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Wire Rigging for Ships
Wire Rigging for Ships
Wire rigging for ships: - The Liverpool Courier says three-fourths of all the ships now fitted out of Liverpool are rigged with wire rope. It is described as a fourth less in weight, and not on-half the bulk of that made of hemp, and the cost is also 25 per cent less. It is much less susceptible than hemp of atmospheric changes, and it is predicted that in a few years it will supersede hemp rope for standing rigging. A recent trial of wire, hemp and Manilla ropes was recently made at the King's dock, Liverpool. The straining tests showed the immense superiority of wire rope over that made even of the best fibrous material. The testing of the hempen ropes proved the strength of Manilla to be far superior to Russian hemp, taking many of the merchants, shipmasters and riggers present by surprise, as a different opinion had been entertained by many of the gentlemen present. The English have the advantage of us in regard to iron ships was well as wire rigging, on account of the cheapness of material. Iron ship are increasing in number in England, and in many respects they are superior to wood, but they can not be built here until iron becomes cheaper. An iron ship in England cost only about the same as a first-class wooden ship, but in the United States would probably cost three times as much as a wood-built ship. The depreciation on an iron ship is much less than one of wood, and when the iron vessel is worn out, the old material will go far towards paying for new. These are important considerations. There is no one thing which we so much need, as the ability to produce iron as cheaply as England. We have the crude materials in abundance, cropping out on the surface of the earth instead of being compelled to dig hundreds of feet deep for it, but we need the skill and the labor which is requisite. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Daily Traveller, Boston, 1857 August 31. |
Wire Rigging for Ships
Bart wrote:
Wire Rigging for Ships Wire rigging for ships: - The Liverpool Courier says three-fourths of all the ships now fitted out of Liverpool are rigged with wire rope. It is described as a fourth less in weight, and not on-half the bulk of that made of hemp, and the cost is also 25 per cent less..... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Daily Traveller, Boston, 1857 August 31. Interesting article, I wish it had described the tests & testing gear more thoroughly. This is about the time (mid 1850s) that England's iron production had gone through several very quick cycles of evolution. As the author noted, the U.S. had many unrealized advantages over England and should be producing more... in a short while this was to happen. And the whole business was used a few years later to piggy-back mass production & utilization of that marvelous hi-tech material, steel. DSK |
Wire Rigging for Ships
It's a fad. It won't last.
Scotty "Bart" wrote in message ups.com... Wire Rigging for Ships Wire rigging for ships: - The Liverpool Courier says three-fourths of all the ships now fitted out of Liverpool are rigged with wire rope. It is described as a fourth less in weight, and not on-half the bulk of that made of hemp, and the cost is also 25 per cent less. It is much less susceptible than hemp of atmospheric changes, and it is predicted that in a few years it will supersede hemp rope for standing rigging. A recent trial of wire, hemp and Manilla ropes was recently made at the King's dock, Liverpool. The straining tests showed the immense superiority of wire rope over that made even of the best fibrous material. The testing of the hempen ropes proved the strength of Manilla to be far superior to Russian hemp, taking many of the merchants, shipmasters and riggers present by surprise, as a different opinion had been entertained by many of the gentlemen present. The English have the advantage of us in regard to iron ships was well as wire rigging, on account of the cheapness of material. Iron ship are increasing in number in England, and in many respects they are superior to wood, but they can not be built here until iron becomes cheaper. An iron ship in England cost only about the same as a first-class wooden ship, but in the United States would probably cost three times as much as a wood-built ship. The depreciation on an iron ship is much less than one of wood, and when the iron vessel is worn out, the old material will go far towards paying for new. These are important considerations. There is no one thing which we so much need, as the ability to produce iron as cheaply as England. We have the crude materials in abundance, cropping out on the surface of the earth instead of being compelled to dig hundreds of feet deep for it, but we need the skill and the labor which is requisite. ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------- Daily Traveller, Boston, 1857 August 31. |
Wire Rigging for Ships
Bart wrote:
Wire Rigging for Ships Wire rigging for ships: - The Liverpool Courier says three-fourths of all the ships now fitted out of Liverpool are rigged with wire rope. It is described as a fourth less in weight, and not on-half the bulk of that made of hemp, and the cost is also 25 per cent less. It is much less susceptible than hemp of atmospheric changes, and it is predicted that in a few years it will supersede hemp rope for standing rigging. A recent trial of wire, hemp and Manilla ropes was recently made at the King's dock, Liverpool. The straining tests showed the immense superiority of wire rope over that made even of the best fibrous material. The testing of the hempen ropes proved the strength of Manilla to be far superior to Russian hemp, taking many of the merchants, shipmasters and riggers present by surprise, as a different opinion had been entertained by many of the gentlemen present. The English have the advantage of us in regard to iron ships was well as wire rigging, on account of the cheapness of material. Iron ship are increasing in number in England, and in many respects they are superior to wood, but they can not be built here until iron becomes cheaper. An iron ship in England cost only about the same as a first-class wooden ship, but in the United States would probably cost three times as much as a wood-built ship. The depreciation on an iron ship is much less than one of wood, and when the iron vessel is worn out, the old material will go far towards paying for new. These are important considerations. There is no one thing which we so much need, as the ability to produce iron as cheaply as England. We have the crude materials in abundance, cropping out on the surface of the earth instead of being compelled to dig hundreds of feet deep for it, but we need the skill and the labor which is requisite. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Daily Traveller, Boston, 1857 August 31. Too bad...the smell of hemp ropes is a nostalgic thing...maybe they can put it in spray cans so they can spray it around boats fitted with wire to keep the atmosphere... |
Wire Rigging for Ships
they'll build a boat that simply cannot sink!
Scout "Scotty" wrote in message . .. It's a fad. It won't last. Scotty "Bart" wrote in message ups.com... Wire Rigging for Ships Wire rigging for ships: - The Liverpool Courier says three-fourths of all the ships now fitted out of Liverpool are rigged with wire rope. It is described as a fourth less in weight, and not on-half the bulk of that made of hemp, and the cost is also 25 per cent less. It is much less susceptible than hemp of atmospheric changes, and it is predicted that in a few years it will supersede hemp rope for standing rigging. A recent trial of wire, hemp and Manilla ropes was recently made at the King's dock, Liverpool. The straining tests showed the immense superiority of wire rope over that made even of the best fibrous material. The testing of the hempen ropes proved the strength of Manilla to be far superior to Russian hemp, taking many of the merchants, shipmasters and riggers present by surprise, as a different opinion had been entertained by many of the gentlemen present. The English have the advantage of us in regard to iron ships was well as wire rigging, on account of the cheapness of material. Iron ship are increasing in number in England, and in many respects they are superior to wood, but they can not be built here until iron becomes cheaper. An iron ship in England cost only about the same as a first-class wooden ship, but in the United States would probably cost three times as much as a wood-built ship. The depreciation on an iron ship is much less than one of wood, and when the iron vessel is worn out, the old material will go far towards paying for new. These are important considerations. There is no one thing which we so much need, as the ability to produce iron as cheaply as England. We have the crude materials in abundance, cropping out on the surface of the earth instead of being compelled to dig hundreds of feet deep for it, but we need the skill and the labor which is requisite. ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------- Daily Traveller, Boston, 1857 August 31. |
Wire Rigging for Ships
Scotty wrote: It's a fad. It won't last. Your boat is a by product of Oil.. And you call steel a fad.. Joe Scotty "Bart" wrote in message ups.com... Wire Rigging for Ships Wire rigging for ships: - The Liverpool Courier says three-fourths of all the ships now fitted out of Liverpool are rigged with wire rope. It is described as a fourth less in weight, and not on-half the bulk of that made of hemp, and the cost is also 25 per cent less. It is much less susceptible than hemp of atmospheric changes, and it is predicted that in a few years it will supersede hemp rope for standing rigging. A recent trial of wire, hemp and Manilla ropes was recently made at the King's dock, Liverpool. The straining tests showed the immense superiority of wire rope over that made even of the best fibrous material. The testing of the hempen ropes proved the strength of Manilla to be far superior to Russian hemp, taking many of the merchants, shipmasters and riggers present by surprise, as a different opinion had been entertained by many of the gentlemen present. The English have the advantage of us in regard to iron ships was well as wire rigging, on account of the cheapness of material. Iron ship are increasing in number in England, and in many respects they are superior to wood, but they can not be built here until iron becomes cheaper. An iron ship in England cost only about the same as a first-class wooden ship, but in the United States would probably cost three times as much as a wood-built ship. The depreciation on an iron ship is much less than one of wood, and when the iron vessel is worn out, the old material will go far towards paying for new. These are important considerations. There is no one thing which we so much need, as the ability to produce iron as cheaply as England. We have the crude materials in abundance, cropping out on the surface of the earth instead of being compelled to dig hundreds of feet deep for it, but we need the skill and the labor which is requisite. ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------- Daily Traveller, Boston, 1857 August 31. |
Wire Rigging for Ships
katy wrote: Too bad...the smell of hemp ropes is a nostalgic thing...maybe they can put it in spray cans so they can spray it around boats fitted with wire to keep the atmosphere... I agree, you may be on to a good money making ideal. I would like several nautical smells put in spray cans. Cypress Boat Cabin Oyster Reef at low tide Spec Trout Water Mellon Windward shore Mud Open Ocean Breeze Crazy Cajan Crab Boil And to spray people you hate! 3 day old Failed Freezer Squid Holding Tank Horror Poggie Boats of Cameron And Fish Oil Spray Joe |
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katysails wrote:
Too bad...the smell of hemp ropes is a nostalgic thing...maybe they can put it in spray cans so they can spray it around boats fitted with wire to keep the atmosphere... Maybe the same folks would like clip-on gaff sails (tanbark of course), instant baggywrinkle, and scurvy pills (one that give you scurvy, not cure it). For that old-time deep-sea feeling. Joe wrote: I agree, you may be on to a good money making ideal. I would like several nautical smells put in spray cans. Cypress Boat Cabin Oyster Reef at low tide Spec Trout Water Mellon Windward shore Mud Open Ocean Breeze Crazy Cajan Crab Boil Don't forget these additions "Fresh Paint" (available in Topsides or Anti-Fouling) "Faint Whiff of Reliable & Well-Tuned Engine" For the West Coasters, "Sea Lion on Nearby Channel Bouy" And to spray people you hate! 3 day old Failed Freezer Squid Holding Tank Horror Poggie Boats of Cameron And Fish Oil Spray Gets rid of unwanted guests & mothers-in-law. How about one of my favorites, "Burnt Wiring" They already sell CDs of nautical sounds, but clearly there is room for expansion in this market. DSK |
Wire Rigging for Ships
Scout wrote:
they'll build a boat that simply cannot sink! Scout "Scotty" wrote in message . .. It's a fad. It won't last. Scotty "Bart" wrote in message ups.com... Wire Rigging for Ships Wire rigging for ships: - The Liverpool Courier says three-fourths of all the ships now fitted out of Liverpool are rigged with wire rope. It is described as a fourth less in weight, and not on-half the bulk of that made of hemp, and the cost is also 25 per cent less. It is much less susceptible than hemp of atmospheric changes, and it is predicted that in a few years it will supersede hemp rope for standing rigging. A recent trial of wire, hemp and Manilla ropes was recently made at the King's dock, Liverpool. The straining tests showed the immense superiority of wire rope over that made even of the best fibrous material. The testing of the hempen ropes proved the strength of Manilla to be far superior to Russian hemp, taking many of the merchants, shipmasters and riggers present by surprise, as a different opinion had been entertained by many of the gentlemen present. The English have the advantage of us in regard to iron ships was well as wire rigging, on account of the cheapness of material. Iron ship are increasing in number in England, and in many respects they are superior to wood, but they can not be built here until iron becomes cheaper. An iron ship in England cost only about the same as a first-class wooden ship, but in the United States would probably cost three times as much as a wood-built ship. The depreciation on an iron ship is much less than one of wood, and when the iron vessel is worn out, the old material will go far towards paying for new. These are important considerations. There is no one thing which we so much need, as the ability to produce iron as cheaply as England. We have the crude materials in abundance, cropping out on the surface of the earth instead of being compelled to dig hundreds of feet deep for it, but we need the skill and the labor which is requisite. ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------- Daily Traveller, Boston, 1857 August 31. They did that already...it sank.... |
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Joe wrote:
katy wrote: Too bad...the smell of hemp ropes is a nostalgic thing...maybe they can put it in spray cans so they can spray it around boats fitted with wire to keep the atmosphere... I agree, you may be on to a good money making ideal. I would like several nautical smells put in spray cans. Cypress Boat Cabin Oyster Reef at low tide you must have better smelling oyster reefs than we do...out stink if its hot... Spec Trout Water Mellon They have melon sprays already but mixed with speckled trout? yech.... Windward shore Mud Open Ocean Breeze Crazy Cajan Crab Boil And to spray people you hate! 3 day old Failed Freezer Squid gag Holding Tank Horror been there...that's a bad one... Poggie Boats of Cameron never smelled one but I'm assuming it must be pretty bad And Fish Oil Spray but your cat (and every other cat in the neighbothood) will love you... Joe |
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DSK wrote:
katysails wrote: Too bad...the smell of hemp ropes is a nostalgic thing...maybe they can put it in spray cans so they can spray it around boats fitted with wire to keep the atmosphere... Maybe the same folks would like clip-on gaff sails (tanbark of course), instant baggywrinkle, and scurvy pills (one that give you scurvy, not cure it). For that old-time deep-sea feeling. Joe wrote: I agree, you may be on to a good money making ideal. I would like several nautical smells put in spray cans. Cypress Boat Cabin Oyster Reef at low tide Spec Trout Water Mellon Windward shore Mud Open Ocean Breeze Crazy Cajan Crab Boil Don't forget these additions "Fresh Paint" (available in Topsides or Anti-Fouling) "Faint Whiff of Reliable & Well-Tuned Engine" For the West Coasters, "Sea Lion on Nearby Channel Bouy" And to spray people you hate! 3 day old Failed Freezer Squid Holding Tank Horror Poggie Boats of Cameron And Fish Oil Spray Gets rid of unwanted guests & mothers-in-law. How about one of my favorites, "Burnt Wiring" They already sell CDs of nautical sounds, but clearly there is room for expansion in this market. DSK You ve hit on another idea there....CD's....we could go back to the rude anchorage discussion and make a CD called Banging Halyardsn,Choking Diesel Engine, Bad Carburator Atomic 4, and Seagull Denied.... |
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katy wrote:
Too bad...the smell of hemp ropes is a nostalgic thing...maybe they can put it in spray cans so they can spray it around boats fitted with wire to keep the atmosphere... I'll chainsaw the bottom off an old telephone pole for you Katy, you can cut it into chips and put it in little bags to make creosote sachets! Cheers Marty |
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katy wrote: Joe wrote: katy wrote: Too bad...the smell of hemp ropes is a nostalgic thing...maybe they can put it in spray cans so they can spray it around boats fitted with wire to keep the atmosphere... I agree, you may be on to a good money making ideal. I would like several nautical smells put in spray cans. Cypress Boat Cabin Oyster Reef at low tide you must have better smelling oyster reefs than we do...out stink if its hot... It's an aquired taste. Spec Trout Water Mellon They have melon sprays already but mixed with speckled trout? yech.... No Katy, not many people know this, but a school of speckled trout smell almost exactly like a watermellon patch. I have no ideal why, but have smelled it many times. Windward shore Mud Open Ocean Breeze Crazy Cajan Crab Boil And to spray people you hate! 3 day old Failed Freezer Squid gag No doubt...Had 30 pounds go bad in a walk in once..Even after the clorox scrubbing is was still gaggable. Holding Tank Horror been there...that's a bad one... Poggie Boats of Cameron never smelled one but I'm assuming it must be pretty bad You can smell them over the horizon, they grind the poggies to a paste and the decks are covered with spillage. BTW poggies are the fish used in cat food, and the oil is extracted. Big biz here they purse sain and have helos on the boats to spot schools. A poggie boat Capt can make 2-300K and only work 3 mo a year. And Fish Oil Spray but your cat (and every other cat in the neighbothood) will love you... It's horrid, I had to coat the interior voids of an old workboat with it to slow down the rust, and it was 110 in the shade. I can still taste it...uchhhh joe Joe |
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Good one Doug. lol
DSK wrote: Gets rid of unwanted guests & mothers-in-law. How about one of my favorites, "Burnt Wiring" |
Wire Rigging for Ships
Martin Baxter wrote:
katy wrote: Too bad...the smell of hemp ropes is a nostalgic thing...maybe they can put it in spray cans so they can spray it around boats fitted with wire to keep the atmosphere... I'll chainsaw the bottom off an old telephone pole for you Katy, you can cut it into chips and put it in little bags to make creosote sachets! Cheers Marty mmmm...yum...I like going out to the traintracks and sniffing the railroad tues.... |
Wire Rigging for Ships
katy wrote: Joe wrote: katy wrote: Too bad...the smell of hemp ropes is a nostalgic thing...maybe they can put it in spray cans so they can spray it around boats fitted with wire to keep the atmosphere... I agree, you may be on to a good money making ideal. I would like several nautical smells put in spray cans. Cypress Boat Cabin Oyster Reef at low tide you must have better smelling oyster reefs than we do...out stink if its hot... Spec Trout Water Mellon They have melon sprays already but mixed with speckled trout? yech.... Windward shore Mud Open Ocean Breeze Crazy Cajan Crab Boil And to spray people you hate! 3 day old Failed Freezer Squid gag Holding Tank Horror been there...that's a bad one... Poggie Boats of Cameron never smelled one but I'm assuming it must be pretty bad And Fish Oil Spray but your cat (and every other cat in the neighbothood) will love you... Joe Oh and one other favorite! Cresole covered pilons on a hot summer day. Joe |
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Do you refer to the Seagull outboard motor here? Certainly the noise and
smell of one of those would be highly nostalgic. I have one that is more than 50 years old but I know it will start when I want it. "katy" wrote in message ... DSK wrote: katysails wrote: Too bad...the smell of hemp ropes is a nostalgic thing...maybe they can put it in spray cans so they can spray it around boats fitted with wire to keep the atmosphere... Maybe the same folks would like clip-on gaff sails (tanbark of course), instant baggywrinkle, and scurvy pills (one that give you scurvy, not cure it). For that old-time deep-sea feeling. Joe wrote: I agree, you may be on to a good money making ideal. I would like several nautical smells put in spray cans. Cypress Boat Cabin Oyster Reef at low tide Spec Trout Water Mellon Windward shore Mud Open Ocean Breeze Crazy Cajan Crab Boil Don't forget these additions "Fresh Paint" (available in Topsides or Anti-Fouling) "Faint Whiff of Reliable & Well-Tuned Engine" For the West Coasters, "Sea Lion on Nearby Channel Bouy" And to spray people you hate! 3 day old Failed Freezer Squid Holding Tank Horror Poggie Boats of Cameron And Fish Oil Spray Gets rid of unwanted guests & mothers-in-law. How about one of my favorites, "Burnt Wiring" They already sell CDs of nautical sounds, but clearly there is room for expansion in this market. DSK You ve hit on another idea there....CD's....we could go back to the rude anchorage discussion and make a CD called Banging Halyardsn,Choking Diesel Engine, Bad Carburator Atomic 4, and Seagull Denied.... |
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Edgar wrote:
Do you refer to the Seagull outboard motor here? Certainly the noise and smell of one of those would be highly nostalgic. I have one that is more than 50 years old but I know it will start when I want it. "katy" wrote in message ... DSK wrote: katysails wrote: Too bad...the smell of hemp ropes is a nostalgic thing...maybe they can put it in spray cans so they can spray it around boats fitted with wire to keep the atmosphere... Maybe the same folks would like clip-on gaff sails (tanbark of course), instant baggywrinkle, and scurvy pills (one that give you scurvy, not cure it). For that old-time deep-sea feeling. Joe wrote: I agree, you may be on to a good money making ideal. I would like several nautical smells put in spray cans. Cypress Boat Cabin Oyster Reef at low tide Spec Trout Water Mellon Windward shore Mud Open Ocean Breeze Crazy Cajan Crab Boil Don't forget these additions "Fresh Paint" (available in Topsides or Anti-Fouling) "Faint Whiff of Reliable & Well-Tuned Engine" For the West Coasters, "Sea Lion on Nearby Channel Bouy" And to spray people you hate! 3 day old Failed Freezer Squid Holding Tank Horror Poggie Boats of Cameron And Fish Oil Spray Gets rid of unwanted guests & mothers-in-law. How about one of my favorites, "Burnt Wiring" They already sell CDs of nautical sounds, but clearly there is room for expansion in this market. DSK You ve hit on another idea there....CD's....we could go back to the rude anchorage discussion and make a CD called Banging Halyardsn,Choking Diesel Engine, Bad Carburator Atomic 4, and Seagull Denied.... I was thinking of a squalling bird, but I do have knowledge of the engine you're speaking of and yes, that would also fit.... |
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Edgar wrote:
Do you refer to the Seagull outboard motor here? Certainly the noise and smell of one of those would be highly nostalgic. I have one that is more than 50 years old but I know it will start when I want it. My father had one of these for one of his boats. He really liked it although it seemed a bit cantankerous at the best of times... I could rarely get it to run, and after a while, hated it. Since then I've sailed with other people who have much the same results, including two who were expert mechanics and claimed to know these engines intimately. Maybe the secret to getting a Br-Seagul to "run when you want it" is to only want it when it's already running. Or maybe all the ones I've seen have been under a curse? DSK |
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Once the motor has run in you need to ignore what they say in the
instruction book and cut back on the amount of oil you put in the mixture. Otherwise the plugs keep oiling up. Apart from oiled plugs dirt in the fuel is about the only thing that will prevent it starting when you want it. You only need three tools and you can fix any problem without removing the motor from the boat. And since the water pump impeller is metal not rubber you can run it up ashore clamped in a vice if you are really worried whether it will start sfter being neglected all winter... "DSK" wrote in message .. . Edgar wrote: Do you refer to the Seagull outboard motor here? Certainly the noise and smell of one of those would be highly nostalgic. I have one that is more than 50 years old but I know it will start when I want it. My father had one of these for one of his boats. He really liked it although it seemed a bit cantankerous at the best of times... I could rarely get it to run, and after a while, hated it. Since then I've sailed with other people who have much the same results, including two who were expert mechanics and claimed to know these engines intimately. Maybe the secret to getting a Br-Seagul to "run when you want it" is to only want it when it's already running. Or maybe all the ones I've seen have been under a curse? DSK |
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DSK wrote:
Maybe the secret to getting a Br-Seagul to "run when you want it" is to only want it when it's already running. Or maybe all the ones I've seen have been under a curse? Doug: I think the ones you were dealing are exception, my brother in law has one, 2 Hp. or so, starts and runs like a top, (well maybe more like a treadle powered Singer) It's got a ridiculous 4 blade prop that looks like it was designed by a ten year old, 4 dead straight slaps attached to a hub. Cheers Marty DSK |
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Edgar wrote:
Once the motor has run in you need to ignore what they say in the instruction book and cut back on the amount of oil you put in the mixture. Otherwise the plugs keep oiling up. Apart from oiled plugs dirt in the fuel is about the only thing that will prevent it starting when you want it. You only need three tools and you can fix any problem without removing the motor from the boat. And since the water pump impeller is metal not rubber you can run it up ashore clamped in a vice if you are really worried whether it will start sfter being neglected all winter... "DSK" wrote in message .. . Edgar wrote: Do you refer to the Seagull outboard motor here? Certainly the noise and smell of one of those would be highly nostalgic. I have one that is more than 50 years old but I know it will start when I want it. My father had one of these for one of his boats. He really liked it although it seemed a bit cantankerous at the best of times... I could rarely get it to run, and after a while, hated it. Since then I've sailed with other people who have much the same results, including two who were expert mechanics and claimed to know these engines intimately. Maybe the secret to getting a Br-Seagul to "run when you want it" is to only want it when it's already running. Or maybe all the ones I've seen have been under a curse? DSK I liked the way it sounded..and jigged around...was a cute little engine...had much more charavter than the Merc my Dad finally bought..that was just boring...pull the string and it went... |
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