Docking Situation Question #4
 

You are motoring into a guest slip at a strange dock,
in a 34' Catalina with diesel auxiliary. You realize
someone has taken your guest berth and there are no
others available. The fairway is 40' wide.

What is the procedure for turning around without
outside assistance. [Assume Right Hand Prop]

2 pts for complete answers

Docking Situation Question #4
 

wrote:
You are motoring into a guest slip at a strange dock,
in a 34' Catalina with diesel auxiliary. You realize
someone has taken your guest berth and there are no
others available. The fairway is 40' wide.

What is the procedure for turning around without
outside assistance. [Assume Right Hand Prop]

2 pts for complete answers

Turn to the stbd and back down hard to pivot around..

Joe

Docking Situation Question #4
 

Turn to the helm so the boat goes to starboard, short forward thrust, bow
moves starboard, then a neutral pause, then reverse gear, stern turns to
port, as soon as you're moving back neutral, then repeat from beginning. AKA
back and fill.

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You are motoring into a guest slip at a strange dock,
in a 34' Catalina with diesel auxiliary. You realize
someone has taken your guest berth and there are no
others available. The fairway is 40' wide.

What is the procedure for turning around without
outside assistance. [Assume Right Hand Prop]

2 pts for complete answers

Docking Situation Question #4
 

Or, use your bow thruster.

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wrote:
You are motoring into a guest slip at a strange dock,
in a 34' Catalina with diesel auxiliary. You realize
someone has taken your guest berth and there are no
others available. The fairway is 40' wide.

What is the procedure for turning around without
outside assistance. [Assume Right Hand Prop]

2 pts for complete answers

Turn to the stbd and back down hard to pivot around..

Joe

Docking Situation Question #4
 

Capt. JG wrote:
Or, use your bow thruster.

Bow thrusters are for pussies...... unless you need to stay on station
for long periods of time. No boat under a 145 ft needs a thruster IMO.

Joe

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"Joe" wrote in message
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wrote:
You are motoring into a guest slip at a strange dock,
in a 34' Catalina with diesel auxiliary. You realize
someone has taken your guest berth and there are no
others available. The fairway is 40' wide.

What is the procedure for turning around without
outside assistance. [Assume Right Hand Prop]

2 pts for complete answers

Turn to the stbd and back down hard to pivot around..

Joe

Docking Situation Question #4
 

From center of fairway turn right rudder to the stops, give burst of
throttle alternating both forward and reverse. If too close to one
side of fairway, adjust fore or aft to correct, as you spin around on
keel in overall length - fin keel does have an advantage at times.

Joe wrote:
wrote:
You are motoring into a guest slip at a strange dock,
in a 34' Catalina with diesel auxiliary. You realize
someone has taken your guest berth and there are no
others available. The fairway is 40' wide.

What is the procedure for turning around without
outside assistance. [Assume Right Hand Prop]

2 pts for complete answers

Turn to the stbd and back down hard to pivot around..

Joe

Docking Situation Question #4
 

Why turn around?

SBV


wrote in message
oups.com..
..
You are motoring into a guest slip at a strange dock,
in a 34' Catalina with diesel auxiliary. You realize
someone has taken your guest berth and there are no
others available. The fairway is 40' wide.

What is the procedure for turning around without
outside assistance. [Assume Right Hand Prop]

2 pts for complete answers

Docking Situation Question #4
 

"Krusty Morgan" stupidly wrote ..:


Capt. JG wrote:
Or, use your bow thruster.

Tell Doug that I'm an asshole!

CWM


He knows.

Docking Situation Question #4
 

Joe wrote:
Bow thrusters are for pussies...... unless you need to stay on station
for long periods of time. No boat under a 145 ft needs a thruster IMO.


Unless you have a heavy full skeg single-screw boat.

No boat *needs* a bow thruster. But it can be darn nice to
have when maneuvering in tight quarters.

DSK

Docking Situation Question #4
 

Docking Situation Question #4
 

wrote
| You are motoring into a guest slip at a strange dock,
| in a 34' Catalina with diesel auxiliary. You realize
| someone has taken your guest berth and there are no
| others available. The fairway is 40' wide.
|
| What is the procedure for turning around without
| outside assistance. [Assume Right Hand Prop]


No fair! Foul!!!! Time out... That's not a sailing question....

Cheers,
Ellen

Docking Situation Question #4
 

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in
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wrote
| You are motoring into a guest slip at a strange dock,
| in a 34' Catalina with diesel auxiliary. You realize
| someone has taken your guest berth and there are no
| others available. The fairway is 40' wide.


I would cut his dock lines and push it out of my berth.

Scotty

Docking Situation Question #4
 

I sure have thought about doing it... :-)

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"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in
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wrote
| You are motoring into a guest slip at a strange dock,
| in a 34' Catalina with diesel auxiliary. You realize
| someone has taken your guest berth and there are no
| others available. The fairway is 40' wide.


I would cut his dock lines and push it out of my berth.

Scotty

Docking Situation Question #4
 

First off I can turn even my 30 ft full keeler in a 40 ft fairway...
crosswind or not. I can also station keep with my single screw. The one time
I had to effect an emergency stop and 180 into a narrow docking facilty...
sailing in... no auxillary on or engaged. I dropped the hook, it brought me
staight about and then I dropped the genny, engaged the engine and weighed
hook to exit the area. It was the slickest thing you've ever seen.

More sailors should take time to practise maneuvers under power and sail
with their vessels to really comprehend not only the limitations ... but the
potential.

Drift or "carry" is another thing I find most sailors don't understand about
their vessels.

To answer your question..... reverse to your walk and swing the bow thru
the wind if a fin keeler...... opposite if you are a full keeler. [
Remember to hug to the appropraite side of the channel... windward for fin
keeler and leeward for full keeler.]

CM

"Scotty" wrote in message
...
Why turn around?

SBV


wrote in message
oups.com..
.
You are motoring into a guest slip at a strange dock,
in a 34' Catalina with diesel auxiliary. You realize
someone has taken your guest berth and there are no
others available. The fairway is 40' wide.

What is the procedure for turning around without
outside assistance. [Assume Right Hand Prop]

2 pts for complete answers

Docking Situation Question #4
 

silverback wrote:

First off I can turn even my 30 ft full keeler in a 40 ft fairway...
crosswind or not. I can also station keep with my single screw.

When you understand prop walk and the wash against the
rudder, you do a number of things. There also things that
cannot be done, and prop walk has it's limits.


... The one time
I had to effect an emergency stop and 180 into a narrow docking facilty...
sailing in... no auxillary on or engaged. I dropped the hook

heh heh they did that in "Pirates of the Caribbean" too.


... it brought me
staight about and then I dropped the genny, engaged the engine and weighed
hook to exit the area. It was the slickest thing you've ever seen.

More sailors should take time to practise maneuvers under power and sail
with their vessels to really comprehend not only the limitations ... but the
potential.


Agreed.

Drift or "carry" is another thing I find most sailors don't understand about
their vessels.


Relatively few people practice any maneuvers; much less work
out ways of carrying out less-common ones and practice those.

It is one reason why racers are better sailors... they
regularly carry out a lot more actions under varying
conditions, and do them more often.


To answer your question..... reverse to your walk and swing the bow thru
the wind if a fin keeler...... opposite if you are a full keeler. [
Remember to hug to the appropraite side of the channel... windward for fin
keeler and leeward for full keeler.]


Why would you hug the lee side of a channel if a full keeler??

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Docking Situation Question #4
 

What if you can't make a full turn? some back and forth is
necessary.

"Joe" wrote

wrote:
You are motoring into a guest slip at a strange dock,
in a 34' Catalina with diesel auxiliary. You realize
someone has taken your guest berth and there are no
others available. The fairway is 40' wide.

What is the procedure for turning around without
outside assistance. [Assume Right Hand Prop]

2 pts for complete answers

Turn to the stbd and back down hard to pivot around..

Joe

Docking Situation Question #4
 

Burst of throttle in forward would not be appropriate.
More prolonged throttling in forward a single time is
correct, with burst in reverse to take advantage of
prop walk.

"PrefersOffshore" wrote

From center of fairway turn right rudder to the stops, give burst of
throttle alternating both forward and reverse. If too close to one
side of fairway, adjust fore or aft to correct, as you spin around on
keel in overall length - fin keel does have an advantage at times.

Joe wrote:
wrote:
You are motoring into a guest slip at a strange dock,
in a 34' Catalina with diesel auxiliary. You realize
someone has taken your guest berth and there are no
others available. The fairway is 40' wide.

What is the procedure for turning around without
outside assistance. [Assume Right Hand Prop]

2 pts for complete answers

Turn to the stbd and back down hard to pivot around..

Joe

Docking Situation Question #4
 

Good point Scotty. However I wanted to address
how to back and fill with this question.

"Scotty" wrote in message
...
Why turn around?

SBV


wrote in message
oups.com..
.
You are motoring into a guest slip at a strange dock,
in a 34' Catalina with diesel auxiliary. You realize
someone has taken your guest berth and there are no
others available. The fairway is 40' wide.

What is the procedure for turning around without
outside assistance. [Assume Right Hand Prop]

2 pts for complete answers

Docking Situation Question #4
 

1 point to you.

"PrefersOffshore" wrote

From center of fairway turn right rudder to the stops, give burst of
throttle alternating both forward and reverse. If too close to one
side of fairway, adjust fore or aft to correct, as you spin around on
keel in overall length - fin keel does have an advantage at times.

Docking Situation Question #4
 

Explain why you would want the windward side for
a Fin keel? (The question was for a Catalina 34)

Also, why leeward for full keel?


"silverback" wrote

First off I can turn even my 30 ft full keeler in a 40 ft fairway...
crosswind or not. I can also station keep with my single screw. The one
time I had to effect an emergency stop and 180 into a narrow docking
facilty... sailing in... no auxillary on or engaged. I dropped the hook,
it brought me staight about and then I dropped the genny, engaged the
engine and weighed hook to exit the area. It was the slickest thing
you've ever seen.

More sailors should take time to practise maneuvers under power and sail
with their vessels to really comprehend not only the limitations ... but
the potential.

Drift or "carry" is another thing I find most sailors don't understand
about their vessels.

To answer your question..... reverse to your walk and swing the bow thru
the wind if a fin keeler...... opposite if you are a full keeler. [
Remember to hug to the appropraite side of the channel... windward for fin
keeler and leeward for full keeler.]

CM

Docking Situation Question #4
 

Bart Senior wrote:
What if you can't make a full turn? some back and forth is
necessary.


Well then maybe you need to pratice a bunch more, or perhaps you need
a bigger rudder, or more space, or a bit more pitch in your wheel.
Anyhow the concept is with a R hand wheel the stern will pull to port
in reverse. If you can glide into a hook and yank yer stern around you
can do it in half to a third of the space of your turn radius. If you
can equalize the forces and learn when to overcome steerage with walk
you will need allot less of that back and forth work..... point counter
point juggeling. Less in better.

Back and forth, bwahahahaha

Joe




"Joe" wrote

wrote:
You are motoring into a guest slip at a strange dock,
in a 34' Catalina with diesel auxiliary. You realize
someone has taken your guest berth and there are no
others available. The fairway is 40' wide.

What is the procedure for turning around without
outside assistance. [Assume Right Hand Prop]

2 pts for complete answers

Turn to the stbd and back down hard to pivot around..

Joe

Docking Situation Question #4
 

Maybe I should have made it a 34' boat with 35 feet to
turn around.

"Joe" wrote

Bart Senior wrote:
What if you can't make a full turn? some back and forth is
necessary.


Well then maybe you need to pratice a bunch more, or perhaps you need
a bigger rudder, or more space, or a bit more pitch in your wheel.
Anyhow the concept is with a R hand wheel the stern will pull to port
in reverse. If you can glide into a hook and yank yer stern around you
can do it in half to a third of the space of your turn radius. If you
can equalize the forces and learn when to overcome steerage with walk
you will need allot less of that back and forth work..... point counter
point juggeling. Less in better.

Docking Situation Question #4
 

DSK wrote:
Joe wrote:
Bow thrusters are for pussies...... unless you need to stay on station
for long periods of time. No boat under a 145 ft needs a thruster IMO.


Unless you have a heavy full skeg single-screw boat.

I have a full Keel single screw heavy boat with Ginormous windage
issues and still need no thruster in tight quarters..but I admit it
would be nice at time, but not needed.

Some boats need thrusters to do a job they were buildt to do.

No boat *needs* a bow thruster. But it can be darn nice to
have when maneuvering in tight quarters.

DSK

Joe

Docking Situation Question #4
 

1 point to Jon.


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Turn to the helm so the boat goes to starboard, short forward thrust, bow
moves starboard, then a neutral pause, then reverse gear, stern turns to
port, as soon as you're moving back neutral, then repeat from beginning.
AKA back and fill.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

wrote in message
oups.com...
You are motoring into a guest slip at a strange dock,
in a 34' Catalina with diesel auxiliary. You realize
someone has taken your guest berth and there are no
others available. The fairway is 40' wide.

What is the procedure for turning around without
outside assistance. [Assume Right Hand Prop]

2 pts for complete answers