New Zealand outlaws smacking of children
 

New Zealand effectively outlawed smacking children on Wednesday...
"It is about our children and what I believe is their God-given right to
grow up secure in the love of their family, valued as equal citizens to the
rest of us and without the constant threat of legalised violence being used
against them," the law's sponsor, Sue Bradford of the Green Party, said in
parliament.

The law change, first proposed in 2005, had been strongly opposed by
conservative family and church groups, who said it would make criminals of
parents.

Opponents held public marches and rallies outside parliament.

Mainstream church groups and child welfare organisations had strongly
supported the change.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/new...995227390.html

New Zealand outlaws smacking of children
 

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New Zealand effectively outlawed smacking children on Wednesday...
"It is about our children and what I believe is their God-given right to
grow up secure in the love of their family, valued as equal citizens to
the rest of us and without the constant threat of legalised violence being
used against them," the law's sponsor, Sue Bradford of the Green Party,
said in parliament.

The law change, first proposed in 2005, had been strongly opposed by
conservative family and church groups, who said it would make criminals of
parents.

Opponents held public marches and rallies outside parliament.

Mainstream church groups and child welfare organisations had strongly
supported the change.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/new...995227390.html

Typical of most such laws, the interpretation of what constitutes "smacking"
is anyone's guess.

Max

New Zealand outlaws smacking of children
 

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New Zealand effectively outlawed smacking children on
Wednesday...


Thursday through Tuesday is still good though, right?

Scotty

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New Zealand effectively outlawed smacking children on
Wednesday...


Thursday through Tuesday is still good though, right?

Only in months that end in 'y,' 'h,' 'l,' 'e,' 't,' and 'r.'

Max

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New Zealand effectively outlawed smacking children on
Wednesday...


Thursday through Tuesday is still good though, right?

Only in months that end in 'y,' 'h,' 'l,' 'e,' 't,' and
'r.'

What does one do during the other months?

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New Zealand effectively outlawed smacking children on

Wednesday...


Thursday through Tuesday is still good though, right?

Only in months that end in 'y,' 'h,' 'l,' 'e,' 't,' and

'r.'

What does one do during the other months?



Drown them....

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New Zealand effectively outlawed smacking children on
Wednesday...


Thursday through Tuesday is still good though, right?

Only in months that end in 'y,' 'h,' 'l,' 'e,' 't,' and
'r.'

What does one do during the other months?

Smack adults.

Max

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New Zealand effectively outlawed smacking children on

Wednesday...


Thursday through Tuesday is still good though, right?

Only in months that end in 'y,' 'h,' 'l,' 'e,' 't,' and

'r.'

What does one do during the other months?



Drown them....

Wo, Katy. You have a fight with Mr. Sails tonight or something???

Max

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New Zealand effectively outlawed smacking children on

Wednesday...


Thursday through Tuesday is still good though, right?

Only in months that end in 'y,' 'h,' 'l,' 'e,' 't,' and

'r.'

What does one do during the other months?




Drown them....


Wo, Katy. You have a fight with Mr. Sails tonight or something???

Max


Hey..makes as much sense as not smacking them..might as well drown them
if they;'re going to take away parents rights to raise their
children...they'll all grow up to be spoiled brats...good thing they
live on a little island...maybe someone will put a fence up around it to
keep them in once they're ruined...maybe they should import some
officials from Bangkokj to straighten them out...maybe we should export
willow switches under the guise that they're a decorative item...(I'm
taking a swift approach to this problem...)

New Zealand outlaws smacking of children
 

On May 16, 7:13 am, "jlrogers" wrote:
New Zealand effectively outlawed smacking children on Wednesday...
"It is about our children and what I believe is their God-given right to
grow up secure in the love of their family, valued as equal citizens to the
rest of us and without the constant threat of legalised violence being used
against them," the law's sponsor, Sue Bradford of the Green Party, said in
parliament.

The law change, first proposed in 2005, had been strongly opposed by
conservative family and church groups, who said it would make criminals of
parents.

Opponents held public marches and rallies outside parliament.

Mainstream church groups and child welfare organisations had strongly
supported the change.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/new...acking-of-chil...

What if one good smack at the right time is all that is
needed to straighten out a kid.

This is another example of liberalism at it's worst. Parents
won't stop smacking their kids if they deserve it. And worse
what happens if the kids call the cops. If I was a parent and
they did that, I'd say sure, your take him and support him.

New Zealand outlaws smacking of children
 

"Bart" wrote in message
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On May 16, 7:13 am, "jlrogers" wrote:
New Zealand effectively outlawed smacking children on Wednesday...
"It is about our children and what I believe is their God-given right to
grow up secure in the love of their family, valued as equal citizens to
the
rest of us and without the constant threat of legalised violence being
used
against them," the law's sponsor, Sue Bradford of the Green Party, said
in
parliament.

The law change, first proposed in 2005, had been strongly opposed by
conservative family and church groups, who said it would make criminals
of
parents.

Opponents held public marches and rallies outside parliament.

Mainstream church groups and child welfare organisations had strongly
supported the change.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/new...acking-of-chil...

What if one good smack at the right time is all that is
needed to straighten out a kid.

This is another example of liberalism at it's worst. Parents
won't stop smacking their kids if they deserve it. And worse
what happens if the kids call the cops. If I was a parent and
they did that, I'd say sure, your take him and support him.




Beating a child is never effective as a solution to behavior problems. While
outlawing it is stupid, the concept of doing it is also stupid.

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Beating off is effective as a solution to behavior
problems.

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Oiy!

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Beating off is effective as a solution to behavior
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Oiy!



Gaynz beats off children? Isn't that against the law?

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Beating off is effective as a solution to behavior
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Oiy!





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New Zealand effectively outlawed smacking children on

Wednesday...


Thursday through Tuesday is still good though, right?

Only in months that end in 'y,' 'h,' 'l,' 'e,' 't,' and

'r.'

What does one do during the other months?




Drown them....


Wo, Katy. You have a fight with Mr. Sails tonight or something???

Max
Hey..makes as much sense as not smacking them..might as well drown them if
they;'re going to take away parents rights to raise their
children...they'll all grow up to be spoiled brats...good thing they live
on a little island...maybe someone will put a fence up around it to keep
them in once they're ruined...maybe they should import some officials from
Bangkokj to straighten them out...maybe we should export willow switches
under the guise that they're a decorative item...(I'm taking a swift
approach to this problem...)

Okay, I get your point. Had me worried there for a moment.

Spare the rod, spoil the child. Applied 100 years ago, and still applicable
today.

Max

New Zealand outlaws smacking of children
 

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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On May 16, 7:13 am, "jlrogers" wrote:
New Zealand effectively outlawed smacking children on Wednesday...
"It is about our children and what I believe is their God-given right to
grow up secure in the love of their family, valued as equal citizens to
the
rest of us and without the constant threat of legalised violence being
used
against them," the law's sponsor, Sue Bradford of the Green Party, said
in
parliament.

The law change, first proposed in 2005, had been strongly opposed by
conservative family and church groups, who said it would make criminals
of
parents.

Opponents held public marches and rallies outside parliament.

Mainstream church groups and child welfare organisations had strongly
supported the change.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/new...acking-of-chil...

What if one good smack at the right time is all that is
needed to straighten out a kid.

This is another example of liberalism at it's worst. Parents
won't stop smacking their kids if they deserve it. And worse
what happens if the kids call the cops. If I was a parent and
they did that, I'd say sure, your take him and support him.




Beating a child is never effective as a solution to behavior problems.
While outlawing it is stupid, the concept of doing it is also stupid.

What do you qualify as "beating a child?" Is a quick swat to the butt
"beating" in your vernacular? If so, I'm beginning to see what went wrong
with you. g

Max

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On May 16, 7:13 am, "jlrogers" wrote:
New Zealand effectively outlawed smacking children on Wednesday...
"It is about our children and what I believe is their God-given right
to
grow up secure in the love of their family, valued as equal citizens to
the
rest of us and without the constant threat of legalised violence being
used
against them," the law's sponsor, Sue Bradford of the Green Party, said
in
parliament.

The law change, first proposed in 2005, had been strongly opposed by
conservative family and church groups, who said it would make criminals
of
parents.

Opponents held public marches and rallies outside parliament.

Mainstream church groups and child welfare organisations had strongly
supported the change.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/new...acking-of-chil...

What if one good smack at the right time is all that is
needed to straighten out a kid.

This is another example of liberalism at it's worst. Parents
won't stop smacking their kids if they deserve it. And worse
what happens if the kids call the cops. If I was a parent and
they did that, I'd say sure, your take him and support him.




Beating a child is never effective as a solution to behavior problems.
While outlawing it is stupid, the concept of doing it is also stupid.

What do you qualify as "beating a child?" Is a quick swat to the butt
"beating" in your vernacular? If so, I'm beginning to see what went wrong
with you. g



A quick swat on the butt for a baby/toddler might be excessively harsh and
painful. Hitting a child is never a good idea.

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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On May 16, 7:13 am, "jlrogers" wrote:
New Zealand effectively outlawed smacking children on Wednesday...
"It is about our children and what I believe is their God-given right
to
grow up secure in the love of their family, valued as equal citizens
to the
rest of us and without the constant threat of legalised violence being
used
against them," the law's sponsor, Sue Bradford of the Green Party,
said in
parliament.

The law change, first proposed in 2005, had been strongly opposed by
conservative family and church groups, who said it would make
criminals of
parents.

Opponents held public marches and rallies outside parliament.

Mainstream church groups and child welfare organisations had strongly
supported the change.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/new...acking-of-chil...

What if one good smack at the right time is all that is
needed to straighten out a kid.

This is another example of liberalism at it's worst. Parents
won't stop smacking their kids if they deserve it. And worse
what happens if the kids call the cops. If I was a parent and
they did that, I'd say sure, your take him and support him.




Beating a child is never effective as a solution to behavior problems.
While outlawing it is stupid, the concept of doing it is also stupid.

What do you qualify as "beating a child?" Is a quick swat to the butt
"beating" in your vernacular? If so, I'm beginning to see what went
wrong with you. g



A quick swat on the butt for a baby/toddler might be excessively harsh and
painful. Hitting a child is never a good idea.

Since the definition of "child" encompasses teens, I'd disagree. Both my
mother and father spanked me--Dad with his bare hand, and Mom with one of
Dad's oak fraternity paddles--and it was an effective attitude readjustment
every time. As a result of the spankings I became neither a child-abuser
with my own daughter, nor did I develop any antipathy for my parents. To
the contrary, I gained respect for their word and their rules. I had it
coming.

Benjamin Spock wrote--over 30 years ago--that spanking a child is tantamount
to abuse, and will result in children becoming sociopathic. So America quit
paddling the kids. The net result has been several generations of adults
who cannot or will not accept authority of any form. Many of these adults
are uniformly unsuccessful in their lives.

Max

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Since the definition of "child" encompasses teens, I'd
disagree. Both my
mother and father spanked me--Dad with his bare hand, and
Mom with one of
Dad's oak fraternity paddles--and it was an effective
attitude readjustment
every time. As a result of the spankings I became neither
a child-abuser
with my own daughter, nor did I develop any antipathy for
my parents. To
the contrary, I gained respect for their word and their
rules. I had it
coming.

Benjamin Spock wrote--over 30 years ago--that spanking a
child is tantamount
to abuse, and will result in children becoming
sociopathic. So America quit
paddling the kids. The net result has been several
generations of adults
who cannot or will not accept authority of any form. Many
of these adults
are uniformly unsuccessful in their lives.


'BB Morgan' is a perfect example of this type of failure.

SBV

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 May 2007 19:28:39 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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On May 16, 7:13 am, "jlrogers" wrote:
New Zealand effectively outlawed smacking children on Wednesday...
"It is about our children and what I believe is their God-given right
to
grow up secure in the love of their family, valued as equal citizens
to
the
rest of us and without the constant threat of legalised violence
being
used
against them," the law's sponsor, Sue Bradford of the Green Party,
said
in
parliament.

The law change, first proposed in 2005, had been strongly opposed by
conservative family and church groups, who said it would make
criminals
of
parents.

Opponents held public marches and rallies outside parliament.

Mainstream church groups and child welfare organisations had strongly
supported the change.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/new...acking-of-chil...

What if one good smack at the right time is all that is
needed to straighten out a kid.

This is another example of liberalism at it's worst. Parents
won't stop smacking their kids if they deserve it. And worse
what happens if the kids call the cops. If I was a parent and
they did that, I'd say sure, your take him and support him.




Beating a child is never effective as a solution to behavior problems.
While outlawing it is stupid, the concept of doing it is also stupid.

What do you qualify as "beating a child?" Is a quick swat to the butt
"beating" in your vernacular? If so, I'm beginning to see what went
wrong
with you. g



A quick swat on the butt for a baby/toddler might be excessively harsh and
painful. Hitting a child is never a good idea.

Children learn exactly what you teach them. Hitting them teaches them
that that
is the way to get what you want from others.

So who was it that beat the **** outta you? Mom? Dad? Your siblings?

Max

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New Zealand effectively outlawed smacking children on

Wednesday...


Thursday through Tuesday is still good though, right?

Only in months that end in 'y,' 'h,' 'l,' 'e,' 't,' and

'r.'

What does one do during the other months?




Drown them....


Wo, Katy. You have a fight with Mr. Sails tonight or something???

Max
Hey..makes as much sense as not smacking them..might as well drown them if
they;'re going to take away parents rights to raise their
children...they'll all grow up to be spoiled brats...good thing they live
on a little island...maybe someone will put a fence up around it to keep
them in once they're ruined...maybe they should import some officials from
Bangkokj to straighten them out...maybe we should export willow switches
under the guise that they're a decorative item...(I'm taking a swift
approach to this problem...)

Okay, I get your point. Had me worried there for a moment.

Unfortunately, the Kiwis migrate to Australia.

Fortunately, most of them stay in Sydney.

PDW

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A quick swat on the butt for a baby/toddler might be
excessively harsh and
painful. Hitting a child is never a good idea.

Children learn exactly what you teach them. Hitting
them teaches them
that that
is the way to get what you want from others.

So who was it that beat the **** outta you? Mom? Dad?
Your siblings?


the little girl next door?

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New Zealand effectively outlawed smacking children on

Wednesday...


Thursday through Tuesday is still good though, right?

Only in months that end in 'y,' 'h,' 'l,' 'e,' 't,' and

'r.'

What does one do during the other months?




Drown them....


Wo, Katy. You have a fight with Mr. Sails tonight or something???

Max
Hey..makes as much sense as not smacking them..might as well drown them
if
they;'re going to take away parents rights to raise their
children...they'll all grow up to be spoiled brats...good thing they
live
on a little island...maybe someone will put a fence up around it to keep
them in once they're ruined...maybe they should import some officials
from
Bangkokj to straighten them out...maybe we should export willow switches
under the guise that they're a decorative item...(I'm taking a swift
approach to this problem...)

Okay, I get your point. Had me worried there for a moment.

Unfortunately, the Kiwis migrate to Australia.

Fortunately, most of them stay in Sydney.

I was told they look a lot like dingos, and it's legal to shoot them in Oz,
isn't it?

Max

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On Thu, 17 May 2007 19:28:39 -0700, "Capt. JG"
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"Bart" wrote in message
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On May 16, 7:13 am, "jlrogers" wrote:
New Zealand effectively outlawed smacking children on Wednesday...
"It is about our children and what I believe is their God-given
right
to
grow up secure in the love of their family, valued as equal
citizens
to
the
rest of us and without the constant threat of legalised violence
being
used
against them," the law's sponsor, Sue Bradford of the Green Party,
said
in
parliament.

The law change, first proposed in 2005, had been strongly opposed
by
conservative family and church groups, who said it would make
criminals
of
parents.

Opponents held public marches and rallies outside parliament.

Mainstream church groups and child welfare organisations had
strongly
supported the change.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/new...acking-of-chil...

What if one good smack at the right time is all that is
needed to straighten out a kid.

This is another example of liberalism at it's worst. Parents
won't stop smacking their kids if they deserve it. And worse
what happens if the kids call the cops. If I was a parent and
they did that, I'd say sure, your take him and support him.




Beating a child is never effective as a solution to behavior
problems.
While outlawing it is stupid, the concept of doing it is also stupid.

What do you qualify as "beating a child?" Is a quick swat to the butt
"beating" in your vernacular? If so, I'm beginning to see what went
wrong
with you. g



A quick swat on the butt for a baby/toddler might be excessively harsh
and
painful. Hitting a child is never a good idea.

Children learn exactly what you teach them. Hitting them teaches them
that that
is the way to get what you want from others.

So who was it that beat the **** outta you? Mom? Dad? Your siblings?

Max


I'm in a hurry, can you process these photos in 45 minutes?

You seem to know a lot about such things. How long have you been a greeter
at Wal-Mart?

Max

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A quick swat on the butt for a baby/toddler might be
excessively harsh and
painful. Hitting a child is never a good idea.

Children learn exactly what you teach them. Hitting
them teaches them
that that
is the way to get what you want from others.

So who was it that beat the **** outta you? Mom? Dad?
Your siblings?


the little girl next door?

Wow, that was an unfair fight. Poor BB . . .

Max

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 May 2007 21:24:56 GMT, "Maxprop" wrote:


"Scotty" wrote in message
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A quick swat on the butt for a baby/toddler might be
excessively harsh and
painful. Hitting a child is never a good idea.

Children learn exactly what you teach them. Hitting
them teaches them
that that
is the way to get what you want from others.

So who was it that beat the **** outta you? Mom? Dad?
Your siblings?


the little girl next door?

Wow, that was an unfair fight. Poor BB . . .

Max


Poor Jeff Coppes, contact lens sales associate. Couldn't even get through
REAL
medical school. Now he has a contact lens business with two locations. Not
even
on his own, and not in a high traffic mall. His two locations are shared
by a
group of losers who couldn't make anything of themselves on their own. How
sad
is that? Is he on food stamps, too?

I've seen his photo online. He looks like Archie Bunker except with
absolutely
no color and NO facial muscle tone. In other words, he's a puff pastry,
not a
man. His stories of fast cars, motorcycles and such smack of even more
fantasy.
If you saw what he looked like, you'd laugh at what he writes here. He's a
phoney. Only someone as scatter brained as Katy would buy into his
nonsense.
Fake, fake, fake.

Don't let me stop you from making a greater fool of yourself than everyone
already knows you to be. Knock yourself out.


Max