How Jeff feels about his Yacht....a repost
 

Jeff wrote:

Its just a lot of plastic.


I'm really sorry you feel that way about her. I hope she gets a better
owner and soon. The PDQ 36 is "someone's" work of art, carefully
designed and built by human beings who were envisioning something
beyond practical endeavors. It's really and truly awful for you to say
"it's just a lot of plastic." Everyone I know loves their boats and are

proud of them...and the choice they made.


She (Jeff's daughter) turned down every
offer and said she'd rather have the family sailing together.


Probably she has a deeper appreciation for the vessel than you do and
would never call it "just a lot of plastic." Seriously, Jeff, that's
just an awful thing to say.



Obviously. You like to brag about your possessions. What else do you
have?


I brag about the ones that gets a rise out of the fools of ASA, even
VHF radios....and they take the bait every time! But I'm NOT proud of
my VHF, Jeff....though I do appreciate the science and effort to design

it.


Yes, a lot of work went into
picking the right boat for us, but that's personal satisfaction,
nothing to brag about.


Really, Jeff? You've never bragged about your boats speed, comfort,
value or even it's ventilation???? That must have been another Jeff
with a PDQ 36!
Dude, like I said: Get over yourself.


I have no idea how you really feel about anything.


Actually, Jeff....I think you do, but you also enjoy these little
battles as a diversion, so off we go.


Bragging
about possessions is just a way of covering up your emptiness.


Or just a dumb troll for dumber people to nip at. I am proud of my
boat, Jeff. I'm not proud of my Subaru, Kia or home theatre.
I'm proud of Sailing.ASA...which I also clearly OWN.


RB
35s5
NY

How Jeff feels about his Yacht....a repost
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
Jeff wrote:

Its just a lot of plastic.

I'm really sorry you feel that way about her. I hope she gets a better
owner and soon. The PDQ 36 is "someone's" work of art, carefully
designed and built by human beings who were envisioning something
beyond practical endeavors. It's really and truly awful for you to say
"it's just a lot of plastic." Everyone I know loves their boats and are
proud of them...and the choice they made.

You just don't get it. I can appreciate the work that went into
designing and building my boat. But I didn't do it. I just wrote a
check, and that's nothing to brag about.

I have lots of possessions that I enjoy. But I don't brag about them.
I love my antique sextant, but I'm not "proud" of it, nor would I
brag about it. After all, anyone who thought it was worth a few
hundred of their dollars could buy one. I am proud of the fact that I
know how to use it and have actually found my location with it, (not
very well, I admit).

I just don't understand how someone can be "proud" of spending their
daddy's money.



She (Jeff's daughter) turned down every
offer and said she'd rather have the family sailing together.


Probably she has a deeper appreciation for the vessel than you do and
would never call it "just a lot of plastic." Seriously, Jeff, that's
just an awful thing to say.

Why? I'm sure the builders of my boat would be quite disappointed if
they thought it sat in the slip, its only purpose for me to brag about
it. If that's all it does, its just a piece of plastic. That fact
that it taken us 10000 miles or so, and been our home for extended
periods, that's something to take pride in.

Remember, I watched my boat being built. I was there when it was
popped out of the mold. I fully appreciate the work that went into
it, I even know the people who did the work. But why would I brag
about the work other people did?

We did a small part of the design, and I am proud of that. As it
turned out, our boat was the model for their last major marketing
drawing (the photos were the hull before ours), so I get some extra
pleasure whenever I see that. But that fact that we spec'd a few
extra handholds, shelves, and steps and some other details is nothing
to brag about.

The last time I saw the factory folks they asked me about a sistership
that I had helped sell. When I told them that it had been cruised for
two years, but was now in storage while the owner worked on several
guidebooks, they were rather disappointed. But they felt better when
I said the owner was planning to head out again in a year.

Builders are proud when their boats are used, not when they're sold
just so that someone can brag about it. Buying a Racer/Cruiser to
neither race nor cruise, but just to reach back and forth a few times
would not do them proud.


Obviously. You like to brag about your possessions. What else do you
have?


I brag about the ones that gets a rise out of the fools of ASA, even
VHF radios....and they take the bait every time! But I'm NOT proud of
my VHF, Jeff....though I do appreciate the science and effort to design
it.


You don't get a "rise" out of anyone. They're all laughing at you.


Yes, a lot of work went into
picking the right boat for us, but that's personal satisfaction,
nothing to brag about.


Really, Jeff? You've never bragged about your boats speed, comfort,
value or even it's ventilation???? That must have been another Jeff
with a PDQ 36!

You'll notice I never compared my boat to any other than yours. Face
it Booby, my boat is bigger than yours, faster than yours, more
comfortable than yours.

Dude, like I said: Get over yourself.

You're the one dripping with jealousy.


Bragging
about possessions is just a way of covering up your emptiness.

Or just a dumb troll for dumber people to nip at. I am proud of my
boat, Jeff. I'm not proud of my Subaru, Kia or home theatre.
I'm proud of Sailing.ASA...which I also clearly OWN.

Yes, just like the streaker who thinks he owns Yankee Stadium, when in
reality 50,000 people are laughing at his tiny wienee.

How Jeff feels about his Yacht....a repost
 

I get the impression that owning ( by marriage ) this
Bendytoe is Boob****'s greatest accomplishment in his life.

So sad, isn't it?

SBV




"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
Capt. Rob wrote:
Jeff wrote:

Its just a lot of plastic.

I'm really sorry you feel that way about her. I hope she
gets a better
owner and soon. The PDQ 36 is "someone's" work of art,
carefully
designed and built by human beings who were envisioning
something

How Jeff feels about his Yacht....a repost
 

You just don't get it.

No, Jeff and I've never heard anyone EVER say their boat was "just a
lot of plastic." I'm sorry, but that's just horrible and no attempts to
rewrite will make it any better.

I can appreciate the work that went into
designing and building my boat.

It's just a lot of plastic. Your words.


check, and that's nothing to brag about.


Another sad and terribly limiting point of view. Did you work for that
money? Did you work to find the right boat? Having a yacht is an
accomplishment. I worked to have the money to own mine. Maybe someone
just gave you the money and told you which boat would be best for you.
Then I could see not being proud of owning your own yacht. Perhaps
you're one of the many folks who have no idea how some people struggle
every day just to keep a roof over their heads.


I have lots of possessions that I enjoy. But I don't brag about
them.

You just did.


I love my antique sextant, but I'm not "proud" of it, nor would I
brag about it.

It depends on how much trouble it was to find, to buy and restore. You
might be proud of it and that would be fine.

After all, anyone who thought it was worth a few
hundred of their dollars could buy one.

If they had a few hundred dollars to spare. If they could appreciate
such a thing. If they knew how to buy one to begin with.

I am proud of the fact that I
know how to use it and have actually found my location with it, (not
very well, I admit).

That's good. Mine is plastic, but I can use it....poorly.


I just don't understand how someone can be "proud" of spending their

daddy's money.

I had no idea you were spending your dad's money. I thought, like me,
you had a job. Actually, Jeff, I have TWO jobs to support my sailing.



Why?

Because a boat, a sailboat especially is so much more than a "lot of
plastic", Jeff. It's so much more.

its only purpose for me to brag about
it. If that's all it does, its just a piece of plastic.

Who said anything like that? My boat and the sailboats owned by my
friends give a lot of joy.

That fact
that it taken us 10000 miles or so, and been our home for extended
periods, that's something to take pride in.

If long voyages are what's important to you, then you SHOULD take pride
in it.


But why would I brag
about the work other people did?

Well, for most people like myself (perhaps not you), we WORK for the
money. We work even harder to find the boat that suits us and our
family situation best. Since I actually have a work ethic, I believe a
person should be proud of their work and what it brings them. Clearly
you don't feel the same way and that's simply and purely sad.

We did a small part of the design, and I am proud of that.

Cool! Which part?

But that fact that we spec'd a few
extra handholds, shelves, and steps and some other details is nothing
to brag about.

Why not?


Builders are proud when their boats are used, not when they're sold
just so that someone can brag about it.

I don't know anyone who doesn't use their boats, Jeff. Not only do we
love and use ours every week, but we also invite every friend and
family member aboard. There's nothing more rewarding than watching
someone fall in love with sailing.

Buying a Racer/Cruiser to
neither race nor cruise, but just to reach back and forth a few times
would not do them proud.


Nonsense. We use our boat for family sailing and local cruising. Our
son LOVES it. Only a total creep would question the application of OUR
boat. No one here sails as often as we do. I sailed this morning. Did
you? I'll sail tomorrow & Sunday. Will you?
Jeff, we all know your sort. If a fellow isn't sailing the way you
sail, then it must be wrong. I never make fun of how a person sails, so
long as they get out there and do it. My friend's Tayana can cruise the
world. He likes to sail locally and take his kids out. That makes him
happy and the boat is a hit. Just because I own a car that does 155
doesn't mean it's wasted if I don't drive it that fast.
You'll never get what sailing is all about Jeff. Not ever. You think
it's about cruising. You think it's about racing. You seek to define
the specific usage of a boat and grade it. But that's not what sailing
is all about, Jeff. In fact, that's the kind of thinking that sailing
allows us to escape.



you don't get a "rise" out of anyone. They're all laughing at you.


Really? Then that's even better, since it's never "me" they're laughing
at, Jeff. You don't get THAT either.


You'll notice I never compared my boat to any other than yours.
Face
it Booby, my boat is bigger than yours, faster than yours, more
comfortable than yours.

It's twice the size and half the fun, as just about any cat or monohull
owner knows.


You're the one dripping with jealousy.


Over what? Did you buy a fun boat recently? Thomas loves it when the
35s5 is sliding along, heeled over, water racing past. What would he do
on a PDQ 36? I'll put more clearly for you by quoting a certain famous
cup racer:

"When I sail a cruising cat, it's all about getting to where we're
going. Aboard a monohull, it's just about sailing and no one even cares
if there's a destination at all."

True that.


Yes, just like the streaker who thinks he owns Yankee Stadium, when
in
reality 50,000 people are laughing at his tiny wienee.

And he has a great time, a thrill of his making and want and he's man
enough to not care about who might be laughing because he can't hear it
over his own.

Jeff, you sound like a man who is embittered by advancing years. I'd
like to take you for a sail....though it might be too short.




RB
35s5
NY

How Jeff feels about his Yacht....a repost
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com..
..


I can appreciate the work that went into
designing and building my boat.

It's just a lot of plastic. Your words.



That's good. Mine is plastic, but I can use it....poorly.

Maybe your new 'black' sails will divert attention from this
fact.

Scotty

How Jeff feels about his Yacht....a repost
 

"Krusty Morgan" stupidly wrote ..
After all, anyone who thought it was worth a few
hundred of their dollars could buy one.

If they had a few hundred dollars to spare. If they could
appreciate
such a thing. If they knew how to buy one to begin with.

I am proud of the fact that I
know how to use it and have actually found my location
with it, (not
very well, I admit).

That's good. Mine is plastic, but I can use it....poorly.


Just a piece of plastic? :^)

Sorry Krusty, Wal Mart doesn't even sell the plastic ones.

SBV

How Jeff feels about his Yacht....a repost
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

You just don't get it.

No, Jeff and I've never heard anyone EVER say their boat was "just a
lot of plastic." I'm sorry, but that's just horrible and no attempts to
rewrite will make it any better.

I can appreciate the work that went into
designing and building my boat.

It's just a lot of plastic. Your words.


check, and that's nothing to brag about.


Another sad and terribly limiting point of view. Did you work for that
money? Did you work to find the right boat? Having a yacht is an
accomplishment. I worked to have the money to own mine. Maybe someone
just gave you the money and told you which boat would be best for you.
Then I could see not being proud of owning your own yacht. Perhaps
you're one of the many folks who have no idea how some people struggle
every day just to keep a roof over their heads.


I have lots of possessions that I enjoy. But I don't brag about
them.

You just did.


I love my antique sextant, but I'm not "proud" of it, nor would I
brag about it.

It depends on how much trouble it was to find, to buy and restore. You
might be proud of it and that would be fine.

After all, anyone who thought it was worth a few
hundred of their dollars could buy one.

If they had a few hundred dollars to spare. If they could appreciate
such a thing. If they knew how to buy one to begin with.

I am proud of the fact that I
know how to use it and have actually found my location with it, (not
very well, I admit).

That's good. Mine is plastic, but I can use it....poorly.


I just don't understand how someone can be "proud" of spending their

daddy's money.

I had no idea you were spending your dad's money. I thought, like me,
you had a job. Actually, Jeff, I have TWO jobs to support my sailing.



Why?

Because a boat, a sailboat especially is so much more than a "lot of
plastic", Jeff. It's so much more.

its only purpose for me to brag about
it. If that's all it does, its just a piece of plastic.

Who said anything like that? My boat and the sailboats owned by my
friends give a lot of joy.

That fact
that it taken us 10000 miles or so, and been our home for extended
periods, that's something to take pride in.

If long voyages are what's important to you, then you SHOULD take pride
in it.


But why would I brag
about the work other people did?

Well, for most people like myself (perhaps not you), we WORK for the
money. We work even harder to find the boat that suits us and our
family situation best. Since I actually have a work ethic, I believe a
person should be proud of their work and what it brings them. Clearly
you don't feel the same way and that's simply and purely sad.

We did a small part of the design, and I am proud of that.

Cool! Which part?

But that fact that we spec'd a few
extra handholds, shelves, and steps and some other details is nothing
to brag about.

Why not?


Builders are proud when their boats are used, not when they're sold
just so that someone can brag about it.

I don't know anyone who doesn't use their boats, Jeff. Not only do we
love and use ours every week, but we also invite every friend and
family member aboard. There's nothing more rewarding than watching
someone fall in love with sailing.

Buying a Racer/Cruiser to
neither race nor cruise, but just to reach back and forth a few times
would not do them proud.


Nonsense. We use our boat for family sailing and local cruising. Our
son LOVES it. Only a total creep would question the application of OUR
boat. No one here sails as often as we do. I sailed this morning. Did
you? I'll sail tomorrow & Sunday. Will you?
Jeff, we all know your sort. If a fellow isn't sailing the way you
sail, then it must be wrong. I never make fun of how a person sails, so
long as they get out there and do it. My friend's Tayana can cruise the
world. He likes to sail locally and take his kids out. That makes him
happy and the boat is a hit. Just because I own a car that does 155
doesn't mean it's wasted if I don't drive it that fast.
You'll never get what sailing is all about Jeff. Not ever. You think
it's about cruising. You think it's about racing. You seek to define
the specific usage of a boat and grade it. But that's not what sailing
is all about, Jeff. In fact, that's the kind of thinking that sailing
allows us to escape.



you don't get a "rise" out of anyone. They're all laughing at you.


Really? Then that's even better, since it's never "me" they're laughing
at, Jeff. You don't get THAT either.


You'll notice I never compared my boat to any other than yours.
Face
it Booby, my boat is bigger than yours, faster than yours, more
comfortable than yours.

It's twice the size and half the fun, as just about any cat or monohull
owner knows.


You're the one dripping with jealousy.


Over what? Did you buy a fun boat recently? Thomas loves it when the
35s5 is sliding along, heeled over, water racing past. What would he do
on a PDQ 36? I'll put more clearly for you by quoting a certain famous
cup racer:

"When I sail a cruising cat, it's all about getting to where we're
going. Aboard a monohull, it's just about sailing and no one even cares
if there's a destination at all."

True that.


Yes, just like the streaker who thinks he owns Yankee Stadium, when
in
reality 50,000 people are laughing at his tiny wienee.

And he has a great time, a thrill of his making and want and he's man
enough to not care about who might be laughing because he can't hear it
over his own.

Jeff, you sound like a man who is embittered by advancing years. I'd
like to take you for a sail....though it might be too short.


Mine is a big piece of lifeless plastic. I'm not proud of it either.

I do enjoy the things I do with it because all it is is an extension of
myself. It is simply a tool.

It doesn't matter how hard I worked for it or if someone gave it to me.
That's not what it is about.

Having a yacht is no accomplishment. Neither is merely existing an
accomplishment.

If you think that boat of yours is a measure of you, you are sadly pathetic.

How Jeff feels about his Yacht....a repost
 

--
"Krusty Morgan" stupidly wrote ..

Sorry Krusty, Wal Mart doesn't even sell the plastic
ones.

SBV



But I'm an employee.

BB

Do you get a discount on their marine goods?

How Jeff feels about his Yacht....a repost
 

"Gilligan" wrote in message
. ..

I do enjoy the things I do with it because all it is is an extension of
myself. It is simply a tool.

And, of course, the choice of a particular tool does suggest a great deal
about a person.

It doesn't matter how hard I worked for it or if someone gave it to me.
That's not what it is about.

Having a yacht is no accomplishment. Neither is merely existing an
accomplishment.

If you think that boat of yours is a measure of you, you are sadly
pathetic.

I believe it is a measure, small "m". However, the Measure of a man/woman is
not found in things but his character.

Character is what you are in the dark... Dwight Moody.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

How Jeff feels about his Yacht....a repost
 

Mine is a big piece of lifeless plastic. I'm not proud of it either.



Everyone can see why. Shame would be more fitting.



RB
35s5
NY

How Jeff feels about his Yacht....a repost
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...

Mine is a big piece of lifeless plastic. I'm not proud of it either.



Everyone can see why. Shame would be more fitting.


Why don't you tell us why.

How can I take pride in something I bought?

Especially when there is so much I've conceived, designed and built myself.
Unlike you.

How Jeff feels about his Yacht....a repost
 

How can I take pride in something I bought?


By working very hard for it. If it came easily, then maybe you'd have a
point. Most people I know are proud of their hard work and what it has
brought them.


Especially when there is so much I've conceived, designed and built
myself.
Unlike you.

Puhlease. No one here is buying.



RB
35s5
NY

How Jeff feels about his Yacht....a repost
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
You just don't get it.

No, Jeff and I've never heard anyone EVER say their boat was "just a
lot of plastic." I'm sorry, but that's just horrible and no attempts to
rewrite will make it any better.

Such nonsense. What a jackass you are. Bragging about possessions,
imbuing with some magic life, such that they are something to be proud
of just by their existence.

So where do you rate your boat on the "pride scale"? Just a hair
below your kid? It sounds like it would be a tough decision for you.

You such a baby, booby. Grow up.




I can appreciate the work that went into
designing and building my boat.

It's just a lot of plastic. Your words.

Sorry, booby. Grownups place special value on family, on friends, on
community, on living. Not on possessions.

Grow up.



check, and that's nothing to brag about.


Another sad and terribly limiting point of view. Did you work for that
money? Did you work to find the right boat? Having a yacht is an
accomplishment.

No big deal - it was a decision.

I worked to have the money to own mine. Maybe someone
just gave you the money and told you which boat would be best for you.

This is nonsense. No grownup runs down the street yelling "Look at
me! I know how to buy a car! I can buy a boat!" That's what you've
been doing here.

Then I could see not being proud of owning your own yacht. Perhaps
you're one of the many folks who have no idea how some people struggle
every day just to keep a roof over their heads.

So now your saying I should brag about my boat because it shows that
I'm better than poor people??? You're really sick, Booby. Get help,
fast.




I had no idea you were spending your dad's money. I thought, like me,
you had a job. Actually, Jeff, I have TWO jobs to support my sailing.

Nope. I never got a penny from family. Every cent was earned the old
fashion way. Hard work and pure dumb luck.




Why?

Because a boat, a sailboat especially is so much more than a "lot of
plastic", Jeff. It's so much more.

Not until you use it. Just sitting there, its lifeless plastic.


its only purpose for me to brag about
it. If that's all it does, its just a piece of plastic.

Who said anything like that? My boat and the sailboats owned by my
friends give a lot of joy.

You're the only one who brags about owning the boat. Everyone I know
is proud of what they do with it.


That fact
that it taken us 10000 miles or so, and been our home for extended
periods, that's something to take pride in.

If long voyages are what's important to you, then you SHOULD take pride
in it.


But why would I brag
about the work other people did?

Well, for most people like myself (perhaps not you), we WORK for the
money. We work even harder to find the boat that suits us and our
family situation best. Since I actually have a work ethic, I believe a
person should be proud of their work and what it brings them. Clearly
you don't feel the same way and that's simply and purely sad.

But you're claiming that you're entitled to be proud of other people's
work, because you paid for it. SO now you're claiming you can buy
pride??? You;re sick, booby. Get help!

But that fact that we spec'd a few
extra handholds, shelves, and steps and some other details is nothing
to brag about.

Why not?

Because its pretty stupid to brag about small things. It's kind of
like bragging about what camera or tv you have. No one cares.



Builders are proud when their boats are used, not when they're sold
just so that someone can brag about it.

I don't know anyone who doesn't use their boats, Jeff. Not only do we
love and use ours every week, but we also invite every friend and
family member aboard. There's nothing more rewarding than watching
someone fall in love with sailing.

But you've been claiming you should brag about the mere ownership of
it, while I've been saying that until its used, its just plastic. Now
you're claiming something very different.


Buying a Racer/Cruiser to
neither race nor cruise, but just to reach back and forth a few times
would not do them proud.


Nonsense. We use our boat for family sailing and local cruising.

Cruising? Tell us about your great cruises.

Our
son LOVES it. Only a total creep would question the application of OUR
boat. No one here sails as often as we do. I sailed this morning. Did
you? I'll sail tomorrow & Sunday. Will you?

So now you're agreeing with me, its how you use the boat that's important.

Jeff, we all know your sort. If a fellow isn't sailing the way you
sail, then it must be wrong. I never make fun of how a
person sails, so long as they get out there and do it.

snip holier than thou bull**** which no one is buying

Show a single post I've made in the years Ive posted here where I've
made fun of anyone's sailing or boat except yours. Its hard to find a
post of your where you're not either bragging about how your
possessions are better than anyone's or where you're not denigrating
someone or their boat.


you don't get a "rise" out of anyone. They're all laughing at you.

Really? Then that's even better, since it's never "me" they're laughing
at, Jeff. You don't get THAT either.

Now you're just being delusional.

How Jeff feels about his Yacht....a repost
 

Such nonsense. What a jackass you are. Bragging about possessions,
imbuing with some magic life, such that they are something to be proud
of just by their existence.


Poor Jeff. And I do mean that. For centuries, poets and artists of all
kinds have clearly seen the "magic life" in a sailing vessel. What a
loss for you that you've missed out on this common aspect of sailing.


So where do you rate your boat on the "pride scale"? Just a hair
below your kid? It sounds like it would be a tough decision for you.


There are many kinds of pride, Jeff. You seem like a very simple
fellow.


You such a baby, booby. Grow up.

If it means having your dull, lifeless and pragmatically heart stopping
lack of vision and heart, I'll stay a baby, thank you.


Sorry, booby. Grownups place special value on family, on friends,
on
community, on living. Not on possessions.

Sophisticated grownups place value on a lot of things. You have no
point at all.


No big deal - it was a decision.


Well, like I said: Everyone I know sails for emotional reasons. They
love their boats and are proud of them, just as they love sailing.


This is nonsense. No grownup runs down the street yelling "Look at
me! I know how to buy a car! I can buy a boat!" That's what you've
been doing here.

I'm not running down the street. There are very few people here and I
troll, quite well I might add.


So now your saying I should brag about my boat because it shows that

I'm better than poor people???

There's a leap of logic for ya! No, Jeff. You should be proud of the
life you've built. And that includes your yacht.

You're really sick, Booby. Get help,
fast.


No thanks. I don't know a single person who sails that has your cold
and lifeless vision of boats and pride.


Nope. I never got a penny from family. Every cent was earned the
old
fashion way. Hard work and pure dumb luck.

I have no doubt that your luck has been dumb. But you should be proud
that you earned enough to do well by your family and treat them to life
on the water, at least in part.


Not until you use it. Just sitting there, its lifeless plastic.

I use mine more than you. Thomas was aboard 2-3 times per week and also
sailed on about 5 other boats. Next season we'll take longer trips,
since Suzanne is dropping to a 2 day schedule. Once again you have no
point.


You're the only one who brags about owning the boat. Everyone I
know
is proud of what they do with it.

You're busted again, Jeff. I've posted videos and pics...hundreds in
fact...showing my various boats sailing. I'm proud of how well I can
now handle my boat. Sailing distances is not for everyone and is not
the measure of a sailor. I know people who do nothing but sail on
lakes. They are also proud of their skills....and their boats. Jeff,
you've utterly missed the boat.



But you're claiming that you're entitled to be proud of other
people's
work, because you paid for it. SO now you're claiming you can buy
pride???


Wow, kinda challenged when it comes to reading and comprehension, aint
ya?! Pride of ownership is not about someone elses work, Jeff. You
don't get it. But every other sailor I know does. Why not Google
"Sailing and pride of ownership" and see what comes up?


Because its pretty stupid to brag about small things. It's kind of
like bragging about what camera or tv you have. No one cares.


Not true at all. For some people a camera is a major purchase and
photography a passion. You are just judging here, Jeff...and badly at
that. "Small things" is a very relative term.


But you've been claiming you should brag about the mere ownership of

it, while I've been saying that until its used, its just plastic. Now
you're claiming something very different.


You must be insane. What kind of moron would simplify my statement as
though the boat were tucked away in a garage? Oh. Yeah. YOU! But you
know what, Jeff...if I NEVER sailed my boat and just loved having it
that would be fine too. It's not for you to judge how people live or
enjoy their loves and lives.


Cruising? Tell us about your great cruises.

On which boat? We had a lot of great weekend cruises on the C&C 32.
We'll have many more next season. Once again you lose because you think
everyone should sail as you do. I guess if I owned a dull floating
radiator I'd need to go places for fun too. But your way of sailing
doesn't have to make ME happy, or does it?


So now you're agreeing with me, its how you use the boat that's
important.


Get help, Jeff. And I do mean that. If someone wants to sit on their
boat on the hook all the time and IT MAKES THEM HAPPY, then that's good
use of a boat. Some folks put exotic cars under glass. It's their cars
and it makes them happy. Not only did you miss the point of sailing,
but you also missed the point of LIFE!


Show a single post I've made in the years Ive posted here where I've

made fun of anyone's sailing or boat except yours. Its hard to find a
post of your where you're not either bragging about how your
possessions are better than anyone's or where you're not denigrating
someone or their boat.

You have an awful and dull boat, Jeff. Most folks here know it. You're
also too thick to get alt.asa at all it would appear. What do you
imagine I really think of the boats in this group? Have you ever
wondered what Capt Neal was really like? Do you think everything
written here must have some basis in reality or are you without even a
clam's imagination?


Now you're just being delusional.

You'll never know, Jeff.
Time for sleep. G'night.



RB
35s5
NY

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"Jeff" wrote in ...


Nonsense. We use our boat for family sailing and local
cruising.

Cruising? Tell us about your great cruises.









Damn those crickets are LOUD !

Scotty

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

How can I take pride in something I bought?


By working very hard for it. If it came easily, then maybe you'd have a
point. Most people I know are proud of their hard work and what it has
brought them.


Only a fool strives to work harder. Anyone with sense desires to work
smarter. It's called improving one's productivity.



Especially when there is so much I've conceived, designed and built
myself.
Unlike you.

Puhlease. No one here is buying.

It's not for sale.

How Jeff feels about his Yacht....a repost
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

Such nonsense. What a jackass you are. Bragging about possessions,
imbuing with some magic life, such that they are something to be proud
of just by their existence.


Poor Jeff. And I do mean that. For centuries, poets and artists of all
kinds have clearly seen the "magic life" in a sailing vessel. What a
loss for you that you've missed out on this common aspect of sailing.



Magic as in Santa Claus, God and the tooth fairy?

For centuries men have abandoned the miserable life of a sailor. Why do you
think that for centuries there were press gangs to capture people to work on
sailing ships.

Learn some history and the fantasy will fade.



So where do you rate your boat on the "pride scale"? Just a hair
below your kid? It sounds like it would be a tough decision for you.


There are many kinds of pride, Jeff. You seem like a very simple
fellow.

Hubris is one of them.




You such a baby, booby. Grow up.

If it means having your dull, lifeless and pragmatically heart stopping
lack of vision and heart, I'll stay a baby, thank you.



Obviously.



Sorry, booby. Grownups place special value on family, on friends,
on
community, on living. Not on possessions.

Sophisticated grownups place value on a lot of things. You have no
point at all.


Grownups learn to prioritize value. A boat is just a big piece of lifeless
plastic.



No big deal - it was a decision.


Well, like I said: Everyone I know sails for emotional reasons. They
love their boats and are proud of them, just as they love sailing.


I bet they drive with their emotions too.



This is nonsense. No grownup runs down the street yelling "Look at
me! I know how to buy a car! I can buy a boat!" That's what you've
been doing here.

I'm not running down the street. There are very few people here and I
troll, quite well I might add.

Read all the public review boards for Nikon, Kia, Subaru and Beneteau. You
are the first and with the biggest review. Why run down the street and
advertise to those only in earshot when the internet announces to the world?




So now your saying I should brag about my boat because it shows that

I'm better than poor people???

There's a leap of logic for ya! No, Jeff. You should be proud of the
life you've built. And that includes your yacht.

Definition of hubris - good read.



You're really sick, Booby. Get help,
fast.


No thanks. I don't know a single person who sails that has your cold
and lifeless vision of boats and pride.

You are forgetting me! Don't forget me!!!




Nope. I never got a penny from family. Every cent was earned the
old
fashion way. Hard work and pure dumb luck.

I have no doubt that your luck has been dumb. But you should be proud
that you earned enough to do well by your family and treat them to life
on the water, at least in part.

It's not the fact he earned it, it's how he earned it. Jeff works smarter,
not harder.





Not until you use it. Just sitting there, its lifeless plastic.

I use mine more than you. Thomas was aboard 2-3 times per week and also
sailed on about 5 other boats. Next season we'll take longer trips,
since Suzanne is dropping to a 2 day schedule. Once again you have no
point.

Rather than frequency, speak of overall trip duration.

I know swimmers that do more miles at the pool per outing.




You're the only one who brags about owning the boat. Everyone I
know
is proud of what they do with it.

You're busted again, Jeff. I've posted videos and pics...hundreds in
fact...showing my various boats sailing. I'm proud of how well I can
now handle my boat. Sailing distances is not for everyone and is not
the measure of a sailor. I know people who do nothing but sail on
lakes. They are also proud of their skills....and their boats. Jeff,
you've utterly missed the boat.


The point - false pride?




But you're claiming that you're entitled to be proud of other
people's
work, because you paid for it. SO now you're claiming you can buy
pride???


Wow, kinda challenged when it comes to reading and comprehension, aint
ya?! Pride of ownership is not about someone elses work, Jeff. You
don't get it. But every other sailor I know does. Why not Google
"Sailing and pride of ownership" and see what comes up?

"Pride of Ownership" is a slogan used by salesman. It's used to create
sales.

If ownership is the end and not the means, let's take pride in owning
slaves!




Because its pretty stupid to brag about small things. It's kind of
like bragging about what camera or tv you have. No one cares.


Not true at all. For some people a camera is a major purchase and
photography a passion. You are just judging here, Jeff...and badly at
that. "Small things" is a very relative term.

Still haven't gotten to photography class eh?




But you've been claiming you should brag about the mere ownership of

it, while I've been saying that until its used, its just plastic. Now
you're claiming something very different.


You must be insane. What kind of moron would simplify my statement as
though the boat were tucked away in a garage? Oh. Yeah. YOU! But you
know what, Jeff...if I NEVER sailed my boat and just loved having it
that would be fine too. It's not for you to judge how people live or
enjoy their loves and lives.

It is for Jeff and everyone to judge how people live their lives. Not to do
so is suspending morality.





Cruising? Tell us about your great cruises.

On which boat? We had a lot of great weekend cruises on the C&C 32.
We'll have many more next season. Once again you lose because you think
everyone should sail as you do. I guess if I owned a dull floating
radiator I'd need to go places for fun too. But your way of sailing
doesn't have to make ME happy, or does it?


Look at you judging others and their boats!




So now you're agreeing with me, its how you use the boat that's
important.


Get help, Jeff. And I do mean that. If someone wants to sit on their
boat on the hook all the time and IT MAKES THEM HAPPY, then that's good
use of a boat. Some folks put exotic cars under glass. It's their cars
and it makes them happy. Not only did you miss the point of sailing,
but you also missed the point of LIFE!

And that is ownership?



Show a single post I've made in the years Ive posted here where I've

made fun of anyone's sailing or boat except yours. Its hard to find a
post of your where you're not either bragging about how your
possessions are better than anyone's or where you're not denigrating
someone or their boat.

You have an awful and dull boat, Jeff. Most folks here know it. You're
also too thick to get alt.asa at all it would appear. What do you
imagine I really think of the boats in this group? Have you ever
wondered what Capt Neal was really like? Do you think everything
written here must have some basis in reality or are you without even a
clam's imagination?

The Famous BS closing argument. "It's all fantasy!" "I don't mean what I
say!"

Bwahahahahahahaaa!!!!!!!!





Now you're just being delusional.

You'll never know, Jeff.
Time for sleep. G'night.



RB
35s5
NY

How Jeff feels about his Yacht....a repost
 

Magic as in Santa Claus, God and the tooth fairy?



Nope. Santa, God and the Tooth Fairy are all fantasy. But love and
pride in one's boat is quite real.
I didn't bother with the rest of your effort because it long and dull.
Jeff is much better at this than you are. If you're going to ride on
Jeff's coat-tails at least show some wit.


RB
35s5
NY

How Jeff feels about his Yacht....a repost
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...

Magic as in Santa Claus, God and the tooth fairy?



Nope. Santa, God and the Tooth Fairy are all fantasy. But love and
pride in one's boat is quite real.
I didn't bother with the rest of your effort because it long and dull.

Your senses were dulled at the first smack down. After that it was one long
blur.

It wasn't written for you Bubbles. It was written for those who take the
time to read and think. They'll weigh what is said on both sides and make
their own judgements.


Jeff is much better at this than you are. If you're going to ride on
Jeff's coat-tails at least show some wit.

Jeff's problem is that he keeps biting at your trolls. Post windspeed on LIS
and Jeff is there. You can't troll me and you can't refute me.

Jeff's post is just another opportunity to demonstrate to others your true
nature and your twisted methods of "debate".

I have no boat and I'm gay!

Try and refute that!

Bwahahahahahahaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!




RB
35s5
NY

How Jeff feels about his Yacht....a repost
 

They'll weigh what is said on both sides and make
their own judgements.



"They???" Who the heck is that?
As Jeff said....GET HELP.

You need it.



RB
35s5
NY

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You sure are trying hard... :-)

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Gilligan" wrote in message
. ..

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

How can I take pride in something I bought?


By working very hard for it. If it came easily, then maybe you'd have a
point. Most people I know are proud of their hard work and what it has
brought them.


Only a fool strives to work harder. Anyone with sense desires to work
smarter. It's called improving one's productivity.



Especially when there is so much I've conceived, designed and built
myself.
Unlike you.

Puhlease. No one here is buying.

It's not for sale.

How Jeff feels about his Yacht....a repost
 

"Gilligan" wrote in
message . ..


Poor Jeff. And I do mean that. For centuries, poets and
artists of all
kinds have clearly seen the "magic life" in a sailing
vessel. What a
loss for you that you've missed out on this common
aspect of sailing.



Magic as in Santa Claus, God and the tooth fairy?

For centuries men have abandoned the miserable life of a
sailor. Why do you
think that for centuries there were press gangs to capture
people to work on
sailing ships.


Bob's ''magic life in a sailing vessel'' is spending time in
the slip watching DVDs and eating pork rinds.

Scotty

How Jeff feels about his Yacht....a repost
 

Bob's ''magic life in a sailing vessel'' is spending time in
the slip watching DVDs and eating pork rinds.



Nonsense. I prefer pretzels.



RB
35s5
NY

How Jeff feels about his Yacht....a repost
 

Capt. Rob wrote:

How can I take pride in something I bought?

By working very hard for it. If it came easily, then maybe you'd have
a point. Most people I know are proud of their hard work and what it
has brought them.

Then you're not proud of the boat, but of yourself for having put the work
in.


Especially when there is so much I've conceived, designed and
built myself. Unlike you.

Puhlease. No one here is buying.

Conceiving, designing and building something yourself is just another form
of work. For some, it might be more rewarding than cleaning toilets - you
get the buzz of creating something that didn't exist or was otherwise
unavailable to you, and, if the end result is something you want, you get
the buzz from that, too. You can still get a buzz from acquiring something
you want (self pride for effort) by cleaning toilets and using the earnings
to buy whatever that thing is, but there's always an extra buzz when you use
the thing and remind yourself that you invented and built it. Every
brushstroke of every painting on my walls was painted by me - you can't buy
that, it's not an acquisition trip, but the physical doing of painting was
still just time and effort - a form of work.


--
Capt Scumbalino

How Jeff feels about his Yacht....a repost
 

"Capt. Scumbalino" wrote in message
...

Every
brushstroke of every painting on my walls was painted by
me - you can't buy
that, it's not an acquisition trip, but the physical doing
of painting was
still just time and effort - a form of work.


Every brushstroke of paint on my walls was painted by me.

Scotty