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LBJ wanted single teeage girls to stay home and make babies?? Come on...

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:24:13 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

And if it hadn't been for paying single teenage girls to stay home and
make
babies.

Who did that?

That gummint you want us to hand over our paychecks to. Part of your
beloved
Great Society.

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Yeah, but you're a lawyer, so that might be the explanation. :-)

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 17:51:06 -0400, DSK said:

If it hadn't been for Vietnam, the GS would have had a chance.


I would say on the whole that Johnson's 'Great Society' was
more of a success than Nixon's Viet Nam.

That's called damning with faint praise. Or justifying bad decisions by
pointing to other bad decisions.

Dave wrote:
And if it hadn't been for the torching of our major cities.

??
Are you getting 'Great Society' confused with the Rural
Electrification Program? Torches were unnecessary.

If you lived through it it would not be a laughing matter. I was living in
Washington when a large chunk of the city was burned. I remember having
bottles thrown at my car while driving on the first night of riots, the
broken out store fronts at the shopping center on the corner, the National
Guard at intersections, and seeing a guy living down the hall take a
shotgun
out of his trunk and into his apartment just in case. Not a fun time.

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Sorry, but we already do that.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 03:08:34 GMT, "Maxprop"
said:

I find it amusing that you and the left wing are the first to condemn
Bush
for his role with big oil, but turn around and advocate $5 per gallon
gasoline.

That's pretty much of a piece with their other positions--more taxes so
gumming bureaucrats can redistribute money from those who earned it to
those
who didn't.


Yes, that's exactly what I want. It would, for one thing, reduce crime.
It would be far cheaper to invest in education and give people a handout
than put them in prison after they've victimized people.

You've done the math on that?


I know this upsets you. I'm sorry.

More than upsetting, it is simply wrong. When one's wealth is taken away
and given to others to equalize the relative wealth of a society, the
stimulus for self-improvement and personal growth is removed. Ultimately
no one works hard enough to accumulate enough wealth for the process of
redistribution, leading to universal poverty. See: Soviet Russia and
Cuba for examples.

Max

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No... of every "capitalistic" society.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 03:08:34 GMT, "Maxprop" said:

I find it amusing that you and the left wing are the first to condemn
Bush
for his role with big oil, but turn around and advocate $5 per gallon
gasoline.

That's pretty much of a piece with their other positions--more taxes so
gumming bureaucrats can redistribute money from those who earned it to
those
who didn't.

Redistribution of wealth--a fundamental tenet of liberal philosophy.

Max

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
link.net...

"Gilligan" wrote in message
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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"katy" wrote in message
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Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article , Bart Senior .@. wrote:
Gore/Chavez '08

Cheney/Robertson '08 - we're not going to live forever anyway.

Dick Cheney will never run...his health is on the brink...he'd meltdown
before the world did....

Right. I'm hoping for a Rumsfeld/Scooter Libby team in '08.

Max


Quayle/Forbes in 08. I'm going to vote for Goldwater, again.

That damned liberal??

Max

The damned libertarian.

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Capt. JG wrote:
LBJ wanted single teeage girls to stay home and make babies?? Come on...

I'm sure that wasn't his intent but that is what happened...I could
write a book on how the system is played from my experiences dealing
with it in Human Resources..it is very frustrating trying to help
someone get a good job, start them on their way to self-sufficiency only
to have them throw it all away for the public weldare...

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Maxprop wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article t,
Maxprop wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article .com,
Joe wrote:
Gilligan wrote:
http://reuters.myway.com/article/200...A-SPAT-DC.html
Baby Hugo is a wacko.

Anyone who buys Citco gasoline is putting money in his pocket.
We have one down the street, Regular is 2.07 but right across the
street Exxon Mobil is 2.09.

They are always 2 - 3 cents cheaper so they can suck in the dumb ****s
to stupid to know any better.
We should be paying $5/gallon.
Why? So the working poor will not be able to get to work? So those
without
the means to buy gasoline to fuel their cheap, older, but consumptive
vehicles will become completely insolvent, rather than just partially so?
So your Yugo will be vindicated?
So those who can afford to pay it will be forced to pay it. There
should be exemptions for the poor and for those who drive for a
living.

I, you, and most of the people on this ng can afford to pay
$5/gallon.

Of course. But many can't. How are you going to administer exemptions for
the working poor? The cost of the gummint's exemption program would
probably exceed the revenue taken in via the increased gasoline revenues.
Or hadn't you noticed how incredibly inefficient our federal gummint is?

Max


Shish..next thing you're going to have him suggesting we go to ration
coupons...

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Maxprop wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...
Maxprop wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...
Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article , Bart Senior .@. wrote:
Gore/Chavez '08
Cheney/Robertson '08 - we're not going to live forever anyway.

Dick Cheney will never run...his health is on the brink...he'd meltdown
before the world did....
Right. I'm hoping for a Rumsfeld/Scooter Libby team in '08.

Max
Yuk....no way....I like the Quayle/Forbes better than that....Mark Warner
looks better and better all the time...

Hillary/Pelosi. Now there's a team.

Max


Fir rollerball?

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DSK wrote:
If it hadn't been for Vietnam, the GS would have had a chance.


I would say on the whole that Johnson's 'Great Society' was more of a
success than Nixon's Viet Nam.


Dave wrote:
And if it hadn't been for the torching of our major cities.

??
Are you getting 'Great Society' confused with the Rural Electrification
Program? Torches were unnecessary.


And if it hadn't been for paying single teenage girls to stay home
and make
babies.

It's about sex, isn't it? Poor people shouldn't be gettin' any! Neither
should Democrats!!

DSK

Spay and neuter them all, I say!!!!

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Maxprop wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article t,
Maxprop wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article .com,
Joe wrote:
Gilligan wrote:
http://reuters.myway.com/article/200...A-SPAT-DC.html
Baby Hugo is a wacko.

Anyone who buys Citco gasoline is putting money in his pocket.
We have one down the street, Regular is 2.07 but right across the
street Exxon Mobil is 2.09.

They are always 2 - 3 cents cheaper so they can suck in the dumb ****s
to stupid to know any better.
We should be paying $5/gallon.
I find it amusing that you and the left wing are the first to condemn Bush
for his role with big oil, but turn around and advocate $5 per gallon
gasoline.
It should be in the form of a gas tax. Big oil has nothing to do with
it.

I'd much rather the additional cost of gasoline be in the form of profits to
big oil than in the form of additional federal gas taxes. The government
needs to learn to live within its means. Just dumping more revenue into
Washington won't solve anything. And the bottom line: the working poor
still won't be able to fill their vehicles with gasoline, regardless of
where the money goes.

You live in an area with relative affluence. Around here we have lots of
po' folk, and I watch them struggle with the price of fuel every time I go
to the pumps. Most of them own the only vehicles they can afford--big old,
poorly-running American cars with horrible fuel economy. I put gas in one
elderly woman's car one morning. She had put in $2 worth--all she
had--which was not even a gallon. She had to drive to a friend's funeral in
a nearby town and she was worried that she wouldn't make it, let alone get
home. So I put in $20 worth--it was the most that had been put in that old
junk heap in over a year, she said.

I recall John Kerry advocating much higher fuel prices during the campaign,
ostensibly in order to force people and automakers to gravitate to more
economical vehicles, and to encourage alternative energy schemes. Sounds
great on paper, but no one seems to care that a large segment of our
population will suffer under such artificially-high fuel prices.

Max



It also hits small business in a big way...my son-in-law runs a tree
service. It's him and a part-time guy that comes along when he has to
climb to handle the ropes...his business is gas intensive...the chipper
wagon, the stump grinder, the various chain saws, his loader...when he
tried to pass on the increased cost of gas in his estimates, he started
to lose business. So instead, he is now quoting his old prices and
working a midnight shift job to boot...what;s right about that? I'm sure
most farmer's are in the same boat, as well as landscape guys...even
with the ag benefits on diesel, it's still horrendous...and when gas
goes up, so does everything else...so then you not only have people
unable to go anywhere, they also can't afford to buy gresh vegetables
tha thacve been tricked in at exorbiatant prices.

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Gilligan wrote:
"Maxprop" wrote in message
link.net...
"Gilligan" wrote in message
. ..
"Maxprop" wrote in message
.net...
"katy" wrote in message
...
Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article , Bart Senior .@. wrote:
Gore/Chavez '08
Cheney/Robertson '08 - we're not going to live forever anyway.

Dick Cheney will never run...his health is on the brink...he'd meltdown
before the world did....
Right. I'm hoping for a Rumsfeld/Scooter Libby team in '08.

Max

Quayle/Forbes in 08. I'm going to vote for Goldwater, again.
That damned liberal??

Max

The damned libertarian.


At least he wasn't a libertine...

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Hmmm...... not a bad idea. :-)

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"katy" wrote in message
...
Maxprop wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article t,
Maxprop wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article .com,
Joe wrote:
Gilligan wrote:
http://reuters.myway.com/article/200...A-SPAT-DC.html
Baby Hugo is a wacko.

Anyone who buys Citco gasoline is putting money in his pocket.
We have one down the street, Regular is 2.07 but right across the
street Exxon Mobil is 2.09.

They are always 2 - 3 cents cheaper so they can suck in the dumb
****s
to stupid to know any better.
We should be paying $5/gallon.
Why? So the working poor will not be able to get to work? So those
without
the means to buy gasoline to fuel their cheap, older, but consumptive
vehicles will become completely insolvent, rather than just partially
so?
So your Yugo will be vindicated?
So those who can afford to pay it will be forced to pay it. There
should be exemptions for the poor and for those who drive for a
living.

I, you, and most of the people on this ng can afford to pay
$5/gallon.

Of course. But many can't. How are you going to administer exemptions
for the working poor? The cost of the gummint's exemption program would
probably exceed the revenue taken in via the increased gasoline revenues.
Or hadn't you noticed how incredibly inefficient our federal gummint is?

Max
Shish..next thing you're going to have him suggesting we go to ration
coupons...

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Well, that's certainly changed... in fact during Clinton's presidency.
Ooops.

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"katy" wrote in message
...
Capt. JG wrote:
LBJ wanted single teeage girls to stay home and make babies?? Come on...

I'm sure that wasn't his intent but that is what happened...I could write
a book on how the system is played from my experiences dealing with it in
Human Resources..it is very frustrating trying to help someone get a good
job, start them on their way to self-sufficiency only to have them throw
it all away for the public weldare...

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Capt. JG wrote:
Hmmm...... not a bad idea. :-)

If that be the case we a;; ahd better learn how to get out of our slips
and channels by rowboat...ain't no way where we're at now to saol out....

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Capt. JG wrote:
Well, that's certainly changed... in fact during Clinton's presidency.
Ooops.

Actually, during Clinton's Presidency, many programs were put into place
to educate young single mothers so they could become self-sufficient.
Problem is, they came out of a system left over from your Great Society
that did pay money, food stamps, and energy assistance based on the size
of your fa,ily. If it comes down to working for 10 bucks and hour or
getting it all doled out, the option is usually the dole. The other
problem is that there is no work ethic. You get more if you don't work.
Mind you..I am not talking about people making minimum wage here...

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Well, we all make mistakes.

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"katy" wrote in message
...
Capt. JG wrote:
Well, that's certainly changed... in fact during Clinton's presidency.
Ooops.

Actually, during Clinton's Presidency, many programs were put into place
to educate young single mothers so they could become self-sufficient.
Problem is, they came out of a system left over from your Great Society
that did pay money, food stamps, and energy assistance based on the size
of your fa,ily. If it comes down to working for 10 bucks and hour or
getting it all doled out, the option is usually the dole. The other
problem is that there is no work ethic. You get more if you don't work.
Mind you..I am not talking about people making minimum wage here...

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Capt. JG wrote:
Well, we all make mistakes.

???But most of us learn because of them because the consequences of our
mistakes does not reward is...the system rewards mistakes like these
entrenching these people in the system...it's a self-perpetuating system...

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"katy" wrote in message
...

It also hits small business in a big way...my son-in-law runs a tree
service. It's him and a part-time guy that comes along when he has to
climb to handle the ropes...his business is gas intensive...the chipper
wagon, the stump grinder, the various chain saws, his loader...when he
tried to pass on the increased cost of gas in his estimates, he started to
lose business. So instead, he is now quoting his old prices and working a
midnight shift job to boot...what;s right about that? I'm sure most
farmer's are in the same boat, as well as landscape guys...even with the
ag benefits on diesel, it's still horrendous...and when gas goes up, so
does everything else...so then you not only have people unable to go
anywhere, they also can't afford to buy gresh vegetables tha thacve been
tricked in at exorbiatant prices.

Have you not read Adam Smith?

It's the guiding hand, Katy.

With astronomical gasoline and fuel oil prices that tree will be worth more.
People will cut down trees to heat their homes or power their cars.


I, Gilligan, have devised the most efficient and benign form of
transportation yet!

It's the geothermal car! Next will be the geothermal boat!

Hisssss!!!!

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"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:24:13 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

And if it hadn't been for paying single teenage girls to stay home and
make
babies.

Who did that?

That gummint you want us to hand over our paychecks to. Part of your
beloved
Great Society.

"The government that is big enough to give you everything is big enough to
take it all away"

Barry M. Goldwater

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"katy" wrote in message
...
DSK wrote:
If it hadn't been for Vietnam, the GS would have had a chance.


I would say on the whole that Johnson's 'Great Society' was more of a
success than Nixon's Viet Nam.


Dave wrote:
And if it hadn't been for the torching of our major cities.

??
Are you getting 'Great Society' confused with the Rural Electrification
Program? Torches were unnecessary.


And if it hadn't been for paying single teenage girls to stay home and
make
babies.

It's about sex, isn't it? Poor people shouldn't be gettin' any! Neither
should Democrats!!

DSK

Spay and neuter them all, I say!!!!

Can't argue with that.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
link.net...

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 03:08:34 GMT, "Maxprop" said:

I find it amusing that you and the left wing are the first to condemn
Bush
for his role with big oil, but turn around and advocate $5 per gallon
gasoline.

That's pretty much of a piece with their other positions--more taxes so
gumming bureaucrats can redistribute money from those who earned it to
those
who didn't.

Redistribution of wealth--a fundamental tenet of liberal philosophy.

Max


Forced redistribution of wealth is theft.

Charity is the way to go.

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Gilligan wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...
It also hits small business in a big way...my son-in-law runs a tree
service. It's him and a part-time guy that comes along when he has to
climb to handle the ropes...his business is gas intensive...the chipper
wagon, the stump grinder, the various chain saws, his loader...when he
tried to pass on the increased cost of gas in his estimates, he started to
lose business. So instead, he is now quoting his old prices and working a
midnight shift job to boot...what;s right about that? I'm sure most
farmer's are in the same boat, as well as landscape guys...even with the
ag benefits on diesel, it's still horrendous...and when gas goes up, so
does everything else...so then you not only have people unable to go
anywhere, they also can't afford to buy gresh vegetables tha thacve been
tricked in at exorbiatant prices.

Have you not read Adam Smith?

It's the guiding hand, Katy.

With astronomical gasoline and fuel oil prices that tree will be worth more.
People will cut down trees to heat their homes or power their cars.


I, Gilligan, have devised the most efficient and benign form of
transportation yet!

It's the geothermal car! Next will be the geothermal boat!

Hisssss!!!!


Geyser power? (snicker...more like geezer...)

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Gilligan wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...

It also hits small business in a big way...my son-in-law runs a tree
service. It's him and a part-time guy that comes along when he has to
climb to handle the ropes...his business is gas intensive...the chipper
wagon, the stump grinder, the various chain saws, his loader...when he
tried to pass on the increased cost of gas in his estimates, he started to
lose business. So instead, he is now quoting his old prices and working a
midnight shift job to boot...what;s right about that? I'm sure most
farmer's are in the same boat, as well as landscape guys...even with the
ag benefits on diesel, it's still horrendous...and when gas goes up, so
does everything else...so then you not only have people unable to go
anywhere, they also can't afford to buy gresh vegetables tha thacve been
tricked in at exorbiatant prices.

Have you not read Adam Smith?

It's the guiding hand, Katy.

With astronomical gasoline and fuel oil prices that tree will be worth more.
People will cut down trees to heat their homes or power their cars.


I, Gilligan, have devised the most efficient and benign form of
transportation yet!

It's the geothermal car! Next will be the geothermal boat!

Are you using a sterling engine?

Joe

Hisssss!!!!

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Well, that's certainly changed... in fact during Clinton's presidency.
Ooops.

katysails wrote:
Actually, during Clinton's Presidency, many programs were put into place
to educate young single mothers so they could become self-sufficient.

Yep, look at how many were trained to become politician's
interns ;)


Problem is, they came out of a system left over from your Great Society
that did pay money, food stamps, and energy assistance based on the size
of your fa,ily. If it comes down to working for 10 bucks and hour or
getting it all doled out, the option is usually the dole. The other
problem is that there is no work ethic. You get more if you don't work.

From what I've seen personally, that's not really true. But
a lot of people would rather have less money for not
working, than to work & get more. Why is that? I dunno, but
clearly the ratio should be adjusted.

For that matter, the number of co-workers I've seen miling
workmen's comp claims over the years would support the idea
that 1- there's more than one way to milk the system and 2-
a LOT of people, across every ethnicity, have the same
no-work ethic.

DSK

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It's about sex, isn't it? Poor people shouldn't be gettin' any! Neither
should Democrats!!



Spay and neuter them all, I say!!!!


Gilligan wrote:
Can't argue with that.


Well, you can, but why? It makes too much sense. In fact
IMHO it is inevitable.

DSK

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On 23 Sep 2006 19:17:21 -0700, "Joe" wrote:


Gilligan wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...

It also hits small business in a big way...my son-in-law runs a tree
service. It's him and a part-time guy that comes along when he has to
climb to handle the ropes...his business is gas intensive...the
chipper
wagon, the stump grinder, the various chain saws, his loader...when he
tried to pass on the increased cost of gas in his estimates, he
started to
lose business. So instead, he is now quoting his old prices and
working a
midnight shift job to boot...what;s right about that? I'm sure most
farmer's are in the same boat, as well as landscape guys...even with
the
ag benefits on diesel, it's still horrendous...and when gas goes up,
so
does everything else...so then you not only have people unable to go
anywhere, they also can't afford to buy gresh vegetables tha thacve
been
tricked in at exorbiatant prices.

Have you not read Adam Smith?

It's the guiding hand, Katy.

With astronomical gasoline and fuel oil prices that tree will be worth
more.
People will cut down trees to heat their homes or power their cars.


I, Gilligan, have devised the most efficient and benign form of
transportation yet!

It's the geothermal car! Next will be the geothermal boat!


Are you using a sterling engine?


In his case, he probably thinks it is sterling, but it's just plated!

CWM


I'm blowing the steam directly on to the sails!

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"DSK" wrote in message
...
It's about sex, isn't it? Poor people shouldn't be gettin' any! Neither
should Democrats!!



Spay and neuter them all, I say!!!!


Gilligan wrote:
Can't argue with that.

Well, you can, but why? It makes too much sense. In fact IMHO it is
inevitable.

DSK


Affluence lowers the birth rates. In countries such as Germany and Japan the
birth rates aRE LOW ENOUGH to decrease the population unless there is
immigration. I beleieve it is true for the US but immigration is increasing
the population.

Why is it that our best and brightest breed the least? Pay the most taxes?

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Gilligan wrote:
"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On 23 Sep 2006 19:17:21 -0700, "Joe" wrote:

Gilligan wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...
It also hits small business in a big way...my son-in-law runs a tree
service. It's him and a part-time guy that comes along when he has to
climb to handle the ropes...his business is gas intensive...the
chipper
wagon, the stump grinder, the various chain saws, his loader...when he
tried to pass on the increased cost of gas in his estimates, he
started to
lose business. So instead, he is now quoting his old prices and
working a
midnight shift job to boot...what;s right about that? I'm sure most
farmer's are in the same boat, as well as landscape guys...even with
the
ag benefits on diesel, it's still horrendous...and when gas goes up,
so
does everything else...so then you not only have people unable to go
anywhere, they also can't afford to buy gresh vegetables tha thacve
been
tricked in at exorbiatant prices.
Have you not read Adam Smith?

It's the guiding hand, Katy.

With astronomical gasoline and fuel oil prices that tree will be worth
more.
People will cut down trees to heat their homes or power their cars.


I, Gilligan, have devised the most efficient and benign form of
transportation yet!

It's the geothermal car! Next will be the geothermal boat!
Are you using a sterling engine?

In his case, he probably thinks it is sterling, but it's just plated!

CWM


I'm blowing the steam directly on to the sails!


How many cans of beans and heads of cabbage do you have to eat to make
it work efficiently?

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On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 09:58:01 -0600, Gilligan wrote:


Affluence lowers the birth rates. In countries such as Germany and Japan the
birth rates aRE LOW ENOUGH to decrease the population unless there is
immigration. I beleieve it is true for the US but immigration is increasing
the population.

With the declining birth rates, if you want a growing economy, you need
immigration.

Why is it that our best and brightest breed the least? Pay the most taxes?

Uh, because our best and brightest also have better access to health care,
providing a longer life span. That longer life span results in a smaller
proportion of women of child bearing age, hence, a declining birth rate.
It's, in effect, a Ponzi Scheme.

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"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 09:58:01 -0600, Gilligan wrote:


Why is it that our best and brightest breed the least? Pay the most
taxes?

Uh, because our best and brightest also have better access to health care,
providing a longer life span. That longer life span results in a smaller
proportion of women of child bearing age, hence, a declining birth rate.
It's, in effect, a Ponzi Scheme.


I'm not talking proportion, I'm talking about absolute numbers. Affluent
families have less kids. It doesn't matter how long one lives or about
health care. In fact, good health care would tend to facilitate larger
families, longer lifespans also facilitate more kids as women can children
well into their 40's.

The root of it all is what is the cause of affluence. My opinion is that it
has to do mostly with intelligence. The smarter one is, the greater is the
tendency for them to be affluent. There are exceptions though such as
athletes and Hollywood entertainers. They are affluent but not intelligent
as a general rule.

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"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Maxprop wrote:
Redistribution of wealth--a fundamental tenet of liberal philosophy.


A proper conservative gov't would not redistribute wealth?

Nope, the operative word being "proper."

How do you feel about President Bush's programs of wealth redistribution?

Another reason to dislike him.

But wait--you think I'm still supporting him.

Whatever.

Max

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Sorry, but we already do that.

Yes, we do, and it's still wrong.

Max

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Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article , Bart Senior .@. wrote:
Gore/Chavez '08
Cheney/Robertson '08 - we're not going to live forever anyway.

Dick Cheney will never run...his health is on the brink...he'd
meltdown before the world did....
Right. I'm hoping for a Rumsfeld/Scooter Libby team in '08.

Max

Quayle/Forbes in 08. I'm going to vote for Goldwater, again.
That damned liberal??

Max

The damned libertarian.
At least he wasn't a libertine...

Or Liberace.

Max

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Do you think we should stop doing it? Careful, it's a trick question. :-)

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Sorry, but we already do that.

Yes, we do, and it's still wrong.

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Do you think we should stop doing it? Careful, it's a trick question. :-)

Okay, I'll bite. Explain, please.

Max

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heh... ok... well, if we take away all redistribution of wealth, for
example, we would basically eliminate the super-highways in the US. We would
eliminate the military, as well. If we take more money from someone who is
more well-off than someone who is less well-off either by percentage or in a
flat-tax fashion, we're basically redistributing the cost of these vital
services. Now, I think it's worth talking about if this is viable. I don't
think it is as a step toward a more fair system of taxation.

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Do you think we should stop doing it? Careful, it's a trick question. :-)

Okay, I'll bite. Explain, please.

Max

Liberals Rally Around Bush
 

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Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article , Bart Senior .@. wrote:
Gore/Chavez '08
Cheney/Robertson '08 - we're not going to live forever anyway.

Dick Cheney will never run...his health is on the brink...he'd
meltdown before the world did....
Right. I'm hoping for a Rumsfeld/Scooter Libby team in '08.

Max

Quayle/Forbes in 08. I'm going to vote for Goldwater, again.
That damned liberal??

Max

The damned libertarian.
At least he wasn't a libertine...

Or Liberace.

Max

Goldwater = Mr. Conservative

Liberace = Mr. Showmanship

Both are outstanding men.

Liberals Rally Around Bush
 

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Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article , Bart Senior .@. wrote:
Gore/Chavez '08
Cheney/Robertson '08 - we're not going to live forever anyway.

Dick Cheney will never run...his health is on the brink...he'd
meltdown before the world did....
Right. I'm hoping for a Rumsfeld/Scooter Libby team in '08.

Max

Quayle/Forbes in 08. I'm going to vote for Goldwater, again.
That damned liberal??

Max

The damned libertarian.
At least he wasn't a libertine...
Or Liberace.

Max

Goldwater = Mr. Conservative

Liberace = Mr. Showmanship

Both are outstanding men.


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Liberals Rally Around Bush
 

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heh... ok... well, if we take away all redistribution of wealth, for
example, we would basically eliminate the super-highways in the US. We
would eliminate the military, as well.

I don't consider infrastructure and military expenses to be "redistribution
of wealth." In fact, I've never heard it referred to in that manner.

If we take more money from someone who is more well-off than someone who is
less well-off either by percentage

The odds are that the well-off person is more likely to use infrastructure
to a greater degree than those who aren't so well-off.

or in a flat-tax fashion, we're basically redistributing the cost of these
vital services. Now, I think it's worth talking about if this is viable. I
don't think it is as a step toward a more fair system of taxation.

Redistribution of wealth, as I was referring to it, is welfare, social
security, and the other entitlements programs such as WIC, Medicaid, etc.
Of course you are right in that taxation is the means for such
redistribution.

Max

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Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article , Bart Senior .@. wrote:
Gore/Chavez '08
Cheney/Robertson '08 - we're not going to live forever anyway.

Dick Cheney will never run...his health is on the brink...he'd
meltdown before the world did....
Right. I'm hoping for a Rumsfeld/Scooter Libby team in '08.

Max

Quayle/Forbes in 08. I'm going to vote for Goldwater, again.
That damned liberal??

Max

The damned libertarian.
At least he wasn't a libertine...

Or Liberace.

Max

Goldwater = Mr. Conservative

Liberace = Mr. Showmanship

Both are outstanding men.

A recent book refers to Goldwater as becoming quite liberal in his later,
post-government years. And Liberace became ill and reclusive. Nothing is
ever as it seems, Gilly.

Max