Well sure, you're in a windy area.

SV


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Wow.. our "big" jib is a 110%. :-)

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"DSK" wrote in message
...
"Scotty" said:
good eye, it's a 130%.


Dave wrote:
That seems to be the recommended size for my boat too
in a RF sail. I'm a
bit reluctant to give up the 150 for those light air
days, of which we
have
a fair number on the Sound even in the Eastern end.

For light air you should have a light 155, and maybe
keep a 140
multi-weight or foam luff on the furler. A 150 is giving
up enough area to
be noticable, plus is likely to be some sailmaker's
concept of a "heavy
#1" which is not a good light air sail. Better than a
140, prob'ly, unless
the 140 is specifically built for a wide range of
conditions.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hey Scotty, looks like the perfect and relaxing trip.

It was. Those 4 days alone were worth the price of a crane.



Just because the skipper of another vessel is an arse..
is no need to
call his passengers " Skank"...... just not nice...and in
that case not
true.

What skipper, I was just generalizing.


The new sail looks great, but why do sail makers not take
in account
the bow rails and let a sail bend around the rail is
beyone me, seems
like that would screw up the effiency of the sail and
cause chaffing.

Thanks Joe. It was fun to make. As soon as I rolled it out
I noticed it on the bow rail. I think I can raise the whole
furler another 4 inches, that might do it. BTW, when I'm
close hauled, sheeted in tight, it is inside the rail.
I don't think chafe should be a problen on those smooth
rails, if it is, I can add a patch.


You boat looks like it's in tip top condition, I'm glad
you got her
back in the water.


Still needs some work ( don't all boats ), but she's good to
go now. Trying to negotiate a longer trip with the boss.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

Dave wrote:
If I correctly understand you, you're suggesting putting a 140 multi-weight
or foam luff on the furler as the regular sail, and removing that from the
furler and replacing it with a light 155 for light air. Yes?

That would be one way, but not really what i meant to suggest.

The multi 140 would most likely be a better sail for light
air then the medium weight 150 you have now; and would offer
good potential to change gears without a lot of work or
expense sunk into sail inventory.

A light 155, and changing down to successive smaller &
heavier sails would be the best way to go; but it also leads
to storing bulky & sometimes wet sails in limited space down
below. The light 155 is not going to roll up well, and is
not going to roller-reef worth a crap. A sail left on a
roller needs to a bit flatter & heavier; to be a good roller
furling sail requires most of the fullness up forward and/or
a foam luff. I have seen a few sails with a very cool
inflatable luff, but am not sure how well these last or who
is making them nowadays (last saw one about ten years ago).

IIRC your boat has an IOR style rig, mast head with small
main & big foretriangle; very much a headsail-driven boat.
If you have only one headsail, since light air is so common
in your area, a 140 seems to me to be about the smallest
you'd want. If you could have 3 headsails, you could get
better performance (especially to windward & in light air)
but that may not be worth it to you, it's hard to justify
the extra work & expense (not to mention giving up much of
the cabin to sail stowage).

A good heavy air jib is also really nice, have you tried a
90% or 100 'blade'? This is a low-clewed narrow & flat sail
for beating, makes a HUGE difference in how the boat goes &
is much easier to handle.

Hope this is a little more clear.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Scotty wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hey Scotty, looks like the perfect and relaxing trip.

It was. Those 4 days alone were worth the price of a crane.



Just because the skipper of another vessel is an arse..
is no need to
call his passengers " Skank"...... just not nice...and in
that case not
true.

What skipper, I was just generalizing.

Bull****! And it's just not nice, beside it will dis-courage him from
posting more pictures.

And it may also dis-courage others from posting pictures of nealy naked
or naked girls on sailboats, it's just not right, so stop it!



The new sail looks great, but why do sail makers not take
in account
the bow rails and let a sail bend around the rail is
beyone me, seems
like that would screw up the effiency of the sail and
cause chaffing.

Thanks Joe. It was fun to make. As soon as I rolled it out
I noticed it on the bow rail. I think I can raise the whole
furler another 4 inches, that might do it. BTW, when I'm
close hauled, sheeted in tight, it is inside the rail.
I don't think chafe should be a problen on those smooth
rails, if it is, I can add a patch.

http://sports.webshots.com/photo/276...63212926qxyWne

I had mine made to clear the rails and provide a bit more visibility.
It's a trade off..a loss of power, but it's nice to see were your
going.


You boat looks like it's in tip top condition, I'm glad
you got her
back in the water.


Still needs some work ( don't all boats ), but she's good to
go now. Trying to negotiate a longer trip with the boss.


Good luck.

Joe


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

The multi 140 would most likely be a better sail for light
air then the medium weight 150 you have now


Dave wrote:
Something like this?

http://www.kappasails.com/sails.htm#reefgen

Yes. Is Kappa local to you? You can get a generic sail like
this, it's been long enough that the technology has filtered
down to the mail-order 3rd-world sweatshop suppliers, but
IMHO a local sailmaker is worth some more money... will be
able to fit the sail properly and should be able to make a
better recommendation (for example, would you want a 145
reefable down to 130 or a 140 reefable down further?); also
will demonstrate how to set it for varying conditions as
well as hammering out any problems.

Here is North's version (the evil empire):
http://www.northsails.com/north_amer...f2_genoas.html

I have not seen a North 'rope luff' which sounds heavier
than foam. Also they have a fancier panel layout, Kappa's
"parallelogram" sail just looks like an old fashioned miter
cut to me. Not that that's bad.

One thing to remember about these sails is that they replace
two sails but are not really a whole headsail inventory in
one. My observation is that they suffer when reefed more
than 10% and at 20% are just as bad as an old single-weight
non-contoured sail.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com..
..

Scotty wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

ups.com...
Hey Scotty, looks like the perfect and relaxing trip.

It was. Those 4 days alone were worth the price of a
crane.



Just because the skipper of another vessel is an
arse..
is no need to
call his passengers " Skank"...... just not nice...and
in
that case not
true.

What skipper, I was just generalizing.

Bull****! And it's just not nice, beside it will
dis-courage him from
posting more pictures.


discourage whom?




Thanks Joe. It was fun to make. As soon as I rolled it
out
I noticed it on the bow rail. I think I can raise the
whole
furler another 4 inches, that might do it. BTW, when I'm
close hauled, sheeted in tight, it is inside the rail.
I don't think chafe should be a problen on those smooth
rails, if it is, I can add a patch.

http://sports.webshots.com/photo/276...63212926qxyWne

I had mine made to clear the rails and provide a bit more
visibility.
It's a trade off..a loss of power, but it's nice to see
were your
going.


Well, I don't have a pilot house, and I like to sit on the
low sode so visability isn't too much of a problem.
Though, the other night I came real close to a green can,
it's light was out and I didn't see it till I was close.




--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

it wasn't a can, it was a buoy.


"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..

"Joe" wrote in message

oups.com..
.

Scotty wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message


ups.com...
Hey Scotty, looks like the perfect and relaxing
trip.

It was. Those 4 days alone were worth the price of a
crane.



Just because the skipper of another vessel is an
arse..
is no need to
call his passengers " Skank"...... just not
nice...and
in
that case not
true.

What skipper, I was just generalizing.

Bull****! And it's just not nice, beside it will
dis-courage him from
posting more pictures.


discourage whom?




Thanks Joe. It was fun to make. As soon as I rolled
it
out
I noticed it on the bow rail. I think I can raise the
whole
furler another 4 inches, that might do it. BTW, when
I'm
close hauled, sheeted in tight, it is inside the rail.
I don't think chafe should be a problen on those
smooth
rails, if it is, I can add a patch.


http://sports.webshots.com/photo/276...63212926qxyWne

I had mine made to clear the rails and provide a bit
more
visibility.
It's a trade off..a loss of power, but it's nice to see
were your
going.


Well, I don't have a pilot house, and I like to sit on the
low sode so visability isn't too much of a problem.
Though, the other night I came real close to a green can,
it's light was out and I didn't see it till I was close.




--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

Oh... I knew it was something. :-)

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..
Well sure, you're in a windy area.

SV


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Wow.. our "big" jib is a 110%. :-)

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"DSK" wrote in message
...
"Scotty" said:
good eye, it's a 130%.


Dave wrote:
That seems to be the recommended size for my boat too
in a RF sail. I'm a
bit reluctant to give up the 150 for those light air
days, of which we
have
a fair number on the Sound even in the Eastern end.

For light air you should have a light 155, and maybe
keep a 140
multi-weight or foam luff on the furler. A 150 is giving
up enough area to
be noticable, plus is likely to be some sailmaker's
concept of a "heavy
#1" which is not a good light air sail. Better than a
140, prob'ly, unless
the 140 is specifically built for a wide range of
conditions.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

According to the rigger who installed my furler, you should try to avoid
raising the jib too much. I guess 4" isn't that big of a deal, but I thought
I'm mention it.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scotty" wrote in message
news
"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hey Scotty, looks like the perfect and relaxing trip.

It was. Those 4 days alone were worth the price of a crane.



Just because the skipper of another vessel is an arse..
is no need to
call his passengers " Skank"...... just not nice...and in
that case not
true.

What skipper, I was just generalizing.


The new sail looks great, but why do sail makers not take
in account
the bow rails and let a sail bend around the rail is
beyone me, seems
like that would screw up the effiency of the sail and
cause chaffing.

Thanks Joe. It was fun to make. As soon as I rolled it out
I noticed it on the bow rail. I think I can raise the whole
furler another 4 inches, that might do it. BTW, when I'm
close hauled, sheeted in tight, it is inside the rail.
I don't think chafe should be a problen on those smooth
rails, if it is, I can add a patch.


You boat looks like it's in tip top condition, I'm glad
you got her
back in the water.


Still needs some work ( don't all boats ), but she's good to
go now. Trying to negotiate a longer trip with the boss.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

did he say why?


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
According to the rigger who installed my furler, you
should try to avoid
raising the jib too much. I guess 4" isn't that big of a
deal, but I thought
I'm mention it.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scotty" wrote in message
news
"Joe" wrote in message

ups.com...
Hey Scotty, looks like the perfect and relaxing trip.

It was. Those 4 days alone were worth the price of a
crane.



Just because the skipper of another vessel is an
arse..
is no need to
call his passengers " Skank"...... just not nice...and
in
that case not
true.

What skipper, I was just generalizing.


The new sail looks great, but why do sail makers not
take
in account
the bow rails and let a sail bend around the rail is
beyone me, seems
like that would screw up the effiency of the sail and
cause chaffing.

Thanks Joe. It was fun to make. As soon as I rolled it
out
I noticed it on the bow rail. I think I can raise the
whole
furler another 4 inches, that might do it. BTW, when I'm
close hauled, sheeted in tight, it is inside the rail.
I don't think chafe should be a problen on those smooth
rails, if it is, I can add a patch.


You boat looks like it's in tip top condition, I'm
glad
you got her
back in the water.


Still needs some work ( don't all boats ), but she's
good to
go now. Trying to negotiate a longer trip with the boss.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_