Kerry's Joke
 

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
It's almost impossible to turn on the radio, surf the net, open a
newspaper or watch TV without hearing about John Kerry's "joke." But
it's just as impossible to hear what John Kerry actually said, in
context. All you can find is the part that Karl Rove wants you to
hear.

All right, Karl Rove !!! Keep up the good work.

Isn't it interesting how so many prominent Democrats demanded Kerry's
apology.
Personally I don't see why he apologized, if he meant what he said.

Max

Kerry's Joke
 

Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 05:16:08 GMT, "Maxprop" wrote:


"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
.. .
It's almost impossible to turn on the radio, surf the net, open a
newspaper or watch TV without hearing about John Kerry's "joke." But
it's just as impossible to hear what John Kerry actually said, in
context. All you can find is the part that Karl Rove wants you to
hear.

All right, Karl Rove !!! Keep up the good work.

Isn't it interesting how so many prominent Democrats demanded Kerry's
apology.

No. The Democratic party is made up of people who think for themselves. They are
not a mindless herd like the Republicans.

Personally I don't see why he apologized, if he meant what he said.


He didn't apologoze for what he said. He apologized to anyone who was stupid
enough to misstake what he said as an affront to the troops. In other words,
"I'm sorry you are an idiot".

Max


CWM

If anybody else had said this, we would believe him about his botched
joke. However, Kerry has made a habit of insulting US troops so
anybody who has followed what he has said in the past realizes he
really meant to be insulting to the troops. C. Morgan can try to spin
this any way he likes but Kerry's past has caught up with him.
The Democrats, true to form think everybody else is too stupid to make
the connections with what Kerry said in the past with what he says
today. Perhaps it is because Dems do not learn from the past. If that
is the case, who is stupid? The Dems lose due to their arrogance and
they seem to not be able to figure this out. Many Dems actually say
that they are glad that soldiers get killed because the soldiers are
stupid and then they blame us for regarding what they say as relevant.
Making the same mistakes over and over surely isnt a sign of
intelligence but the Dems have embraced the same failed ideas for
decades and seem to have no new ideas. lacking neew ideas they now
embrace dictatorships and ant-semitism as marks of their intelligence.

This election really isnt about the individual running for election, it
is about the failed philosophy of the Dem lefties vs the attempts of
the Bush admin to do the difficult task of trying to spread democracy.
Sometimes you fail when trying to do the right thing, however, that is
better than the Dem tactic of doing nothing or doing the wrong thing.

Kerry's Joke
 

wrote in message
ups.com...


This election really isnt about the individual running for election, it
is about the failed philosophy of the Dem lefties

Kerry's Joke
 

" wrote:
Many Dems actually say
that they are glad that soldiers get killed because the soldiers are
stupid and then they blame us for regarding what they say as relevant.


You can of course substantiate this claim? Hmm, didn't think so. How
much of the rest of what you write is pure fabrication, %100?

Cheers
Marty

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Kerry's Joke
 

Actually some Democrats want the killing in war as a means to decrease human
population and make the world more sustainable. They view it as a delayed
abortion.

Kerry's Joke
 

He didn't apologoze for what he said. He apologized to anyone who was
stupid
enough to misstake what he said as an affront to the troops. In other
words,
"I'm sorry you are an idiot".

So if I write: "You know, education, if you make the most of it, if
you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be
smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck as a
Democrat," it shouldn't offend dems at all because I was insulting the
fact they ask you to register under a party in order to vote. -- And
according to the statement above, if a dem is offended, he could be an
idiot! ;)

Kerry's Joke
 

SMACK-DOWN!!!!!


"Dak" wrote in message
oups.com...
He didn't apologoze for what he said. He apologized to anyone who was
stupid
enough to misstake what he said as an affront to the troops. In other
words,
"I'm sorry you are an idiot".

So if I write: "You know, education, if you make the most of it, if
you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be
smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck as a
Democrat," it shouldn't offend dems at all because I was insulting the
fact they ask you to register under a party in order to vote. -- And
according to the statement above, if a dem is offended, he could be an
idiot! ;)

Kerry's Joke
 

On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 11:33:57 -0500, Martin Baxter wrote:

" wrote:
Many Dems actually say
that they are glad that soldiers get killed because the soldiers are
stupid and then they blame us for regarding what they say as relevant.


You can of course substantiate this claim? Hmm, didn't think so. How
much of the rest of what you write is pure fabrication, %100?

Let it go, he's on a roll, damn the facts. dbohara probably wouldn't be
interested our leadership that actually served in the military, but you
might be. Republicans *talk* a good line.

http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html

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Hitler saw more combat than Bush!


"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 11:33:57 -0500, Martin Baxter wrote:

" wrote:
Many Dems actually say
that they are glad that soldiers get killed because the soldiers are
stupid and then they blame us for regarding what they say as relevant.


You can of course substantiate this claim? Hmm, didn't think so. How
much of the rest of what you write is pure fabrication, %100?

Let it go, he's on a roll, damn the facts. dbohara probably wouldn't be
interested our leadership that actually served in the military, but you
might be. Republicans *talk* a good line.

http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html

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Based on the above, you are an idiot.
CWM

Really? That surprises me since I was using Democratic thought
processes. Anyway shrug.... I guess you've changed your mind about
dfending Kerry's comments too... the guy really did put his foot in it
huh? ;)

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Dak wrote:

Based on the above, you are an idiot.
CWM

Really? That surprises me since I was using Democratic thought
processes.

No, you were using what you *imagine* is Democratic thought processes,
but as you are unfamaliar with actual Democrats or actual thought, you
are way off base.

You know, if you were a little smarter, it wouldn't come as so much of a
surprise that people think you are an idiot.


Anyway shrug.... I guess you've changed your mind about
dfending Kerry's comments too... the guy really did put his foot in it
huh? ;)

Are you from Wisconsin dairy country? 'Cause they're the only people
I've ever encountered who can milk something so thoroughly.

//Walt

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Walt writes:

No, you were using what you *imagine* is Democratic thought
processes,
but as you are unfamaliar with actual Democrats or actual thought, you
are way off base.

I know a lot about hate. I know the argument you're making on Kerry's
bashing Bush with a statement that in no way looks like it could
possibley be is based on the hate that we should assume Dems feel for
Republicans.

You know, if you were a little smarter, it wouldn't come as so much
of a
surprise that people think you are an idiot.

A Dem called me an idiot because evidently he couldn't come up with
anything better. Really though, I don't mind too much, I mean if the
United States Military is full of uneducated people, I'm in damn good
company

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Dak wrote:

I know a lot about hate. I know the argument you're making on Kerry's
bashing Bush with a statement that in no way looks like it could
possibley be is based on the hate that we should assume Dems feel for
Republicans.

Man, that's positively post-modern. Jaques Derrida would be proud.

I mean, I could't diagram that sentence even if you threatened me with
Vegamite.

//Walt

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In article . com,
wrote:
This election really isnt about the individual running for election, it
is about the failed philosophy of the Dem lefties vs the attempts of
the Bush admin to do the difficult task of trying to spread democracy.
Sometimes you fail when trying to do the right thing, however, that is
better than the Dem tactic of doing nothing or doing the wrong thing.

Spreading democracy by invading a country that didn't have anything to
do with 9/11, but claiming that that country was involved, then
screwing up the occupation to the point of making the situation even
worse is not a good model. The Dem's "failed" policy had Saddam
contained, with no real threat to our country. The Dem's "failed"
policy in N. Korea, was something Colin Powell and Rice _endorced_ at
the beginning of the Bush Admin., which was then rejected by Bushco
because they believed that *anything* Clinton did was bad. Stupid is
as stupid does.




--
Capt. JG @@
www.sailnow.com

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Lol!!! Never said you'd like what I wrote Walt. Didn't expect you to. ;)

Kerry's Joke
 

Dave wrote:
Walt said:
Dak wrote:


I know the argument you're making on Kerry's
bashing Bush with a statement that in no way looks like it could
possibley be is based on the hate that we should assume Dems feel for
Republicans.

Man, that's positively post-modern. Jaques Derrida would be proud.

I mean, I could't diagram that sentence even if you threatened me with
Vegamite.

Your study of grammar stopped too early. Remove Walt's extraneous "is" in
his penultimate line, and try again. It's a complex sentence, but at least
grammatically correct with that change.

Fair enough. But if you're going to allow Dak to remove extraneous
state-of-being verbs, maybe one ought to allow Kerry to ex-post facto
insert the missing pronoun? i.e. "...you wind up getting US stuck in Iraq."

Or allow the substitution of "Dak" for "Walt" in your post, which is
obviously what you meant.

Which is to say that we all mis-speak from time to time; the fact that a
simple misstatement brings down the full fury of the wing-nut-o-sphere
indicates something about them, and it ain't charitable.

This little kurfuffle acts quite well as a screen to see if someone is
reasonable and thoughtful, or whether they just knee-jerk react to the
noise machine. Congratulations for passing, Dave. Respect is earned.

//Walt

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Dave wrote:
On 3 Nov 2006 15:40:02 -0600, Dave said:

Remove Walt's extraneous

Should, of course, have said "Remove Dak's extraneous..."


ZOMFG!!! CALL OUT THE DOGS! DAVE HAS MISQUOTED ME!! HE OBVIOUSLY MEANT
THIS AS A SLUR ON THE TROOPS! I DEMAND AN APPOLOGY!!

(c:

//Walt

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Dave would never insult the troops. He should apologize anyway, however, in
case someone out there thinks he did.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Walt" wrote in message
...
Dave wrote:
On 3 Nov 2006 15:40:02 -0600, Dave said:

Remove Walt's extraneous

Should, of course, have said "Remove Dak's extraneous..."


ZOMFG!!! CALL OUT THE DOGS! DAVE HAS MISQUOTED ME!! HE OBVIOUSLY MEANT
THIS AS A SLUR ON THE TROOPS! I DEMAND AN APPOLOGY!!

(c:

//Walt

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Capt. JG wrote:

Dave would never insult the troops. He should apologize anyway, however, in
case someone out there thinks he did.


I agree. Of course, if he does appologize, someone should come along
and give him a hard time for it. Especially if he doesn't actually
admit to insulting the troops, which he probably won't.

And if he *does* admit to insulting the troops, well, look out Nelly!


//Walt

Kerry's Joke
 

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 05:16:08 GMT, "Maxprop" wrote:


"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
. ..
It's almost impossible to turn on the radio, surf the net, open a
newspaper or watch TV without hearing about John Kerry's "joke." But
it's just as impossible to hear what John Kerry actually said, in
context. All you can find is the part that Karl Rove wants you to
hear.

All right, Karl Rove !!! Keep up the good work.

Isn't it interesting how so many prominent Democrats demanded Kerry's
apology.

No. The Democratic party is made up of people who think for themselves.
They are
not a mindless herd like the Republicans.

Personally I don't see why he apologized, if he meant what he said.


He didn't apologoze for what he said. He apologized to anyone who was
stupid
enough to misstake what he said as an affront to the troops. In other
words,
"I'm sorry you are an idiot".

Interesting spin. I guess Hillary and Harry Reid are idiots, as far as
Kerry was concerned.

Max

Kerry's Joke
 

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On 3 Nov 2006 10:19:44 -0800, "Dak" wrote:

He didn't apologoze for what he said. He apologized to anyone who was
stupid
enough to misstake what he said as an affront to the troops. In other
words,
"I'm sorry you are an idiot".

So if I write: "You know, education, if you make the most of it, if
you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be
smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck as a
Democrat," it shouldn't offend dems at all because I was insulting the
fact they ask you to register under a party in order to vote. -- And
according to the statement above, if a dem is offended, he could be an
idiot! ;)

Based on the above, you are an idiot.

Liberal debating technique at its finest.

Max

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Walt writes:

I agree. Of course, if he does appologize, someone should come along

and give him a hard time for it. Especially if he doesn't actually
admit to insulting the troops, which he probably won't.

And if he *does* admit to insulting the troops, well, look out Nelly!


Wait... I thought Kerry already admited to it. Sigh... Anyway check out
the below web link.

"During a Vietnam-era run for Congress three decades ago, John Kerry
said he opposed a volunteer Army because it would be dominated by the
underprivileged, be less accountable and be more prone to "the
perpetuation of war crimes."

Link: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20061102/D8L4QH580.html

I'm not saying anything about Kerry thinking a drafted military is the
way to go but it looks like he *might* have an issue with the type of
people in a volunteer military.

Kerry's Joke
 

Dave wrote:
On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 17:00:34 -0500, Walt said:

Fair enough. But if you're going to allow Dak to remove extraneous
state-of-being verbs, maybe one ought to allow Kerry to ex-post facto
insert the missing pronoun? i.e. "...you wind up getting US stuck in Iraq."

The Dems are trying that one. I see that today they published his text as he
intended to say it.

Or allow the substitution of "Dak" for "Walt" in your post, which is
obviously what you meant.

Which is to say that we all mis-speak from time to time; the fact that a
simple misstatement brings down the full fury of the wing-nut-o-sphere
indicates something about them, and it ain't charitable.

This little kurfuffle acts quite well as a screen to see if someone is
reasonable and thoughtful, or whether they just knee-jerk react to the
noise machine. Congratulations for passing, Dave. Respect is earned.

Thank you, and well spoke.

Lets all end it here and go back to talking about sailin. Fer gods
sake, I'll even discuss "Ellen MaCarthurs" fake pics over this.

Kerry's Joke
 

If he apologizes we can blame Kerry.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Walt" wrote in message
...
Capt. JG wrote:

Dave would never insult the troops. He should apologize anyway, however,
in case someone out there thinks he did.


I agree. Of course, if he does appologize, someone should come along and
give him a hard time for it. Especially if he doesn't actually admit to
insulting the troops, which he probably won't.

And if he *does* admit to insulting the troops, well, look out Nelly!


//Walt

Kerry's Joke
 

Liberal debating technique at its finest.

Max

I know Max. Aren't they dumb? g

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Actually, Rice did it

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 3 Nov 2006 16:14:21 -0800, "Capt. JG"
said:

If he apologizes we can blame Kerry.

I have every confidence, Jon, that you'd come up with a creative way to
blame the President, the Vice President or the Secretary of Defense.

Kerry's Joke
 

"John Kerrysaid he opposed a volunteer Army because it would be
dominated by the
underprivileged, be less accountable and be more prone to "the
perpetuation of war crimes."

Yes, and if you put the two letter word "us" back into Kerry's speech
as it was
originally written, all the hand wringing Republicans look like the
blindered
idiots they are.

CWM

Um yeah... what Charles said.

It was fun today guys - being in the presence of such intellect. Who
knows if I think it over tonight I might decide to change parties and
then I can come back tomorrow and start calling people idiots, making
derogatory remarks and wanting Kerry in as president in 2008... I mean
as opposed to wanting him to run in 2008 that is...

Kerry's Joke
 

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 22:32:22 GMT, "Maxprop" wrote:


"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
. ..
On 3 Nov 2006 10:19:44 -0800, "Dak" wrote:

He didn't apologoze for what he said. He apologized to anyone who was
stupid
enough to misstake what he said as an affront to the troops. In other
words,
"I'm sorry you are an idiot".

So if I write: "You know, education, if you make the most of it, if
you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be
smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck as a
Democrat," it shouldn't offend dems at all because I was insulting the
fact they ask you to register under a party in order to vote. -- And
according to the statement above, if a dem is offended, he could be an
idiot! ;)

Based on the above, you are an idiot.

Liberal debating technique at its finest.

Max


Is that the best you can come up with? I made a point, and it was
obviously
correct to any honest person. That may exclude you.

Referring to Dak (whomever that may be) as an idiot is what I was referring
to. You lash out with ad hominem attacks whenever someone disagrees with
your argument. You've done so from the inception of your time in this NG,
so nothing is particularly surprising about it. As a debating technique,
however, it lacks credibility, but is a commonplace technique used by the
left when their opponents fail to see things 'their way,' so I've noticed.

Your assessment of Kerry's comment is spot on, actually. He was attacking
Bush, not the troops. But he stupidly opened mouth and inserted foot, as he
is wont to do, by not thinking about how such a comment would be removed
from context and misinterpreted by the spinmeisters on the other side. I do
believe he maintains continuing antipathy toward things military, but that
had nothing to do with this comment.

Max

Kerry's Joke
 

"Dak" wrote in message
oups.com...
Liberal debating technique at its finest.

Max

I know Max. Aren't they dumb? g

Not sure I'd go so far as to call them "dumb," but they do lack sound
debating ability when faced with divergence from their opinions. In other
words, they are like spoiled children.

Max

Kerry's Joke
 

wrote in message
oups.com...

Lets all end it here and go back to talking about sailin. Fer gods
sake, I'll even discuss "Ellen MaCarthurs" fake pics over this.

Do you have more of them? Does "she?" Does anyone? Please . . .?

Max

Kerry's Joke
 

Dak wrote:
"John Kerrysaid he opposed a volunteer Army because it would be
dominated by the
underprivileged, be less accountable and be more prone to "the
perpetuation of war crimes."

Your response is intellectually dishonest for two reasons:

1) It's not a direct quote from Kerry, but a paraphrase from who knows
where. Cite? Is this from one of the usual kook-sites you get all
your other talking points from?

2) That was not the quote in question. Not even close. You are
bringing up a "quote" from *1970* and trying to foist it off as the
one in question. That's dishonest.

For the record, the actual prepared remarks that Kerry was supposed to
say we

"Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't
smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck
in a war in Iraq. Just ask President Bush."

It was a dig on Bush. And an accurate one.


// Walt

Kerry's Joke
 

Maxprop wrote:

"Dak" wrote in message

Not sure I'd go so far as to call them "dumb," but they do lack sound
debating ability when faced with divergence from their opinions. In other
words, they are like spoiled children.

You mean sound debating techniques like calling their opponents
"spoiled children".

Thank you for providing this morning's dose of irony. I think it will
be enough to last the entire day.


// Walt

Kerry's Joke
 

"Walt" wrote in message
...
Dak wrote:
"John Kerrysaid he opposed a volunteer Army because it would be
dominated by the
underprivileged, be less accountable and be more prone to "the
perpetuation of war crimes."

Your response is intellectually dishonest for two reasons:

1) It's not a direct quote from Kerry, but a paraphrase from who knows
where. Cite? Is this from one of the usual kook-sites you get all your
other talking points from?

2) That was not the quote in question. Not even close. You are bringing
up a "quote" from *1970* and trying to foist it off as the one in
question. That's dishonest.

For the record, the actual prepared remarks that Kerry was supposed to say
we

"Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't
smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck
in a war in Iraq. Just ask President Bush."


But is this a direct quote from Kerry? What is your source? Hopefully not
one of those Democrat talking point kook sites.


It was a dig on Bush. And an accurate one.


// Walt

Kerry's Joke
 

"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Dak" wrote in message
oups.com...
Liberal debating technique at its finest.

Max

I know Max. Aren't they dumb? g

Not sure I'd go so far as to call them "dumb," but they do lack sound
debating ability when faced with divergence from their opinions. In other
words, they are like spoiled children.

No, it is the lack of tolerance.

Kerry's Joke
 

"Walt" wrote in message
...
Maxprop wrote:

"Dak" wrote in message

Not sure I'd go so far as to call them "dumb," but they do lack sound
debating ability when faced with divergence from their opinions. In
other words, they are like spoiled children.

You mean sound debating techniques like calling their opponents "spoiled
children".

I wasn't debating Dak.

Thank you for providing this morning's dose of irony. I think it will be
enough to last the entire day.

Damn glad to be of service, Walt. Hope I made your day a better one.

Max

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"Gilligan" wrote in message
. ..

"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Dak" wrote in message
oups.com...
Liberal debating technique at its finest.

Max

I know Max. Aren't they dumb? g

Not sure I'd go so far as to call them "dumb," but they do lack sound
debating ability when faced with divergence from their opinions. In
other words, they are like spoiled children.

No, it is the lack of tolerance.

Most of the spoiled children I've had the displeasure to experience have
been patently intolerant.

Max

Kerry's Joke
 

Maxprop wrote:
"Dak" wrote in message
oups.com...
Liberal debating technique at its finest.

Max

I know Max. Aren't they dumb? g

Not sure I'd go so far as to call them "dumb," but they do lack sound
debating ability when faced with divergence from their opinions. In other
words, they are like spoiled children.

Wouldn't say it was confined to liberals - unless you class Joe as a
liberal, that is.

PDW

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wrote in



If anybody else had said this, we would believe him about
his botched
joke. However, Kerry has made a habit of insulting US
troops so
anybody who has followed what he has said in the past
realizes he
really meant to be insulting to the troops. C. Morgan can
try to spin
this any way he likes but Kerry's past has caught up with
him.


A little bit like when ''C Morgan '' wished death to 'Ol
Thom, no?