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Slips Can be Safer
Scotty crapped:
As for slips vs. moorings, slips can be a lot safer TOTAL BULL ****! No, Scotty Potty. It's not bull**** and once again you show how little you know. A lot of sailors like Scotty walk around repeating generalities they've heard without any practical knowledge at all. Folks like Scotty, Martin and Doug are perfect examples of this problem. So here's why slips CAN BE SAFER than moorings. 1) Some moorings in high current zones take a lot of abuse and simply take to much pounding to be of value against a well protected marina with slips. 2) High traffic, high volume mooring fields see plenty of collisions due to operator error and boats breaking free and playing pinball with others. 3) If a protected marina (such as ours) never experiences weather that can damage it, the boats are better off than those exposed on moorings. Last years storms were a perfect example as ALL of the boats damaged were from moorings. 4) Boats in slips will see more regular maintenance due to the accessibility. Gear is kept cleaner. Safer boat. 5) In 25 knots winds a mooring field can be a handful and transferring to a dinghy or launch difficult and dangerous. Older folks will be at risk along with children. Our protected slips see about half that much wind on most days, so it's far easier and safer. 6) Slips are usually protected by one or more breakwaters, leaving the boats calm and not straining most of the time. Moored boats see far more wave action and lines, standing rigging and steering systems take a pounding. 7) You can ALWAYS get to your boat even in the worst weather when you have well designed and located slips like ours. 8) ALL lightening strikes in our area (and there are plenty) are on the boats that are moored. So there you have it. This does not apply to all areas. There are plenty of spots where slips are downright risky and a mooring is a lot smarter, but on City Island, Port Washington and other popular sailboat spots, slips are like gold. I won't even get into how much more use we get out of the boat because of a slip, or how much better it is when Thomas' grandparents come along. And if Suzanne and I want privacy the club maintains moorings as well, which can be used by members. The best of both worlds. One by one, when they could afford it, my friends have moved to slips and the mooring damage cycle has ended. RB 35s5 NY |
Slips Can be Safer
I rest my case.
"Capt. **** Head" wrote slips are downright risky and a mooring is a lot smarter |
Slips Can be Safer
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:45:49 -0000, "Capt. Rob"
wrote: So here's why slips CAN BE SAFER than moorings. 1) Some moorings in high current zones take a lot of abuse and simply take to much pounding to be of value against a well protected marina with slips. 2) High traffic, high volume mooring fields see plenty of collisions due to operator error and boats breaking free and playing pinball with others. 3) If a protected marina (such as ours) never experiences weather that can damage it, the boats are better off than those exposed on moorings. Last years storms were a perfect example as ALL of the boats damaged were from moorings. 4) Boats in slips will see more regular maintenance due to the accessibility. Gear is kept cleaner. Safer boat. 5) In 25 knots winds a mooring field can be a handful and transferring to a dinghy or launch difficult and dangerous. Older folks will be at risk along with children. Our protected slips see about half that much wind on most days, so it's far easier and safer. 6) Slips are usually protected by one or more breakwaters, leaving the boats calm and not straining most of the time. Moored boats see far more wave action and lines, standing rigging and steering systems take a pounding. 7) You can ALWAYS get to your boat even in the worst weather when you have well designed and located slips like ours. 8) ALL lightening strikes in our area (and there are plenty) are on the boats that are moored. So there you have it. This does not apply to all areas. There are plenty of spots where slips are downright risky and a mooring is a lot smarter, but on City Island, Port Washington and other popular sailboat spots, slips are like gold. I won't even get into how much more use we get out of the boat because of a slip, or how much better it is when Thomas' grandparents come along. And if Suzanne and I want privacy the club maintains moorings as well, which can be used by members. The best of both worlds. One by one, when they could afford it, my friends have moved to slips and the mooring damage cycle has ended. This is cogent statement laying out considerations of mooring/anchoring versus slipping. Is there a website where this type of good info is found, perhaps pointing out mooring and slip conditions in different ports? I'm thinking Captain Neal possibly could add this to his website, maybe in a new "Tie-Ups" section. It would be quite helpful to sailing novices like me. --Vic |
Slips Can be Safer
"Dave" wrote in message
... On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:20:05 -0500, Vic Smith said: It would be quite helpful to sailing novices like me. Those of us who have owned boats for 30-40 years recognize that anything you hear from BS should be taken cum granulo salis. Do you mean cum grano salis? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Slips Can be Safer
There is certainly no doubt that there are advantages to keeping a
boat in a slip. I've been willing to pay the premium for the convenience, even though we're gone more than half of the summer. You can always say that *some* slips are more protected, and *some* moorings are less protected. But one must be careful of generalities. In my experience, most marinas are well protected, but not all. For example, in Vineyard Haven I just spent some time on a mooring behind the breakwater feeling quite secure. In fact, I've sat out several gales and near miss hurricanes in that spot. The nearby marinas, however, are not protected and generally are emptied (to unprotected moorings!) when a Nor'easter blows up. While some mooring fields feel like bumper ball, most have generous spacing and frankly, I've seen (and perhaps caused) more damage from sloppy boat handling in marinas than in mooring fields. My boat only has a few dings, but all have been caused in a marina. Curiously, although it would seem that getting on and off is riskier on a mooring than on a dock, I, and my family members, have had a number of minor injuries on docks, but none from dinghy or launch incidents. I don't count my hurt pride from flipping the dinghy once in Northeast Harbor! As for being "always able to get to your boat in the worst weather," every time I've been in a marina for a hurricane, its been closed - they don't want the liability of idiots walking the docks in 100 mph winds! In fact, there are many marinas that require you to remove the boat during major storms, presumably putting it on a mooring! * Capt. Rob wrote, On 7/17/2007 10:45 AM: Scotty crapped: As for slips vs. moorings, slips can be a lot safer TOTAL BULL ****! No, Scotty Potty. It's not bull**** and once again you show how little you know. A lot of sailors like Scotty walk around repeating generalities they've heard without any practical knowledge at all. Folks like Scotty, Martin and Doug are perfect examples of this problem. So here's why slips CAN BE SAFER than moorings. 1) Some moorings in high current zones take a lot of abuse and simply take to much pounding to be of value against a well protected marina with slips. 2) High traffic, high volume mooring fields see plenty of collisions due to operator error and boats breaking free and playing pinball with others. 3) If a protected marina (such as ours) never experiences weather that can damage it, the boats are better off than those exposed on moorings. Last years storms were a perfect example as ALL of the boats damaged were from moorings. 4) Boats in slips will see more regular maintenance due to the accessibility. Gear is kept cleaner. Safer boat. 5) In 25 knots winds a mooring field can be a handful and transferring to a dinghy or launch difficult and dangerous. Older folks will be at risk along with children. Our protected slips see about half that much wind on most days, so it's far easier and safer. 6) Slips are usually protected by one or more breakwaters, leaving the boats calm and not straining most of the time. Moored boats see far more wave action and lines, standing rigging and steering systems take a pounding. 7) You can ALWAYS get to your boat even in the worst weather when you have well designed and located slips like ours. 8) ALL lightening strikes in our area (and there are plenty) are on the boats that are moored. So there you have it. This does not apply to all areas. There are plenty of spots where slips are downright risky and a mooring is a lot smarter, but on City Island, Port Washington and other popular sailboat spots, slips are like gold. I won't even get into how much more use we get out of the boat because of a slip, or how much better it is when Thomas' grandparents come along. And if Suzanne and I want privacy the club maintains moorings as well, which can be used by members. The best of both worlds. One by one, when they could afford it, my friends have moved to slips and the mooring damage cycle has ended. RB 35s5 NY |
Slips Can be Safer
On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:12:31 -0400, Jeff wrote:
As for being "always able to get to your boat in the worst weather," every time I've been in a marina for a hurricane, its been closed - they don't want the liability of idiots walking the docks in 100 mph winds! Preperation should have already been done by the time the winds get that high. In fact, there are many marinas that require you to remove the boat during major storms, presumably putting it on a mooring! Because, unfortunately, many owners just pull out their insurance policy to make sure they are covered, then let it go. Instead of properly preparing for the anticipated tide lift and winds. The marina owners are worried about the damage that will be done to their docks, electrical and water distribution systems, and other fixed facilities when your improperly prepared boat runs amok. And although many marinas have that policy, it is largely ignored in my area, particularly by the remote owners. Frank * Capt. Rob wrote, On 7/17/2007 10:45 AM: Scotty crapped: As for slips vs. moorings, slips can be a lot safer TOTAL BULL ****! No, Scotty Potty. It's not bull**** and once again you show how little you know. A lot of sailors like Scotty walk around repeating generalities they've heard without any practical knowledge at all. Folks like Scotty, Martin and Doug are perfect examples of this problem. So here's why slips CAN BE SAFER than moorings. 1) Some moorings in high current zones take a lot of abuse and simply take to much pounding to be of value against a well protected marina with slips. 2) High traffic, high volume mooring fields see plenty of collisions due to operator error and boats breaking free and playing pinball with others. 3) If a protected marina (such as ours) never experiences weather that can damage it, the boats are better off than those exposed on moorings. Last years storms were a perfect example as ALL of the boats damaged were from moorings. 4) Boats in slips will see more regular maintenance due to the accessibility. Gear is kept cleaner. Safer boat. 5) In 25 knots winds a mooring field can be a handful and transferring to a dinghy or launch difficult and dangerous. Older folks will be at risk along with children. Our protected slips see about half that much wind on most days, so it's far easier and safer. 6) Slips are usually protected by one or more breakwaters, leaving the boats calm and not straining most of the time. Moored boats see far more wave action and lines, standing rigging and steering systems take a pounding. 7) You can ALWAYS get to your boat even in the worst weather when you have well designed and located slips like ours. 8) ALL lightening strikes in our area (and there are plenty) are on the boats that are moored. So there you have it. This does not apply to all areas. There are plenty of spots where slips are downright risky and a mooring is a lot smarter, but on City Island, Port Washington and other popular sailboat spots, slips are like gold. I won't even get into how much more use we get out of the boat because of a slip, or how much better it is when Thomas' grandparents come along. And if Suzanne and I want privacy the club maintains moorings as well, which can be used by members. The best of both worlds. One by one, when they could afford it, my friends have moved to slips and the mooring damage cycle has ended. RB 35s5 NY |
Slips Can be Safer
This is cogent statement laying out considerations of
mooring/anchoring versus slipping. I don't think such a list exists. Area by area folks adapt to weather and of course the costs. The main reason why people use moorings here is to save money. A slip for a 30 foot sailboat is close to 5K at my club and that's a lot for occasional sailors. A club like City Island Yacht Club will run you half of that and self-serve moorings can be under a grand. Low lifes like Scotty aren't going to be paying that sort of change when they can't even afford a good boat to start with. Of course, with a vessel like a 35s5 I'm not going to hang her off a mooring. We even have a J29 and J27 in slips because the owners felt it was worth it to the upkeep of the boat. We also cater to two seperate charter companies and both left thier moorings for the safer...and far more friendly slips. RB 35s5 NY |
Slips Can be Safer
BS should be taken cum granulo salis.
Oh my. Flubbed again! FYI, Dave owns a very low end boat. In fact the company that built his boat made some very good ones until his hit the market. Several major US dealers would not carry the poor thing and that's a FACT. It's one of those boats that looks as though someone pumped it full of air...sort of like Dave himself! If owned a CS 27 I'd keep it on a mooring too...the one furthest out in fact! How is it that a fellow like Dave owns a boat worth so little? I'm 44 and I own a 65K boat. When I'm as old as Dave IF I own something small it will be a vessel with lines...such as a Alerion 28 for example. RB 35s5 NY |
Slips Can be Safer
As for being "always able to get to your boat in the worst weather,"
every time I've been in a marina for a hurricane, its been closed - they don't want the liability of idiots walking the docks in 100 mph winds! In fact, there are many marinas that require you to remove the boat during major storms, presumably putting it on a mooring! Jeff, thanks for a measured and "none trolling" response to my troll. I think your comment about injuries at the dock are true in part. We just had a death at my club because a guy was messing around on his boat and fell off. The feeling of security dockside can lead some people to conduct themselves in an unsafe manner. I'd guess that drinking is typical factor. I have also seen boats in marinas catch those dings, but the serious damage we handle in the shop comes more often from moored boats. Last season I posted a couple of pics of damaged boats which has slammed into the City Island bridge after a bad blow. 1 sank and the others were seriously damaged. Nothing at our club was damaged, but I did run out and TRIPLE up on my lines during that storm. I also helped others do the same. Boats on moorings were sitting ducks and it seemed that every boat that broke loose or dragged, struck two other boats. These things can happen and we'd prefer to plan for the worst of course. RB 35s5 NY |
Slips Can be Safer
In fact, there are many marinas that require you to remove the
boat during major storms, presumably putting it on a mooring! Some folks do haul their boats at my club when a big blow is coming, though only one sailboat does it. The others are pricey little powerboats and they often do it because they won't come down to check lines. Other places see different conditions that require specific action. But my point was really that folks like Scotty potty, who are dumb and quick to make general comments, and disputing that slips can be safer....are..well, dumb! RB 35s5 NY |
Slips Can be Safer
* Capt. Rob wrote, On 7/19/2007 9:00 AM:
In fact, there are many marinas that require you to remove the boat during major storms, presumably putting it on a mooring! Some folks do haul their boats at my club when a big blow is coming, though only one sailboat does it. The others are pricey little powerboats and they often do it because they won't come down to check lines. Other places see different conditions that require specific action. But my point was really that folks like Scotty potty, who are dumb and quick to make general comments, and disputing that slips can be safer....are..well, dumb! Yes, Scotty hooked you real good with that troll. You'll bite on anything! |
Slips Can be Safer
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:00:05 -0000, "Capt. Rob"
wrote: In fact, there are many marinas that require you to remove the boat during major storms, presumably putting it on a mooring! Some folks do haul their boats at my club when a big blow is coming, though only one sailboat does it. The others are pricey little powerboats and they often do it because they won't come down to check lines. Not done here, but then this is a year round in the water place. Yards are for bottom maintenance, not enough room to haul everybody. Plus, with a Katrina type storm, being hauled and remaining at waters edge is of no benefit. The practice is to head down the Sound and then into the back waters to your favorite hurricane hole. But, depending on the marina location, that could end up being 20-30 miles. Depending on mast height, must be done well in advance, cause once the land exodus begins it's 200 miles of bumper to bumper and they ain't going to open the bridges. Frank Other places see different conditions that require specific action. But my point was really that folks like Scotty potty, who are dumb and quick to make general comments, and disputing that slips can be safer....are..well, dumb! RB 35s5 NY |
Slips Can be Safer
"Dave" wrote in message
... On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 03:21:16 -0000, "Capt. Rob" said: FYI, Dave owns a very low end boat. In fact the company that built his boat made some very good ones until his hit the market. And as usual, BS displays his total ignorance. The CS27 was the first of the CS line, designed by Ray Wall of Camper and Nicholson. It's the smallest boat designed by that firm. In 1977, Wall became CS's chief designer. His successful 27 was followed by the CS36 (1978) and CS33. Of course anyone who has checked the price range of these boats knows that if you can find one in the US it invariably goes for well above the prices of low end mass produced boats like the Catalina. Prices currently on YachtWorld range from $14,000 (Martin van Breen's painted 1978 that I've seen and that's been in use as a sailing school and charter boat) to $30,000 (a 1980 boat in the UK). I generally liked the CS boats I looked at. None of them unfortunately were in the sweet spot for me as far as price and upkeep went. I didn't mind paying for a good quality boat; I did mind fixing what someone else hashed up or didn't do that should have been done. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Slips Can be Safer
Once again, Jeff is the voice of reason and Bob is full of
****. Scotty "Jeff" wrote in message ... There is certainly no doubt that there are advantages to keeping a boat in a slip. I've been willing to pay the premium for the convenience, even though we're gone more than half of the summer. You can always say that *some* slips are more protected, and *some* moorings are less protected. But one must be careful of generalities. In my experience, most marinas are well protected, but not all. For example, in Vineyard Haven I just spent some time on a mooring behind the breakwater feeling quite secure. In fact, I've sat out several gales and near miss hurricanes in that spot. The nearby marinas, however, are not protected and generally are emptied (to unprotected moorings!) when a Nor'easter blows up. While some mooring fields feel like bumper ball, most have generous spacing and frankly, I've seen (and perhaps caused) more damage from sloppy boat handling in marinas than in mooring fields. My boat only has a few dings, but all have been caused in a marina. Curiously, although it would seem that getting on and off is riskier on a mooring than on a dock, I, and my family members, have had a number of minor injuries on docks, but none from dinghy or launch incidents. I don't count my hurt pride from flipping the dinghy once in Northeast Harbor! As for being "always able to get to your boat in the worst weather," every time I've been in a marina for a hurricane, its been closed - they don't want the liability of idiots walking the docks in 100 mph winds! In fact, there are many marinas that require you to remove the boat during major storms, presumably putting it on a mooring! * Capt. Rob wrote, On 7/17/2007 10:45 AM: Scotty crapped: As for slips vs. moorings, slips can be a lot safer TOTAL BULL ****! No, Scotty Potty. It's not bull**** and once again you show how little you know. A lot of sailors like Scotty walk around repeating generalities they've heard without any practical knowledge at all. Folks like Scotty, Martin and Doug are perfect examples of this problem. So here's why slips CAN BE SAFER than moorings. 1) Some moorings in high current zones take a lot of abuse and simply take to much pounding to be of value against a well protected marina with slips. 2) High traffic, high volume mooring fields see plenty of collisions due to operator error and boats breaking free and playing pinball with others. 3) If a protected marina (such as ours) never experiences weather that can damage it, the boats are better off than those exposed on moorings. Last years storms were a perfect example as ALL of the boats damaged were from moorings. 4) Boats in slips will see more regular maintenance due to the accessibility. Gear is kept cleaner. Safer boat. 5) In 25 knots winds a mooring field can be a handful and transferring to a dinghy or launch difficult and dangerous. Older folks will be at risk along with children. Our protected slips see about half that much wind on most days, so it's far easier and safer. 6) Slips are usually protected by one or more breakwaters, leaving the boats calm and not straining most of the time. Moored boats see far more wave action and lines, standing rigging and steering systems take a pounding. 7) You can ALWAYS get to your boat even in the worst weather when you have well designed and located slips like ours. 8) ALL lightening strikes in our area (and there are plenty) are on the boats that are moored. So there you have it. This does not apply to all areas. There are plenty of spots where slips are downright risky and a mooring is a lot smarter, but on City Island, Port Washington and other popular sailboat spots, slips are like gold. I won't even get into how much more use we get out of the boat because of a slip, or how much better it is when Thomas' grandparents come along. And if Suzanne and I want privacy the club maintains moorings as well, which can be used by members. The best of both worlds. One by one, when they could afford it, my friends have moved to slips and the mooring damage cycle has ended. RB 35s5 NY |
Slips Can be Safer
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com.. .. This is cogent statement laying out considerations of mooring/anchoring versus slipping. I don't think such a list exists. Area by area folks adapt to weather and of course the costs. The main reason why people use moorings here is to save money. A slip for a 30 foot sailboat is close to 5K at my club your club? Bwahahahahahaha |
Slips Can be Safer
Yes, Scotty hooked you real good with that troll. You'll bite on
anything! I love it when I start a thread/troll like this and then the entire catch chants "we caught YOU!" Hilarious! RB 35s5 NY |
Slips Can be Safer
* Capt. Rob wrote, On 7/19/2007 5:57 PM:
Yes, Scotty hooked you real good with that troll. You'll bite on anything! I love it when I start a thread/troll like this and then the entire catch chants "we caught YOU!" Hilarious! Yup, its real funny. Scotty posted 3 or 4 words and that caused you to write hundreds in response. And you look like even more of a jackass for claiming a "victory"! |
Slips Can be Safer
"Capt. **** Head" wrote in message ups.com... Yes, Scotty hooked you real good with that troll. You'll bite on anything! I love it when I start a thread/troll like this and then Scotty turns it into his own little troll and catches ME! Hilarious! Yulp, pretty funny. |
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