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U.S. Coast Guard | November 29, 2006
Jacksonville, FL. - The Coast Guard has removed a man found on a barge this morning whose sailing vessel collided with a tug and barge today at about 5a.m. Russell Joseph Bolton, 51, of Green Cove Springs, Fla., was sailing off the coast of St. Augustine, Fla., when his 33-foot sailing vessel collided with a 115-foot barge being towed by the 70-foot Ybor City. Bolton was able to jump on to the barge before being thrown in the water. The crew of the American-flagged Ybor City was unaware that the sailing vessel collided with their barge and spotted Bolton this morning at about 10 a.m. The crew of Ybor City thought that Bolton may have been a stowaway and called Coast Guard rescue coordinators at Sector Jacksonville. The rescue coordinators sent a boarding team to from Coast Guard Station Mayport, Fla., along with a Customs and Border Protection officer to board the barge. The Coast Guard boarding team handcuffed Bolton until they could determine he was not a threat to their safety. After the joint Coast Guard and CBP boarding team verified his identity and nationality, Bolton was taken back to Sector Jacksonville on a rescue boat from Station Mayport. Bolton was not injured in the collision, and there was no one else aboard the sail boat with Bolton during the collision. Bolton lived aboard his sailing vessel and will be taken to an American Red Cross Shelter by the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office. |
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"Joe" wrote U.S. Coast Guard | November 29, 2006 Jacksonville, FL. - The Coast Guard has removed a man found on a barge this morning whose sailing vessel collided with a tug and barge today at about 5a.m. Russell Joseph Bolton, 51, of Green Cove Springs, Fla., was sailing off the coast of St. Augustine, Fla., when his 33-foot sailing vessel collided with a 115-foot barge being towed by the 70-foot Ybor City. Bolton was able to jump on to the barge before being thrown in the water. The crew of the American-flagged Ybor City was unaware that the sailing vessel collided with their barge and spotted Bolton this morning at about 10 a.m. The crew of Ybor City thought that Bolton may have been a stowaway and called Coast Guard rescue coordinators at Sector Jacksonville. The rescue coordinators sent a boarding team to from Coast Guard Station Mayport, Fla., along with a Customs and Border Protection officer to board the barge. The Coast Guard boarding team handcuffed Bolton until they could determine he was not a threat to their safety. *******s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They should've arrested the captain of the tow boat. He violated the Colregs. He should've kept clear of the sailboat. Did you notice how it was reported. Biased like snot in favor of the motor boat. It said the sailboat collided with the barge. Duh! It was the other way around 10 to 1!!!! I bet the tow/barge wasn't showing RAM lights/shapes. That's why you gotta know your rights. People and the reporters will make you look guilty even when your innocent. Cheers, Ellen |
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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote "Joe" wrote U.S. Coast Guard | November 29, 2006 Jacksonville, FL. - The Coast Guard has removed a man found on a barge this morning whose sailing vessel collided with a tug and barge today at about 5a.m. Russell Joseph Bolton, 51, of Green Cove Springs, Fla., was sailing off the coast of St. Augustine, Fla., when his 33-foot sailing vessel collided with a 115-foot barge being towed by the 70-foot Ybor City. Bolton was able to jump on to the barge before being thrown in the water. The crew of the American-flagged Ybor City was unaware that the sailing vessel collided with their barge and spotted Bolton this morning at about 10 a.m. The crew of Ybor City thought that Bolton may have been a stowaway and called Coast Guard rescue coordinators at Sector Jacksonville. The rescue coordinators sent a boarding team to from Coast Guard Station Mayport, Fla., along with a Customs and Border Protection officer to board the barge. The Coast Guard boarding team handcuffed Bolton until they could determine he was not a threat to their safety. *******s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They should've arrested the captain of the tow boat. He violated the Colregs. He should've kept clear of the sailboat. Did you notice how it was reported. Biased like snot in favor of the motor boat. It said the sailboat collided with the barge. Duh! It was the other way around 10 to 1!!!! I bet the tow/barge wasn't showing RAM lights/shapes. That's why you gotta know your rights. People and the reporters will make you look guilty even when your innocent. And another thing..... Was unaware. Duh! What ever happened to keeping a proper lookout? That's strike two! Probably sleeping. Not the sailboat captain. I mean the tow boat captain and crew. Cheers, Ellen |
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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote "Ellen MacArthur" wrote "Joe" wrote U.S. Coast Guard | November 29, 2006 Jacksonville, FL. - The Coast Guard has removed a man found on a barge this morning whose sailing vessel collided with a tug and barge today at about 5a.m. Russell Joseph Bolton, 51, of Green Cove Springs, Fla., was sailing off the coast of St. Augustine, Fla., when his 33-foot sailing vessel collided with a 115-foot barge being towed by the 70-foot Ybor City. Bolton was able to jump on to the barge before being thrown in the water. The crew of the American-flagged Ybor City was unaware that the sailing vessel collided with their barge and spotted Bolton this morning at about 10 a.m. The crew of Ybor City thought that Bolton may have been a stowaway and called Coast Guard rescue coordinators at Sector Jacksonville. The rescue coordinators sent a boarding team to from Coast Guard Station Mayport, Fla., along with a Customs and Border Protection officer to board the barge. The Coast Guard boarding team handcuffed Bolton until they could determine he was not a threat to their safety. *******s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They should've arrested the captain of the tow boat. He violated the Colregs. He should've kept clear of the sailboat. Did you notice how it was reported. Biased like snot in favor of the motor boat. It said the sailboat collided with the barge. Duh! It was the other way around 10 to 1!!!! I bet the tow/barge wasn't showing RAM lights/shapes. That's why you gotta know your rights. People and the reporters will make you look guilty even when your innocent. And another thing..... Was unaware. Duh! What ever happened to keeping a proper lookout? That's strike two! Probably sleeping. Not the sailboat captain. I mean the tow boat captain and crew. I'm getting more horrified all the time. Five hours it took them to see somebody on their barge. So much for keeping a proper lookout. It proves they're negligent. Cheers, Ellen |
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Mooron we need you back, please reply to the silly woma-men.
Ellen MacArthur wrote: "Ellen MacArthur" wrote "Ellen MacArthur" wrote "Joe" wrote U.S. Coast Guard | November 29, 2006 Jacksonville, FL. - The Coast Guard has removed a man found on a barge this morning whose sailing vessel collided with a tug and barge today at about 5a.m. Russell Joseph Bolton, 51, of Green Cove Springs, Fla., was sailing off the coast of St. Augustine, Fla., when his 33-foot sailing vessel collided with a 115-foot barge being towed by the 70-foot Ybor City. Bolton was able to jump on to the barge before being thrown in the water. The crew of the American-flagged Ybor City was unaware that the sailing vessel collided with their barge and spotted Bolton this morning at about 10 a.m. The crew of Ybor City thought that Bolton may have been a stowaway and called Coast Guard rescue coordinators at Sector Jacksonville. The rescue coordinators sent a boarding team to from Coast Guard Station Mayport, Fla., along with a Customs and Border Protection officer to board the barge. The Coast Guard boarding team handcuffed Bolton until they could determine he was not a threat to their safety. *******s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They should've arrested the captain of the tow boat. He violated the Colregs. He should've kept clear of the sailboat. Did you notice how it was reported. Biased like snot in favor of the motor boat. It said the sailboat collided with the barge. Duh! It was the other way around 10 to 1!!!! I bet the tow/barge wasn't showing RAM lights/shapes. That's why you gotta know your rights. People and the reporters will make you look guilty even when your innocent. And another thing..... Was unaware. Duh! What ever happened to keeping a proper lookout? That's strike two! Probably sleeping. Not the sailboat captain. I mean the tow boat captain and crew. I'm getting more horrified all the time. Five hours it took them to see somebody on their barge. So much for keeping a proper lookout. It proves they're negligent. Cheers, Ellen |
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Ellen MacArthur wrote: "Joe" wrote U.S. Coast Guard | November 29, 2006 Jacksonville, FL. - The Coast Guard has removed a man found on a barge this morning whose sailing vessel collided with a tug and barge today at about 5a.m. Russell Joseph Bolton, 51, of Green Cove Springs, Fla., was sailing off the coast of St. Augustine, Fla., when his 33-foot sailing vessel collided with a 115-foot barge being towed by the 70-foot Ybor City. Bolton was able to jump on to the barge before being thrown in the water. The crew of the American-flagged Ybor City was unaware that the sailing vessel collided with their barge and spotted Bolton this morning at about 10 a.m. The crew of Ybor City thought that Bolton may have been a stowaway and called Coast Guard rescue coordinators at Sector Jacksonville. The rescue coordinators sent a boarding team to from Coast Guard Station Mayport, Fla., along with a Customs and Border Protection officer to board the barge. The Coast Guard boarding team handcuffed Bolton until they could determine he was not a threat to their safety. *******s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They should've arrested the captain of the tow boat. He violated the Colregs. He should've kept clear of the sailboat. Did you notice how it was reported. Biased like snot in favor of the motor boat. It said the sailboat collided with the barge. Duh! It was the other way around 10 to 1!!!! I bet the tow/barge wasn't showing RAM lights/shapes. That's why you gotta know your rights. People and the reporters will make you look guilty even when your innocent. Cheers, Ellen I did notice it was biased towards faulting the victim. They handcuff the poor fellow after the towboat sinks his home. Joe |
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Ellen MacArthur wrote: "Ellen MacArthur" wrote "Joe" wrote U.S. Coast Guard | November 29, 2006 Jacksonville, FL. - The Coast Guard has removed a man found on a barge this morning whose sailing vessel collided with a tug and barge today at about 5a.m. Russell Joseph Bolton, 51, of Green Cove Springs, Fla., was sailing off the coast of St. Augustine, Fla., when his 33-foot sailing vessel collided with a 115-foot barge being towed by the 70-foot Ybor City. Bolton was able to jump on to the barge before being thrown in the water. The crew of the American-flagged Ybor City was unaware that the sailing vessel collided with their barge and spotted Bolton this morning at about 10 a.m. The crew of Ybor City thought that Bolton may have been a stowaway and called Coast Guard rescue coordinators at Sector Jacksonville. The rescue coordinators sent a boarding team to from Coast Guard Station Mayport, Fla., along with a Customs and Border Protection officer to board the barge. The Coast Guard boarding team handcuffed Bolton until they could determine he was not a threat to their safety. *******s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They should've arrested the captain of the tow boat. He violated the Colregs. He should've kept clear of the sailboat. Did you notice how it was reported. Biased like snot in favor of the motor boat. It said the sailboat collided with the barge. Duh! It was the other way around 10 to 1!!!! I bet the tow/barge wasn't showing RAM lights/shapes. That's why you gotta know your rights. People and the reporters will make you look guilty even when your innocent. And another thing..... Was unaware. Duh! What ever happened to keeping a proper lookout? That's strike two! Probably sleeping. Not the sailboat captain. I mean the tow boat captain and crew. Unaware was what I found amazing, hence the title. Joe Cheers, Ellen |
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Ellen MacArthur wrote: "Ellen MacArthur" wrote "Ellen MacArthur" wrote "Joe" wrote U.S. Coast Guard | November 29, 2006 Jacksonville, FL. - The Coast Guard has removed a man found on a barge this morning whose sailing vessel collided with a tug and barge today at about 5a.m. Russell Joseph Bolton, 51, of Green Cove Springs, Fla., was sailing off the coast of St. Augustine, Fla., when his 33-foot sailing vessel collided with a 115-foot barge being towed by the 70-foot Ybor City. Bolton was able to jump on to the barge before being thrown in the water. The crew of the American-flagged Ybor City was unaware that the sailing vessel collided with their barge and spotted Bolton this morning at about 10 a.m. The crew of Ybor City thought that Bolton may have been a stowaway and called Coast Guard rescue coordinators at Sector Jacksonville. The rescue coordinators sent a boarding team to from Coast Guard Station Mayport, Fla., along with a Customs and Border Protection officer to board the barge. The Coast Guard boarding team handcuffed Bolton until they could determine he was not a threat to their safety. *******s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They should've arrested the captain of the tow boat. He violated the Colregs. He should've kept clear of the sailboat. Did you notice how it was reported. Biased like snot in favor of the motor boat. It said the sailboat collided with the barge. Duh! It was the other way around 10 to 1!!!! I bet the tow/barge wasn't showing RAM lights/shapes. That's why you gotta know your rights. People and the reporters will make you look guilty even when your innocent. And another thing..... Was unaware. Duh! What ever happened to keeping a proper lookout? That's strike two! Probably sleeping. Not the sailboat captain. I mean the tow boat captain and crew. I'm getting more horrified all the time. Five hours it took them to see somebody on their barge. So much for keeping a proper lookout. It proves they're negligent. I bet the tow company will buy the fellow a new boat and give him 10-50K to shut him up. Joe Cheers, Ellen |
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"Joe" wrote I did notice it was biased towards faulting the victim. They handcuff the poor fellow after the towboat sinks his home. I would've scratched their freaking eyes out.... Cheers, Ellen |
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"Joe" wrote Unaware was what I found amazing, hence the title. Good job, Joe! Did you notice Jeff and Otn have nothing to say about it? Did you notice too how it's always the motor boat's fault every time there's a collision? Then reporters act like sailboaters just go around hitting things. Duh! Cheers, Ellen |
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Mooron we need you back, please reply to the silly woma-men. Ellen MacArthur wrote: "Ellen MacArthur" wrote "Ellen MacArthur" wrote "Joe" wrote U.S. Coast Guard | November 29, 2006 Jacksonville, FL. - The Coast Guard has removed a man found on a barge this morning whose sailing vessel collided with a tug and barge today at about 5a.m. Russell Joseph Bolton, 51, of Green Cove Springs, Fla., was sailing off the coast of St. Augustine, Fla., when his 33-foot sailing vessel collided with a 115-foot barge being towed by the 70-foot Ybor City. Bolton was able to jump on to the barge before being thrown in the water. The crew of the American-flagged Ybor City was unaware that the sailing vessel collided with their barge and spotted Bolton this morning at about 10 a.m. The crew of Ybor City thought that Bolton may have been a stowaway and called Coast Guard rescue coordinators at Sector Jacksonville. The rescue coordinators sent a boarding team to from Coast Guard Station Mayport, Fla., along with a Customs and Border Protection officer to board the barge. The Coast Guard boarding team handcuffed Bolton until they could determine he was not a threat to their safety. *******s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They should've arrested the captain of the tow boat. He violated the Colregs. He should've kept clear of the sailboat. Did you notice how it was reported. Biased like snot in favor of the motor boat. It said the sailboat collided with the barge. Duh! It was the other way around 10 to 1!!!! I bet the tow/barge wasn't showing RAM lights/shapes. That's why you gotta know your rights. People and the reporters will make you look guilty even when your innocent. And another thing..... Was unaware. Duh! What ever happened to keeping a proper lookout? That's strike two! Probably sleeping. Not the sailboat captain. I mean the tow boat captain and crew. I'm getting more horrified all the time. Five hours it took them to see somebody on their barge. So much for keeping a proper lookout. It proves they're negligent. Cheers, Ellen Why would Mooron want to talk to "Ellen"? He's totally hetero... |
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"Joe" wrote: U.S. Coast Guard | November 29, 2006 Jacksonville, FL. - The Coast Guard has removed a man found on a barge this morning whose sailing vessel collided with a tug and barge today at about 5a.m. Was _he_ nekkid too? Seahag |
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Ellen MacArthur wrote: "Joe" wrote Unaware was what I found amazing, hence the title. Good job, Joe! Did you notice Jeff and Otn have nothing to say about it? Did you notice too how it's always the motor boat's fault every time there's a collision? Then reporters act like sailboaters just go around hitting things. Duh! Cheers, Ellen Could have been the sailboats fault. We havent heard the whole story, just one side of it. I can understand how you may not feel the barge take out a little sailboat like a coronado 28 or a Tangerine. It's the 5 hr not knowing someones on a barge that has me scratching my head. Joe |
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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in
reenews.net: *******s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They should've arrested the captain of the tow boat. He violated the Colregs. He should've kept clear of the sailboat. Did you notice how it was reported. Biased like snot in favor of the motor boat. It said the sailboat collided with the barge. Duh! It was the other way around 10 to 1!!!! I bet the tow/barge wasn't showing RAM lights/shapes. That's why you gotta know your rights. People and the reporters will make you look guilty even when your innocent. Cheers, Ellen BG ....and he should have been showing RAM lights....why? otn |
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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in
reenews.net: "Joe" wrote Unaware was what I found amazing, hence the title. Good job, Joe! Did you notice Jeff and Otn have nothing to say about it? Did you notice too how it's always the motor boat's fault every time there's a collision? Then reporters act like sailboaters just go around hitting things. Duh! Cheers, Ellen I can't speak for Jeff, missy, but unlike you, I don't make judgements based on scanty information.....EG....probably why you have so much trouble understanding and applying the "Rules". otn |
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You called Neal missy!!!
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "otnmbrd" wrote in message 25.201... "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in reenews.net: "Joe" wrote Unaware was what I found amazing, hence the title. Good job, Joe! Did you notice Jeff and Otn have nothing to say about it? Did you notice too how it's always the motor boat's fault every time there's a collision? Then reporters act like sailboaters just go around hitting things. Duh! Cheers, Ellen I can't speak for Jeff, missy, but unlike you, I don't make judgements based on scanty information.....EG....probably why you have so much trouble understanding and applying the "Rules". otn |
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On 30 Nov 2006 19:58:54 -0800, "Joe" wrote:
Ellen MacArthur wrote: "Joe" wrote Unaware was what I found amazing, hence the title. Good job, Joe! Did you notice Jeff and Otn have nothing to say about it? Did you notice too how it's always the motor boat's fault every time there's a collision? Then reporters act like sailboaters just go around hitting things. Duh! Cheers, Ellen Could have been the sailboats fault. If it is anything like the coal barges running the Gulf Intercoastal, that is more than likely the case. Probably channel bound with limited ability to manuever even if he knew the sailboat was there. Says "in tow" . Mean pushed or truly in tow? If in tow and the barge hit him, then he was on collusion with the barge to start with, providing the tow train was not turning. If so, why did he not just come about and avoid? Course it could have been that both were in a channel and passing. We havent heard the whole story, just one side of it. I can understand how you may not feel the barge take out a little sailboat like a coronado 28 or a Tangerine. That kind of tonnage differential. Not likely with a 33', however would it not have shown up on radar? It's the 5 hr not knowing someones on a barge that has me scratching my head. Not enough info. Was the guy holed up in a barge compartment or doing calistinics on the deck. Was there fog. Sailing in an area of high barge train traffic, I always relied on "common sense" to make sure I avoided anything using the intercoastal that looked like they needed to be there more than I did. Frank Joe |
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"otnmbrd" wrote BG ....and he should have been showing RAM lights....why? If he was RAM and showing shapes/lights then it was the sailboat's fault for not giving way. If he wasn't RAM it was his fault for not giving way. Sailboats have to keep clear of RAMs but RAMs have to identify themselves so people know what they are. Towboats are motorboats unless they're RAM so they have to keep clear of sailboats. They said it happened off the coast near St. Augustine, FL. That means open water so they can't claim narrow channels and all that shall not impede stuff. If it was in a channel they'd have said it happened in the channel not off the coast. Duh. If you ever sailed a little sailboat you'd know we spend most of our time looking for and worrying about motorboats hitting us. Sailboats just don't go around hitting things. For one thing it's hard to hit things. We go so slow. Even if you try to hit a motorboat it's not that easy to do..... Be honest now. Don't you think the reporting made it sound like the sailboat was in the wrong? How's about some fair and balanced once in a while. A man gets run down by a tow boat barge and then gets treated like a criminal. He lost his boat and coulda lost his life. Where's the justice? Cheers, Ellen |
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There's gonna be trouble now! Hahahahaha!
Seahag "Capt. JG" wrote: You called Neal missy!!! "otnmbrd" wrote: I can't speak for Jeff, missy, but unlike you, I don't make judgements based on scanty information.....EG....probably why you have so much trouble understanding and applying the "Rules". otn |
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Frank Boettcher wrote: On 30 Nov 2006 19:58:54 -0800, "Joe" wrote: Ellen MacArthur wrote: "Joe" wrote Unaware was what I found amazing, hence the title. Good job, Joe! Did you notice Jeff and Otn have nothing to say about it? Did you notice too how it's always the motor boat's fault every time there's a collision? Then reporters act like sailboaters just go around hitting things. Duh! Cheers, Ellen Could have been the sailboats fault. If it is anything like the coal barges running the Gulf Intercoastal, that is more than likely the case. Probably channel bound with limited ability to manuever even if he knew the sailboat was there. Says "in tow" . Mean pushed or truly in tow? If in tow and the barge hit him, then he was on collusion with the barge to start with, providing the tow train was not turning. If so, why did he not just come about and avoid? Course it could have been that both were in a channel and passing. We havent heard the whole story, just one side of it. I can understand how you may not feel the barge take out a little sailboat like a coronado 28 or a Tangerine. That kind of tonnage differential. Not likely with a 33', however would it not have shown up on radar? It's the 5 hr not knowing someones on a barge that has me scratching my head. Not enough info. Was the guy holed up in a barge compartment or doing calistinics on the deck. Was there fog. Sailing in an area of high barge train traffic, I always relied on "common sense" to make sure I avoided anything using the intercoastal that looked like they needed to be there more than I did. Frank With what little info we have... I'd say it was an offshore barge towing astern on a hawser. A 70ft tug is overkill of a 110' barge on the ICW, bout right offshore. If he were in the ditch he would have been pushing. And he would have noticed hitting the boat as it compressed into the mud with that small of a barge, and he would have to pay enough attention to not ground the boat and IMO would see a sailboat. I think either the guy sailed right into the hawser astern, got dragged to the barge, or he was overtaken and the same thing happened offshore. Sounds to me like the tug and barge were on a gravy run and became lazy and complacent. Joe Joe |
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On the issue of reporting..... we all know that the accuracy of most news reports is highly suspect and generally based on how the reporter perceives or wishes an item to be perceived, so, hence why it's always best to wait before commenting.... As for sailboats hitting stuff.....bull.... many sailboats are capable of speeds and maneuvers, above what some slug powerboats ever thought of. Personally, I go around worrying what any "vessel" is apt to be doing and whether it may hit me. Concerning the guy being handcuffed..... considering the post 9/11 security crap now in place on commercial vessels and frame of mind of those in "homeland security" regarding anything out of the ordinary....those actions don't surprise me at all. otn "Ellen MacArthur" wrote in reenews.net: "otnmbrd" wrote BG ....and he should have been showing RAM lights....why? If he was RAM and showing shapes/lights then it was the sailboat's fault for not giving way. If he wasn't RAM it was his fault for not giving way. Sailboats have to keep clear of RAMs but RAMs have to identify themselves so people know what they are. Towboats are motorboats unless they're RAM so they have to keep clear of sailboats. They said it happened off the coast near St. Augustine, FL. That means open water so they can't claim narrow channels and all that shall not impede stuff. If it was in a channel they'd have said it happened in the channel not off the coast. Duh. If you ever sailed a little sailboat you'd know we spend most of our time looking for and worrying about motorboats hitting us. Sailboats just don't go around hitting things. For one thing it's hard to hit things. We go so slow. Even if you try to hit a motorboat it's not that easy to do..... Be honest now. Don't you think the reporting made it sound like the sailboat was in the wrong? How's about some fair and balanced once in a while. A man gets run down by a tow boat barge and then gets treated like a criminal. He lost his boat and coulda lost his life. Where's the justice? Cheers, Ellen |
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Trouble in River City...
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Seahag" wrote in message ... There's gonna be trouble now! Hahahahaha! Seahag "Capt. JG" wrote: You called Neal missy!!! "otnmbrd" wrote: I can't speak for Jeff, missy, but unlike you, I don't make judgements based on scanty information.....EG....probably why you have so much trouble understanding and applying the "Rules". otn |
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"Joe" wrote U.S. Coast Guard | November 29, 2006 Jacksonville, FL. - The Coast Guard has removed a man found on a barge this morning whose sailing vessel collided with a tug and barge today at about 5a.m. I found pictures and a video he https://www.piersystem.com/go/doc/586/138475/ No RAM dayshapes on the towboat just like I thought. Not in channel just like I thought. Towboat at fault just like I thought.... Cheers, Ellen |
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Ellen MacArthur wrote: "Joe" wrote U.S. Coast Guard | November 29, 2006 Jacksonville, FL. - The Coast Guard has removed a man found on a barge this morning whose sailing vessel collided with a tug and barge today at about 5a.m. I found pictures and a video he https://www.piersystem.com/go/doc/586/138475/ No RAM dayshapes on the towboat just like I thought. Not in channel just like I thought. Towboat at fault just like I thought.... Cheers, Ellen So Ellen who's to blame if the sailor T-boned the tow line behind the tug if the tug had proper running lights? Joe |
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"Joe" wrote So Ellen who's to blame if the sailor T-boned the tow line behind the tug if the tug had proper running lights? If the tugboat and barge had proper lights it's still their fault. Colregs require them to give way to the sailboat. But the sailboat needs to have proper lights too so it can be seen. Who knows if it did. Some sailboats turn off their lights offshore. The sailboat is entitled by the rules to be the stand-on vessel. But, if the sailboat hit the hawser cable he shouldn't have because the rules say he should avoid a collision if the give way towboat/barge wasn't giving way. When they go to court and court assigns percentage of blame, the towboat/barge gets 90% blame and the sailboat gets 10% blame. The sailboat would get all the blame if the towboat/barge was RAM but you can see in the picture it wasn't. Cheers, Ellen |
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