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On Jun 4, 1:15 pm, Charlie Morgan wrote:
By all means, we should support the troops
JOHN HOURIHAN
Article Last Updated: 06/01/2007 10:16:58 PM EDT

Years ago, I was sitting in a morning meeting of journalists who were
"brainstorming" what we should put into a special section called "The
Vietnam War - 10 Years After."

They wanted to talk about the "ethics of war" and the "politics of the
troops," and I wanted to talk about Agent Orange and the lack of
support for returnees.

They wanted to talk about no parades. I wanted to talk about no health
care.

I made a few suggestions, but their glasses were so filled with
themselves I couldn't pour another ounce into them. It just spilled
out onto the boardroom table.

Finally, I shouted, "OK, how many of you have killed someone? Raise
your hands. I mean, you know, actually killed someone."

I raised my hand and looked around.

"No one but me? Then quiet down and listen. I have something to say."

And for the first time since then, I now want to ask again, "How many
of you who say you support the troops have killed someone for your
country?

OK, then I have something to say.

If you want to know what it means to "support the troops," you first
have to understand that war wouldn't be all that bad if people didn't
get killed, and that people die in a war for one reason: Because they
couldn't help it.

It is death that is the problem. It is the killing that makes it
difficult, that twists people's minds and sends them home "different."

And the recent multiple-tour idiocy that has become the pattern for
Iraq is wrong and dangerous. It has to be stopped. Our
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troops are seeing too much death, and they won't come home healthy.

Those who come back return with their minds figuratively strapped to a
white table in a brightly lit operating room in a mythical hospital,
and there they wait for the experts to come in and jolt them back into
sanity; but they aren't finding experts in the booth.

I spent three tours in a war - about three years. World War II was
different. They spent a longer time. But in Iraq, we keep sending the
same people back time and time again.

Let me tell you why it is so important to stop this practice.

The first six months go by relatively fast. A blur of the standard
operating procedure of war, getting used to climate changes,
biological changes and creating a cognitive map of the dangers of the
environment. At first you are taken care of by those who have been
there a while. But still people die.

If you live, you become one of those who does the "caring for." When
danger snaps in front of you, it is your own voice you hear first. It
is your eyes that find the evils, your hands that point to safety, and
still people die. War strips the invulnerability of youth from your
nerves like a knife scraping along a leather strop, and you realize
any minute can be your last - or worse, the last for those you care
about.

By the end of your tour, you have turned numb to everything but
staying alive. You are depressed that your friends have died, that you
couldn't save them. You stop sleeping and sometimes you lose weight.
You sweat cold in torrid heat and you shake cold when you are not. You
count first the months, then the weeks, then it comes down to counting
days, and hours before you get your orders home. But you feel every
second. Supporting the troops has nothing to do with keeping them in a
combat zone even an instant longer than they have to be there.

When you return, you are no longer young. Everyone notices that you've
changed. My sister, Nancy, who never minces words, said simply: "You
were insane. It took years to get you back."

One of the problems is that there is no happiness like the feeling of
stepping onto American soil after having spent a year or more in
combat, and there is no stronger feeling than the guilt you feel for
being happy when others are dead.

This is multiplied when you realize someone forgot to tell you that
you might feel guilty about killing other people.

When you return for your second tour, you bring this feeling with you.
And it grows.

And if you have three tours you have three times as many people to
feel guilty about. Whether you are feeling it for those you killed or
for those you couldn't keep from being killed, or just because you
survived and others didn't. And it is multiplied by itself every day
you are involved. It is amazing to me that so many soldiers return
whole.

So here's what I have to say.

By all means, support the troops. Bring them home.

Guess that's why Kerry is so ****ed up huh?

How about JFK, Regan, Washington,Churchill, Teddy Rosevelt, John
McCain, Roger Staubach, James Lovell, Wally Schirra ect.ect.ect...I
could go on forever.

It's likely in any group someone is going to become "insane" no
matter what.

Look at BB...he lost it a long time ago and did not even serve.

Every one in the military today joined of his or her own free will,
no one was drafted.

Joe

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On Jun 4, 3:57 pm, Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 13:46:48 -0700, Joe wrote:
On Jun 4, 1:15 pm, Charlie Morgan wrote:
By all means, we should support the troops
JOHN HOURIHAN
Article Last Updated: 06/01/2007 10:16:58 PM EDT

Years ago, I was sitting in a morning meeting of journalists who were
"brainstorming" what we should put into a special section called "The
Vietnam War - 10 Years After."

They wanted to talk about the "ethics of war" and the "politics of the
troops," and I wanted to talk about Agent Orange and the lack of
support for returnees.

They wanted to talk about no parades. I wanted to talk about no health
care.

I made a few suggestions, but their glasses were so filled with
themselves I couldn't pour another ounce into them. It just spilled
out onto the boardroom table.

Finally, I shouted, "OK, how many of you have killed someone? Raise
your hands. I mean, you know, actually killed someone."

I raised my hand and looked around.

"No one but me? Then quiet down and listen. I have something to say."

And for the first time since then, I now want to ask again, "How many
of you who say you support the troops have killed someone for your
country?

OK, then I have something to say.

If you want to know what it means to "support the troops," you first
have to understand that war wouldn't be all that bad if people didn't
get killed, and that people die in a war for one reason: Because they
couldn't help it.

It is death that is the problem. It is the killing that makes it
difficult, that twists people's minds and sends them home "different."

And the recent multiple-tour idiocy that has become the pattern for
Iraq is wrong and dangerous. It has to be stopped. Our
Advertisement
troops are seeing too much death, and they won't come home healthy.

Those who come back return with their minds figuratively strapped to a
white table in a brightly lit operating room in a mythical hospital,
and there they wait for the experts to come in and jolt them back into
sanity; but they aren't finding experts in the booth.

I spent three tours in a war - about three years. World War II was
different. They spent a longer time. But in Iraq, we keep sending the
same people back time and time again.

Let me tell you why it is so important to stop this practice.

The first six months go by relatively fast. A blur of the standard
operating procedure of war, getting used to climate changes,
biological changes and creating a cognitive map of the dangers of the
environment. At first you are taken care of by those who have been
there a while. But still people die.

If you live, you become one of those who does the "caring for." When
danger snaps in front of you, it is your own voice you hear first. It
is your eyes that find the evils, your hands that point to safety, and
still people die. War strips the invulnerability of youth from your
nerves like a knife scraping along a leather strop, and you realize
any minute can be your last - or worse, the last for those you care
about.

By the end of your tour, you have turned numb to everything but
staying alive. You are depressed that your friends have died, that you
couldn't save them. You stop sleeping and sometimes you lose weight.
You sweat cold in torrid heat and you shake cold when you are not. You
count first the months, then the weeks, then it comes down to counting
days, and hours before you get your orders home. But you feel every
second. Supporting the troops has nothing to do with keeping them in a
combat zone even an instant longer than they have to be there.

When you return, you are no longer young. Everyone notices that you've
changed. My sister, Nancy, who never minces words, said simply: "You
were insane. It took years to get you back."

One of the problems is that there is no happiness like the feeling of
stepping onto American soil after having spent a year or more in
combat, and there is no stronger feeling than the guilt you feel for
being happy when others are dead.

This is multiplied when you realize someone forgot to tell you that
you might feel guilty about killing other people.

When you return for your second tour, you bring this feeling with you.
And it grows.

And if you have three tours you have three times as many people to
feel guilty about. Whether you are feeling it for those you killed or
for those you couldn't keep from being killed, or just because you
survived and others didn't. And it is multiplied by itself every day
you are involved. It is amazing to me that so many soldiers return
whole.

So here's what I have to say.

By all means, support the troops. Bring them home.

Guess that's why Kerry is so ****ed up huh?

How about JFK, Regan, Washington,Churchill, Teddy Rosevelt, John
McCain, Roger Staubach, James Lovell, Wally Schirra ect.ect.ect...I
could go on forever.

It's likely in any group someone is going to become "insane" no
matter what.

Look at BB...he lost it a long time ago and did not even serve.

Every one in the military today joined of his or her own free will,
no one was drafted.

Joe

If you actually read the piece and this is your reply, there is no other
explanation but that you are mentally retarded. Nothing else could explain your
blathering post.

So, now the question becomes, why are YOU so ****ed up?

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I read it moron. Have many family members who have "killed for our
country" and had no problems what so ever except after Vietnam some
being looked down upon by scumbags like you who did not have the
balls, nor respect for your country to serve.

The story you posted a link to is bull**** from liberal losers like
you BB.

Joe

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Every one in the military today joined of his or her own free will,
no one was drafted.


Yup, an army loaded with those with few choices and poor educations. I
bet you served. I love how people try to make this about something it
isn't. The war in Iraq was based on a lie. There are no WMD's. NO
WMD's. None, Joe. When will you figure out that the AMERICANS dying in
IRAQ are dying for that lie. Without the WMD tail, there'd have been
no war in Iraq, no thousands of dead Americans (and a LOT of Iraq
innocents as well) no huge rise in terrorism.
Attack any aspect of the above as you wish. But if you want to murder
an American, don't do it with a war started over a LIE....as your boy
Bush did. 71% of Americans (and that's half of the republicans) now
"get it."
When will you, Joe?


RB
35s5
NY

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On Jun 4, 4:08 pm, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Every one in the military today joined of his or her own free will,
no one was drafted.

Yup, an army loaded with those with few choices and poor educations. I
bet you served. I love how people try to make this about something it
isn't. The war in Iraq was based on a lie. There are no WMD's. NO
WMD's. None, Joe. When will you figure out that the AMERICANS dying in
IRAQ are dying for that lie. Without the WMD tail, there'd have been
no war in Iraq, no thousands of dead Americans (and a LOT of Iraq
innocents as well) no huge rise in terrorism.
Attack any aspect of the above as you wish. But if you want to murder
an American, don't do it with a war started over a LIE....as your boy
Bush did. 71% of Americans (and that's half of the republicans) now
"get it."
When will you, Joe?

RB
35s5
NY

From John McCain

"And now, we confront a choice as historically important as any we
have faced in a long while: Will this nation's elected leaders make
the politically hard but strategically vital decision to give General
Petraeus our full support and do what is necessary to succeed in
Iraq?

Or will we decide to take advantage of the public's frustration,
accept defeat, and hope that whatever the cost to our security, the
politics of defeat will work out better for us than our opponents?

However it ends, the war in Iraq will have a profound influence on the
future of the Middle East, global stability and the security of the
United States, which will remain for the foreseeable future directly
affected by events in that dangerous part of the world.

The war is part of a broader struggle in the Arab and Muslim world,
the struggle between violence extremists and the force of modernity
and moderation. "

Joe

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Every one in the military today joined of his or her own free will,
no one was drafted.


Yup, an army loaded with those with few choices and poor educations. I
bet you served. I love how people try to make this about something it
isn't. The war in Iraq was based on a lie. There are no WMD's. NO
WMD's. None, Joe. When will you figure out that the AMERICANS dying in
IRAQ are dying for that lie. Without the WMD tail, there'd have been
no war in Iraq, no thousands of dead Americans (and a LOT of Iraq
innocents as well) no huge rise in terrorism.
Attack any aspect of the above as you wish. But if you want to murder
an American, don't do it with a war started over a LIE....as your boy
Bush did. 71% of Americans (and that's half of the republicans) now
"get it."
When will you, Joe?


When will YOU get it, Bobsplat? You sound as ignorant as Kerry. Please
click on the following link and remove your stupidity from this thread
before I humiliate you even more by using the facts.

http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blo...my_recrui.html

As you can see, the bar graph proves you are wrong again.

Wilbur Hubbard

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On Jun 4, 4:08 pm, "Capt. Rob" wrote:


71% of Americans (and that's half of the republicans) now
"get it."

When will you, Joe?

If so bonehead then why are the Democraps still funding the war if
71% do not support winning the war?

Huh? Why?

Joe



RB
35s5
NY

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He'll never get it, Rob. He's not smart enough. Not even close. Then
there are
those like Dave and Bart who might be smart enough, but they are
emotional
cripples.



What's truly amazing is that many folks who sided with Bush said
they'd have to admit they were bamboozled if no WMD's were found.
Well, well, well. NO WMD's. That was the WHOLE point of the invasion.
Most people I know got smart and realized what happened. But a few
stuck to their guns and refused see the light. It's amazing to me that
people like Dave and Joe feel so sure that this mess was started with
good intentions and that they seem to harbor zero suspicion about it.
I beleive that it will eventually be proven that Bush is a war
criminal. As Suzanne's republican father keeps saying, "He's no
republican."


RB
35s5
NY

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On Jun 4, 9:06 pm, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
He'll never get it, Rob. He's not smart enough. Not even close. Then
there are
those like Dave and Bart who might be smart enough, but they are
emotional
cripples.

What's truly amazing is that many folks who sided with Bush said
they'd have to admit they were bamboozled if no WMD's were found.
Well, well, well. NO WMD's. That was the WHOLE point of the invasion.
Most people I know got smart and realized what happened. But a few
stuck to their guns and refused see the light. It's amazing to me that
people like Dave and Joe feel so sure that this mess was started with
good intentions and that they seem to harbor zero suspicion about it.
I beleive that it will eventually be proven that Bush is a war
criminal. As Suzanne's republican father keeps saying, "He's no
republican."

RB
35s5
NY

Whats truely amazing is ****heads like Charlie aka BB and Bubbles take
sides with the terrorist who feel it's great to set off roadside bombs
that kill Americans.

Whats amazing is bubbles and BB think if we cut and run everything
will be OK.

Well well, when little Thom grows up and NYC is vaporized by a
terrorist nuke or worse then Bubbles and BB will be seen as the
cowards and slacker and total POS they are. Lil thom, if he survives
will look back and see what a coward self center loser his father was.

Joe

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"Joe" wrote in message
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On Jun 4, 9:06 pm, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
He'll never get it, Rob. He's not smart enough. Not even close. Then
there are
those like Dave and Bart who might be smart enough, but they are
emotional
cripples.

What's truly amazing is that many folks who sided with Bush said
they'd have to admit they were bamboozled if no WMD's were found.
Well, well, well. NO WMD's. That was the WHOLE point of the invasion.
Most people I know got smart and realized what happened. But a few
stuck to their guns and refused see the light. It's amazing to me that
people like Dave and Joe feel so sure that this mess was started with
good intentions and that they seem to harbor zero suspicion about it.
I beleive that it will eventually be proven that Bush is a war
criminal. As Suzanne's republican father keeps saying, "He's no
republican."

RB
35s5
NY

Whats truely amazing is ****heads like Charlie aka BB and Bubbles take
sides with the terrorist who feel it's great to set off roadside bombs
that kill Americans.

Whats amazing is bubbles and BB think if we cut and run everything
will be OK.

Well well, when little Thom grows up and NYC is vaporized by a
terrorist nuke or worse then Bubbles and BB will be seen as the
cowards and slacker and total POS they are. Lil thom, if he survives
will look back and see what a coward self center loser his father was.

Joe




Wow... pretty angry Joe... much fear represented in your post. Are you a
liberal?


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On Jun 4, 10:20 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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On Jun 4, 9:06 pm, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
He'll never get it, Rob. He's not smart enough. Not even close. Then
there are
those like Dave and Bart who might be smart enough, but they are
emotional
cripples.

What's truly amazing is that many folks who sided with Bush said
they'd have to admit they were bamboozled if no WMD's were found.
Well, well, well. NO WMD's. That was the WHOLE point of the invasion.
Most people I know got smart and realized what happened. But a few
stuck to their guns and refused see the light. It's amazing to me that
people like Dave and Joe feel so sure that this mess was started with
good intentions and that they seem to harbor zero suspicion about it.
I beleive that it will eventually be proven that Bush is a war
criminal. As Suzanne's republican father keeps saying, "He's no
republican."

RB
35s5
NY

Whats truely amazing is ****heads like Charlie aka BB and Bubbles take
sides with the terrorist who feel it's great to set off roadside bombs
that kill Americans.

Whats amazing is bubbles and BB think if we cut and run everything
will be OK.

Well well, when little Thom grows up and NYC is vaporized by a
terrorist nuke or worse then Bubbles and BB will be seen as the
cowards and slacker and total POS they are. Lil thom, if he survives
will look back and see what a coward self center loser his father was.

Joe

Wow... pretty angry Joe... much fear represented in your post. Are you a
liberal?

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Yeah 911 made me pretty angry, sorry if you could care less.

Joe

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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I had seen more gay bars by age 20 then you will ever see,
Dave.
CWM


OIC

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"Joe" wrote in message
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On Jun 4, 10:20 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
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On Jun 4, 9:06 pm, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
He'll never get it, Rob. He's not smart enough. Not even close. Then
there are
those like Dave and Bart who might be smart enough, but they are
emotional
cripples.

What's truly amazing is that many folks who sided with Bush said
they'd have to admit they were bamboozled if no WMD's were found.
Well, well, well. NO WMD's. That was the WHOLE point of the invasion.
Most people I know got smart and realized what happened. But a few
stuck to their guns and refused see the light. It's amazing to me that
people like Dave and Joe feel so sure that this mess was started with
good intentions and that they seem to harbor zero suspicion about it.
I beleive that it will eventually be proven that Bush is a war
criminal. As Suzanne's republican father keeps saying, "He's no
republican."

RB
35s5
NY

Whats truely amazing is ****heads like Charlie aka BB and Bubbles take
sides with the terrorist who feel it's great to set off roadside bombs
that kill Americans.

Whats amazing is bubbles and BB think if we cut and run everything
will be OK.

Well well, when little Thom grows up and NYC is vaporized by a
terrorist nuke or worse then Bubbles and BB will be seen as the
cowards and slacker and total POS they are. Lil thom, if he survives
will look back and see what a coward self center loser his father was.

Joe

Wow... pretty angry Joe... much fear represented in your post. Are you a
liberal?

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Yeah 911 made me pretty angry, sorry if you could care less.

Joe



So when someone makes you angry, you hit your dog. Got it.


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On Jun 5, 10:00 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
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On Jun 4, 10:20 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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On Jun 4, 9:06 pm, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
He'll never get it, Rob. He's not smart enough. Not even close. Then
there are
those like Dave and Bart who might be smart enough, but they are
emotional
cripples.

What's truly amazing is that many folks who sided with Bush said
they'd have to admit they were bamboozled if no WMD's were found.
Well, well, well. NO WMD's. That was the WHOLE point of the invasion.
Most people I know got smart and realized what happened. But a few
stuck to their guns and refused see the light. It's amazing to me that
people like Dave and Joe feel so sure that this mess was started with
good intentions and that they seem to harbor zero suspicion about it.
I beleive that it will eventually be proven that Bush is a war
criminal. As Suzanne's republican father keeps saying, "He's no
republican."

RB
35s5
NY

Whats truely amazing is ****heads like Charlie aka BB and Bubbles take
sides with the terrorist who feel it's great to set off roadside bombs
that kill Americans.

Whats amazing is bubbles and BB think if we cut and run everything
will be OK.

Well well, when little Thom grows up and NYC is vaporized by a
terrorist nuke or worse then Bubbles and BB will be seen as the
cowards and slacker and total POS they are. Lil thom, if he survives
will look back and see what a coward self center loser his father was.

Joe

Wow... pretty angry Joe... much fear represented in your post. Are you a
liberal?

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Yeah 911 made me pretty angry, sorry if you could care less.

Joe

So when someone makes you angry, you hit your dog. Got it.

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Wrong...Stupid. The same group who pulled off 9-11 is now in Iraq.

From todays news
BAGHDAD - Al Qaeda-linked insurgents claimed in a video that surfaced
Monday to have killed three U.S. soldiers who went missing after an
assault on their patrol last month, but offered no proof.

The U.S. military recovered the body of one of the soldiers on May 23,
but the other two remain missing.

*************************
Laying out its ideology in a broad manifesto, the group al Qaeda in
Iraq -- which has been behind many of the worst attacks, beheadings
and kidnappings in Iraq -- says the insurgency is in better shape than
the United States acknowledges and vows to continue the insurgency and
"destroy the American empire."

*************************

"The most important thing is that the jihad continues with
steadfastness ... indeed, prolonging the war is in our interest," says
the writer, who goes by the name Atiyah. The letter, released last
week, was recovered in the rubble of the Iraqi house where Abu Musab
al-Zarqawi, former leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq, was killed by a US bomb
in June.

If the letter is accurate, it provides a window into the group's
strategic thinking on Iraq that differs starkly from the one the Bush
administration has been expressing publicly - a view the president
reiterated Wednesday when he said that Al Qaeda believes that "America
is weak, and if they can kill enough innocent people we'll retreat.
That's precisely what they want."

*************************************************

Last year Al-Qaeda's leader in Iraq called on nuclear scientists to
apply their knowledge of biological and radiological weapons to "the
field of jihad".
************************************************

Are these the dogs you are talking about Mr Cut and run Ganzy?

Joe

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On Jun 5, 10:00 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
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On Jun 4, 10:20 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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On Jun 4, 9:06 pm, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
He'll never get it, Rob. He's not smart enough. Not even close.
Then
there are
those like Dave and Bart who might be smart enough, but they are
emotional
cripples.

What's truly amazing is that many folks who sided with Bush said
they'd have to admit they were bamboozled if no WMD's were found.
Well, well, well. NO WMD's. That was the WHOLE point of the
invasion.
Most people I know got smart and realized what happened. But a few
stuck to their guns and refused see the light. It's amazing to me
that
people like Dave and Joe feel so sure that this mess was started
with
good intentions and that they seem to harbor zero suspicion about
it.
I beleive that it will eventually be proven that Bush is a war
criminal. As Suzanne's republican father keeps saying, "He's no
republican."

RB
35s5
NY

Whats truely amazing is ****heads like Charlie aka BB and Bubbles
take
sides with the terrorist who feel it's great to set off roadside
bombs
that kill Americans.

Whats amazing is bubbles and BB think if we cut and run everything
will be OK.

Well well, when little Thom grows up and NYC is vaporized by a
terrorist nuke or worse then Bubbles and BB will be seen as the
cowards and slacker and total POS they are. Lil thom, if he survives
will look back and see what a coward self center loser his father
was.

Joe

Wow... pretty angry Joe... much fear represented in your post. Are you
a
liberal?

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Yeah 911 made me pretty angry, sorry if you could care less.

Joe

So when someone makes you angry, you hit your dog. Got it.

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Wrong...Stupid. The same group who pulled off 9-11 is now in Iraq.



Gee... I wonder why that would be true??? Couldn't be because Bush is an
idiot... no way.

What country do you think we should invade next... New Zealand?

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On Jun 5, 10:00 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
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On Jun 4, 10:20 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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On Jun 4, 9:06 pm, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
He'll never get it, Rob. He's not smart enough. Not even close.
Then
there are
those like Dave and Bart who might be smart enough, but they are
emotional
cripples.

What's truly amazing is that many folks who sided with Bush said
they'd have to admit they were bamboozled if no WMD's were found.
Well, well, well. NO WMD's. That was the WHOLE point of the
invasion.
Most people I know got smart and realized what happened. But a few
stuck to their guns and refused see the light. It's amazing to me
that
people like Dave and Joe feel so sure that this mess was started
with
good intentions and that they seem to harbor zero suspicion about
it.
I beleive that it will eventually be proven that Bush is a war
criminal. As Suzanne's republican father keeps saying, "He's no
republican."

RB
35s5
NY

Whats truely amazing is ****heads like Charlie aka BB and Bubbles
take
sides with the terrorist who feel it's great to set off roadside
bombs
that kill Americans.

Whats amazing is bubbles and BB think if we cut and run everything
will be OK.

Well well, when little Thom grows up and NYC is vaporized by a
terrorist nuke or worse then Bubbles and BB will be seen as the
cowards and slacker and total POS they are. Lil thom, if he survives
will look back and see what a coward self center loser his father
was.

Joe

Wow... pretty angry Joe... much fear represented in your post. Are you
a
liberal?

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Yeah 911 made me pretty angry, sorry if you could care less.

Joe

So when someone makes you angry, you hit your dog. Got it.

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Wrong...Stupid. The same group who pulled off 9-11 is now in Iraq.

Gee... I wonder why that would be true??? Couldn't be because Bush is an
idiot... no way.

So let me if I got it straight.. You call Bush an idiot for trying to
stop Al Queida.

You must be a terrorist supporter, seems you would rather blame Bush
for the terrorists killing Americans and Iraqi citizens, rather than
the misunderstood Jihadist fellows you respect and want to appease and
help push out the only people standing up to them.


What country do you think we should invade next... New Zealand?

Iran. I'm sure Iran's leader is another one of your heros, who needs
and will get your support.

Joe

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You must be a terrorist supporter,




Joe, you really should be ashamed, even here on ASA.



RB
35s5
NY

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On Jun 5, 11:53 am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
You must be a terrorist supporter,

Joe, you really should be ashamed, even here on ASA.

RB
35s5
NY

Why's that?

Like you Jon would rather give in, cut and run because he hates our
president more than anything.

He claims to want to support the troops, but like you know nothing
about what they think, and most likely... like you... have never
talked to anyone in the service. After all you think they are all
retards and degenerates, the scum of American society forced into the
military due to no other choices.

He wants them to be able to claim victory. He thinks AlQuieda is going
to become peaceful and tolerant if we cut and run..

Sounds like supporting the enemy to me.

Joe

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On Jun 4, 6:45 pm, Joe wrote:
On Jun 4, 4:08 pm, "Capt. Rob" wrote:


71% of Americans (and that's half of the republicans) now

"get it."
When will you, Joe?

If so bonehead then why are the Democraps still funding the war if
71% do not support winning the war?

Huh? Why?

Joe



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Why's that?

Like you Jon would rather give in, cut and run because he hates our
president more than anything.


He claims to want to support the troops, but like you know nothing
about what they think, and most likely... like you... have never
talked to anyone in the service.


I have family in the service, Joe. You're an asshole. And with no
family of your own you have no idea about what it is to be an American
Family. Anyone in this country has the right to question their
government and decisions made.
You've been duped by Bush. In time you'll know it. That's all there is
to it.



RB
35s5
NY

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On Jun 5, 2:01 pm, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Why's that?

Like you Jon would rather give in, cut and run because he hates our
president more than anything.

He claims to want to support the troops, but like you know nothing
about what they think, and most likely... like you... have never
talked to anyone in the service.

I have family in the service, Joe.

You do...Must be the retated brother you never talk about HUH?

You're an asshole.

You're a material girl.

And with no
family of your own you have no idea about what it is to be an American
Family.

Yo douche bag, I have 2 brother 3 sisters 3 brother inlaws, 3 sister
inlaws over 20 nephews and nieces, a step son, and he has kids making
me a grandfather at the age most people become grandfathers. Get over
it ..if you think blowing a wad into suzy made you a better man then
good for you stupid. I still say Lil Thom dont look anything like
you.

Anyone in this country has the right to question their
government and decisions made.

Sure they do, the people you think so little of, you know the dummies
who had to join the military, made it that way for you.

You've been duped by Bush. In time you'll know it. That's all there
is
to it.

You've been duped by Ted Kennedy, Hillary and Micheal Moore. That's
all there is to it.

Joe
42.6
TX


RB
35s5
NY

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On 5 Jun 2007 15:59:02 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 10:36:10 GMT, Charlie Morgan said:

I had seen more of the world by age 20 then you will ever see, Dave.

Ooh, I'm impressed. Tell us about it.

Born to a very wealthy family with parents who loved to travel, and liked
to
drag us kids to see things and places they had enjoyed. It was not unusual
for
my parents to get all of our school assignments in advance and take us out
of
school for a month or two at a time to go somewhere. My prep school
graduation
present was a brand new BMW R75/5 "toaster", picked up at the factory for
a 3
month European tour arranged by Butler & Smith.

You asked, I answered.

Sorry to learn that the family wealth didn't filter down to you. Shame.

Max

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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Gee... I wonder why that would be true??? Couldn't be because Bush is an
idiot... no way.

So let me if I got it straight.. You call Bush an idiot for trying to
stop Al Queida.

Yes, let's get it straight. Bush attacked Afganistan, a country that
harbored Bin Laden. Good move. Right on. Then, Bush attacked Iraq, a country
that had nothing to do with 9/11. Stupid move.

You must be a terrorist supporter, seems you would rather blame Bush
for the terrorists killing Americans and Iraqi citizens, rather than
the misunderstood Jihadist fellows you respect and want to appease and
help push out the only people standing up to them.

Feel free to attempt to insult me, but the facts are that Bush launched a
war with very little thought and planning, a war of desire not necessity.


What country do you think we should invade next... New Zealand?

Iran. I'm sure Iran's leader is another one of your heros, who needs
and will get your support.

I'm sure you do think that. However, Iran is years away from having a nuke,
but if you get angry, it doesn't matter who you attack. What happened to
North Korea? How about Darfur? Oh yeah, that doesn't quite fit with your
version of distorted reality.

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"Joe" wrote in message
ps.com...
On Jun 5, 11:53 am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
You must be a terrorist supporter,

Joe, you really should be ashamed, even here on ASA.

RB
35s5
NY

Why's that?

Like you Jon would rather give in, cut and run because he hates our
president more than anything.

He claims to want to support the troops, but like you know nothing
about what they think, and most likely... like you... have never
talked to anyone in the service. After all you think they are all
retards and degenerates, the scum of American society forced into the
military due to no other choices.

He wants them to be able to claim victory. He thinks AlQuieda is going
to become peaceful and tolerant if we cut and run..

Sounds like supporting the enemy to me.

Joe



This is you talking, not I. But, that's a typical tactic from someone who
doesn't or can't think clearly.


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"Joe" wrote
: From John McCain
: "And now, we confront a choice as historically important as any we
: have faced in a long while: Will this nation's elected leaders make
: the politically hard but strategically vital decision to give General
: Petraeus our full support and do what is necessary to succeed in
: Iraq?
:
: Or will we decide to take advantage of the public's frustration,
: accept defeat, and hope that whatever the cost to our security, the
: politics of defeat will work out better for us than our opponents?

No disrespect to you Joe, but NOBODY is talking about *defeating* the folks
who gave us 9/11 - the superstitious nut crowd that has 99% Islamic support
and is hell bent on imposing their superstitions and laws on everybody else!

On one hand we have 'liberals' calling for withdrawal - which will of course
hand the wealth of Iraq over to these enemies and give them an immediate
victory.

OTOH we have the McCain/Bush plan to "stay the course" which looks more and
more like McNamara's failed Vietnam strategy every day. He's not going to
give General
Petraeus a free hand any more than our troops in Vietnam got a free hand.
So, instead of giving Islam immediate victory they'll draw it out, killing 3
or 4 of our finest young men and women every week .... draw it out long
enough that the next president can, like Nixon, declare victory before
pulling out. But the result is the same. Either way we loose! The USA is
shown to be a "paper tiger" unable to win anything! "Stay the Course"
handed Vietnam over to the Commies and it will hand Iraq over to bin Ladin -
period.

We need better - we need the kind of resolve that nuked Japan and forced
Hitler to suicide. Otherwise, our grandkids will live under a Taliban type
government.

Saddam was perhaps the biggest obstacle to the forces I shall call Al Qaeda,
altho it goes far beyond Bin Laden. Had Roosevelt been as bone stupid as
Georgie Boy Bush he would have bombed London and Moscow after Pearl Harbor!
But the blunder has been made. Now what? Pull out? Stay with the present
failed strategy?

The only way to 'win', in the sense of putting a dent in Al Qaeda, is to
dump Iraq's Iran-style government then install a dictator who makes Saddam
look like Mother Theresa. Have him round up and kill all of the radical
clerics calling for jihad. Then close their damn schools where kids get
brainwashed on the koran and send the kids to real schools where they learn
reason instead of superstitions.

Meanwhile support our troops by NOT threatening them with prison if they do
what is necessary to suppress these fanatics. Start by emptying Gitmo ...
via a gallows! Napalm should prove useful in Iraq and Afghanistan as well.
'Specially since it's made out of pig parts grin.

McCain is nothing but a liberal in hawk feathers. We otta send him over
there, but he'd just loose another $million airplane and get captured .....

Know any candidate with enough guts to do what it takes to WIN??

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"Dave" wrote
: ........ Ever been in a place
: where you have to clam up because a member of the secret police just sat
: down at the next table? Observed a race riot up close and personal?

Yup. Both in Kalifornia :)

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote:
: Born to a very wealthy family with parents ....

Reminds me of a joke y'all have prolly heard. A couple in checking out of a
high dollar hotel when everything stops and a big limo pulls up. The driver
and liverymen help a lady and gentleman out then begin carrying a young man
toward the Hotel. "Jeeze Mable," says the man, "those peaple seem to have
it all but I bet they'd trade it all if their son could walk."

Overhearing him, the father says "Look you, I am one of the richest men in
Texas! That boy is only 23. He hasn't been potty trained yet, let alone
had to learn to walk! And when he is old enough I'll make him president of
the USA!"