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ASA question #342 (part 2)
Later on that dark and stormy night... (not really, the conditions are
benign).... We're now at anchor in a designated anchorage, but just to be safe, we have our anchor light on. We have a very secure holding, but to be doubly certain, we're keeping an anchor watch. Around midnight, the skipper, who is standing watch, notices a vessel heading toward the boat, clearly out of control, weaving this way and that. Despite his best efforts, he is unable to maneuver the sailboat away from the oncoming vessel by using the engine, hauling in the anchor line or even dropping the anchor. In fact, there's little time to do anything, and within seconds, the oncoming vessel has struck the boat. The vessel is a small sport fishing boat, whose operator suffered a stroke. (This was determined after the fact of the collision of course.) After the collision, the skipper assembles the passengers, has them don their PFDs, distributes their weight as best as possible, and secures all watertight doors, hatches, etc., and the Coast Guard is called using the proper procedure words. They respond, and soon they arrive. Fortunately, no one is killed, the injuries on both boats are relatively minor, and the sport fishing skipper is airlifted to a hospital and will recover, but there is considerable damage, perhaps several hundred thousand dollars, that might even necessitate abandoning one or both boats. Once again, they do a thorough inspection, and they now find all the required postings, including the Emergency Check-off List (the skipper created one and posted it in the last few hours). Unfortunately, they've now found something else that is lacking aboard the sailboat. The Coast Guard have these particular items and use them, but in any case the skipper is cited for not having them. Name this item. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
ASA question #342 (part 2)
Capt. JG wrote: Later on that dark and stormy night... (not really, the conditions are benign).... We're now at anchor in a designated anchorage, but just to be safe, we have our anchor light on. We have a very secure holding, but to be doubly certain, we're keeping an anchor watch. Around midnight, the skipper, who is standing watch, notices a vessel heading toward the boat, clearly out of control, weaving this way and that. Despite his best efforts, he is unable to maneuver the sailboat away from the oncoming vessel by using the engine, hauling in the anchor line or even dropping the anchor. In fact, there's little time to do anything, and within seconds, the oncoming vessel has struck the boat. The vessel is a small sport fishing boat, whose operator suffered a stroke. (This was determined after the fact of the collision of course.) After the collision, the skipper assembles the passengers, has them don their PFDs, distributes their weight as best as possible, and secures all watertight doors, hatches, etc., and the Coast Guard is called using the proper procedure words. They respond, and soon they arrive. Fortunately, no one is killed, the injuries on both boats are relatively minor, and the sport fishing skipper is airlifted to a hospital and will recover, but there is considerable damage, perhaps several hundred thousand dollars, that might even necessitate abandoning one or both boats. Once again, they do a thorough inspection, and they now find all the required postings, including the Emergency Check-off List (the skipper created one and posted it in the last few hours). Unfortunately, they've now found something else that is lacking aboard the sailboat. The Coast Guard have these particular items and use them, but in any case the skipper is cited for not having them. Name this item. lights on the lifejackets? Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
ASA question #342 (part 2)
Well, that's certainly a good thing, but no. That's not it. 1/2 point for
knowing the regs! I'll amend the second to last sentence... The Coast Guard have these particular items and use them on your boat for you, but in any case the skipper is cited for not having them. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... Capt. JG wrote: Later on that dark and stormy night... (not really, the conditions are benign).... We're now at anchor in a designated anchorage, but just to be safe, we have our anchor light on. We have a very secure holding, but to be doubly certain, we're keeping an anchor watch. Around midnight, the skipper, who is standing watch, notices a vessel heading toward the boat, clearly out of control, weaving this way and that. Despite his best efforts, he is unable to maneuver the sailboat away from the oncoming vessel by using the engine, hauling in the anchor line or even dropping the anchor. In fact, there's little time to do anything, and within seconds, the oncoming vessel has struck the boat. The vessel is a small sport fishing boat, whose operator suffered a stroke. (This was determined after the fact of the collision of course.) After the collision, the skipper assembles the passengers, has them don their PFDs, distributes their weight as best as possible, and secures all watertight doors, hatches, etc., and the Coast Guard is called using the proper procedure words. They respond, and soon they arrive. Fortunately, no one is killed, the injuries on both boats are relatively minor, and the sport fishing skipper is airlifted to a hospital and will recover, but there is considerable damage, perhaps several hundred thousand dollars, that might even necessitate abandoning one or both boats. Once again, they do a thorough inspection, and they now find all the required postings, including the Emergency Check-off List (the skipper created one and posted it in the last few hours). Unfortunately, they've now found something else that is lacking aboard the sailboat. The Coast Guard have these particular items and use them, but in any case the skipper is cited for not having them. Name this item. lights on the lifejackets? Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
ASA question #342 (part 2)
A bucket.
"Capt. JG" wrote Unfortunately, they've now found something else that is lacking aboard the sailboat. The Coast Guard have these particular items and use them, but in any case the skipper is cited for not having them. Name this item. |
ASA question #342 (part 2)
Bilge Pump.
"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Well, that's certainly a good thing, but no. That's not it. 1/2 point for knowing the regs! I'll amend the second to last sentence... The Coast Guard have these particular items and use them on your boat for you, but in any case the skipper is cited for not having them. |
ASA question #342 (part 2)
All equipment is working when they arrive, and they certainly wouldn't cite
you for having to replace your bilge pump with something bigger. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message ... Bilge Pump. "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Well, that's certainly a good thing, but no. That's not it. 1/2 point for knowing the regs! I'll amend the second to last sentence... The Coast Guard have these particular items and use them on your boat for you, but in any case the skipper is cited for not having them. |
ASA question #342 (part 2)
They use a bucket? Nope...a bit more esoteric. :-)
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message ... A bucket. "Capt. JG" wrote Unfortunately, they've now found something else that is lacking aboard the sailboat. The Coast Guard have these particular items and use them, but in any case the skipper is cited for not having them. Name this item. |
ASA question #342 (part 2)
Fire Extinguisher is a possibility. Hard to image anyone sailng
without one on a larger boat. .. "Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message ... A bucket. "Capt. JG" wrote Unfortunately, they've now found something else that is lacking aboard the sailboat. The Coast Guard have these particular items and use them, but in any case the skipper is cited for not having them. Name this item. |
ASA question #342 (part 2)
"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Unfortunately, they've now found something else that is lacking aboard the sailboat. The Coast Guard have these particular items and use them, but in any case the skipper is cited for not having them. Name this item. Flares?? Regards Donal -- |
ASA question #342 (part 2)
All equipment in the usual sense is aboard, functionable, and legal.
Additional hint... this more of a required supply (no, not a first aid kit). -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message ... Fire Extinguisher is a possibility. Hard to image anyone sailng without one on a larger boat. . "Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message ... A bucket. "Capt. JG" wrote Unfortunately, they've now found something else that is lacking aboard the sailboat. The Coast Guard have these particular items and use them, but in any case the skipper is cited for not having them. Name this item. |
ASA question #342 (part 2)
Nope... they are there an legal, but that does open an interesting question.
What if you have three legal flares and discharge them all signalling for help. Then, you're boarded. You have no flares. Do they cite you? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Donal" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Unfortunately, they've now found something else that is lacking aboard the sailboat. The Coast Guard have these particular items and use them, but in any case the skipper is cited for not having them. Name this item. Flares?? Regards Donal -- |
ASA question #342 (part 2)
"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Nope... they are there an legal, but that does open an interesting question. What if you have three legal flares and discharge them all signalling for help. Then, you're boarded. You have no flares. Do they cite you? No, of course not. |
ASA question #342 (part 2)
Capt. JG wrote: Nope... they are there an legal, but that does open an interesting question. What if you have three legal flares and discharge them all signalling for help. Then, you're boarded. You have no flares. Do they cite you? Good Lord Jon...snap outta it. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Donal" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Unfortunately, they've now found something else that is lacking aboard the sailboat. The Coast Guard have these particular items and use them, but in any case the skipper is cited for not having them. Name this item. Flares?? Regards Donal -- |
ASA question #342 (part 2)
How do they know I had them?
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scotty" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Nope... they are there an legal, but that does open an interesting question. What if you have three legal flares and discharge them all signalling for help. Then, you're boarded. You have no flares. Do they cite you? No, of course not. |
ASA question #342 (part 2)
Hah... but seriously... how do they know you had legal flares before you
used them? I could show them a receipt I suppose. :-) -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... Capt. JG wrote: Nope... they are there an legal, but that does open an interesting question. What if you have three legal flares and discharge them all signalling for help. Then, you're boarded. You have no flares. Do they cite you? Good Lord Jon...snap outta it. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Donal" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Unfortunately, they've now found something else that is lacking aboard the sailboat. The Coast Guard have these particular items and use them, but in any case the skipper is cited for not having them. Name this item. Flares?? Regards Donal -- |
ASA question #342 (part 2)
One final hint. The supply of this item needs to be replenished when it
expires (NOT flares damnit). -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Later on that dark and stormy night... (not really, the conditions are benign).... We're now at anchor in a designated anchorage, but just to be safe, we have our anchor light on. We have a very secure holding, but to be doubly certain, we're keeping an anchor watch. Around midnight, the skipper, who is standing watch, notices a vessel heading toward the boat, clearly out of control, weaving this way and that. Despite his best efforts, he is unable to maneuver the sailboat away from the oncoming vessel by using the engine, hauling in the anchor line or even dropping the anchor. In fact, there's little time to do anything, and within seconds, the oncoming vessel has struck the boat. The vessel is a small sport fishing boat, whose operator suffered a stroke. (This was determined after the fact of the collision of course.) After the collision, the skipper assembles the passengers, has them don their PFDs, distributes their weight as best as possible, and secures all watertight doors, hatches, etc., and the Coast Guard is called using the proper procedure words. They respond, and soon they arrive. Fortunately, no one is killed, the injuries on both boats are relatively minor, and the sport fishing skipper is airlifted to a hospital and will recover, but there is considerable damage, perhaps several hundred thousand dollars, that might even necessitate abandoning one or both boats. Once again, they do a thorough inspection, and they now find all the required postings, including the Emergency Check-off List (the skipper created one and posted it in the last few hours). Unfortunately, they've now found something else that is lacking aboard the sailboat. The Coast Guard have these particular items and use them, but in any case the skipper is cited for not having them. Name this item. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
ASA question #342 (part 2)
Maybe. I believe the shells for my flare pistol have the expiration on the
paper. I'll check. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:46:24 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: Hah... but seriously... how do they know you had legal flares before you used them? I could show them a receipt I suppose. :-) Or the spent shells? You might even still be able to read the expiration date. CWM |
ASA question #342 (part 2)
I typically carry a bunch of expired flares. So, if I did have an emergency
requiring the use of flares, I would use the expired ones first. According to the CG chief I spoke with (this came up in a class I taught about what to do with the expired flares), he recommended keeping them aboard, but not in the same container as the legal ones. Then, if you're boarded, you don't have to waste a lot of time going through all the dozens/hundreds (perhaps billions - I can't be sure :-) of expired ones to find the legal ones. I've take that one step further, and labeled the expired flare box (clear plastic) with EXPIRED, so there's no doubt. The legal ones are in the flare pistol and cylinder. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:46:24 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: Hah... but seriously... how do they know you had legal flares before you used them? I could show them a receipt I suppose. :-) Or the spent shells? You might even still be able to read the expiration date. CWM |
ASA question #342 (part 2)
One final, final hint... this is a new requirement as of July 2006. Time to
look it up boys and girls... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... One final hint. The supply of this item needs to be replenished when it expires (NOT flares damnit). -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Later on that dark and stormy night... (not really, the conditions are benign).... We're now at anchor in a designated anchorage, but just to be safe, we have our anchor light on. We have a very secure holding, but to be doubly certain, we're keeping an anchor watch. Around midnight, the skipper, who is standing watch, notices a vessel heading toward the boat, clearly out of control, weaving this way and that. Despite his best efforts, he is unable to maneuver the sailboat away from the oncoming vessel by using the engine, hauling in the anchor line or even dropping the anchor. In fact, there's little time to do anything, and within seconds, the oncoming vessel has struck the boat. The vessel is a small sport fishing boat, whose operator suffered a stroke. (This was determined after the fact of the collision of course.) After the collision, the skipper assembles the passengers, has them don their PFDs, distributes their weight as best as possible, and secures all watertight doors, hatches, etc., and the Coast Guard is called using the proper procedure words. They respond, and soon they arrive. Fortunately, no one is killed, the injuries on both boats are relatively minor, and the sport fishing skipper is airlifted to a hospital and will recover, but there is considerable damage, perhaps several hundred thousand dollars, that might even necessitate abandoning one or both boats. Once again, they do a thorough inspection, and they now find all the required postings, including the Emergency Check-off List (the skipper created one and posted it in the last few hours). Unfortunately, they've now found something else that is lacking aboard the sailboat. The Coast Guard have these particular items and use them, but in any case the skipper is cited for not having them. Name this item. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
ASA question #342 (part 2)
Ok. Nobody got it... so here's the answer... you're not going to like it.
You need to have an alocohol test kit aboard for each person on the boat, including passengers, crew, amd skipper. It must be USCG approved, such as this one. This is a new regulation for commercial, uninspected vessels. http://www.testsymptomsathome.com/che02.asp -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Later on that dark and stormy night... (not really, the conditions are benign).... We're now at anchor in a designated anchorage, but just to be safe, we have our anchor light on. We have a very secure holding, but to be doubly certain, we're keeping an anchor watch. Around midnight, the skipper, who is standing watch, notices a vessel heading toward the boat, clearly out of control, weaving this way and that. Despite his best efforts, he is unable to maneuver the sailboat away from the oncoming vessel by using the engine, hauling in the anchor line or even dropping the anchor. In fact, there's little time to do anything, and within seconds, the oncoming vessel has struck the boat. The vessel is a small sport fishing boat, whose operator suffered a stroke. (This was determined after the fact of the collision of course.) After the collision, the skipper assembles the passengers, has them don their PFDs, distributes their weight as best as possible, and secures all watertight doors, hatches, etc., and the Coast Guard is called using the proper procedure words. They respond, and soon they arrive. Fortunately, no one is killed, the injuries on both boats are relatively minor, and the sport fishing skipper is airlifted to a hospital and will recover, but there is considerable damage, perhaps several hundred thousand dollars, that might even necessitate abandoning one or both boats. Once again, they do a thorough inspection, and they now find all the required postings, including the Emergency Check-off List (the skipper created one and posted it in the last few hours). Unfortunately, they've now found something else that is lacking aboard the sailboat. The Coast Guard have these particular items and use them, but in any case the skipper is cited for not having them. Name this item. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
ASA question #342 (part 2)
I have no idea what it's a result of... do you have inside information about
this or are you just grousing. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Dave" wrote in message ... On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:58:19 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: You need to have an alocohol test kit aboard for each person on the boat, including passengers, crew, amd skipper. It must be USCG approved, such as this one. This is a new regulation for commercial, uninspected vessels. No doubt adopted as a result of the ferry crash in NY. Looks like a classic case of bureaucrats' knee-jerk fear of criticism that they didn't "do something" in response to such things, regardless of any risk vs. benefit analysis. |
ASA question #342 (part 2)
Ah... a rant. No problem.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:20:55 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: I have no idea what it's a result of... do you have inside information about this or are you just grousing. Merely using your post as a launching pad for an unsolicited observation based on years of observation of gummint bureaucrats. |
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