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Ellen MacArthur January 17th 07 04:27 PM

Maxprop asked for more proof....
 
This is what Maxprop said: "Show us a photo of you--clad any way you choose--on the same boat you showed
us in another photo, and I'll believe you're not Neal. Of course you can't do this because you *are* Neal."
OK buster. Just like making Tom eat crow I'm gonna make you eat crow, too. But, probably you'll just be saying
something like "I need one more picture. This time you have to be turning a winch handle." (Katy said that. Duh, maybe
she needs glasses. There're no winches on Elle Niño. Only swivel cam cleats. One on each side for the jib sheets
and one on the back for the mainsheet.)
Oh, was it you who said the Tangerines supposed to have pulleys to hold the sheets down so the jib won't flap and
flutter on the leech? Maybe it was Jeff. Anyway instead of pulleys I got fairleads. Much cheaper. Now the jib
doesn't flutter any more. The fairleads pull it in and down and stretches the leech better.
Are you ready for some pictures? I've got three of them uploaded to badongo.
The first one's my boat from the back showing the name and home port......
http://www.badongo.com/pic/420191
The second's from the side with a rainbow in the background. It's sooo kewl....
http://www.badongo.com/pic/420192
The third's me standing in the cockpit wearing a bikini..... Sorry guys, no topless but it is sorta skin colored.
;-)
http://www.badongo.com/pic/420193
I took the sails down this time because the wind was onshore. But what a pain. The jib kept blowing around and
went in the water a couple times. Finally I put the boarding ladder on top of it to make it stay put. I think it's
easier just to leave them up and anchor where the wind's blocked.


Cheers,
Ellen




katy January 17th 07 04:35 PM

Maxprop asked for more proof....
 
Ellen MacArthur wrote:
This is what Maxprop said: "Show us a photo of you--clad any way you choose--on the same boat you showed
us in another photo, and I'll believe you're not Neal. Of course you can't do this because you *are* Neal."
OK buster. Just like making Tom eat crow I'm gonna make you eat crow, too. But, probably you'll just be saying
something like "I need one more picture. This time you have to be turning a winch handle." (Katy said that. Duh, maybe
she needs glasses. There're no winches on Elle Niño. Only swivel cam cleats. One on each side for the jib sheets
and one on the back for the mainsheet.)
Oh, was it you who said the Tangerines supposed to have pulleys to hold the sheets down so the jib won't flap and
flutter on the leech? Maybe it was Jeff. Anyway instead of pulleys I got fairleads. Much cheaper. Now the jib
doesn't flutter any more. The fairleads pull it in and down and stretches the leech better.
Are you ready for some pictures? I've got three of them uploaded to badongo.
The first one's my boat from the back showing the name and home port......
http://www.badongo.com/pic/420191
The second's from the side with a rainbow in the background. It's sooo kewl....
http://www.badongo.com/pic/420192
The third's me standing in the cockpit wearing a bikini..... Sorry guys, no topless but it is sorta skin colored.
;-)
http://www.badongo.com/pic/420193
I took the sails down this time because the wind was onshore. But what a pain. The jib kept blowing around and
went in the water a couple times. Finally I put the boarding ladder on top of it to make it stay put. I think it's
easier just to leave them up and anchor where the wind's blocked.


Cheers,
Ellen



More Photoshop...so there's a Tangerine in Tbor City...so what...doesn't
prove anything...by the way, when you blow up the pic of the supposed
person on the boat, the reflection is only of the boat...and the way the
person is standig in the boat would casue a slight list to the starboard
side...which of course doesn't exist because that person is not on the
boat...but your photoshopping is getting better...

Ellen MacArthur January 17th 07 04:43 PM

Maxprop asked for more proof....
 

"katy" wrote
More Photoshop...so there's a Tangerine in Tbor City...so what...doesn't prove anything...by the way, when you blow up
the pic of the supposed person on the boat, the reflection is only of the boat...and the way the person is standig in
the boat would casue a slight list to the starboard side...which of course doesn't exist because that person is not on
the boat...but your photoshopping is getting better...


Everybody's an expert. Duh. I'm standing in the cockpit. That's the middle of
the boat. Why should it list? What matters is my weight in the back. You can
see it's pushed down in the back. Compare it to the empty boat. Duh. I probably
only weigh about half what you weigh, Katy so I don't push the boat down too
far but it's down you can see it.

Cheers,
Ellen



katy January 17th 07 05:27 PM

Maxprop asked for more proof....
 
Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"katy" wrote

More Photoshop...so there's a Tangerine in Tbor City...so what...doesn't prove anything...by the way, when you blow up
the pic of the supposed person on the boat, the reflection is only of the boat...and the way the person is standig in
the boat would casue a slight list to the starboard side...which of course doesn't exist because that person is not on
the boat...but your photoshopping is getting better...



Everybody's an expert. Duh. I'm standing in the cockpit. That's the middle of
the boat. Why should it list? What matters is my weight in the back. You can
see it's pushed down in the back. Compare it to the empty boat. Duh. I probably
only weigh about half what you weigh, Katy so I don't push the boat down too
far but it's down you can see it.

Cheers,
Ellen


Duh...you drool while you type, too. Neal? That's a very light
displacement daysailor...doens't matter if you only weigh 90 lbs you're
still going to make it list to starboard standing like that. Give it
up...only thing you're proving is that you have a whole lot of time on
your hands...

Ian Malcolm January 17th 07 07:36 PM

Maxprop asked for more proof....
 
katy wrote:
Ellen MacArthur wrote:

"katy" wrote

More Photoshop...so there's a Tangerine in Tbor City...so
what...doesn't prove anything...by the way, when you blow up the pic
of the supposed person on the boat, the reflection is only of the
boat...and the way the person is standig in the boat would casue a
slight list to the starboard side...which of course doesn't exist
because that person is not on the boat...but your photoshopping is
getting better...




Everybody's an expert. Duh. I'm standing in the cockpit. That's
the middle of
the boat. Why should it list? What matters is my weight in the back.
You can
see it's pushed down in the back. Compare it to the empty boat. Duh. I
probably
only weigh about half what you weigh, Katy so I don't push the boat
down too
far but it's down you can see it.

Cheers,
Ellen

Duh...you drool while you type, too. Neal? That's a very light
displacement daysailor...doens't matter if you only weigh 90 lbs you're
still going to make it list to starboard standing like that. Give it
up...only thing you're proving is that you have a whole lot of time on
your hands...


Not to mention that your namesake would never stow a main that sloppily
and leave the boat. As for the jib - f***ing pond sailor, never a blue
water yachtswoman to leave the boat with it like that!

We teach our novices to stow sails better than that in their first two
sessions. Any slow to learn get shown the invoice for the last new set,
they have some respect for them then.

--
Ian Malcolm. London, ENGLAND. (NEWSGROUP REPLY PREFERRED)
ianm[at]the[dash]malcolms[dot]freeserve[dot]co[dot]uk
[at]=@, [dash]=- & [dot]=. *Warning* HTML & 32K emails -- NUL:
'Stingo' Albacore #1554 - 15' Early 60's, Uffa Fox designed,
All varnished hot moulded wooden racing dinghy.

Ted Bell January 17th 07 07:54 PM

Maxprop asked for more proof....
 

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...
This is what Maxprop said: "Show us a photo of you--clad any way you
choose--on the same boat you showed
us in another photo, and I'll believe you're not Neal. Of course you
can't do this because you *are* Neal."
OK buster. Just like making Tom eat crow I'm gonna make you eat crow,
too. But, probably you'll just be saying
something like "I need one more picture. This time you have to be turning
a winch handle." (Katy said that. Duh, maybe
she needs glasses. There're no winches on Elle Niño. Only swivel cam
cleats. One on each side for the jib sheets
and one on the back for the mainsheet.)
Oh, was it you who said the Tangerines supposed to have pulleys to hold
the sheets down so the jib won't flap and
flutter on the leech? Maybe it was Jeff. Anyway instead of pulleys I got
fairleads. Much cheaper. Now the jib
doesn't flutter any more. The fairleads pull it in and down and stretches
the leech better.
Are you ready for some pictures? I've got three of them uploaded to
badongo.
The first one's my boat from the back showing the name and home
port......
http://www.badongo.com/pic/420191
The second's from the side with a rainbow in the background. It's sooo
kewl....
http://www.badongo.com/pic/420192
The third's me standing in the cockpit wearing a bikini..... Sorry
guys, no topless but it is sorta skin colored. ;-)
http://www.badongo.com/pic/420193
I took the sails down this time because the wind was onshore. But what
a pain. The jib kept blowing around and
went in the water a couple times. Finally I put the boarding ladder on top
of it to make it stay put. I think it's
easier just to leave them up and anchor where the wind's blocked.


Cheers,
Ellen




Ellen,

You are one hot babe. I, Ted Bell, will be down your way next week and would
like to hook up with you for an evening at one of my new steak houses. You
are so hot I bet your butt is covered with tin foil. So watcha say hottie
cakes - an evening with me, Ted Bell?

I'm Ted Bell!



Ted Bell January 17th 07 08:15 PM

Maxprop asked for more proof....
 

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:54:59 -0700, "Ted Bell"
wrote:


"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
dfreenews.net...
This is what Maxprop said: "Show us a photo of you--clad any way you
choose--on the same boat you showed
us in another photo, and I'll believe you're not Neal. Of course you
can't do this because you *are* Neal."
OK buster. Just like making Tom eat crow I'm gonna make you eat crow,
too. But, probably you'll just be saying
something like "I need one more picture. This time you have to be
turning
a winch handle." (Katy said that. Duh, maybe
she needs glasses. There're no winches on Elle Niño. Only swivel cam
cleats. One on each side for the jib sheets
and one on the back for the mainsheet.)
Oh, was it you who said the Tangerines supposed to have pulleys to
hold
the sheets down so the jib won't flap and
flutter on the leech? Maybe it was Jeff. Anyway instead of pulleys I got
fairleads. Much cheaper. Now the jib
doesn't flutter any more. The fairleads pull it in and down and
stretches
the leech better.
Are you ready for some pictures? I've got three of them uploaded to
badongo.
The first one's my boat from the back showing the name and home
port......
http://www.badongo.com/pic/420191
The second's from the side with a rainbow in the background. It's
sooo
kewl....
http://www.badongo.com/pic/420192
The third's me standing in the cockpit wearing a bikini..... Sorry
guys, no topless but it is sorta skin colored. ;-)
http://www.badongo.com/pic/420193
I took the sails down this time because the wind was onshore. But
what
a pain. The jib kept blowing around and
went in the water a couple times. Finally I put the boarding ladder on
top
of it to make it stay put. I think it's
easier just to leave them up and anchor where the wind's blocked.


Cheers,
Ellen




Ellen,

You are one hot babe. I, Ted Bell, will be down your way next week and
would
like to hook up with you for an evening at one of my new steak houses. You
are so hot I bet your butt is covered with tin foil. So watcha say hottie
cakes - an evening with me, Ted Bell?

I'm Ted Bell!


http://www.myspace.com/tedsofbeverlyhills

CWM


Right you are there Charlie! That's me, Ted Bell and my steakhouse. Next
time you come in introduce yourself and I'll set you up with a complimentary
top sirlion, potato wrapped in tin foil and a nice piece of garlic bread.
Bring a special someone and it's twofers free! All compliments of me -Ted
Bell.

I'm Ted Bell!



Ellen MacArthur January 17th 07 09:24 PM

Maxprop asked for more proof....
 

"katy" wrote
Duh...you drool while you type, too. Neal? That's a very light displacement daysailor...doens't matter if you only
weigh 90 lbs you're still going to make it list to starboard standing like that. Give it up...only thing you're
proving is that you have a whole lot of time on your hands...


Standing straight up in the cockpit in the middle of the boat's gonna make it list?
I don't think so. I could weigh 200# and still the boat wouldn't list unless I was
sitting or standing on one side of the cockpit. Duh!
It's a day sailer but it's pretty heavy. It's got real ballast in the keel. It's not water
like the MacGregor26s. Here's the site and the weights:

http://www.geocities.com/renkensailboats/Technical.html

TECHNICAL INFORMATION:
Boat name: Renken 18 Sailboat (R18)
LOA: 17'6"
LWL: 15'3"
Draft: 24"
Beam: 6'4"
Keel: fixed shoal
Displacement: 1220 lbs
Ballast: 450 lbs
Sleeps: 2 adults, 2 children
Sail area: main=91 sq. ft., jib=59 sq. ft. (total=150 sq. ft.)
Portsmouth # (for regattas): 112.4
Tangerine / Sigma 18 / Renken 18
History and Technical Data

Now there's probably 200 more pounds inside with the canned goods and other foods, stove,
two anchors, life jackets, cushions, water jugs, battery, lantern, extra sails, blankets, sheets, pillows
etc. And I bet I scraped a hundred pounds of guck off the bottom. But I did that before the pictures
so it doesn't really count. I broke a nail on my right pinky and got a cut on a cuticle by a barnacle.
And it's wide in the back. Lots of flotation back there. It's pretty wide for its length.
6'4" beam. It's probably close to that across the transom. My weight just doesn't push it down
very much.

Cheers,
Ellen








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Cheers,
Ellen



Ellen MacArthur January 17th 07 09:34 PM

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"Ian Malcolm" wrote
Not to mention that your namesake would never stow a main that sloppily and leave the boat. As for the jib - f***ing
pond sailor, never a blue water yachtswoman to leave the boat with it like that!


She's got roller furling sails in the front and probably on the mainsail too.
But, your right. I should have tidied them up better. But there wasn't much wind. Only
about ten miles per hour so it wasn't likely to cause any wear problems. But I don't
see what's so sloppy about the main. I had it sorta rolled up and strapped to the boom
with the end of the mainsheet. It couldn't flap.

We teach our novices to stow sails better than that in their first two sessions. Any slow to learn get shown the
invoice for the last new set, they have some respect for them then.


My sails especially the jib are old and worn out. Maybe I'll get some new ones one of
these days if the old ones rip. The wire cable inside the front of the jib rusted real bad
and broke at the bottom. I had to pull the bottom end out and I had to sew some patches on
and put some new hanks on. But it needs new patches on all the hanks. And about 3/4 of the
cable is still in the sail. I can't pull it out. It's rusted in. Maybe it'll loosen up more as I use it.....
Those copper or brass grommets at the hanks are mostly corroded away too. I bought some
more at Wal-Mart and a tool to hammer them together so I can do that one of these days too.

Cheers,
Ellen



Seahag January 18th 07 12:50 AM

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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote:

The third's me standing in the cockpit wearing a
bikini..... Sorry guys, no topless but it is sorta skin
colored. ;-)
http://www.badongo.com/pic/420193


Bwaa haw haw haw ha!

Seahag



Ian Malcolm January 18th 07 02:15 AM

Maxprop asked for more proof....
 
Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Ian Malcolm" wrote

Not to mention that your namesake would never stow a main that sloppily and leave the boat. As for the jib - f***ing
pond sailor, never a blue water yachtswoman to leave the boat with it like that!



She's got roller furling sails in the front and probably on the mainsail too.
But, your right. I should have tidied them up better. But there wasn't much wind. Only
about ten miles per hour so it wasn't likely to cause any wear problems. But I don't
see what's so sloppy about the main. I had it sorta rolled up and strapped to the boom
with the end of the mainsheet. It couldn't flap.


We teach our novices to stow sails better than that in their first two sessions. Any slow to learn get shown the
invoice for the last new set, they have some respect for them then.



My sails especially the jib are old and worn out. Maybe I'll get some new ones one of
these days if the old ones rip. The wire cable inside the front of the jib rusted real bad
and broke at the bottom. I had to pull the bottom end out and I had to sew some patches on
and put some new hanks on. But it needs new patches on all the hanks. And about 3/4 of the
cable is still in the sail. I can't pull it out. It's rusted in. Maybe it'll loosen up more as I use it.....
Those copper or brass grommets at the hanks are mostly corroded away too. I bought some
more at Wal-Mart and a tool to hammer them together so I can do that one of these days too.

Cheers,
Ellen


Well, If you post a photo of the damaged edge of the jib, I can probably
tell you how to do a "good 'nuff" although not up to sailmakers standard
repair. Hold it up to the camera so I can take a good look. Oh BTW,
*Please* wear clothes while you are posing that shot, You are too
distracting in swimwear for me to concentrate on the sail . . .

--
Ian Malcolm. London, ENGLAND. (NEWSGROUP REPLY PREFERRED)
ianm[at]the[dash]malcolms[dot]freeserve[dot]co[dot]uk
[at]=@, [dash]=- & [dot]=. *Warning* HTML & 32K emails -- NUL:
'Stingo' Albacore #1554 - 15' Early 60's, Uffa Fox designed,
All varnished hot moulded wooden racing dinghy.

[email protected] January 18th 07 03:00 AM

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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote
The first one's my boat from the back showing the name and home
port......
http://www.badongo.com/pic/420191


Nice try. You still drinking Sterno most nights? Your vision is
suffering if you think that is a passable photoshopped job.

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
http://www.myspace.com/tedsofbeverlyhills



Ted Bell wrote:
Right you are there Charlie! That's me, Ted Bell and my steakhouse. Next
time you come in introduce yourself and I'll set you up with a complimentary
top sirlion, potato wrapped in tin foil and a nice piece of garlic bread.
Bring a special someone and it's twofers free! All compliments of me -Ted
Bell.

I'm Ted Bell!


"Charlie"s potato is already wrapped in tinfoil, and it's only half
baked. And while I'm not sure if he can tolerate garlic, I'm quite sure
that he casts no reflection in a mirror.

-signed- Injun Ear (formerly known as Eagle Eye)


katy January 18th 07 03:06 AM

Maxprop asked for more proof....
 
Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"katy" wrote

Duh...you drool while you type, too. Neal? That's a very light displacement daysailor...doens't matter if you only
weigh 90 lbs you're still going to make it list to starboard standing like that. Give it up...only thing you're
proving is that you have a whole lot of time on your hands...



Standing straight up in the cockpit in the middle of the boat's gonna make it list?
I don't think so. I could weigh 200# and still the boat wouldn't list unless I was
sitting or standing on one side of the cockpit. Duh!
It's a day sailer but it's pretty heavy. It's got real ballast in the keel. It's not water
like the MacGregor26s. Here's the site and the weights:

http://www.geocities.com/renkensailboats/Technical.html

TECHNICAL INFORMATION:
Boat name: Renken 18 Sailboat (R18)
LOA: 17'6"
LWL: 15'3"
Draft: 24"
Beam: 6'4"
Keel: fixed shoal
Displacement: 1220 lbs
Ballast: 450 lbs
Sleeps: 2 adults, 2 children
Sail area: main=91 sq. ft., jib=59 sq. ft. (total=150 sq. ft.)
Portsmouth # (for regattas): 112.4
Tangerine / Sigma 18 / Renken 18
History and Technical Data

Now there's probably 200 more pounds inside with the canned goods and other foods, stove,
two anchors, life jackets, cushions, water jugs, battery, lantern, extra sails, blankets, sheets, pillows
etc. And I bet I scraped a hundred pounds of guck off the bottom. But I did that before the pictures
so it doesn't really count. I broke a nail on my right pinky and got a cut on a cuticle by a barnacle.
And it's wide in the back. Lots of flotation back there. It's pretty wide for its length.
6'4" beam. It's probably close to that across the transom. My weight just doesn't push it down
very much.

Cheers,
Ellen








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Cheers,
Ellen


I stand by what I said...a boat of that weight and build would list to
starboard with someone standing where the person is purported to be
standing...write all you want...it won't make a difference...you'e
wrong..and you're Neal....

Maxprop January 18th 07 03:16 AM

Maxprop asked for more proof....
 

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...
This is what Maxprop said: "Show us a photo of you--clad any way you
choose--on the same boat you showed
us in another photo, and I'll believe you're not Neal. Of course you
can't do this because you *are* Neal."
OK buster. Just like making Tom eat crow I'm gonna make you eat crow,
too. But, probably you'll just be saying
something like "I need one more picture. This time you have to be turning
a winch handle." (Katy said that. Duh, maybe
she needs glasses. There're no winches on Elle Niño. Only swivel cam
cleats. One on each side for the jib sheets
and one on the back for the mainsheet.)
Oh, was it you who said the Tangerines supposed to have pulleys to hold
the sheets down so the jib won't flap and
flutter on the leech? Maybe it was Jeff. Anyway instead of pulleys I got
fairleads. Much cheaper.


You've been arguing colregs, and now you're using the word "pulleys" as
applied to sailboats??? That dog won't hunt, Neal. I really thought you'd
be more consistent at this sort of thing.

Now the jib
doesn't flutter any more. The fairleads pull it in and down and stretches
the leech better.
Are you ready for some pictures? I've got three of them uploaded to
badongo.
The first one's my boat from the back showing the name and home
port......
http://www.badongo.com/pic/420191


Proving nothing.

The second's from the side with a rainbow in the background. It's sooo
kewl....
http://www.badongo.com/pic/420192


Still proving nothing.

The third's me standing in the cockpit wearing a bikini..... Sorry
guys, no topless but it is sorta skin colored. ;-)
http://www.badongo.com/pic/420193


Stick with sockpuppeteering, Neal, because you're terrible at cut-and-paste
with Photoshop. That's about as half-assed as anything I've ever seen.

I took the sails down this time because the wind was onshore. But what
a pain. The jib kept blowing around and
went in the water a couple times. Finally I put the boarding ladder on top
of it to make it stay put. I think it's
easier just to leave them up and anchor where the wind's blocked.


How is that crow, Neal? I've never tasted it.

Max




Maxprop January 18th 07 03:18 AM

Maxprop asked for more proof....
 

"katy" wrote in message
...
Ellen MacArthur wrote:
This is what Maxprop said: "Show us a photo of you--clad any way you
choose--on the same boat you showed
us in another photo, and I'll believe you're not Neal. Of course you
can't do this because you *are* Neal."
OK buster. Just like making Tom eat crow I'm gonna make you eat crow,
too. But, probably you'll just be saying
something like "I need one more picture. This time you have to be turning
a winch handle." (Katy said that. Duh, maybe
she needs glasses. There're no winches on Elle Niño. Only swivel cam
cleats. One on each side for the jib sheets
and one on the back for the mainsheet.)
Oh, was it you who said the Tangerines supposed to have pulleys to
hold the sheets down so the jib won't flap and
flutter on the leech? Maybe it was Jeff. Anyway instead of pulleys I got
fairleads. Much cheaper. Now the jib
doesn't flutter any more. The fairleads pull it in and down and stretches
the leech better.
Are you ready for some pictures? I've got three of them uploaded to
badongo.
The first one's my boat from the back showing the name and home
port......
http://www.badongo.com/pic/420191
The second's from the side with a rainbow in the background. It's
sooo kewl....
http://www.badongo.com/pic/420192
The third's me standing in the cockpit wearing a bikini..... Sorry
guys, no topless but it is sorta skin colored. ;-)
http://www.badongo.com/pic/420193
I took the sails down this time because the wind was onshore. But
what a pain. The jib kept blowing around and
went in the water a couple times. Finally I put the boarding ladder on
top of it to make it stay put. I think it's
easier just to leave them up and anchor where the wind's blocked.


Cheers,
Ellen



More Photoshop...so there's a Tangerine in Tbor City...so what...doesn't
prove anything...by the way, when you blow up the pic of the supposed
person on the boat, the reflection is only of the boat...and the way the
person is standig in the boat would casue a slight list to the starboard
side...which of course doesn't exist because that person is not on the
boat...but your photoshopping is getting better...


It's terrible, actually. The boat would be down by the stern as well. Neal
should stick with being a conservative--he does that pretty well.

Max



Maxprop January 18th 07 03:23 AM

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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
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She's got roller furling sails in the front


That would be "bow," madame colregs expert.

and probably on the mainsail too.


You don't know?

But, your right. I should have tidied them up better. But there wasn't
much wind. Only
about ten miles per hour so it wasn't likely to cause any wear problems.


Ten miles an hour?? Not knots? And from the surface of the water, there
isn't a knot and one half. You're terrible at this, Neal. Give it up.
Throw in the towel before you embarrass yourself further.

But I don't
see what's so sloppy about the main. I had it sorta rolled up and strapped
to the boom
with the end of the mainsheet. It couldn't flap.

We teach our novices to stow sails better than that in their first two
sessions. Any slow to learn get shown the invoice for the last new set,
they have some respect for them then.


My sails especially the jib are old and worn out. Maybe I'll get some
new ones one of
these days if the old ones rip. The wire cable inside the front of the jib
rusted real bad
and broke at the bottom. I had to pull the bottom end out and I had to sew
some patches on
and put some new hanks on. But it needs new patches on all the hanks.


Oh, now we're back to proper terminology, eh? What sort of sailor refers to
"pulleys" and "hanks" in the same breath??

And about 3/4 of the
cable is still in the sail. I can't pull it out. It's rusted in. Maybe
it'll loosen up more as I use it.....
Those copper or brass grommets at the hanks are mostly corroded away too.
I bought some
more at Wal-Mart and a tool to hammer them together so I can do that one
of these days too.


Next time you're at Wal-Mart, buy "Sailing for Dummies."

Max



katy January 18th 07 04:01 AM

Maxprop asked for more proof....
 
Maxprop wrote:
"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
news:45ae966c$0$97237



She's got roller furling sails in the front



That would be "bow," madame colregs expert.


and probably on the mainsail too.



You don't know?


But, your right. I should have tidied them up better. But there wasn't
much wind. Only
about ten miles per hour so it wasn't likely to cause any wear problems.



Ten miles an hour?? Not knots? And from the surface of the water, there
isn't a knot and one half. You're terrible at this, Neal. Give it up.
Throw in the towel before you embarrass yourself further.


But I don't
see what's so sloppy about the main. I had it sorta rolled up and strapped
to the boom
with the end of the mainsheet. It couldn't flap.


We teach our novices to stow sails better than that in their first two
sessions. Any slow to learn get shown the invoice for the last new set,
they have some respect for them then.


My sails especially the jib are old and worn out. Maybe I'll get some
new ones one of
these days if the old ones rip. The wire cable inside the front of the jib
rusted real bad
and broke at the bottom. I had to pull the bottom end out and I had to sew
some patches on
and put some new hanks on. But it needs new patches on all the hanks.



Oh, now we're back to proper terminology, eh? What sort of sailor refers to
"pulleys" and "hanks" in the same breath??


And about 3/4 of the
cable is still in the sail. I can't pull it out. It's rusted in. Maybe
it'll loosen up more as I use it.....
Those copper or brass grommets at the hanks are mostly corroded away too.
I bought some
more at Wal-Mart and a tool to hammer them together so I can do that one
of these days too.



Next time you're at Wal-Mart, buy "Sailing for Dummies."

Max


And steal some more batteries...oh..I forgot...that was K-Mart....

Gilligan January 18th 07 02:26 PM

Maxprop asked for more proof....
 

"Maxprop" wrote in message
link.net...

"katy" wrote in message
...
Ellen MacArthur wrote:
This is what Maxprop said: "Show us a photo of you--clad any way
you choose--on the same boat you showed
us in another photo, and I'll believe you're not Neal. Of course you
can't do this because you *are* Neal."
OK buster. Just like making Tom eat crow I'm gonna make you eat
crow, too. But, probably you'll just be saying
something like "I need one more picture. This time you have to be
turning a winch handle." (Katy said that. Duh, maybe
she needs glasses. There're no winches on Elle Niño. Only swivel cam
cleats. One on each side for the jib sheets
and one on the back for the mainsheet.)
Oh, was it you who said the Tangerines supposed to have pulleys to
hold the sheets down so the jib won't flap and
flutter on the leech? Maybe it was Jeff. Anyway instead of pulleys I got
fairleads. Much cheaper. Now the jib
doesn't flutter any more. The fairleads pull it in and down and
stretches the leech better.
Are you ready for some pictures? I've got three of them uploaded to
badongo.
The first one's my boat from the back showing the name and home
port......
http://www.badongo.com/pic/420191
The second's from the side with a rainbow in the background. It's
sooo kewl....
http://www.badongo.com/pic/420192
The third's me standing in the cockpit wearing a bikini..... Sorry
guys, no topless but it is sorta skin colored. ;-)
http://www.badongo.com/pic/420193
I took the sails down this time because the wind was onshore. But
what a pain. The jib kept blowing around and
went in the water a couple times. Finally I put the boarding ladder on
top of it to make it stay put. I think it's
easier just to leave them up and anchor where the wind's blocked.


Cheers,
Ellen



More Photoshop...so there's a Tangerine in Tbor City...so what...doesn't
prove anything...by the way, when you blow up the pic of the supposed
person on the boat, the reflection is only of the boat...and the way the
person is standig in the boat would casue a slight list to the starboard
side...which of course doesn't exist because that person is not on the
boat...but your photoshopping is getting better...


It's terrible, actually. The boat would be down by the stern as well.
Neal should stick with being a conservative--he does that pretty well.

Max

The good Capt Neal is a brilliant Conservative!

And Master Mariner!



Martin Baxter January 18th 07 05:27 PM

Maxprop asked for more proof....
 
Gilligan wrote:


The good Capt Neal is a brilliant Conservative!


He doesn't seem to have done a good job of conserving brain cells, if
the quality of his recent postings can be used as a yardstick!


And Master Mariner!


Yeah right, in a Winnebago Brave maybe.

http://tinyurl.com/3by39l


Cheers
Marty

Maxprop January 19th 07 04:21 AM

Maxprop asked for more proof....
 

"Gilligan" wrote in message
...

"Maxprop" wrote in message
link.net...

"katy" wrote in message
...
Ellen MacArthur wrote:
This is what Maxprop said: "Show us a photo of you--clad any way
you choose--on the same boat you showed
us in another photo, and I'll believe you're not Neal. Of course you
can't do this because you *are* Neal."
OK buster. Just like making Tom eat crow I'm gonna make you eat
crow, too. But, probably you'll just be saying
something like "I need one more picture. This time you have to be
turning a winch handle." (Katy said that. Duh, maybe
she needs glasses. There're no winches on Elle Niño. Only swivel cam
cleats. One on each side for the jib sheets
and one on the back for the mainsheet.)
Oh, was it you who said the Tangerines supposed to have pulleys to
hold the sheets down so the jib won't flap and
flutter on the leech? Maybe it was Jeff. Anyway instead of pulleys I
got fairleads. Much cheaper. Now the jib
doesn't flutter any more. The fairleads pull it in and down and
stretches the leech better.
Are you ready for some pictures? I've got three of them uploaded to
badongo.
The first one's my boat from the back showing the name and home
port......
http://www.badongo.com/pic/420191
The second's from the side with a rainbow in the background. It's
sooo kewl....
http://www.badongo.com/pic/420192
The third's me standing in the cockpit wearing a bikini..... Sorry
guys, no topless but it is sorta skin colored. ;-)
http://www.badongo.com/pic/420193
I took the sails down this time because the wind was onshore. But
what a pain. The jib kept blowing around and
went in the water a couple times. Finally I put the boarding ladder on
top of it to make it stay put. I think it's
easier just to leave them up and anchor where the wind's blocked.


Cheers,
Ellen



More Photoshop...so there's a Tangerine in Tbor City...so what...doesn't
prove anything...by the way, when you blow up the pic of the supposed
person on the boat, the reflection is only of the boat...and the way the
person is standig in the boat would casue a slight list to the starboard
side...which of course doesn't exist because that person is not on the
boat...but your photoshopping is getting better...


It's terrible, actually. The boat would be down by the stern as well.
Neal should stick with being a conservative--he does that pretty well.

Max

The good Capt Neal is a brilliant Conservative!

And Master Mariner!


I do believe he is. And he's also the master fisherman, hooking
unsuspecting specimens left and right throughout the cyber oceans of Usenet
World.

Max



katy January 19th 07 05:16 AM

Maxprop asked for more proof....
 
Maxprop wrote:
"Gilligan" wrote in message
...

"Maxprop" wrote in message
thlink.net...

"katy" wrote in message
...

Ellen MacArthur wrote:

This is what Maxprop said: "Show us a photo of you--clad any way
you choose--on the same boat you showed
us in another photo, and I'll believe you're not Neal. Of course you
can't do this because you *are* Neal."
OK buster. Just like making Tom eat crow I'm gonna make you eat
crow, too. But, probably you'll just be saying
something like "I need one more picture. This time you have to be
turning a winch handle." (Katy said that. Duh, maybe
she needs glasses. There're no winches on Elle Niño. Only swivel cam
cleats. One on each side for the jib sheets
and one on the back for the mainsheet.)
Oh, was it you who said the Tangerines supposed to have pulleys to
hold the sheets down so the jib won't flap and
flutter on the leech? Maybe it was Jeff. Anyway instead of pulleys I
got fairleads. Much cheaper. Now the jib
doesn't flutter any more. The fairleads pull it in and down and
stretches the leech better.
Are you ready for some pictures? I've got three of them uploaded to
badongo.
The first one's my boat from the back showing the name and home
port......
http://www.badongo.com/pic/420191
The second's from the side with a rainbow in the background. It's
sooo kewl....
http://www.badongo.com/pic/420192
The third's me standing in the cockpit wearing a bikini..... Sorry
guys, no topless but it is sorta skin colored. ;-)
http://www.badongo.com/pic/420193
I took the sails down this time because the wind was onshore. But
what a pain. The jib kept blowing around and
went in the water a couple times. Finally I put the boarding ladder on
top of it to make it stay put. I think it's
easier just to leave them up and anchor where the wind's blocked.


Cheers,
Ellen




More Photoshop...so there's a Tangerine in Tbor City...so what...doesn't
prove anything...by the way, when you blow up the pic of the supposed
person on the boat, the reflection is only of the boat...and the way the
person is standig in the boat would casue a slight list to the starboard
side...which of course doesn't exist because that person is not on the
boat...but your photoshopping is getting better...

It's terrible, actually. The boat would be down by the stern as well.
Neal should stick with being a conservative--he does that pretty well.

Max


The good Capt Neal is a brilliant Conservative!

And Master Mariner!



I do believe he is. And he's also the master fisherman, hooking
unsuspecting specimens left and right throughout the cyber oceans of Usenet
World.

Max


That's why it is our duty to inform and warn them all of the nasty traps
he lays out of season...

Thom Stewart January 19th 07 05:35 AM

Maxprop asked for more proof....
 
Hey Max,

You know she's not real. She is Make-believe. Where in the hell is the
Photographer located? Is he in a Dink? Why isn't he in the boat?

Ask her to put on a sweat shirt and slanks, with a sun hat? Have the
camera abroad to take that picture. That will take some time to phony up
that.

We know she is a phony and a phony doesn't have to worry about Logic. If
she can Fake it OK, if not she can lie about what you asked or pay no
attention.

IGNORE Trying to be logical. We know what we know. Let it go at that!

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ILLDRINKTOTHAT


Ted Bell January 19th 07 04:26 PM

Maxprop asked for more proof....
 

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Hey Max,

You know she's not real. She is Make-believe. Where in the hell is the
Photographer located? Is he in a Dink? Why isn't he in the boat?

Ask her to put on a sweat shirt and slanks, with a sun hat? Have the
camera abroad to take that picture. That will take some time to phony up
that.

We know she is a phony and a phony doesn't have to worry about Logic. If
she can Fake it OK, if not she can lie about what you asked or pay no
attention.

IGNORE Trying to be logical. We know what we know. Let it go at that!

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ILLDRINKTOTHAT


Ellen is hot and she agreed to go to dinner with me. Who knows what will be
next?!

When she walks by, the men fall, stand and pose
When she winks an eye, the bread slice turns to toast
And she's got a lot of what they call the most

The girl can't help it, she was born to please
And she got a bigger man to squeeze
Won't you kindly be aware, the girl can't help it

She mesmerizes every mother's son
And if she's fine, [ the bee] says job well done
She made grandpa feel like 21

The girl can't help it, she was born to please
And if I go to her on bended knees
Won't you kindly be aware, the I can't help it
Because I'm hoping obviously
That someday, the answer will be
The girl can't help it cuz she's in love with me
Wahhhhhh!!!

When she walks by, the men fall, stand and grow
When she winks an eye, the bread slice turns to toast
And she's got a lot of what they call the most

The girl can't help it, she was born to please
And she got a bigger man to squeeze
Won't you kindly be aware, the girl can't help it
Because I'm hoping obviously
That some day, the answer will be
The girl can't help it cuz she's in love with me


I'm Ted Bell!



Ellen MacArthur January 19th 07 05:12 PM

Maxprop asked for more proof....
 

"Ted Bell" wrote
Ellen is hot and she agreed to go to dinner with me. Who knows what will be next?!

When she walks by, the men fall, stand and pose
When she winks an eye, the bread slice turns to toast
And she's got a lot of what they call the most

The girl can't help it, she was born to please
And she got a bigger man to squeeze
Won't you kindly be aware, the girl can't help it

She mesmerizes every mother's son
And if she's fine, [ the bee] says job well done
She made grandpa feel like 21

The girl can't help it, she was born to please
And if I go to her on bended knees
Won't you kindly be aware, the I can't help it
Because I'm hoping obviously
That someday, the answer will be
The girl can't help it cuz she's in love with me
Wahhhhhh!!!

When she walks by, the men fall, stand and grow
When she winks an eye, the bread slice turns to toast
And she's got a lot of what they call the most

The girl can't help it, she was born to please
And she got a bigger man to squeeze
Won't you kindly be aware, the girl can't help it
Because I'm hoping obviously
That some day, the answer will be
The girl can't help it cuz she's in love with me


I'm Ted Bell!



Ah, Ted, your soooo sweet. Poetry for little ole me.... Maxprop, Katy and Old Tom
need to be nice like you.
I've been dying to try one of your steaks with a *TED* or two to wash it down.
When are you gonna built a new Ted's Steakhouse in Sarasota? I could be guest
hostess for a couple days for your grand opening. :-) I'd even wear something sexy
like this http://howcool.com/catalog/product_i...ducts_id=11700
to help get you a lot of customers
Are Ted's Steakhouses showing sports on TV's? They make sexy costumes for
just about any theme.

Cheers,
Ellen



Ellen MacArthur January 19th 07 05:19 PM

Maxprop asked for more proof....
 

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote
I've been dying to try one of your steaks with a *TED* or two to wash it down.
When are you gonna built a new Ted's Steakhouse in Sarasota? I could be guest
hostess for a couple days for your grand opening. :-) I'd even wear something sexy
like this http://howcool.com/catalog/product_i...ducts_id=11700
to help get you a lot of customers



Or, I bet I'd look great in this one: http://howcool.com/catalog/product_i...ducts_id=32603

Cheers,
Ellen



Maxprop January 20th 07 03:39 AM

Maxprop asked for more proof....
 

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Hey Max,

You know she's not real. She is Make-believe.


I believe I've been saying that.

Where in the hell is the
Photographer located? Is he in a Dink? Why isn't he in the boat?


Not sure whom the photographer was, but it's a sure bet that the bimbette
and that boat have never been within a thousand miles of each other. Neal
may have taken a photo of that boat in Florida, but who knows. Or cares.


Ask her to put on a sweat shirt and slanks, with a sun hat? Have the
camera abroad to take that picture. That will take some time to phony up
that.


The simplest request would be to have her sit in the boat, dressed in jeans
and a sweatshirt, as you suggest, holding a sign that says, "Hi Thom and Max
and Katy." She could be smiling and waving to us, too. Of course Neal
isn't anywhere near that creative with Photoshop. But it would be amusing
to see him try.


We know she is a phony and a phony doesn't have to worry about Logic. If
she can Fake it OK, if not she can lie about what you asked or pay no
attention.

IGNORE Trying to be logical. We know what we know. Let it go at that!


Neal's been busted on this one. But it's fun to watch him squirm and
attempt to keep up the facade.

Max



Maxprop January 20th 07 03:40 AM

Maxprop asked for more proof....
 

"Ted Bell" wrote in message
...


Ellen is hot and she agreed to go to dinner with me. Who knows what will
be next?!


Hope you're gay, Teddy, and like grizzled older men.

I'm Ted Bell!


I do believe you are.

Max



Maxprop January 20th 07 03:44 AM

Maxprop asked for more proof....
 

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"Ted Bell" wrote
Ellen is hot and she agreed to go to dinner with me. Who knows what will
be next?!

When she walks by, the men fall, stand and pose
When she winks an eye, the bread slice turns to toast
And she's got a lot of what they call the most


snip some really awful 'poetry'

That some day, the answer will be
The girl can't help it cuz she's in love with me


I'm Ted Bell!



Ah, Ted, your soooo sweet. Poetry for little ole me.... Maxprop, Katy
and Old Tom
need to be nice like you.


Ah yes, Ted is a real sweetheart. You and he will make a lovely couple,
riding around in that MB McLaren.

I've been dying to try one of your steaks with a *TED* or two to wash
it down.
When are you gonna built a new Ted's Steakhouse in Sarasota? I could be
guest
hostess for a couple days for your grand opening. :-) I'd even wear
something sexy
like this http://howcool.com/catalog/product_i...ducts_id=11700
to help get you a lot of customers
Are Ted's Steakhouses showing sports on TV's? They make sexy costumes
for
just about any theme.


I'm sure Ted will build one in Sarasota just for you, Neal.

Max



Maxprop January 20th 07 03:46 AM

Maxprop asked for more proof....
 

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote
I've been dying to try one of your steaks with a *TED* or two to wash
it down.
When are you gonna built a new Ted's Steakhouse in Sarasota? I could be
guest
hostess for a couple days for your grand opening. :-) I'd even wear
something sexy
like this http://howcool.com/catalog/product_i...ducts_id=11700
to help get you a lot of customers



Or, I bet I'd look great in this one:
http://howcool.com/catalog/product_i...ducts_id=32603


You don't have the legs for it, Neal.

Max



Jeff January 20th 07 03:58 AM

Maxprop asked for more proof....
 
Maxprop wrote:
....

Not sure whom the photographer was, but it's a sure bet that the bimbette
and that boat have never been within a thousand miles of each other. Neal
may have taken a photo of that boat in Florida, but who knows. Or cares.

....

I don't know what's sadder - the fact that Neal obviously lost his
marginally adequate Coronado and now is reduced to sailing a
Tangerine, or that his alleged sock puppet has become the major topic
of this forum for the last few weeks.

Maxprop January 21st 07 06:11 AM

Maxprop asked for more proof....
 

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
Maxprop wrote:
...

Not sure whom the photographer was, but it's a sure bet that the bimbette
and that boat have never been within a thousand miles of each other.
Neal may have taken a photo of that boat in Florida, but who knows. Or
cares.

...

I don't know what's sadder - the fact that Neal obviously lost his
marginally adequate Coronado and now is reduced to sailing a Tangerine, or
that his alleged sock puppet has become the major topic of this forum for
the last few weeks.


He's no doubt basking in the glory of it all.

Max




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