cruisin wrote:
On Nov 1, 1:15 am, OzOne wrote:
On 1 Nov 2006 00:33:09 -0800, "cruisin"
scribbled thusly:



On Oct 31, 11:53 pm, OzOne wrote:
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:56:37 -0800, (Thom Stewart)
scribbled thusly:

The Staysail on the Mizzen Mast is often called a Mizzen Runner.Well done Thom....There are sailors and old sailors...

Well, maybe so, but on my ketch, the mizzen runners are running
backstays,You have runners on the mizzen?
Jesus..how tall is that stick?

Not that tall, but there isn't much aft angle on the uppers or lowers,
so it needs more aft support on a broad reach and especially if
carrying the mizzen staysail.


and the staysail forward would be called a spinnaker
staysail,Spinnaker staysail?
Never heard the term.....

Not too common these days, but used to be before the days of Bloopers
and Tallboys.

Where do you fly tis sail? off the forestay like a wire luffed assym?

Was set flying, tacked inside the headstay, halyard was about the
height of the (pole) topping lift. Yes, wire luff, cut full. I carry
one on my boat but rarely use it. I have pics of my Dad's boats flying
them, but unfortunately not digitized. Looks like the one on Bart's
pic is hanked onto the forestay tho, so I guess we'd just call that one
a forestaysail.
So please tell me what name you would apply to that skimpy mizzen
staysail?
Waiting on the edge of my chair,
Mike

What is this one called?
http://www.theyachtmarket.com/userimages/24272.jpg

Joe


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you..

On Nov 1, 6:26 pm, "Joe" wrote:
What is this one
called?http://www.theyachtmarket.com/userimages/24272.jpg

Joe

That's easy, Joe, a backwards fisherman/gollywobbler!
I really have no clue, or clew, as Jax would say, but it looks pretty
cool. Can't be too easy to set or douse, tho...
Mike

cruisin wrote:
On Nov 1, 6:26 pm, "Joe" wrote:
What is this one
called?http://www.theyachtmarket.com/userimages/24272.jpg

Joe

That's easy, Joe, a backwards fisherman/gollywobbler!
I really have no clue, or clew, as Jax would say, but it looks pretty
cool. Can't be too easy to set or douse, tho...
Mike

Maybe Ol Thom will clue us in.

Joe

Sorry Joe,

Can't open the attachment.

Youse guys ain't playing fair anyways. You're talking Ketch Rigs and the
boat in the picture is a Yawl ( Damn pretty Yawl)

There is a big difference. A Yawl will have a large Main Sail, and a
standing back stay for support. The Mizzen isn't any part of that
standing rigging for the Main Sail.

You Ketch guys split the rig to reduce the sail load, with two sails,
usually providing standing rigging support together as per Mast Tips.

By the way; A Yawl will just about sail the same with or without her
Mizzen. The Mizzen is to limit "Weather Helm" just like in the picture
with all that Head Sail pressure.

I thought every one knew this. I feel foolish posting it. The Mizzen on
a Yawl will produce neutral Helm.


http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ILLDRINKTOTHAT

"Thom Stewart"
I thought every one knew this. I feel foolish posting it. The Mizzen on
a Yawl will produce neutral Helm.

mizzen is he arabic word meaning to balance.

Thom Stewart wrote:
Sorry Joe,

Can't open the attachment.

Youse guys ain't playing fair anyways. You're talking Ketch Rigs and the
boat in the picture is a Yawl ( Damn pretty Yawl)

There is a big difference. A Yawl will have a large Main Sail, and a
standing back stay for support. The Mizzen isn't any part of that
standing rigging for the Main Sail.

You Ketch guys split the rig to reduce the sail load, with two sails,
usually providing standing rigging support together as per Mast Tips.

By the way; A Yawl will just about sail the same with or without her
Mizzen. The Mizzen is to limit "Weather Helm" just like in the picture
with all that Head Sail pressure.

I thought every one knew this. I feel foolish posting it. The Mizzen on
a Yawl will produce neutral Helm.

Great info Thom, I might add that on the Yawl the mizzen mast is aft
the rudder, and a Ketch it is forward of the rudder.

Joe


http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ILLDRINKTOTHAT

The ketch in the picture is sailing a genoa, main, mule, and mizzen.

"mule sail n. A staysail hung with the point down and carried between the
mainmast and the mizzen on ketches."

The Sailor's Illustrated Dictionary by Thompson Lenfestey published 1994 The
Lyons Press

Ansley Sawyer
SV Pacem
39' Camper Nicholson Ketch

That's the "MULE"

Thanks Ansley. I couldn't remember that Damn name. I can blame old age.
It is a good sail but a sail that need to come off early but is such a
good performer that it is left flying to long.


http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ILLDRINKTOTHAT

Ansley W. Sawyer wrote:
The ketch in the picture is sailing a genoa, main, mule, and mizzen.

"mule sail n. A staysail hung with the point down and carried between the
mainmast and the mizzen on ketches."

The Sailor's Illustrated Dictionary by Thompson Lenfestey published 1994 The
Lyons Press


Thanks for the reference.

The sail in the picture could be considered a main topsail,
it could also be called a Fenger staysail, after a yacht
designer of the early 1900s who produced boats with rigs
like this.
http://www.shipyardcup.com/boats-sintra.jpg
Of course, if you call it anything, most people won't know
what the heck you're talking about

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

DSK wrote:
Ansley W. Sawyer wrote:
The ketch in the picture is sailing a genoa, main, mule, and mizzen.

"mule sail n. A staysail hung with the point down and carried between the
mainmast and the mizzen on ketches."

The Sailor's Illustrated Dictionary by Thompson Lenfestey published 1994 The
Lyons Press


Thanks for the reference.

The sail in the picture could be considered a main topsail,
it could also be called a Fenger staysail, after a yacht
designer of the early 1900s who produced boats with rigs
like this.
http://www.shipyardcup.com/boats-sintra.jpg

What a waste of space, what the advantage there?

Joe



Of course, if you call it anything, most people won't know
what the heck you're talking about

Fresh Breezes- Doug King