"Walt" wrote in message
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Gilligan wrote:
"Capt. JG" wrote
There is absolute consensus. Human beings are a significant contributor,
and it's obvious if you look at the data. All reputable scientists
understand that.

Really?

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/conten...i;308/5723/847


ftp://ftp.ngdc.noaa.gov/STP/SOLAR_DA...MPOSITE.v2.PDF

ftp://ftp.ngdc.noaa.gov/STP/SOLAR_DA...O_VIRGO.v2.PDF

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Lib...crimsat_2.html

http://www.worldclimatereport.com/in...solar-warming/

http://www.sciencebits.com/CO2orSolar

Yeah, really, Glen. From your links:

"We estimate that the sun contributed as much as 45–50% of the 1900–2000
global warming, and 25–35% of the 1980–2000 global warming."

IOW, some scientists published a model where about a quarter of the global
warming is explained by solar variation. That hardly refutes the fact
that there's a consensus about the reality of the earth becoming warmer.
Or the consensus view that human behavior is a factor.

You are trying to stir up controversy where none exists, and then say
"see, there's no consensus". It's disingenuous, and I'm not sure what you
are attempting to accomplish by it.

Please see http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/conten.../306/5702/1686 for a
survey view of consensus scientific opinion.

//Walt

Consensus does not make fact. Phlogiston theory was a consensus. Mars is
experiencing global warming too:

http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...ge_031208.html

http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=17977

The sun is the only thing common to Mars and Earth.

The sun's output is increasing, there is even a "consensus" on that:

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/...rradiance.html

http://www.washtimes.com/world/20040...5714-6334r.htm

I say that human activity will not warm the planet. During every heat spike
over the last million years, the temperature rapidly dropped. Look he

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_record


Global warming is at best a transient phenomena. The temperature will always
go to some long term average value. It has for millions of years. Why is it
different this time?

Interesting and related read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult