for technical
info and the better prices. In fact, I can beat any price of typical
online lofts and the sails won't come from China.
Why would any of this interest Doug, who is a powerboater, is anyone's
guess.

RB
35s5
NY

OMG, why would anyone ever consider buying sails
from a clueless newbie. I need to call down there and
tell those folk how much business he is driving away.

Staysail boom
 

On Sep 4, 6:05 pm, wrote:
Bobsprit wrote:


BTW, since you claim to have sailed the A28, please explain how the
jib boom was in your way on the boat?

It's in the way of anybody who tries ot work on the foredeck.

..... I have never heard this

it is like I said earlier, jib booms are for people who
don't know how to use downwind sails. Swabbie
Robbie, has never flown a spinnaker, or he would
know that a jib boom is a huge tripping hazard.


complaint before on a boat designed for sailors to sail from the
cockpit.

Maybe they never docked or anchored the boat. How about you?

BTW I've not only sailed the Shumacher designed Alerion Express 28,
but an original Herreshoff Alerion, and I had a chance to chat briefly
with Carl Shumacher about comparing the designs, back when it was a
new boat. Oh wait, that's dropping names again isn't it? Sorry.

DSK

Slam. You got him good again Doug.

Staysail boom
 

"Bart" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Sep 4, 12:00 pm, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
There is a very very big difference between a the Hoyt type boom and
a
traditional staysail boom.

I love when Doug gets busted and tries so hard to change the topic.
Joe asked about staysail booms and I brought up the furling version.
Then you jumped in with nothing useful to add and claimed it was a JIB
boom and not the same thing.
Well, duh! But you were essentially wrong since that particular model
is also usable for staysails, so your original point meant nothing.
Now you're going to point out the differences between the Hoyt model
and a traditional model? Uh, okay! Knock yourself out.
Just so we're clear, you didn't even KNOW that the Hoyt model was used
on staysails or you would have never made an ass of yourself for
100889th time!

Hoyt system is used for STAYSAILS as well as jibs, Doug. The operation
of the system is the same, you asshole!

BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHHHA!

RB
35s5
NY

You are right Doug,

He has no clue about the differences. He
totally loses the argument because he can't
answer the question, and then claims you
are busted again.

It reminds me of the time he thought a
kedge anchor needed 300' of rhode. grin



Maybe he was talking about Rhode Island....


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www.sailnow.com