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One Killed In Boating Accident
Woman, 53, Dies After Runaway Motorboat Crashes Into
Sailboat, Throwing Its Four Passengers Into The Connecticut
River

OLD SAYBROOK - A runaway motorboat whose operator had fallen
overboard crashed into a sailboat Sunday on the Connecticut
River and killed one of four people out on an afternoon
sail, officials said.

The motorboat operator, Gregory Siege, 44, of Madison, was
arrested shortly after the 3:50 p.m. accident and charged
with first-degree reckless operation of a vessel while
intoxicated by alcohol and or drugs, officials said.

The four people aboard the sailboat were tossed into the
river during the accident but were quickly taken out of the
water. The three who survived were taken to a hospital in
New Haven for treatment, said Dennis Schain, a spokesman for
the state Department of Environmental Protection.

Schain said the person who was killed was a 53-year-old
woman.

Schain said Sunday night that he was not certain when the
identities of the people involved could be released because
next of kin were still being notified.

Schain said the accident was still under investigation, and
the state's attorney's office in New London is assisting
investigators.

After the accident, which occurred south of the Amtrak
railroad bridge between Old Saybrook and Old Lyme, the
unmanned motorboat continued speeding through the water as
emergency officials tried to stop it.

A vessel from Sea Tow, a nearby marine company, was able to
track the runaway motorboat, a 20-foot center console boat
typically used for fishing, and stop it by snagging the
propeller with a line, Schain said.

Officials said the river was crowded with boaters and that
they were lucky more vessels were not involved in the
accident.

"It was crazy. It was cuckoo," said Stephen Basil of Old
Lyme, who saw boats zooming to the accident scene shortly
after the crash.

Claire Kilbride of Meriden said she and her husband were
traveling back to the Between the Bridges Marina, near the
accident site, when they saw the motorboat going in circles.

"The police were all around it just waiting for it to run
out of gas.

"It was very busy out there. There was a lot of traffic,"
she said.

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they should shoot that guy, and then hang him.

SBV

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:52:38 -0400, "Scotty"
said:

One Killed In Boating Accident

Thanks, Scotty. That happened about a mile or two from the
quiet cove where
we moor our boat. I heard a little bit about it when we
came in to the club,
and a bit more about it from my daughter who stayed up for
an extra day
Monday. But that's the first full account I'd seen.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
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they should shoot that guy, and then hang him.

Don't forget about the part where they cut off his nuts and feed 'em to a
shark while he watches.

Max

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"Scotty" wrote in message
...
they should shoot that guy, and then hang him.

Don't forget about the part where they cut off his nuts and feed 'em to a
shark while he watches.

Max



Then, you pluck out his eyes!

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On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:52:38 -0400, "Scotty"
wrote:

snippity-snip





I'm not a power boater but it's my understanding that power boats have
a lanyard and a killswitch.
Does anyone know how that really is set up nowdays?
Mark E. Williams

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"Maynard G. Krebbs" wrote in message
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:52:38 -0400, "Scotty"
wrote:

snippity-snip





I'm not a power boater but it's my understanding that power boats have
a lanyard and a killswitch.
Does anyone know how that really is set up nowdays?

My Boston Whaler (inboard) has a lanyard with a kill fitting on one end that
quite similar to that on an outboard. It is independent of the key.

Max

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"Maynard G. Krebbs" wrote in
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I'm not a power boater but it's my understanding that
power boats have
a lanyard and a killswitch.
Does anyone know how that really is set up nowdays?
Mark E. Williams

Outboards have a (deadman) kill switch with a lanyard that
can clip on to the operator , but common practice is to clip
it on to the motor, or simply remove it alltogether.

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On Jul 11, 7:41 am, "Scotty" wrote:
"Maynard G. Krebbs" wrote in
messagenews:rbc893t29e0tk547fg82kgcefl5v64n7dp@4ax .com...



I'm not a power boater but it's my understanding that
power boats have
a lanyard and a killswitch.
Does anyone know how that really is set up nowdays?
Mark E. Williams

Outboards have a (deadman) kill switch with a lanyard that
can clip on to the operator , but common practice is to clip
it on to the motor, or simply remove it alltogether.

Check out this video of the out of control boat, then a classic trip
of a tow line that capsizes the guys attempting to lasso the boat. I
hear the line they used fouled the prop and shut down the engine. You
seldom see this on film, it's what every tow boater should fear the
most. When it happens on big tugs most everyone dies.

http://www.wcsh6.com/video/news/play...?aid=21848&bw=

Joe

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On Jul 12, 10:49 am, Joe wrote:
On Jul 11, 7:41 am, "Scotty" wrote:

"Maynard G. Krebbs" wrote in
messagenews:rbc893t29e0tk547fg82kgcefl5v64n7dp@4ax .com...

I'm not a power boater but it's my understanding that
power boats have
a lanyard and a killswitch.
Does anyone know how that really is set up nowdays?
Mark E. Williams

Outboards have a (deadman) kill switch with a lanyard that
can clip on to the operator , but common practice is to clip
it on to the motor, or simply remove it alltogether.

Check out this video of the out of control boat, then a classic trip
of a tow line that capsizes the guys attempting to lasso the boat. I
hear the line they used fouled the prop and shut down the engine. You
seldom see this on film, it's what every tow boater should fear the
most. When it happens on big tugs most everyone dies.

http://www.wcsh6.com/video/news/play...?aid=21848&bw=

Joe

PS: To Jon..the newest Captain in town with a towing endorsement..

What did they do wrong?
What should they have done?

Joe

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"Joe" wrote in message
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On Jul 12, 10:49 am, Joe wrote:
On Jul 11, 7:41 am, "Scotty" wrote:

"Maynard G. Krebbs" wrote in
messagenews:rbc893t29e0tk547fg82kgcefl5v64n7dp@4ax .com...

I'm not a power boater but it's my understanding that
power boats have
a lanyard and a killswitch.
Does anyone know how that really is set up nowdays?
Mark E. Williams

Outboards have a (deadman) kill switch with a lanyard that
can clip on to the operator , but common practice is to clip
it on to the motor, or simply remove it alltogether.

Check out this video of the out of control boat, then a classic trip
of a tow line that capsizes the guys attempting to lasso the boat. I
hear the line they used fouled the prop and shut down the engine. You
seldom see this on film, it's what every tow boater should fear the
most. When it happens on big tugs most everyone dies.

http://www.wcsh6.com/video/news/play...?aid=21848&bw=

Joe

PS: To Jon..the newest Captain in town with a towing endorsement..

What did they do wrong?
What should they have done?

Joe

Not the newest I hope! I've had my OUPV for several years. I couldn't view
the vid very well, but it looked like they were going way to fast, way to
close.

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On Jul 12, 12:33 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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On Jul 12, 10:49 am, Joe wrote:
On Jul 11, 7:41 am, "Scotty" wrote:

"Maynard G. Krebbs" wrote in
messagenews:rbc893t29e0tk547fg82kgcefl5v64n7dp@4ax .com...

I'm not a power boater but it's my understanding that
power boats have
a lanyard and a killswitch.
Does anyone know how that really is set up nowdays?
Mark E. Williams

Outboards have a (deadman) kill switch with a lanyard that
can clip on to the operator , but common practice is to clip
it on to the motor, or simply remove it alltogether.

Check out this video of the out of control boat, then a classic trip
of a tow line that capsizes the guys attempting to lasso the boat. I
hear the line they used fouled the prop and shut down the engine. You
seldom see this on film, it's what every tow boater should fear the
most. When it happens on big tugs most everyone dies.

http://www.wcsh6.com/video/news/play...?aid=21848&bw=

Joe

PS: To Jon..the newest Captain in town with a towing endorsement..

What did they do wrong?
What should they have done?

Joe

Not the newest I hope! I've had my OUPV for several years. I couldn't view
the vid very well, but it looked like they were going way to fast, way to
close.

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Good Gravy....Anyone else want to take a shot?

Joe

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"Joe" wrote in message
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On Jul 12, 12:33 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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On Jul 12, 10:49 am, Joe wrote:
On Jul 11, 7:41 am, "Scotty" wrote:

"Maynard G. Krebbs" wrote in
messagenews:rbc893t29e0tk547fg82kgcefl5v64n7dp@4ax .com...

I'm not a power boater but it's my understanding that
power boats have
a lanyard and a killswitch.
Does anyone know how that really is set up nowdays?
Mark E. Williams

Outboards have a (deadman) kill switch with a lanyard that
can clip on to the operator , but common practice is to clip
it on to the motor, or simply remove it alltogether.

Check out this video of the out of control boat, then a classic trip
of a tow line that capsizes the guys attempting to lasso the boat. I
hear the line they used fouled the prop and shut down the engine. You
seldom see this on film, it's what every tow boater should fear the
most. When it happens on big tugs most everyone dies.

http://www.wcsh6.com/video/news/play...?aid=21848&bw=

Joe

PS: To Jon..the newest Captain in town with a towing endorsement..

What did they do wrong?
What should they have done?

Joe

Not the newest I hope! I've had my OUPV for several years. I couldn't
view
the vid very well, but it looked like they were going way to fast, way to
close.

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- Show quoted text -

Good Gravy....Anyone else want to take a shot?

Joe



They were going too slowly? Maybe for a 1600 tonner... :-)


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On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:38:44 -0700, Joe
wrote:


Good Gravy....Anyone else want to take a shot?

They could have shut down that OB with a 12 guage.
But they let themselves get athwart the runaway.
Should have been close to parallel when they tangled,
then bow to stern, and should have had the tangle rope
tied off on the bow.
Just a guess.

--Vic

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On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:37:43 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:38:44 -0700, Joe
wrote:


Good Gravy....Anyone else want to take a shot?

They could have shut down that OB with a 12 guage.
But they let themselves get athwart the runaway.
Should have been close to parallel when they tangled,
then bow to stern, and should have had the tangle rope
tied off on the bow.
Just a guess.

--Vic

Wait. I take it back. Don't tie off the tangle rope.

--Vic

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On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:30:02 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:37:43 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:38:44 -0700, Joe
wrote:


Good Gravy....Anyone else want to take a shot?

They could have shut down that OB with a 12 guage.
But they let themselves get athwart the runaway.
Should have been close to parallel when they tangled,
then bow to stern, and should have had the tangle rope
tied off on the bow.
Just a guess.


Wait. I take it back. Don't tie off the tangle rope.


No! Blue! Blue! My favorite color is blue!

--Vic

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"Joe" wrote in message
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O
Check out this video of the out of control boat, then a
classic trip
of a tow line that capsizes the guys attempting to lasso
the boat. I
hear the line they used fouled the prop and shut down the
engine. You
seldom see this on film, it's what every tow boater should
fear the
most. When it happens on big tugs most everyone dies.

http://www.wcsh6.com/video/news/play...?aid=21848&bw=



Sea Tow should carry LAWS rockets for such occasions.

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On Jul 12, 1:37 pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:38:44 -0700, Joe
wrote:

Good Gravy....Anyone else want to take a shot?

They could have shut down that OB with a 12 guage.
But they let themselves get athwart the runaway.

Getting athwart is not the problem. As seen the coxswain.. after
taking the load tried to turn to come along side the un-manned
vessel....., first he did not have enough slack to make the turn,
second he allowed the load to pull him over.


Should have been close to parallel when they tangled,
then bow to stern, and should have had the tangle rope
tied off on the bow.

I do not think they have backing cleats on Sea-tow boats...I may be
wrong but doubt it.

Loads attached to your bow limit 99% of your control to the
tow,,unless you have flanking rudders or cort nozzles, and again never
seen a sea-tow boat up close but I doubt it.


Just a guess.

Well it was as good as ...if not better than Jon's guess..

Joe



--Vic

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On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:40:52 -0700, Joe
wrote:



Loads attached to your bow limit 99% of your control to the
tow,,unless you have flanking rudders or cort nozzles, and again never
seen a sea-tow boat up close but I doubt it.


Just a guess.

Well it was as good as ...if not better than Jon's guess..

The incidents of runaways I've seen they waited for a tight circling
boat to run out of gas, or came alongside and a braveheart jumped
aboard and killed the motor.
I never even heard of prop tangling until you mentioned it, but it
seems like a good idea, because it's hand-off.
Got no idea how to best do it, but tying to a runaway just doesn't
seem like a good idea.
Probably nobody has done this twice, and it might be an on-the-spot
call how to handle it.
I just googled a bit and watched this. Pretty cool.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwWaALdeuLM
So maybe the best bet is to call this kid to catch it.

--Vic

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On Jul 12, 9:18 pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:40:52 -0700, Joe
wrote:

Loads attached to your bow limit 99% of your control to the
tow,,unless you have flanking rudders or cort nozzles, and again never
seen a sea-tow boat up close but I doubt it.

Just a guess.

Well it was as good as ...if not better than Jon's guess..

The incidents of runaways I've seen they waited for a tight circling
boat to run out of gas, or came alongside and a braveheart jumped
aboard and killed the motor.
I never even heard of prop tangling until you mentioned it, but it
seems like a good idea, because it's hand-off.
Got no idea how to best do it, but tying to a runaway just doesn't
seem like a good idea.
Probably nobody has done this twice, and it might be an on-the-spot
call how to handle it.
I just googled a bit and watched this. Pretty cool.www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwWaALdeuLM
So maybe the best bet is to call this kid to catch it.

--Vic

Had the helsman of the seatow boat turned away from the circling boat
instead of trying to go with it he would have been fine, taking the
load directly aft and keeping it there. Watch it again and you see he
starts to then decides to try to get alongside...big mistake as he did
not have any slack , moving the load directly abeam causing the boat
to be tripped.

Good story on You Tube.

Joe

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"Joe" wrote in message
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On Jul 12, 9:18 pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:40:52 -0700, Joe
wrote:

Loads attached to your bow limit 99% of your control to the
tow,,unless you have flanking rudders or cort nozzles, and again never
seen a sea-tow boat up close but I doubt it.

Just a guess.

Well it was as good as ...if not better than Jon's guess..

The incidents of runaways I've seen they waited for a tight circling
boat to run out of gas, or came alongside and a braveheart jumped
aboard and killed the motor.
I never even heard of prop tangling until you mentioned it, but it
seems like a good idea, because it's hand-off.
Got no idea how to best do it, but tying to a runaway just doesn't
seem like a good idea.
Probably nobody has done this twice, and it might be an on-the-spot
call how to handle it.
I just googled a bit and watched this. Pretty
cool.www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwWaALdeuLM
So maybe the best bet is to call this kid to catch it.

--Vic

Had the helsman of the seatow boat turned away from the circling boat
instead of trying to go with it he would have been fine, taking the
load directly aft and keeping it there. Watch it again and you see he
starts to then decides to try to get alongside...big mistake as he did
not have any slack , moving the load directly abeam causing the boat
to be tripped.

Good story on You Tube.

Joe



I like the idea of snagging the prop... seems like that would just about do
it.

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On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:41:48 -0000, Joe
wrote:



Had the helsman of the seatow boat turned away from the circling boat
instead of trying to go with it he would have been fine, taking the
load directly aft and keeping it there. Watch it again and you see he
starts to then decides to try to get alongside...big mistake as he did
not have any slack , moving the load directly abeam causing the boat
to be tripped.

I watched it again a few times, and it's hard to tell. Might be they
had made a number of failed passes and he thought they failed again
and was coming around for another pass. Then the slack came out
and pulled the stern back, which made the bow go opposite before
he turtled. Tricky. These guys were amateur onlookers who did a good
deed. None of them were wearing a PFD as far as I can see.
I didn't hear any sound on that link.

--Vic

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On Jul 12, 11:27 pm, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:41:48 -0000, Joe
wrote:



Had the helsman of the seatowboatturned away from the circlingboat
instead of trying to go with it he would have been fine, taking the
load directly aft and keeping it there. Watch it again and you see he
starts to then decides to try to get alongside...big mistake as he did
not have any slack , moving the load directly abeam causing theboat
to be tripped.

I watched it again a few times, and it's hard to tell. Might be they
had made a number of failed passes and he thought they failed again
and was coming around for another pass. Then the slack came out
and pulled the stern back, which made the bow go opposite before
he turtled. Tricky. These guys were amateur onlookers who did a good
deed. None of them were wearing a PFD as far as I can see.
I didn't hear any sound on that link.

--Vic

I hope this guy of the runaway boat gets jail time, perhaps even
death. Yet he had a set court date to July 19th but apparently DEP is
still under the investigation of what happened. It's obviously not
that hard to tell what happened here just by looking at the video and
of the aftermath. However in any case, this guy should be punished
for what he has done.

~Jon T.