Female Sailor
 

The hostage takers in Iran are now saying they are going to let the
female sailor go free today or tomorrow after they parade them on TV.

If she has a choice.

Should she stay, or should she go. ?

Joe

Female Sailor
 

Joe wrote:
The hostage takers in Iran are now saying they are going to let the
female sailor go free today or tomorrow after they parade them on TV.

If she has a choice.

Should she stay, or should she go. ?

Joe

I thought one of the major premises of being caught is that your duty is
to escape...seeing that she could give them some valuable information, I
say go...and I would make the same reply if it were a male sailor...

Female Sailor
 

"katy" wrote in message
...
Joe wrote:
The hostage takers in Iran are now saying they are going to let the
female sailor go free today or tomorrow after they parade them on TV.

If she has a choice.

Should she stay, or should she go. ?

Joe

I thought one of the major premises of being caught is that your duty
is to escape...seeing that she could give them some valuable
information, I say go...and I would make the same reply if it were a
male sailor...


she shud stay. she shud get no kid glub treetmint. stay and maik iran
look like bully. or stay and boink irans. give them all the klap. diddle
self with pork sawsige. maik irans unclean. allah hate. make go to hell.

todd

Female Sailor
 

"Todd" wrote in message
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"katy" wrote in message
...
Joe wrote:
The hostage takers in Iran are now saying they are going to let the
female sailor go free today or tomorrow after they parade them on
TV.

If she has a choice.

Should she stay, or should she go. ?

Joe

I thought one of the major premises of being caught is that your duty
is to escape...seeing that she could give them some valuable
information, I say go...and I would make the same reply if it were a
male sailor...


she shud stay. she shud get no kid glub treetmint. stay and maik iran
look like bully. or stay and boink irans. give them all the klap.
diddle self with pork sawsige. maik irans unclean. allah hate. make go
to hell.

todd


SHUT UP, 'TARD!

Wilbur Hubbard

Female Sailor
 

On Mar 28, 11:09 am, katy wrote:
Joe wrote:
The hostage takers in Iran are now saying they are going to let the
female sailor go free today or tomorrow after they parade them on TV.

If she has a choice.

Should she stay, or should she go. ?

Joe

I thought one of the major premises of being caught is that your duty is
to escape...

It is. However she is not escaping.

Joe


seeing that she could give them some valuable information, I
say go...and I would make the same reply if it were a male sailor...

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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
...

"Todd" wrote in message
anews.com...

"katy" wrote in message
...
Joe wrote:
The hostage takers in Iran are now saying they are going to let
the
female sailor go free today or tomorrow after they parade them on
TV.

If she has a choice.

Should she stay, or should she go. ?

Joe

I thought one of the major premises of being caught is that your
duty is to escape...seeing that she could give them some valuable
information, I say go...and I would make the same reply if it were a
male sailor...


she shud stay. she shud get no kid glub treetmint. stay and maik iran
look like bully. or stay and boink irans. give them all the klap.
diddle self with pork sawsige. maik irans unclean. allah hate. make
go to hell.

todd


SHUT UP, 'TARD!

Wilbur Hubbard


its todd not tard. U not so smart. fuk U (he he he)

todd

Female Sailor
 

In article .com,
Joe wrote:
The hostage takers in Iran are now saying they are going to let the
female sailor go free today or tomorrow after they parade them on TV.

If she has a choice.

Should she stay, or should she go. ?

If she has a choice, she should stay IMHO.

--
Capt. JG @@
www.sailnow.com

Female Sailor
 

In article ,
katy wrote:
Joe wrote:
The hostage takers in Iran are now saying they are going to let the
female sailor go free today or tomorrow after they parade them on TV.

If she has a choice.

Should she stay, or should she go. ?

Joe

I thought one of the major premises of being caught is that your duty is
to escape...seeing that she could give them some valuable information, I
say go...and I would make the same reply if it were a male sailor...

Good point, but I don't know what info a hostage would have that would
be that valuable.

--
Capt. JG @@
www.sailnow.com

Female Sailor
 

On Mar 28, 1:26 pm, (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:
In article .com,

Joe wrote:
The hostage takers in Iran are now saying they are going to let the
female sailor go free today or tomorrow after they parade them on TV.

If she has a choice.

Should she stay, or should she go. ?

If she has a choice, she should stay IMHO.


I think so as well, you never leave your shipmates. and you never
accept special treatment.

John McCain is the perfect example (except he was a POW) and not a
hostage.

Joe

--
Capt. JG

Female Sailor
 

On Mar 28, 1:27 pm, (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:
In article ,

katy wrote:
Joe wrote:
The hostage takers in Iran are now saying they are going to let the
female sailor go free today or tomorrow after they parade them on TV.

If she has a choice.

Should she stay, or should she go. ?

Joe

I thought one of the major premises of being caught is that your duty is
to escape...seeing that she could give them some valuable information, I
say go...and I would make the same reply if it were a male sailor...

Good point, but I don't know what info a hostage would have that would
be that valuable.


Fleet movement, size, crew size, weapon systems, survillance tech,
schedules, ect.ect.ect.....

Joe


--
Capt. JG

Female Sailor
 

In article .com,
Joe wrote:
On Mar 28, 1:26 pm, (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:
In article .com,

Joe wrote:
The hostage takers in Iran are now saying they are going to let the
female sailor go free today or tomorrow after they parade them on TV.

If she has a choice.

Should she stay, or should she go. ?

If she has a choice, she should stay IMHO.


I think so as well, you never leave your shipmates. and you never
accept special treatment.

John McCain is the perfect example (except he was a POW) and not a
hostage.

Yes. Here's a link that describes what he did (or didn't do)...

http://www.straighttalkamerica.com/a...boutprint.aspx


--
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www.sailnow.com

Female Sailor
 

In article . com,
Joe wrote:
On Mar 28, 1:27 pm, (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:
In article ,

katy wrote:
Joe wrote:
The hostage takers in Iran are now saying they are going to let the
female sailor go free today or tomorrow after they parade them on TV.

If she has a choice.

Should she stay, or should she go. ?

Joe

I thought one of the major premises of being caught is that your duty is
to escape...seeing that she could give them some valuable information, I
say go...and I would make the same reply if it were a male sailor...

Good point, but I don't know what info a hostage would have that would
be that valuable.


Fleet movement, size, crew size, weapon systems, survillance tech,
schedules, ect.ect.ect.....

They're probably being moved around a lot... that's what typically
happens, and a rescue attempt probably wouldn't work, as Carter found
out. g
--
Capt. JG @@
www.sailnow.com

Female Sailor
 

Should she stay, or should she go. ?

Joe

She should go, if she has a choice. Not only is it there duty to try
to get away but they are offering her up for nothing at this point.
They aren't keeping the male sailors because they don't have enough
players for a game of poker. They want hostages for something. The
less they have the better. I understand the idea of not abandoning
your crew mates but a lot of other people can get hurt trying to
rescue you. Less people to rescue means less risk involved. later
when the Iranians are bargaining for the lives of these people they
will have a little less currency.

The fact that she is a woman does factor into this in that political
pressures to get a woman back can cause complications that might not
be there if all of the hostages are men they aer trying to retrieve,
not to mention the fact that she is probably physically less capable
of handling the extreme circumstances they are probably being
subjected to. I am sure I will attacked for saying that but the fact
is that women are generally physically weaker than men.

Female Sailor
 

Bill wrote:
Should she stay, or should she go. ?

Joe


She should go, if she has a choice. Not only is it there duty to try
to get away but they are offering her up for nothing at this point.
They aren't keeping the male sailors because they don't have enough
players for a game of poker. They want hostages for something. The
less they have the better. I understand the idea of not abandoning
your crew mates but a lot of other people can get hurt trying to
rescue you. Less people to rescue means less risk involved. later
when the Iranians are bargaining for the lives of these people they
will have a little less currency.

The fact that she is a woman does factor into this in that political
pressures to get a woman back can cause complications that might not
be there if all of the hostages are men they aer trying to retrieve,
not to mention the fact that she is probably physically less capable
of handling the extreme circumstances they are probably being
subjected to. I am sure I will attacked for saying that but the fact
is that women are generally physically weaker than men.

There's another factor here...they are Muslim...they have total disdain
for her because she is in the armed forces and not covered head to foot
in black swaddling...they are letting her go because in their eyes she
is not worth keeping...to use a woman as a bargaining tool would be to
admit that she was worth something...

Female Sailor
 

On Mar 28, 9:06 pm, "Scotty" w@u wrote:
I can't think of one good reason why she would stay.


loyality, honor, to be an example to others in the military. Not
accepting special treatment is key to a team.
..
Not that she has a choice, as Katy said in the muzz eye...she is not
worth anything.

Same thing happened in 1979, they let the women go, but held the men
for 444 days.

I just heard the Iranians want the British to admit they were in
Iranian waters and this can end soon.
I bet they do....then they can chop off some heads for trespassing.

Joe


SBV

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The hostage takers in Iran are now saying they are going
to let the
female sailor go free today or tomorrow after they parade
them on TV.

If she has a choice.

Should she stay, or should she go. ?

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I can't think of one good reason why she would stay.

SBV

"Joe" wrote in message
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The hostage takers in Iran are now saying they are going
to let the
female sailor go free today or tomorrow after they parade
them on TV.

If she has a choice.

Should she stay, or should she go. ?

Joe

Female Sailor
 

In article ,
katy wrote:
There's another factor here...they are Muslim...they have total disdain
for her because she is in the armed forces and not covered head to foot
in black swaddling...they are letting her go because in their eyes she
is not worth keeping...to use a woman as a bargaining tool would be to
admit that she was worth something...

That's why she should refuse.


--
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Female Sailor
 

Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article ,
katy wrote:

There's another factor here...they are Muslim...they have total disdain
for her because she is in the armed forces and not covered head to foot
in black swaddling...they are letting her go because in their eyes she
is not worth keeping...to use a woman as a bargaining tool would be to
admit that she was worth something...


That's why she should refuse.


It's all moot now...they just had her on tv giving her "confession" that
they were in Iranian waters...she sounded as if she had been put through
the ringer...I have no doubts that she was coerced...

Female Sailor
 

On Mar 29, 9:37 am, "Scotty" w@u wrote:
Nuke em all!

I rather see their leader Amadajahitler arrested when he visits NYC
soon.
He was a member of the revolutionary guards that took the recent
hostages BTW.

How Britons were conned by Iranian gunboat trick

The speed and cunning shown by the Revolutionary Guards suggests that
their action was premeditatedDominic Kennedy
The British sailors and marines being held by Iran were ambushed at
their most vulnerable moment, while climbing down the ladder of a
merchant ship and trying to get into their bobbing inflatables.

Out of sight of their warship and without any helicopter cover, their
only link to their commanders was a communications device beaming
their position by satellite.

That went dead as they were captured. One theory is that it was thrown
overboard to prevent the Iranians getting hold of the equipment and
the information it contained.

The Ministry of Defence released the coordinates of the searched
vessel yesterday to prove that the Iranian Revolutionary Guards made
an unprovoked and improper attack in Iraqi waters.

The Iranians also blundered in diplomatic talks by giving the British
their own compass reference for the place where they said the 14 men
and one woman had been seized. When Britain plotted these on a map and
pointed out that the spot was in Iraq's maritime area, the Iranians
came up with a new set of coordinates, putting the seizure in their
own waters.

The speed and cunning shown by the Revolutionary Guards has raised
suspicions that their action was premeditated. A senior military
officer described it as "deliberate".

It took only three minutes for the Iranians, moving at 40 knots, to
move from their legitimate positions monitoring shipping in their
waters to come alongside the British last Friday morning.

The sailors and marines from HMS Cornwall were in the Gulf, working
under a United Nations mandate to protect Iraq from smuggling and
threats to the oil industry, when an Indian-flagged vessel came under
suspicion.

It was in shallow waters and the Cornwall was unable to go alongside
without grounding. A boarding party jumped into two ribbed inflatable
boats, or RIBs, and set out to investigate.

A helicopter hovered to observe the boarding but, after confirming
that the Indian vessel was peaceful and friendly, returned to the
ship. The Cornwall stayed in contact with the two launch boats via a
communications link providing a GPS satellite position.

After the successful boarding of the innocent Indian vessel, the
Britons began returning to their RIBs. At that moment one Iranian
patrol vessel came alongside, adopting a friendly posture. As a second
Iranian vessel arrived, the Revolutionary Guards turned aggressive.

HMS Cornwalllost communications with the launch boats and sent up the
helicopter to investigate. The air crew watched as the small British
inflatables were forced towards Iran. By now, up to four Iranian
Revolutionary Guard vessels were swarming round the Britons.

Although the seizure has been widely linked to the taking of five
Iranians by US forces in Iraq, Iranian diplomats have ruled this out.
They say that there is no relation between the Britons' seizure and
any other bilateral, regional or international issue.

From the start, the Iranian Ambassador to London gave British
diplomats a set of coordinates for the location of the confrontation.

Margaret Beckett, the Foreign Secretary, told the Iranian Foreign
Minister that these compass points actually indicated a spot clearly
in Iraqi waters. She tried to give Iran an exit route by suggesting
that it might all be a misunderstanding that could be resolved by an
immediate release of the captives.

On Sunday, the helicopter from HMS Cornwall flew back over the Indian
vessel, which was still anchored and had drifted only slightly. A
photograph was taken of an airman holding a GPS device. The
coordinates on this picture, the MoD insists, prove that the Britons
were comfortably within Iraqi waters when captured.

On Monday, Iran surprised Britain by coming up with a "corrected" set
of coordinates. "The two Iranian positions are just under a nautical
mile apart, 1,800 yards or so," Vice-Admiral Charles Style, a Deputy
Chief of the Defence Staff, said yesterday.

Mrs Beckett told the Iranian Foreign Minister that she could not
accept the Iranians' version of events. She told MPs in the House of
Commons that it was "impossible to believe, given the seriousness of
the incident, that the Iranians could have made such a mistake with
the original coordinates, which after all they gave us over several
days".



Outgunned

- The two Iranian patrol ships that seized the Britons were equipped
with rocket-propelled grenades and heavy machine guns, enough for a
small sea battle. By contrast, the Britons go lightly armed on vessels
they search in the Gulf. Each man is issued with a rifle or a pistol

- The Iranians struck at a vulnerable moment when the Britons were
climbing down a ladder to jump into their inflatables

- The Royal Navy does train its men in the techniques needed to fight
at just such a dangerous stage. "They had all the rights available to
act in self-defence under law," a senior military officer said. But
they were in an "almost impossible position"

- A similar decision to hold fire was taken by the six Royal Marines
and two sailors captured by Iran in 2004 in similar circumstances.
Scott Fallon, a former marine, said they did think about shooting
their way free but knew it would be hopeless. He told BBC Radio 4:
"They had antiaircraft guns. We would have stood no chance"





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On Mar 28, 9:06 pm, "Scotty" w@u wrote:
I can't think of one good reason why she would stay.

loyality, honor, to be an example to others in the
military. Not
accepting special treatment is key to a team.
.
Not that she has a choice, as Katy said in the muzz
eye...she is not
worth anything.

Same thing happened in 1979, they let the women go, but
held the men
for 444 days.

I just heard the Iranians want the British to admit they
were in
Iranian waters and this can end soon.
I bet they do....then they can chop off some heads for
trespassing.

Joe

SBV

"Joe" wrote in message

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.

The hostage takers in Iran are now saying they are
going
to let the
female sailor go free today or tomorrow after they
parade
them on TV.

If she has a choice.

Should she stay, or should she go. ?

Joe- Hide quoted text -

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Nuke em all!



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On Mar 28, 9:06 pm, "Scotty" w@u wrote:
I can't think of one good reason why she would stay.


loyality, honor, to be an example to others in the
military. Not
accepting special treatment is key to a team.
.
Not that she has a choice, as Katy said in the muzz
eye...she is not
worth anything.

Same thing happened in 1979, they let the women go, but
held the men
for 444 days.

I just heard the Iranians want the British to admit they
were in
Iranian waters and this can end soon.
I bet they do....then they can chop off some heads for
trespassing.

Joe


SBV

"Joe" wrote in message


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The hostage takers in Iran are now saying they are
going
to let the
female sailor go free today or tomorrow after they
parade
them on TV.

If she has a choice.

Should she stay, or should she go. ?

Joe- Hide quoted text -

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Scotty wrote:
Do whatever it takes ( pay ransom?) to get the sailors out
and
then NUKE THAT FREAKING PLACE TO HELL !!!!!!!!!


SBV


Too many innocent people...and if we gave them 24 hours to evacuate do
you really think they wouldn't retaliate by nuking Israel? And do you
think either Russia or CHina is going to sit back and allow that to
happen or not take similar measures to us if we did such a thing? THis
isn't like Japan...other people have nukes now and what that would cause
is a mass chain reaction ...we would, of course, win the battle becasue
we have the superior firepower, butwe would lose the war with the
world...whatever respect we now have would go down the drain...and we
would be responsible for massive destruction on the earth, polluting the
air streams, water, etc. And qwe would certainly have global warming
after such an event....

Female Sailor
 

Do whatever it takes ( pay ransom?) to get the sailors out
and
then NUKE THAT FREAKING PLACE TO HELL !!!!!!!!!


SBV
"Joe" wrote in message
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On Mar 29, 9:37 am, "Scotty" w@u wrote:
Nuke em all!

I rather see their leader Amadajahitler arrested when he
visits NYC
soon.
He was a member of the revolutionary guards that took the
recent
hostages BTW.

How Britons were conned by Iranian gunboat trick

The speed and cunning shown by the Revolutionary Guards
suggests that
their action was premeditatedDominic Kennedy
The British sailors and marines being held by Iran were
ambushed at
their most vulnerable moment, while climbing down the
ladder of a
merchant ship and trying to get into their bobbing
inflatables.

Out of sight of their warship and without any helicopter
cover, their
only link to their commanders was a communications device
beaming
their position by satellite.

That went dead as they were captured. One theory is that
it was thrown
overboard to prevent the Iranians getting hold of the
equipment and
the information it contained.

The Ministry of Defence released the coordinates of the
searched
vessel yesterday to prove that the Iranian Revolutionary
Guards made
an unprovoked and improper attack in Iraqi waters.

The Iranians also blundered in diplomatic talks by giving
the British
their own compass reference for the place where they said
the 14 men
and one woman had been seized. When Britain plotted these
on a map and
pointed out that the spot was in Iraq's maritime area, the
Iranians
came up with a new set of coordinates, putting the seizure
in their
own waters.

The speed and cunning shown by the Revolutionary Guards
has raised
suspicions that their action was premeditated. A senior
military
officer described it as "deliberate".

It took only three minutes for the Iranians, moving at 40
knots, to
move from their legitimate positions monitoring shipping
in their
waters to come alongside the British last Friday morning.

The sailors and marines from HMS Cornwall were in the
Gulf, working
under a United Nations mandate to protect Iraq from
smuggling and
threats to the oil industry, when an Indian-flagged vessel
came under
suspicion.

It was in shallow waters and the Cornwall was unable to go
alongside
without grounding. A boarding party jumped into two ribbed
inflatable
boats, or RIBs, and set out to investigate.

A helicopter hovered to observe the boarding but, after
confirming
that the Indian vessel was peaceful and friendly, returned
to the
ship. The Cornwall stayed in contact with the two launch
boats via a
communications link providing a GPS satellite position.

After the successful boarding of the innocent Indian
vessel, the
Britons began returning to their RIBs. At that moment one
Iranian
patrol vessel came alongside, adopting a friendly posture.
As a second
Iranian vessel arrived, the Revolutionary Guards turned
aggressive.

HMS Cornwalllost communications with the launch boats and
sent up the
helicopter to investigate. The air crew watched as the
small British
inflatables were forced towards Iran. By now, up to four
Iranian
Revolutionary Guard vessels were swarming round the
Britons.

Although the seizure has been widely linked to the taking
of five
Iranians by US forces in Iraq, Iranian diplomats have
ruled this out.
They say that there is no relation between the Britons'
seizure and
any other bilateral, regional or international issue.

From the start, the Iranian Ambassador to London gave
British
diplomats a set of coordinates for the location of the
confrontation.

Margaret Beckett, the Foreign Secretary, told the Iranian
Foreign
Minister that these compass points actually indicated a
spot clearly
in Iraqi waters. She tried to give Iran an exit route by
suggesting
that it might all be a misunderstanding that could be
resolved by an
immediate release of the captives.

On Sunday, the helicopter from HMS Cornwall flew back over
the Indian
vessel, which was still anchored and had drifted only
slightly. A
photograph was taken of an airman holding a GPS device.
The
coordinates on this picture, the MoD insists, prove that
the Britons
were comfortably within Iraqi waters when captured.

On Monday, Iran surprised Britain by coming up with a
"corrected" set
of coordinates. "The two Iranian positions are just under
a nautical
mile apart, 1,800 yards or so," Vice-Admiral Charles
Style, a Deputy
Chief of the Defence Staff, said yesterday.

Mrs Beckett told the Iranian Foreign Minister that she
could not
accept the Iranians' version of events. She told MPs in
the House of
Commons that it was "impossible to believe, given the
seriousness of
the incident, that the Iranians could have made such a
mistake with
the original coordinates, which after all they gave us
over several
days".



Outgunned

- The two Iranian patrol ships that seized the Britons
were equipped
with rocket-propelled grenades and heavy machine guns,
enough for a
small sea battle. By contrast, the Britons go lightly
armed on vessels
they search in the Gulf. Each man is issued with a rifle
or a pistol

- The Iranians struck at a vulnerable moment when the
Britons were
climbing down a ladder to jump into their inflatables

- The Royal Navy does train its men in the techniques
needed to fight
at just such a dangerous stage. "They had all the rights
available to
act in self-defence under law," a senior military officer
said. But
they were in an "almost impossible position"

- A similar decision to hold fire was taken by the six
Royal Marines
and two sailors captured by Iran in 2004 in similar
circumstances.
Scott Fallon, a former marine, said they did think about
shooting
their way free but knew it would be hopeless. He told BBC
Radio 4:
"They had antiaircraft guns. We would have stood no
chance"





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On Mar 28, 9:06 pm, "Scotty" w@u wrote:
I can't think of one good reason why she would stay.

loyality, honor, to be an example to others in the
military. Not
accepting special treatment is key to a team.
.
Not that she has a choice, as Katy said in the muzz
eye...she is not
worth anything.

Same thing happened in 1979, they let the women go,
but
held the men
for 444 days.

I just heard the Iranians want the British to admit
they
were in
Iranian waters and this can end soon.
I bet they do....then they can chop off some heads for
trespassing.

Joe

SBV

"Joe" wrote in message


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.

The hostage takers in Iran are now saying they are
going
to let the
female sailor go free today or tomorrow after they
parade
them on TV.

If she has a choice.

Should she stay, or should she go. ?

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On Mar 29, 10:17 am, katy wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Do whatever it takes ( pay ransom?) to get the sailors out
and
then NUKE THAT FREAKING PLACE TO HELL !!!!!!!!!

SBV

Too many innocent people...and if we gave them 24 hours to evacuate do
you really think they wouldn't retaliate by nuking Israel? And do you
think either Russia or CHina is going to sit back and allow that to
happen or not take similar measures to us if we did such a thing? THis
isn't like Japan...other people have nukes now and what that would cause
is a mass chain reaction ...we would, of course, win the battle becasue
we have the superior firepower, butwe would lose the war with the
world...whatever respect we now have would go down the drain...and we
would be responsible for massive destruction on the earth, polluting the
air streams, water, etc. And qwe would certainly have global warming
after such an event....

I think we will have global cooling..Ever hear of a Nuclear winter?

Russia could not do squawt, China sells to much stuff here.

I think cruise missles and stelth aircraft can take care of the
problem in a day without the use of nukes.

Joe

Female Sailor
 

Those hostages should turn things around on the Iranian sand monkeys. First
they should beat each others faces so they can't be shown on tv. They should
not eat at all and attempt to kill themselves. This all will make the
Iranian acne monsters look bad as if they were the abusers. They should make
as much trouble as possible so they Iranian dune fools will plead with the
Brits to take them back.

BTW I just fought my way off of Netkkkop. hahaha!!

Lloyd

Female Sailor
 

Joe wrote:
On Mar 29, 10:17 am, katy wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Do whatever it takes ( pay ransom?) to get the sailors out
and
then NUKE THAT FREAKING PLACE TO HELL !!!!!!!!!

SBV

Too many innocent people...and if we gave them 24 hours to evacuate do
you really think they wouldn't retaliate by nuking Israel? And do you
think either Russia or CHina is going to sit back and allow that to
happen or not take similar measures to us if we did such a thing? THis
isn't like Japan...other people have nukes now and what that would cause
is a mass chain reaction ...we would, of course, win the battle becasue
we have the superior firepower, butwe would lose the war with the
world...whatever respect we now have would go down the drain...and we
would be responsible for massive destruction on the earth, polluting the
air streams, water, etc. And qwe would certainly have global warming
after such an event....


I think we will have global cooling..Ever hear of a Nuclear winter?

I mispoke

Russia could not do squawt, China sells to much stuff here.

China could give a rip how much stuff we buy in that scenario...enough
of our companies are now over there that they would just nationalize
them...China is the biggest silent threat to the world right now and
people do not realize that she is just sitting there taking a nap until
the time is right...why make that time now?

I think cruise missles and stelth aircraft can take care of the
problem in a day without the use of nukes.

It hasn't taken care of the problem in Iraq...

Joe

Female Sailor
 

Scotty wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...

Scotty wrote:

Do whatever it takes ( pay ransom?) to get the sailors

out

and
then NUKE THAT FREAKING PLACE TO HELL !!!!!!!!!


SBV


Too many innocent people...and if we gave them 24 hours to

evacuate do

you really think they wouldn't retaliate by nuking Israel?

And do you

think either Russia or CHina is going to sit back and

allow that to

happen or not take similar measures to us if we did such a

thing? THis

isn't like Japan...other people have nukes now and what

that would cause

is a mass chain reaction ...we would, of course, win the

battle becasue

we have the superior firepower, butwe would lose the war

with the

world...whatever respect we now have would go down the

drain...and we

would be responsible for massive destruction on the earth,

polluting the

air streams, water, etc. And qwe would certainly have

global warming

after such an event....


Typical girly response.



Yeah...my testesterone isn't dictating my actions...

Female Sailor
 

On Mar 29, 11:15 am, katy wrote:
Joe wrote:
On Mar 29, 10:17 am, katy wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Do whatever it takes ( pay ransom?) to get the sailors out
and
then NUKE THAT FREAKING PLACE TO HELL !!!!!!!!!

SBV

Too many innocent people...and if we gave them 24 hours to evacuate do
you really think they wouldn't retaliate by nuking Israel? And do you
think either Russia or CHina is going to sit back and allow that to
happen or not take similar measures to us if we did such a thing? THis
isn't like Japan...other people have nukes now and what that would cause
is a mass chain reaction ...we would, of course, win the battle becasue
we have the superior firepower, butwe would lose the war with the
world...whatever respect we now have would go down the drain...and we
would be responsible for massive destruction on the earth, polluting the
air streams, water, etc. And qwe would certainly have global warming
after such an event....

I think we will have global cooling..Ever hear of a Nuclear winter?

I mispoke



Russia could not do squawt, China sells to much stuff here.

China could give a rip how much stuff we buy in that scenario...enough
of our companies are now over there that they would just nationalize
them...China is the biggest silent threat to the world right now and
people do not realize that she is just sitting there taking a nap until
the time is right...why make that time now?



I think cruise missles and stelth aircraft can take care of the
problem in a day without the use of nukes.

It hasn't taken care of the problem in Iraq...

uhhh Saddam's dead. Todays problem is internal Iraqi, insurgents and
the fact we stayed to help them attain order.
We should have killed Saddam and his evil horde secured the oil fields
until we were paid back 10Xs over with crude then left.

No way should we put one troop on the ground in Iran... unless it is
colvert targeting teams illuminating targets for the B52's, B1's and
Stelth's.

Joe





Joe- Hide quoted text -

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Female Sailor
 

Lloyd Bonafide wrote:
Those hostages should turn things around on the Iranian sand monkeys. First
they should beat each others faces so they can't be shown on tv. They should
not eat at all and attempt to kill themselves. This all will make the
Iranian acne monsters look bad as if they were the abusers. They should make
as much trouble as possible so they Iranian dune fools will plead with the
Brits to take them back.

BTW I just fought my way off of Netkkkop. hahaha!!

Lloyd


Right...compound the issue with lies....great idea....you're a real piece...

Female Sailor
 

Joe wrote:
On Mar 29, 11:15 am, katy wrote:

Joe wrote:

On Mar 29, 10:17 am, katy wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Do whatever it takes ( pay ransom?) to get the sailors out
and
then NUKE THAT FREAKING PLACE TO HELL !!!!!!!!!

SBV

Too many innocent people...and if we gave them 24 hours to evacuate do
you really think they wouldn't retaliate by nuking Israel? And do you
think either Russia or CHina is going to sit back and allow that to
happen or not take similar measures to us if we did such a thing? THis
isn't like Japan...other people have nukes now and what that would cause
is a mass chain reaction ...we would, of course, win the battle becasue
we have the superior firepower, butwe would lose the war with the
world...whatever respect we now have would go down the drain...and we
would be responsible for massive destruction on the earth, polluting the
air streams, water, etc. And qwe would certainly have global warming
after such an event....

I think we will have global cooling..Ever hear of a Nuclear winter?

I mispoke




Russia could not do squawt, China sells to much stuff here.

China could give a rip how much stuff we buy in that scenario...enough
of our companies are now over there that they would just nationalize
them...China is the biggest silent threat to the world right now and
people do not realize that she is just sitting there taking a nap until
the time is right...why make that time now?




I think cruise missles and stelth aircraft can take care of the
problem in a day without the use of nukes.

It hasn't taken care of the problem in Iraq...


uhhh Saddam's dead. Todays problem is internal Iraqi, insurgents and
the fact we stayed to help them attain order.
We should have killed Saddam and his evil horde secured the oil fields
until we were paid back 10Xs over with crude then left.

No way should we put one troop on the ground in Iran... unless it is
colvert targeting teams illuminating targets for the B52's, B1's and
Stelth's.

Joe





Joe- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -



For every Saddam you kill over there, 10 more will spring up...this is
not conventional war fought for conventional means but jihad on their
part. They are not going to relent. I do beleive we have a responsibilty
now that we've interferred to put things right in Iraq and I think there
are enough Iraqui's who want that so it might work but Iran is a
different story. It is a much more sophisticated country than Iraq.
Blowing it up is just one more inflammatory action that won't get us
anything but more grief.

Female Sailor
 

"katy" wrote in message
...
Scotty wrote:
Do whatever it takes ( pay ransom?) to get the sailors
out
and
then NUKE THAT FREAKING PLACE TO HELL !!!!!!!!!


SBV


Too many innocent people...and if we gave them 24 hours to
evacuate do
you really think they wouldn't retaliate by nuking Israel?
And do you
think either Russia or CHina is going to sit back and
allow that to
happen or not take similar measures to us if we did such a
thing? THis
isn't like Japan...other people have nukes now and what
that would cause
is a mass chain reaction ...we would, of course, win the
battle becasue
we have the superior firepower, butwe would lose the war
with the
world...whatever respect we now have would go down the
drain...and we
would be responsible for massive destruction on the earth,
polluting the
air streams, water, etc. And qwe would certainly have
global warming
after such an event....

Typical girly response.

Female Sailor
 

On Mar 29, 11:49 am, katy wrote:
Joe wrote:
On Mar 29, 11:15 am, katy wrote:

Joe wrote:

On Mar 29, 10:17 am, katy wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Do whatever it takes ( pay ransom?) to get the sailors out
and
then NUKE THAT FREAKING PLACE TO HELL !!!!!!!!!

SBV

Too many innocent people...and if we gave them 24 hours to evacuate do
you really think they wouldn't retaliate by nuking Israel? And do you
think either Russia or CHina is going to sit back and allow that to
happen or not take similar measures to us if we did such a thing? THis
isn't like Japan...other people have nukes now and what that would cause
is a mass chain reaction ...we would, of course, win the battle becasue
we have the superior firepower, butwe would lose the war with the
world...whatever respect we now have would go down the drain...and we
would be responsible for massive destruction on the earth, polluting the
air streams, water, etc. And qwe would certainly have global warming
after such an event....

I think we will have global cooling..Ever hear of a Nuclear winter?

I mispoke

Russia could not do squawt, China sells to much stuff here.

China could give a rip how much stuff we buy in that scenario...enough
of our companies are now over there that they would just nationalize
them...China is the biggest silent threat to the world right now and
people do not realize that she is just sitting there taking a nap until
the time is right...why make that time now?

I think cruise missles and stelth aircraft can take care of the
problem in a day without the use of nukes.

It hasn't taken care of the problem in Iraq...

uhhh Saddam's dead. Todays problem is internal Iraqi, insurgents and
the fact we stayed to help them attain order.
We should have killed Saddam and his evil horde secured the oil fields
until we were paid back 10Xs over with crude then left.

No way should we put one troop on the ground in Iran... unless it is
colvert targeting teams illuminating targets for the B52's, B1's and
Stelth's.

Joe

Joe- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

For every Saddam you kill over there, 10 more will spring up.

With the knowledge of what happened to the first Saddam.

...this is
not conventional war fought for conventional means but jihad on their
part. They are not going to relent. I do beleive we have a responsibilty
now that we've interferred to put things right in Iraq and I think there
are enough Iraqui's who want that so it might work

Not if the dems add so much pork to a funding bill it's vetoed and the
troops do not get the supplies they need.
And giving the insurgents a time frame to leave, all they have to do
is sit it out until we leave.

but Iran is a
different story. It is a much more sophisticated country than Iraq.
Blowing it up is just one more inflammatory action that won't get us
anything but more grief.- Hide quoted text -

Depends on what you blow-up. We learned in 1979 how Iran deals with
hostages.

If you make it to expensive to take hostages, then the leaders will
be encourged to prevent it. As things are they have nothing to bargain
policy with but the hostages. If we do not act in a firm and
determined way we encourage such action.

Let's hope Blair acts soon.

Joe





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Female Sailor
 

"Scotty" w@u wrote in message
. ..
Nuke em all!

Then drill through the glass to the oil. g


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Female Sailor
 

"katy" wrote in message
...
Lloyd Bonafide wrote:
Those hostages should turn things around on the Iranian sand monkeys.
First they should beat each others faces so they can't be shown on tv.
They should not eat at all and attempt to kill themselves. This all will
make the Iranian acne monsters look bad as if they were the abusers. They
should make as much trouble as possible so they Iranian dune fools will
plead with the Brits to take them back.

BTW I just fought my way off of Netkkkop. hahaha!!

Lloyd
Right...compound the issue with lies....great idea....you're a real
piece...

http://www.nwc.navy.mil/press/Review...r/art9-w98.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Stockdale

"He was held as a prisoner of war in the Hoa Lo prison for the next seven
years. Locked in leg irons in a bath stall, he was routinely tortured and
beaten. When told by his captors that he was to be paraded in public,
Stockdale slit his scalp with a razor to purposely disfigure himself so that
his captors could not use him as propaganda. When they covered his head with
a hat, Stockdale beat himself with a stool until his face was swollen beyond
recognition. He told them in no uncertain terms that they would never use
him. When Stockdale heard that other prisoners were dying under the torture,
he slit his wrists and told them that he preferred death to submission.

Little did Stockdale know that the actions of his wife, Mrs. Sybil
Stockdale, had a tremendous impact on how the North Vietnamese reacted to
these acts of self-mutilation in 1969. Early in her husband's captivity she
organized The League of American Families of POW's and MIA's, with other
wives of servicemen who were in similar circumstance. By 1968 she and her
organization, which called for the President and the U.S. Congress to
publicly acknowledge the mistreatment of the POW's (something that they had
never done even though they had evidence of gross mistreatment), was finally
getting the attention of the American press and consequently the attention
of the North Vietnamese. Mrs. Stockdale personally made these demands known
at The Paris Peace Talks and private comments made to her by the head of the
Vietnamese delegation there indicated concern that her organization might
catch the attention of the American public, something the North Vietnamese
knew could turn the tide against them. The result couldn't have been more
fortunate for James Stockdale at the very time he slit his wrists. The
Vietnamese now understood that they had no choice but to end their program
of brutal torture or else they would be exposed internationally for their
gross acts of cruelty, something that would completely derail their
propaganda program which had so successfully convinced the American press
and public that the prisoners were well treated."

Female Sailor
 

"Lloyd Bonafide" wrote in message
...
Those hostages should turn things around on the Iranian sand monkeys.
First they should beat each others faces so they can't be shown on tv.
They should not eat at all and attempt to kill themselves. This all
will make the Iranian acne monsters look bad as if they were the
abusers. They should make as much trouble as possible so they Iranian
dune fools will plead with the Brits to take them back.

BTW I just fought my way off of Netkkkop. hahaha!!

Did that Jonathan Ganz netKKKop you again? That man's a royal pain in
the behind. But, it might not have been him. Aioe has been tuning their
servers and were off for several days. They just returned yesterday. I'm
Ted Bell and I haven't been able to post either. (Theyr'e otta be a
law!) I thought maybe it was that scurvy fellow Ganz for a brief moment
but as proficient a netKKKop as he is, even he can't put an entire
server off-line. Speaking of servers. We have some fine specimens of
femininity serving great scrumptious steaks at Ted's of Beverly Hills
Steakhouse. Be sure to treat yourself to a mouth-watering extravaganza
if you find yourself visiting the home of the stars.

I'm Ted Bell!

Female Sailor
 

"Ted Bell" wrote in message
...

"Lloyd Bonafide" wrote in message
...
Those hostages should turn things around on the Iranian sand monkeys.
First they should beat each others faces so they can't be shown on
tv. They should not eat at all and attempt to kill themselves. This
all will make the Iranian acne monsters look bad as if they were the
abusers. They should make as much trouble as possible so they Iranian
dune fools will plead with the Brits to take them back.

BTW I just fought my way off of Netkkkop. hahaha!!

Did that Jonathan Ganz netKKKop you again? That man's a royal pain in
the behind. But, it might not have been him. Aioe has been tuning
their servers and were off for several days. They just returned
yesterday. I'm Ted Bell and I haven't been able to post either.
(Theyr'e otta be a law!) I thought maybe it was that scurvy fellow
Ganz for a brief moment but as proficient a netKKKop as he is, even he
can't put an entire server off-line. Speaking of servers. We have some
fine specimens of femininity serving great scrumptious steaks at Ted's
of Beverly Hills Steakhouse. Be sure to treat yourself to a
mouth-watering extravaganza if you find yourself visiting the home of
the stars.

I'm Ted Bell!


Get a life.

Wilbur Hubbard

Female Sailor
 

On Mar 29, 1:19 pm, "Lloyd Bonafide" wrote:
snip
The
Vietnamese now understood that they had no choice but to end their program
of brutal torture or else they would be exposed internationally for their
gross acts of cruelty, something that would completely derail their
propaganda program which had so successfully convinced the American press
and public that the prisoners were well treated."


This Guy Lloyd ? http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Co..._6p.vsmall.jpg

What's that blue thing around his neck?

Was he Ross's VP?

Joe

Female Sailor
 

"Joe" wrote in message
ps.com...
On Mar 29, 1:19 pm, "Lloyd Bonafide" wrote:
snip
The
Vietnamese now understood that they had no choice but to end their
program
of brutal torture or else they would be exposed internationally for
their
gross acts of cruelty, something that would completely derail their
propaganda program which had so successfully convinced the American
press
and public that the prisoners were well treated."


This Guy Lloyd ?
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Co..._6p.vsmall.jpg

What's that blue thing around his neck?


Deputy sheriff badge? Citizen's auxiliary police bandana?

Wilbur Hubbard