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Bart June 27th 07 01:48 AM

America's Cup Match Racing Question
 
In the third race of the 32nd America's Cup today,
the Kiwi's were in a starboard tack position and
able to force Alighi to duck them. Instead, they
tacked to port.

What was a possible reason for doing this?

Would you have done anything differently? If
so what?


Martin Baxter June 27th 07 01:18 PM

America's Cup Match Racing Question
 
Bart wrote:

In the third race of the 32nd America's Cup today,
the Kiwi's were in a starboard tack position and
able to force Alighi to duck them. Instead, they
tacked to port.

What was a possible reason for doing this?

Would you have done anything differently? If
so what?


1) See Oz's answer.

2) In almost all of the races that I saw throughout the LV cup and the
three AC races of this round, the wind has built from the right, and
shifted to the right: So why is that Alinghi insists on going left and
opening huge gauges with their opponents? They should have won the
third race, but elected to allow a gap over a kilometer to open with
Kiwis, a small wind shift cost them the race. I think it's largely
arrogance, "Our boat is so much faster that we don't have to pay
attention to the competition, we'll just sail where we please and win
anyway", it's cost them two races so far.

Cheers
Marty

Bart June 27th 07 02:25 PM

America's Cup Match Racing Question
 
On Jun 27, 3:47 am, OzOne wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:48:38 -0700, Bart
scribbled thusly:

In the third race of the 32nd America's Cup today,
the Kiwi's were in a starboard tack position and
able to force Alighi to duck them. Instead, they
tacked to port.


What was a possible reason for doing this?


Would you have done anything differently? If
so what?


Without knowing the situation,
most likely wanted to keep a close cover on Alinghi
Nothing better than having your opposition locked in under your
quarter,
or there was more pressure out to the right and they wanted to get to
it

Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,
We've been expecting you.


Tacking put the Kiwi's to leeward and parallel with Alighi.
Alinghi would have had to do a major duck or tack
to avoid the Kiwi's--if the Kiwi's had stood on their
starboard tack course.


Bart June 27th 07 02:25 PM

America's Cup Match Racing Question
 
On Jun 27, 3:47 am, OzOne wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:48:38 -0700, Bart
scribbled thusly:

In the third race of the 32nd America's Cup today,
the Kiwi's were in a starboard tack position and
able to force Alighi to duck them. Instead, they
tacked to port.


What was a possible reason for doing this?


Would you have done anything differently? If
so what?


Without knowing the situation,
most likely wanted to keep a close cover on Alinghi
Nothing better than having your opposition locked in under your
quarter,
or there was more pressure out to the right and they wanted to get to
it

Oz1...of the 3 twins.


The Kiwi's were also very close to the starboard tack layline.


[email protected] June 27th 07 03:27 PM

America's Cup Match Racing Question
 
On Jun 27, 9:25 am,
On Jun 27, 3:47 am, OzOne wrote:



Bart scribbled thusly:
In the third race of the 32nd America's Cup today,
the Kiwi's were in a starboard tack position and
able to force Alighi to duck them. Instead, they
tacked to port.


What was a possible reason for doing this?



A duck doesn't mean much, especially with fast boats. If you bear away
to skim beihind another boat's transom by inches, you then are powered
up and can pinch for enough boatlengths to make up the ground lost
bearing away. And if there is stronger wind or a shift on the side you
are headed for, it makes much more sense to duck than to tack.


Would you have done anything differently? If
so what?


Without knowing the situation,
most likely wanted to keep a close cover on Alinghi
Nothing better than having your opposition locked in under your
quarter,
or there was more pressure out to the right and they wanted to get to
it


Oz1...of the 3 twins.


Yeah there is something better... pinning them on your windward hip,
losing a pointing contest. Their option is to tack away from going
high & slow, a guaranteed way to lose a lot of ground, or grit their
teeth and keep going while looking at your exhaust.

The risk is that they could find some extra power somehow & roll over
you.


Bart wrote:
The Kiwi's were also very close to the starboard tack layline.


IMHO the layline doesn't matter in a match race. All that matters is
being ahead, and one of the best ways is to either be in a position to
cover or a position to force a foul.

So far it sounds like Alinghi is a bit faster but not enough that they
can sail stupid. I am really surprised that with Jochen Schumann
bossing the program, that they have been so dumb.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King



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