"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
OzOne wrote:
A trap that many westerners fall into.
Because the Arabic states are sand....it doesn't mean that the people
are any less capable than anyone else.

Those "ragheads" dress the way they do because they're smart....


I don't think they're stupid at all. In fact I think they are very
intelligent and subtle, and in the Big Game of realpolitik they have
outplayed the West for years.

OTOH I don't think they have anybody with the knowledge & experience to
make any meaningful analysis of watching carrier flight deck ops. As
Gilligan says, they flew F-14s.... decades ago, and not off carriers... I
bet there's nobody from the Shah's military left. That's not saying
they're stupid, that's saying that they just don't have carriers or people
who are experienced naval aviation intel specialists.

DSK


One year ago Iranian agents caught buying parts for F-14:

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/new...p?storyid=1861

More on Iranian F-14's:

http://www.amazon.com/Iranian-Tomcat.../dp/1841767875

Russia upgrades Iranian F-14's:

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/planes/q0077.shtml

Iranian F-14 crashes during training in 2004:

http://www.spacewar.com/2004/040621123352.qir2y8ys.html

Video of Iranian F-14 flying dated Sept 8, 2006:

http://www.murdoconline.net/archives/004125.html

Note it is modified to carry upgraded missiles.

Link to satellite photo of operational Iranian F-14 on ground:

http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=3187


Iranian pilots were trained by the US at Miramar NAS. They do not need to
know intimate details of American carrier operations. All they need to know
is how to sink one.

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
And why would they launch more fighters when they always
have a CAP
overhead?


"Gilligan"
The CAP flies a 200 mile radius, it's not overhead.


"Scotty" wrote
It flies underhead?


Underhanded


Gilligan wrote:
At 200 miles they are over the horizon and below you.


And only minutes away.

20 seconds to execute turn, 200 miles at 600 mph = 20 minutes, 30 seconds to
decelerate, we're looking at 21 minutes.

Even at 1200 mph we're looking at 12 minutes not counting time to acquire
target. The carrier plane guard is to keep planes out, it is not too
responsive to planes on top of the carrier.



As well the question, how is a slow drone going to penetrate the CAP
radius? Does it drop in from outer space, directly above the carrier? Or
does it materialze from another space-time continuum?


Iran has biplanes?



No, just toy airplanes with the capability to fly undetected over
American aircraft carriers for 20 minutes and then evade aircraft without
getting shot down.


I'm telling you, they have time travel.

I think it is the flying carpets.



DSK

Gilligan wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

How's about the Phalanx
.
A "last line of defense" for ships, the Phalanx is a rapid-fire,
computer-controlled radar and 20-millimeter gun system that can
automatically track and destroy close-range enemy threats such as
low-flying cruise missiles, small boats and helicopters. Since 1979,
more than 850 Phalanx systems have been built and deployed in the
navies of 22 allied nations, Raytheon says.

Firing 3,000 to 4,500 armor-piercing rounds per minute, the Phalanx was
battle-tested by the British during the Falklands War. The advanced
Phalanx 1B version includes advanced Forward Looking Infrared (FLIR)
and beefier gun barrels.


http://eightiesclub.tripod.com/id344.htm

Yeah, it was the iranians plot, and fault.

http://www.navybook.com/nohigherhonor/



First you have to turn the Phalanx on. It has a warm up time.

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/...be-phalanx.jpg

Maybe in antarticia, but the radar is allready scanning in CIC. You
would think it would be ideal for drones, true they are an under used
weapon but I here the Army is mounting them on trailors and setting
them up to take out mortar rounds in Iraq. Only problem is the huge
coulds of AP rounds have to land somewhere.

Watch and listen(headphones cranked up), takes a few seconds for the
sound to reach these good ol boys. Sounds like dragons roaring.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESw9gqQnJ_0

Joe

"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...

Gilligan wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

How's about the Phalanx
.
A "last line of defense" for ships, the Phalanx is a rapid-fire,
computer-controlled radar and 20-millimeter gun system that can
automatically track and destroy close-range enemy threats such as
low-flying cruise missiles, small boats and helicopters. Since 1979,
more than 850 Phalanx systems have been built and deployed in the
navies of 22 allied nations, Raytheon says.

Firing 3,000 to 4,500 armor-piercing rounds per minute, the Phalanx was
battle-tested by the British during the Falklands War. The advanced
Phalanx 1B version includes advanced Forward Looking Infrared (FLIR)
and beefier gun barrels.


http://eightiesclub.tripod.com/id344.htm

Yeah, it was the iranians plot, and fault.

http://www.navybook.com/nohigherhonor/



First you have to turn the Phalanx on. It has a warm up time.

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/...be-phalanx.jpg

Maybe in antarticia, but the radar is allready scanning in CIC. You
would think it would be ideal for drones, true they are an under used
weapon but I here the Army is mounting them on trailors and setting
them up to take out mortar rounds in Iraq. Only problem is the huge
coulds of AP rounds have to land somewhere.

Watch and listen(headphones cranked up), takes a few seconds for the
sound to reach these good ol boys. Sounds like dragons roaring.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESw9gqQnJ_0

Joe


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_CIWS

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/weaps/mk-15.htm

The radar on the Phalanx operates independent of CIC. The Phalanx is
intended to be an automatic defense system as reaction time for incoming
missiles is very short. Recent upgrades to the system do allow for targeting
control from CIC. Running the system continuously increases the maintenance
costs and the mandatory down time of the system. Most ships only turn on the
system when necessary.

It is unfortunate that you spent your naval career aboard such a low
priority target that it wasn't even considered for a Phalanx system, let
alone any gun system that required a fixed mount.

OzOne wrote:
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 07:45:07 -0500, "Scotty"
scribbled thusly:

Yes, but, we have ''the big one''.

That's why everyone else wants one now.
After Shrubs performance..they don't trust you.

Well thats pretty stupid and dangerious.

It's this way..The N. Korea Gomer who digs Elvis sunglasses and punk
haircuts has a .22. He is aming it at 100 marines all with .50 cal
machine guns.

BTW Gomer is starving his people so he can buy a .22 cal saturday night
special to aim at us.

Unless he spends all his people wealth for the next 100 years he will
have no chance of survival if he pulls the trigger....he and all his
people will be dead.

And you do not trust Bush.

Next we have an ugly Sonny Bono look alike with a shortman complex. He
says the holocaust (Thats were the Nazis murdered all thoses people)
was made up and did not happen. He says he is going to wipe out Isreal
as they have not right to exist.

And you worry about Bush.

Brainwashed you are.

Better tell your women to wear scarves from head to toe...dont want
them causing crime now do we?

Joe





Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,
We've been expecting you.

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

DSK wrote:
Gilligan wrote:

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4584




That certainly carries the ring of truth: "scrambling" a
helicopter for an air intercept.

DSK

It don't ring ****..The Ronald Regan was in San Deigo, she just left
port the 9th for fleet operations.


Nope. January 4 - July 6, 2006: Maiden deployment to western Pacific and
Persian Gulf.

http://www.navysite.de/cvn/cvn76.html Source.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

DSK wrote:
Gilligan wrote:

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4584




That certainly carries the ring of truth: "scrambling" a
helicopter for an air intercept.

DSK

It don't ring ****..The Ronald Regan was in San Deigo, she just left
port the 9th for fleet operations.


Nope. January 4 - July 6, 2006: Maiden deployment to western Pacific and
Persian Gulf.

http://www.navysite.de/cvn/cvn76.html Source.

Eisboch

Eisboch she returned to Port July 6th...just how did an Iranian drone
take pictures of her in November in the Persian Gulf?

Joe

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Eisboch wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

DSK wrote:
Gilligan wrote:

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4584




That certainly carries the ring of truth: "scrambling" a
helicopter for an air intercept.

DSK

It don't ring ****..The Ronald Regan was in San Deigo, she just left
port the 9th for fleet operations.


Nope. January 4 - July 6, 2006: Maiden deployment to western Pacific
and
Persian Gulf.

http://www.navysite.de/cvn/cvn76.html Source.

Eisboch

Eisboch she returned to Port July 6th...just how did an Iranian drone
take pictures of her in November in the Persian Gulf?

Joe


The date of the Iranian "report" is May 30, 2006.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Eisboch wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

DSK wrote:
Gilligan wrote:

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4584




That certainly carries the ring of truth: "scrambling" a
helicopter for an air intercept.

DSK

It don't ring ****..The Ronald Regan was in San Deigo, she just left
port the 9th for fleet operations.


Nope. January 4 - July 6, 2006: Maiden deployment to western Pacific
and
Persian Gulf.

http://www.navysite.de/cvn/cvn76.html Source.

Eisboch

Eisboch she returned to Port July 6th...just how did an Iranian drone
take pictures of her in November in the Persian Gulf?

Joe


The date of the Iranian "report" is May 30, 2006.


You need to read the original article Gilligan posted. Only time
mentioned was "end of recent war games" .

Joe

Eisboch