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Bart October 5th 06 04:17 AM

Solid Glass Hulls
 
Cruising sailboat with a solid glass hull, that are without any
core material or framing, are either very ____ or very
_____. 1 pt



katy October 5th 06 04:44 AM

Solid Glass Hulls
 
Bart wrote:
Cruising sailboat with a solid glass hull, that are without any
core material or framing, are either very ____ or very
_____. 1 pt


good
bad

Capt. JG October 5th 06 06:19 AM

Solid Glass Hulls
 
strong
weak

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"katy" wrote in message
...
Bart wrote:
Cruising sailboat with a solid glass hull, that are without any
core material or framing, are either very ____ or very
_____. 1 pt

good
bad




Scout October 5th 06 08:40 AM

Solid Glass Hulls
 

"Bart" .@. wrote in message ...
Cruising sailboat with a solid glass hull, that are without any
core material or framing, are either very ____ or very
_____. 1 pt


sexy
obscene



Capt. Rob October 5th 06 11:08 AM

Solid Glass Hulls
 
Cruising sailboat with a solid glass hull, that are without any
core material or framing, are either very ____ or very
_____. 1 pt




Bart, what cruising boat has no core material OR framing? Quite a few
boats are cored, some solid below the waterline with stringers like
older C&Cs. The Beneteau boats use a well proven grid system. The C&Cs
and boats like my 35s5 or a new 36.7 are very stiff.
I can't think of any cruising boat that is simply solid glass with no
reinforcements of any kind. Which boat has this?

BTW, did you ever research the B&G rig used by Hunter?



RB
35s5
NY


Capt. Rob October 5th 06 12:14 PM

Solid Glass Hulls
 

B&G makes pickles, Rob.



Ooops! Got mixed up with B&G instruments....meant to say B&R rig. Ya
know, from the guy who made that thing for cleaning windows....Windex!

It keeps scratching my windshield.


:-)


RB
35s5
NY


Joe October 5th 06 02:14 PM

Solid Glass Hulls
 

Bart wrote:
Cruising sailboat with a solid glass hull, that are without any
core material or framing, are either very ____ or very
_____. 1 pt


Junk or Junk???

If you wan't a real boat without frames of any type have a strong
Yacht buildt out of Aluminum. If I could afford a new build this would
be the boat.

http://www.strongyachts.com/images/d...endering_3.jpg

No framing what so ever.

Joe


Walt October 5th 06 02:25 PM

Solid Glass Hulls
 
Bart wrote:
Cruising sailboat with a solid glass hull, that are without any
core material or framing, are either very ____ or very
_____. 1 pt


heavy - flexible

And of course with a solid glass hull you can't have a head below decks.



The reason?





Wait for it...











People in glass sailboats shouldn't stow thrones.



Sorry.

//Walt

katy October 5th 06 02:26 PM

Solid Glass Hulls
 
Joe wrote:
Bart wrote:
Cruising sailboat with a solid glass hull, that are without any
core material or framing, are either very ____ or very
_____. 1 pt


Junk or Junk???

If you wan't a real boat without frames of any type have a strong
Yacht buildt out of Aluminum. If I could afford a new build this would
be the boat.

http://www.strongyachts.com/images/d...endering_3.jpg

No framing what so ever.

Joe

number of years ago (maybe Max will remember this) a German couple
doing a Great Cruise, stayed at my former marina for a little while with
their aluminum sailboat. Was very nice all round but the woman said
that it was hard to heat in the cold weather and that they had sweating
problems inside.

Capt. Rob October 5th 06 02:27 PM

Solid Glass Hulls
 

http://www.strongyachts.com/images/d...endering_3.jpg


No framing what so ever.



Bart needs to know if the rig is a fractional convertible cutter!


RB
35s5
NY


katy October 5th 06 02:29 PM

Solid Glass Hulls
 
Walt wrote:
Bart wrote:
Cruising sailboat with a solid glass hull, that are without any
core material or framing, are either very ____ or very
_____. 1 pt

heavy - flexible

And of course with a solid glass hull you can't have a head below decks.



The reason?





Wait for it...











People in glass sailboats shouldn't stow thrones.



Sorry.

//Wal


If you drill a thru hull it's not solid anymore?

Gilligan October 5th 06 02:32 PM

Solid Glass Hulls
 
Heavy and oil can like hell.




"Bart" .@. wrote in message ...
Cruising sailboat with a solid glass hull, that are without any
core material or framing, are either very ____ or very
_____. 1 pt




Gilligan October 5th 06 02:34 PM

Solid Glass Hulls
 

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Bart wrote:
Cruising sailboat with a solid glass hull, that are without any
core material or framing, are either very ____ or very
_____. 1 pt


Junk or Junk???

If you wan't a real boat without frames of any type have a strong
Yacht buildt out of Aluminum. If I could afford a new build this would
be the boat.

http://www.strongyachts.com/images/d...endering_3.jpg

No framing what so ever.

Joe


Then the bulkheads and deck act as frames. Their is no torsional rigidity in
hull w/o frames. They will self destruct quickly.



Joe October 5th 06 02:35 PM

Solid Glass Hulls
 

katy wrote:
Joe wrote:
Bart wrote:
Cruising sailboat with a solid glass hull, that are without any
core material or framing, are either very ____ or very
_____. 1 pt


Junk or Junk???

If you wan't a real boat without frames of any type have a strong
Yacht buildt out of Aluminum. If I could afford a new build this would
be the boat.

http://www.strongyachts.com/images/d...endering_3.jpg

No framing what so ever.

Joe

number of years ago (maybe Max will remember this) a German couple
doing a Great Cruise, stayed at my former marina for a little while with
their aluminum sailboat. Was very nice all round but the woman said
that it was hard to heat in the cold weather and that they had sweating
problems inside.


Sounds like insulation problems. On Redcloud we have no problem
heating the boat, use one little 4"X6" ceramic heater all winter. We
have 2" of insulation with 2 vapor barriers and 2 radiant barriers.

Joe


katy October 5th 06 02:38 PM

Solid Glass Hulls
 
Joe wrote:
katy wrote:
Joe wrote:
Bart wrote:
Cruising sailboat with a solid glass hull, that are without any
core material or framing, are either very ____ or very
_____. 1 pt
Junk or Junk???

If you wan't a real boat without frames of any type have a strong
Yacht buildt out of Aluminum. If I could afford a new build this would
be the boat.

http://www.strongyachts.com/images/d...endering_3.jpg

No framing what so ever.

Joe

number of years ago (maybe Max will remember this) a German couple
doing a Great Cruise, stayed at my former marina for a little while with
their aluminum sailboat. Was very nice all round but the woman said
that it was hard to heat in the cold weather and that they had sweating
problems inside.


Sounds like insulation problems. On Redcloud we have no problem
heating the boat, use one little 4"X6" ceramic heater all winter. We
have 2" of insulation with 2 vapor barriers and 2 radiant barriers.

Joe

Texas winter compared to North Sea winter or Michigan
winter???bwhahahahahaha

Capt. Rob October 5th 06 02:41 PM

Solid Glass Hulls
 
People in glass sailboats shouldn't stow thrones.





Excellent!




RB
35s5
NY


Gilligan October 5th 06 02:52 PM

Solid Glass Hulls
 

"katy" wrote in message
...
Joe wrote:
Bart wrote:
Cruising sailboat with a solid glass hull, that are without any
core material or framing, are either very ____ or very
_____. 1 pt


Junk or Junk???

If you wan't a real boat without frames of any type have a strong
Yacht buildt out of Aluminum. If I could afford a new build this would
be the boat.

http://www.strongyachts.com/images/d...endering_3.jpg

No framing what so ever.

Joe

number of years ago (maybe Max will remember this) a German couple doing
a Great Cruise, stayed at my former marina for a little while with their
aluminum sailboat. Was very nice all round but the woman said that it was
hard to heat in the cold weather and that they had sweating problems
inside.


The same problems exist with fiberglass. The sweat is absorbed into the
porosity of the glass. The R factor for fiberglass and metal isn't much
different at those thicknesses.



Gilligan October 5th 06 02:54 PM

Solid Glass Hulls
 

"katy" wrote in message
...
Walt wrote:
Bart wrote:
Cruising sailboat with a solid glass hull, that are without any
core material or framing, are either very ____ or very
_____. 1 pt

heavy - flexible

And of course with a solid glass hull you can't have a head below decks.



The reason?





Wait for it...











People in glass sailboats shouldn't stow thrones.



Sorry.

//Wal


If you drill a thru hull it's not solid anymore?


Unless it is a Kline hull:

http://www.kleinbottle.com/kline_bottle.htm






katy October 5th 06 03:16 PM

Solid Glass Hulls
 
Gilligan wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...
Joe wrote:
Bart wrote:
Cruising sailboat with a solid glass hull, that are without any
core material or framing, are either very ____ or very
_____. 1 pt
Junk or Junk???

If you wan't a real boat without frames of any type have a strong
Yacht buildt out of Aluminum. If I could afford a new build this would
be the boat.

http://www.strongyachts.com/images/d...endering_3.jpg

No framing what so ever.

Joe

number of years ago (maybe Max will remember this) a German couple doing
a Great Cruise, stayed at my former marina for a little while with their
aluminum sailboat. Was very nice all round but the woman said that it was
hard to heat in the cold weather and that they had sweating problems
inside.


The same problems exist with fiberglass. The sweat is absorbed into the
porosity of the glass. The R factor for fiberglass and metal isn't much
different at those thicknesses.


My boat doesn't sweat...it's just dewy....

Gilligan October 5th 06 03:30 PM

Solid Glass Hulls
 

"katy" wrote in message
...
Gilligan wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...
Joe wrote:
Bart wrote:
Cruising sailboat with a solid glass hull, that are without any
core material or framing, are either very ____ or very
_____. 1 pt
Junk or Junk???

If you wan't a real boat without frames of any type have a strong
Yacht buildt out of Aluminum. If I could afford a new build this would
be the boat.

http://www.strongyachts.com/images/d...endering_3.jpg

No framing what so ever.

Joe

number of years ago (maybe Max will remember this) a German couple
doing a Great Cruise, stayed at my former marina for a little while with
their aluminum sailboat. Was very nice all round but the woman said
that it was hard to heat in the cold weather and that they had sweating
problems inside.


The same problems exist with fiberglass. The sweat is absorbed into the
porosity of the glass. The R factor for fiberglass and metal isn't much
different at those thicknesses.

My boat doesn't sweat...it's just dewy....


My boat farts. Really



katy October 5th 06 04:20 PM

Solid Glass Hulls
 
Gilligan wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...
Gilligan wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...
Joe wrote:
Bart wrote:
Cruising sailboat with a solid glass hull, that are without any
core material or framing, are either very ____ or very
_____. 1 pt
Junk or Junk???

If you wan't a real boat without frames of any type have a strong
Yacht buildt out of Aluminum. If I could afford a new build this would
be the boat.

http://www.strongyachts.com/images/d...endering_3.jpg

No framing what so ever.

Joe

number of years ago (maybe Max will remember this) a German couple
doing a Great Cruise, stayed at my former marina for a little while with
their aluminum sailboat. Was very nice all round but the woman said
that it was hard to heat in the cold weather and that they had sweating
problems inside.
The same problems exist with fiberglass. The sweat is absorbed into the
porosity of the glass. The R factor for fiberglass and metal isn't much
different at those thicknesses.

My boat doesn't sweat...it's just dewy....


My boat farts. Really


You're using soybean fuel?

Joe October 5th 06 04:27 PM

Solid Glass Hulls
 

Gilligan wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...
Joe wrote:
Bart wrote:
Cruising sailboat with a solid glass hull, that are without any
core material or framing, are either very ____ or very
_____. 1 pt

Junk or Junk???

If you wan't a real boat without frames of any type have a strong
Yacht buildt out of Aluminum. If I could afford a new build this would
be the boat.

http://www.strongyachts.com/images/d...endering_3.jpg

No framing what so ever.

Joe

number of years ago (maybe Max will remember this) a German couple doing
a Great Cruise, stayed at my former marina for a little while with their
aluminum sailboat. Was very nice all round but the woman said that it was
hard to heat in the cold weather and that they had sweating problems
inside.


The same problems exist with fiberglass. The sweat is absorbed into the
porosity of the glass. The R factor for fiberglass and metal isn't much
different at those thicknesses.


Thats right, fiberglass is a sponge.

Myths About Aluminum Boats

They are noisy! - Not true. In fact, a well built aluminum vessel with
proper soundproofing is often quieter than an equivalent fiberglass
boat.

They are cold and damp! - Not true. Our hulls and decks are fully
insulated and our cabins are as dry and cozy as any boat built of wood
or fiberglass - and much less likely to leak.

It's difficult to install hull fittings! - Not true. To install hull
fittings, simply drill and tap into the hull and use a stainless steel
fastener. In fact, you can work aluminum using many ordinary
woodworking tools.

Aluminum is prone to corrosion, oxidation and electrolysis. - Not true.
Today's marine grade aluminum is highly resistant to corrosion. Some
surface oxidation may occur, but this in no way affects the strength or
integrity of the aluminum. Electrolysis and other potential corrosion
issues can all be avoided through good construction and maintenance

You cannot paint aluminum. - Not true. With proper preparation and the
application of the correct primers and undercoats, aluminum holds paint
very well.


Frank Boettcher October 5th 06 05:13 PM

Solid Glass Hulls
 
On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 23:17:21 -0400, "Bart" .@. wrote:

Cruising sailboat with a solid glass hull, that are without any
core material or framing, are either very ____ or very
_____. 1 pt


Do they exist? Many, in fact I would suspect most, do not have core
in the hull area, with the core being in the cabin trunk area,
foredeck and walkways, however I have never heard of one without
framing, either a structural grid, longitudinal stringers, or
T-bulkhead supports or some combination of all of them.

But, here goes

Flexible
Split

Frank

Capt. Rob October 5th 06 05:27 PM

Solid Glass Hulls
 

Do they exist?


Looks like Bart is clueless yet again. I'm off to clean the boat for a
long weekend of sailing!



RB
35s5
NY


Scotty October 5th 06 06:11 PM

Solid Glass Hulls
 
The WEEKEND WARRIOR speaks up.


"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com..
..

Do they exist?


Looks like Bart is clueless yet again. I'm off to clean

the boat for a
long weekend of sailing!



RB
35s5
NY




Joe October 5th 06 06:44 PM

Clear acrylic dinks
 

http://www.bluewater.pwp.blueyonder..../seeshell.html


Joe October 7th 06 03:05 PM

Solid Glass Hulls
 

Bart wrote:
Cruising sailboat with a solid glass hull, that are without any
core material or framing, are either very ____ or very
_____. 1 pt


You going to divy up points or not?

Joe


DSK October 9th 06 08:21 PM

Solid Glass Hulls
 
Bart wrote:

Cruising sailboat with a solid glass hull, that are without any
core material or framing, are either very ____ or very
_____. 1 pt



"transparent"

"opaque"

Oh wait, you probably meant FIBERglass, that would make it
either very heavy and/or very weak.

Is this like those Mad Libs party booklets? Those were a lot
of fun.

Can I donate my points to charity, I already have far more
than I can legally bequeath to my heirs...

DSK


Bart October 9th 06 11:44 PM

Solid Glass Hulls
 
Two points to Walt, and I'll give honorable mention
to Jon for being somewhat close.

Walt wrote:

Bart wrote:
Cruising sailboat with a solid glass hull, that are without any
core material or framing, are either very ____ or very
_____. 1 pt


heavy - flexible




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