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"Charlie Morgan" wrote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-PpU8MUbHE&NR

Wow, I got tired just watching it... And some people here claim displacement boats
don't plane. Duh! Oz was right. Some people need to sail on one of those.

Cheers,
Ellen

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Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Charlie Morgan" wrote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-PpU8MUbHE&NR

Wow, I got tired just watching it...

You should exercise more.

And some people here claim displacement boats
don't plane. Duh! Oz was right. Some people need to sail on one of those.


I saw no displacement hulls planing . A displacement hull, by
defination must be supported by buoyancy alone, and it must displace
water from its path rather than planing on the water's surface. If it
is planing it's either a planing hull or semi-planing hull and not a
displacement hull.

Joe



Cheers,
Ellen

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Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Charlie Morgan" wrote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-PpU8MUbHE&NR

Wow, I got tired just watching it... And some people here claim displacement boats
don't plane. Duh! Oz was right. Some people need to sail on one of those.

Cheers,
Ellen


Open 60's are a displacement boat? Shirley you jest!

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"Joe" wrote in message
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And some people here claim displacement boats
don't plane. Duh! Oz was right. Some people need to sail on one of
those.


I saw no displacement hulls planing . A displacement hull, by
defination must be supported by buoyancy alone, and it must displace
water from its path rather than planing on the water's surface. If it
is planing it's either a planing hull or semi-planing hull and not a
displacement hull.

Joe

Even a planing hull becomes a displacement hull some part of the time-when
it stops...

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"Jeff" wrote
Open 60's are a displacement boat? Shirley you jest!

http://www.conradhumphreysracing.com...?articleid=211

Scroll down and it says *displacement* 8.5 tons.

Cheers,
Ellen

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Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Jeff" wrote
Open 60's are a displacement boat? Shirley you jest!

http://www.conradhumphreysracing.com...?articleid=211

Scroll down and it says *displacement* 8.5 tons.


So? The "displacement" of a boat is the mass of the water it
displaces at rest. A "displacement boat" or hull is one that
displaces approximately the same amount of water regardless of its
speed. A "planing hull" is one that when moving lifts out of the
water and thus displaces less water than its mass would imply.

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"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Jeff" wrote
Open 60's are a displacement boat? Shirley you jest!

http://www.conradhumphreysracing.com...?articleid=211

Scroll down and it says *displacement* 8.5 tons.


So? The "displacement" of a boat is the mass of the water it displaces at
rest. A "displacement boat" or hull is one that displaces approximately
the same amount of water regardless of its speed. A "planing hull" is one
that when moving lifts out of the water and thus displaces less water than
its mass would imply.


Forget it Jeff. Neal is not too bright.

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"Jeff" wrote in messagenews:_4OdnZkT1Z6MtCjYnZ2dnUVZ_h6vnZ2d@comca st.com...


"Jeff" wrote
Open 60's are a displacement boat? Shirley you jest!


Ellen MacArthur wrote:
http://www.conradhumphreysracing.com...?articleid=211

Scroll down and it says *displacement* 8.5 tons.


Now *that* was funny

So? The "displacement" of a boat is the mass of the water it displaces at
rest. A "displacement boat" or hull is one that displaces approximately
the same amount of water regardless of its speed. A "planing hull" is one
that when moving lifts out of the water and thus displaces less water than
its mass would imply.

It doesn't necessarily have to "lift out of the water" just be
supported (at least partially) by the force of the water flowing under
the hull. Although with some boats, the lift is pretty amazing and has
to be seen/felt to be believed.

"Capt. JG" wrote:
Forget it Jeff. Neal is not too bright.


True. In fact, the above statement is one of the most convincing that
"Ellen" is really the Crapton.

-signed- Injun Ear (formerly known as Eagle Eye)

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wrote:


"Jeff" wrote in messagenews:_4OdnZkT1Z6MtCjYnZ2dnUVZ_h6vnZ2d@comca st.com...


"Jeff" wrote
Open 60's are a displacement boat? Shirley you jest!


Ellen MacArthur wrote:
http://www.conradhumphreysracing.com...?articleid=211
Scroll down and it says *displacement* 8.5 tons.

Now *that* was funny

So? The "displacement" of a boat is the mass of the water it displaces at
rest. A "displacement boat" or hull is one that displaces approximately
the same amount of water regardless of its speed. A "planing hull" is one
that when moving lifts out of the water and thus displaces less water than
its mass would imply.

It doesn't necessarily have to "lift out of the water" just be
supported (at least partially) by the force of the water flowing under
the hull. Although with some boats, the lift is pretty amazing and has
to be seen/felt to be believed.

"Capt. JG" wrote:
Forget it Jeff. Neal is not too bright.


True. In fact, the above statement is one of the most convincing that
"Ellen" is really the Crapton.

-signed- Injun Ear (formerly known as Eagle Eye)

which statement?

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True. In fact, the above statement is one of the most convincing that
"Ellen" is really the Crapton.

Jeff wrote:
which statement?

Saying that a spec of stated displacement was an indicator that the
boat in question is a "displacement hull."

-signed- Injun Ear (formerly known as Eagle Eye)

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wrote
Saying that a spec of stated displacement was an indicator that the
boat in question is a "displacement hull."

Duh! And what's wrong with saying that. Every hull that floats displaces enough
water to float it. It would sink if it didn't. So every hull that floats is a displacement
hull. If somebody says no it's not a displacement hull! It's a planing hull. That's wrong.
It's a displacement hull that's going so fast it's planing. If you have a submarine it
has a hull. When it's floating on top of the water it's a displacement hull. When it's
under water it's a displacement hull weighted down enough to sink it. The same's
true for a open60. When it's planing it's a displacement hull planing. Just like the
submarine's a displacement hull sinking. Both of them never stop being a displacement
hull. So you think something that weighs tons can just all of a sudden stop weighing
anything because it's skimming along the top of the water?
Did you ever skip flat rocks across the water. The rock will skip so you could
say it's a planing rock. But it will sink when it stops so it's not a displacement rock.
As long as a hull planing doesn't sink when it stops it's a displacement hull.
Now you tell me what's wrong with me saying if a displacement is listed it's a
displacement hull? If it displaces so many tons of water it's floating and displacing.
That's a displacement hull. You lose Mister-Know-It-All.

Cheers,
Ellen

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On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:37:18 -0500, Jeff wrote:

wrote:
True. In fact, the above statement is one of the most convincing that
"Ellen" is really the Crapton.

Jeff wrote:
which statement?

Saying that a spec of stated displacement was an indicator that the
boat in question is a "displacement hull."

-signed- Injun Ear (formerly known as Eagle Eye)

That was an ignorant comment, and admittedly not unlike many Neal has
proposed, but its a bit too simplistic to be very "convincing."

Frankly, I'm not sure why anyone is concerned whether Ellen is a neal
puppet. She's not as offensive as Neal was, so if this is his new
persona, its a step up.

The clincher for me was the fact Ellen seems to have access/control to
add and remove things from the good Crapton's website.
Mark E. Williams

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"Maynard G. Krebbs" wrote in
message ...

The clincher for me was the fact Ellen seems to have
access/control to
add and remove things from the good Crapton's website.
Mark E. Williams

Anybody can hack into that low tech site.

Nelly

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Saying that a spec of stated displacement was an indicator that the
boat in question is a "displacement hull."



"Ellen MacArthur" wrote:
Duh! And what's wrong with saying that.

2 things.

It is incorrect.
It shows ignorance of sailing terminology.

Every hull that floats displaces enough
water to float it. It would sink if it didn't.

Depends on how you define "floats." Is a boat not "floating" when it's
planing? It is not sinking, and it is not displacing water.

If somebody says no it's not a displacement hull! It's a planing hull. That's wrong.

Only if you are ignorant of commonly accepted nautical terms.

It's a displacement hull that's going so fast it's planing.

Here's a good way to tell if it's the Crapton.... OK "Ellen" let's
play your game, please define the terms "planing" and "hull speed."



Both of them never stop being a displacement
hull.

A hull that is delibarately designed to benefit by planing is not a
"displacement hull" in correct terminology. That's why there are
different words.


Now you tell me what's wrong with me saying if a displacement is listed it's a
displacement hull?

Because intelligent sailors want to know the mass of the boat & it's
potential load of stores. That figure is traditionally listed as
"displacement" just as the width of the hull is traditionally termed
the "beam."

-signed- Injun Ear (formerly known as Eagle Eye)

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Jeff wrote:
Frankly, I'm not sure why anyone is concerned whether Ellen is a neal
puppet.

Good point, I don't really care myself. Some people have made a big
deal of saying it is the Crapton, others that it isn't; still others
seem to mourn the absence of the Crapton so if "Ellen" is Neal then
the Crapton is still here.

She's not as offensive as Neal was, so if this is his new
persona, its a step up.

Agreed, but it probably only reflects his diminishing testosterone
levels.

-signed- Injun Ear (formerly known as Eagle Eye)

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wrote in message
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Jeff wrote:
Frankly, I'm not sure why anyone is concerned whether Ellen is a neal
puppet.

Good point, I don't really care myself. Some people have made a big
deal of saying it is the Crapton, others that it isn't; still others
seem to mourn the absence of the Crapton so if "Ellen" is Neal then
the Crapton is still here.

She's not as offensive as Neal was, so if this is his new
persona, its a step up.

Agreed, but it probably only reflects his diminishing testosterone
levels.

-signed- Injun Ear (formerly known as Eagle Eye)



Hahaahaha.... too much! Thanks!

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