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Capt. JG September 15th 06 05:50 PM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 
You've been randomly boarded by the Coast Guard. You are just outside the
demarcation line.

You have a documented vessel under 12 meters and a 6-pak, near coastal
ticket. Upon a thorough
inspection by the CG, you're found to have all of the proper safety
equipment in place and it is up-to-date. In addition, you have the
documentation number posted, the documentation paperwork for the boat, the
proper charts, and a copy of the Navigation Rules. The boat is properly
marked on the hull, you have your original license, and have not exceeded
the limits of your license in any way. The marpol sticker is aboard. Since
you usually sail on Inland waters, the head is disabled from pumping over
the side in the proper fashion.

In fact, one of the boarding party remarks that you have generally exceeded
the requirements. But, of course, they're not finished with their
inspection.

They interview your six passengers (you don't carry crew) and find
everything is in order. For example, you've briefed them on the use of
emergency equipment and shown them the location of fire-extinguishers and
similar.

This particular boarding party is exceedingly thorough, and unfortunately,
they find that you're missing one item of paperwork. You're cited for this.

Name this document.

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Joe September 15th 06 06:11 PM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 

Capt. JG wrote:
You've been randomly boarded by the Coast Guard. You are just outside the
demarcation line.

You have a documented vessel under 12 meters and a 6-pak, near coastal
ticket. Upon a thorough
inspection by the CG, you're found to have all of the proper safety
equipment in place and it is up-to-date. In addition, you have the
documentation number posted, the documentation paperwork for the boat, the
proper charts, and a copy of the Navigation Rules. The boat is properly
marked on the hull, you have your original license, and have not exceeded
the limits of your license in any way. The marpol sticker is aboard. Since
you usually sail on Inland waters, the head is disabled from pumping over
the side in the proper fashion.

In fact, one of the boarding party remarks that you have generally exceeded
the requirements. But, of course, they're not finished with their
inspection.

They interview your six passengers (you don't carry crew) and find
everything is in order. For example, you've briefed them on the use of
emergency equipment and shown them the location of fire-extinguishers and
similar.

This particular boarding party is exceedingly thorough, and unfortunately,
they find that you're missing one item of paperwork. You're cited for this.

Name this document.


hard question Jon

Is it the no drugs aboard info?

Joe


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Ellen MacArthur September 15th 06 06:17 PM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 

"Capt. JG"
| Name this document.

Radio operators license for the VHF?

Cheers,
Ellen

Ellen MacArthur September 15th 06 06:20 PM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 

"Capt. JG"
| Name this document.

Radio operators license for the VHF?

Cheers,
Ellen

Capt. Scumbalino September 15th 06 06:43 PM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 
Capt. JG wrote:

This particular boarding party is exceedingly thorough, and
unfortunately, they find that you're missing one item of paperwork.
You're cited for this.

Name this document.


Insurance certification?


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Capt. JG September 15th 06 07:42 PM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 
Bzzzz... nope

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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Capt. JG wrote:
You've been randomly boarded by the Coast Guard. You are just outside the
demarcation line.

You have a documented vessel under 12 meters and a 6-pak, near coastal
ticket. Upon a thorough
inspection by the CG, you're found to have all of the proper safety
equipment in place and it is up-to-date. In addition, you have the
documentation number posted, the documentation paperwork for the boat,
the
proper charts, and a copy of the Navigation Rules. The boat is properly
marked on the hull, you have your original license, and have not exceeded
the limits of your license in any way. The marpol sticker is aboard.
Since
you usually sail on Inland waters, the head is disabled from pumping over
the side in the proper fashion.

In fact, one of the boarding party remarks that you have generally
exceeded
the requirements. But, of course, they're not finished with their
inspection.

They interview your six passengers (you don't carry crew) and find
everything is in order. For example, you've briefed them on the use of
emergency equipment and shown them the location of fire-extinguishers and
similar.

This particular boarding party is exceedingly thorough, and
unfortunately,
they find that you're missing one item of paperwork. You're cited for
this.

Name this document.


hard question Jon

Is it the no drugs aboard info?

Joe


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Capt. JG September 15th 06 07:42 PM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 
Nope... nice thought though..

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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG"
| Name this document.

Radio operators license for the VHF?

Cheers,
Ellen




Capt. JG September 15th 06 07:43 PM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 
Nice guess and a possibility, but no that's not it.

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:50:15 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

You've been randomly boarded by the Coast Guard. You are just outside the
demarcation line.

You have a documented vessel under 12 meters and a 6-pak, near coastal
ticket. Upon a thorough
inspection by the CG, you're found to have all of the proper safety
equipment in place and it is up-to-date. In addition, you have the
documentation number posted, the documentation paperwork for the boat, the
proper charts, and a copy of the Navigation Rules. The boat is properly
marked on the hull, you have your original license, and have not exceeded
the limits of your license in any way. The marpol sticker is aboard. Since
you usually sail on Inland waters, the head is disabled from pumping over
the side in the proper fashion.

In fact, one of the boarding party remarks that you have generally
exceeded
the requirements. But, of course, they're not finished with their
inspection.

They interview your six passengers (you don't carry crew) and find
everything is in order. For example, you've briefed them on the use of
emergency equipment and shown them the location of fire-extinguishers and
similar.

This particular boarding party is exceedingly thorough, and unfortunately,
they find that you're missing one item of paperwork. You're cited for
this.

Name this document.


Did you show them your manifest?

CWM




Capt. JG September 15th 06 07:44 PM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 
Hint: It has to be posted not just carried.

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You've been randomly boarded by the Coast Guard. You are just outside the
demarcation line.

You have a documented vessel under 12 meters and a 6-pak, near coastal
ticket. Upon a thorough
inspection by the CG, you're found to have all of the proper safety
equipment in place and it is up-to-date. In addition, you have the
documentation number posted, the documentation paperwork for the boat, the
proper charts, and a copy of the Navigation Rules. The boat is properly
marked on the hull, you have your original license, and have not exceeded
the limits of your license in any way. The marpol sticker is aboard. Since
you usually sail on Inland waters, the head is disabled from pumping over
the side in the proper fashion.

In fact, one of the boarding party remarks that you have generally
exceeded the requirements. But, of course, they're not finished with their
inspection.

They interview your six passengers (you don't carry crew) and find
everything is in order. For example, you've briefed them on the use of
emergency equipment and shown them the location of fire-extinguishers and
similar.

This particular boarding party is exceedingly thorough, and unfortunately,
they find that you're missing one item of paperwork. You're cited for
this.

Name this document.

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www.sailnow.com







Bart Senior September 15th 06 07:46 PM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 
MROL

"Capt. JG" wrote

This particular boarding party is exceedingly thorough, and unfortunately,
they find that you're missing one item of paperwork. You're cited for
this.

Name this document.




Capt. JG September 15th 06 08:39 PM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 
I have a sign like that.. Gentleman shall be seated. :-)

The other... nope.

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:44:03 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

Hint: It has to be posted not just carried.


The sign over the the head that says, "Our aim is to keep this place
clean. Your aim would be appreciated"


...either that or the other one telling how many passengers you are
allowed to carry.

CWM




Capt. JG September 15th 06 08:41 PM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 
Don't have a ham aboard... also isn't that for larger vessels for
radiotelephone?

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"Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message ...
MROL

"Capt. JG" wrote

This particular boarding party is exceedingly thorough, and
unfortunately, they find that you're missing one item of paperwork.
You're cited for this.

Name this document.






Capt. JG September 15th 06 08:42 PM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 
Pride Integrity & Guts

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:46:15 -0400, "Bart Senior" .@. wrote:

MROL


You're such a Ham, Bart.

CWM

"Capt. JG" wrote

This particular boarding party is exceedingly thorough, and
unfortunately,
they find that you're missing one item of paperwork. You're cited for
this.

Name this document.






Scotty September 15th 06 08:52 PM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 
did you show them your anti-terrorist picture ID ?

Scotty


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You've been randomly boarded by the Coast Guard. You are

just outside the
demarcation line.

You have a documented vessel under 12 meters and a 6-pak,

near coastal
ticket. Upon a thorough
inspection by the CG, you're found to have all of the

proper safety
equipment in place and it is up-to-date. In addition, you

have the
documentation number posted, the documentation paperwork

for the boat, the
proper charts, and a copy of the Navigation Rules. The

boat is properly
marked on the hull, you have your original license, and

have not exceeded
the limits of your license in any way. The marpol sticker

is aboard. Since
you usually sail on Inland waters, the head is disabled

from pumping over
the side in the proper fashion.

In fact, one of the boarding party remarks that you have

generally exceeded
the requirements. But, of course, they're not finished

with their
inspection.

They interview your six passengers (you don't carry crew)

and find
everything is in order. For example, you've briefed them

on the use of
emergency equipment and shown them the location of

fire-extinguishers and
similar.

This particular boarding party is exceedingly thorough,

and unfortunately,
they find that you're missing one item of paperwork.

You're cited for this.

Name this document.

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Scotty September 15th 06 08:55 PM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 
You mentioned the Marpol, what about the ''oil discharge''
placard. Does that only need to be displayed near the
engine?

SV


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Hint: It has to be posted not just carried.

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You've been randomly boarded by the Coast Guard. You are

just outside the
demarcation line.

You have a documented vessel under 12 meters and a

6-pak, near coastal
ticket. Upon a thorough
inspection by the CG, you're found to have all of the

proper safety
equipment in place and it is up-to-date. In addition,

you have the
documentation number posted, the documentation paperwork

for the boat, the
proper charts, and a copy of the Navigation Rules. The

boat is properly
marked on the hull, you have your original license, and

have not exceeded
the limits of your license in any way. The marpol

sticker is aboard. Since
you usually sail on Inland waters, the head is disabled

from pumping over
the side in the proper fashion.

In fact, one of the boarding party remarks that you have

generally
exceeded the requirements. But, of course, they're not

finished with their
inspection.

They interview your six passengers (you don't carry

crew) and find
everything is in order. For example, you've briefed them

on the use of
emergency equipment and shown them the location of

fire-extinguishers and
similar.

This particular boarding party is exceedingly thorough,

and unfortunately,
they find that you're missing one item of paperwork.

You're cited for
this.

Name this document.

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Capt. JG September 15th 06 09:04 PM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 
Good try. I'll give you a 1/2 point. But, that's not it.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
...
You mentioned the Marpol, what about the ''oil discharge''
placard. Does that only need to be displayed near the
engine?

SV


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Hint: It has to be posted not just carried.

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You've been randomly boarded by the Coast Guard. You are

just outside the
demarcation line.

You have a documented vessel under 12 meters and a

6-pak, near coastal
ticket. Upon a thorough
inspection by the CG, you're found to have all of the

proper safety
equipment in place and it is up-to-date. In addition,

you have the
documentation number posted, the documentation paperwork

for the boat, the
proper charts, and a copy of the Navigation Rules. The

boat is properly
marked on the hull, you have your original license, and

have not exceeded
the limits of your license in any way. The marpol

sticker is aboard. Since
you usually sail on Inland waters, the head is disabled

from pumping over
the side in the proper fashion.

In fact, one of the boarding party remarks that you have

generally
exceeded the requirements. But, of course, they're not

finished with their
inspection.

They interview your six passengers (you don't carry

crew) and find
everything is in order. For example, you've briefed them

on the use of
emergency equipment and shown them the location of

fire-extinguishers and
similar.

This particular boarding party is exceedingly thorough,

and unfortunately,
they find that you're missing one item of paperwork.

You're cited for
this.

Name this document.

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Capt. JG September 15th 06 09:04 PM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 
Now I know the problem... I showed them my ACLU card.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
...
did you show them your anti-terrorist picture ID ?

Scotty


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You've been randomly boarded by the Coast Guard. You are

just outside the
demarcation line.

You have a documented vessel under 12 meters and a 6-pak,

near coastal
ticket. Upon a thorough
inspection by the CG, you're found to have all of the

proper safety
equipment in place and it is up-to-date. In addition, you

have the
documentation number posted, the documentation paperwork

for the boat, the
proper charts, and a copy of the Navigation Rules. The

boat is properly
marked on the hull, you have your original license, and

have not exceeded
the limits of your license in any way. The marpol sticker

is aboard. Since
you usually sail on Inland waters, the head is disabled

from pumping over
the side in the proper fashion.

In fact, one of the boarding party remarks that you have

generally exceeded
the requirements. But, of course, they're not finished

with their
inspection.

They interview your six passengers (you don't carry crew)

and find
everything is in order. For example, you've briefed them

on the use of
emergency equipment and shown them the location of

fire-extinguishers and
similar.

This particular boarding party is exceedingly thorough,

and unfortunately,
they find that you're missing one item of paperwork.

You're cited for this.

Name this document.

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www.sailnow.com









Capt. JG September 15th 06 09:05 PM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 
Ok... nobody seems to have gotten it... how about the Emergency Check-off
List... it has to be posted, not just aboard.

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You've been randomly boarded by the Coast Guard. You are just outside the
demarcation line.

You have a documented vessel under 12 meters and a 6-pak, near coastal
ticket. Upon a thorough
inspection by the CG, you're found to have all of the proper safety
equipment in place and it is up-to-date. In addition, you have the
documentation number posted, the documentation paperwork for the boat, the
proper charts, and a copy of the Navigation Rules. The boat is properly
marked on the hull, you have your original license, and have not exceeded
the limits of your license in any way. The marpol sticker is aboard. Since
you usually sail on Inland waters, the head is disabled from pumping over
the side in the proper fashion.

In fact, one of the boarding party remarks that you have generally
exceeded the requirements. But, of course, they're not finished with their
inspection.

They interview your six passengers (you don't carry crew) and find
everything is in order. For example, you've briefed them on the use of
emergency equipment and shown them the location of fire-extinguishers and
similar.

This particular boarding party is exceedingly thorough, and unfortunately,
they find that you're missing one item of paperwork. You're cited for
this.

Name this document.

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Joe September 15th 06 09:11 PM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 

Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Capt. JG"
| Name this document.

Radio operators license for the VHF?


phased out in the 90's.... use to have to have it to get a ticket.

Joe



Cheers,
Ellen



DSK September 15th 06 09:14 PM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 
Capt. JG wrote:
Hint: It has to be posted not just carried.


Easy. The pollution sticker.

BTW my first thought when you mentioned "paperwork" was that
with the head disabled for inshore, you wouldn't be carrying TP.

DSK


Scotty September 15th 06 09:25 PM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 
IIRC I looked that one up because my placard is on the
engine access door, which is blocked by the companionway
steps.

SBV


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Good try. I'll give you a 1/2 point. But, that's not it.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
...
You mentioned the Marpol, what about the ''oil

discharge''
placard. Does that only need to be displayed near the
engine?

SV


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Hint: It has to be posted not just carried.

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You've been randomly boarded by the Coast Guard. You

are
just outside the
demarcation line.

You have a documented vessel under 12 meters and a

6-pak, near coastal
ticket. Upon a thorough
inspection by the CG, you're found to have all of the

proper safety
equipment in place and it is up-to-date. In addition,

you have the
documentation number posted, the documentation

paperwork
for the boat, the
proper charts, and a copy of the Navigation Rules.

The
boat is properly
marked on the hull, you have your original license,

and
have not exceeded
the limits of your license in any way. The marpol

sticker is aboard. Since
you usually sail on Inland waters, the head is

disabled
from pumping over
the side in the proper fashion.

In fact, one of the boarding party remarks that you

have
generally
exceeded the requirements. But, of course, they're

not
finished with their
inspection.

They interview your six passengers (you don't carry

crew) and find
everything is in order. For example, you've briefed

them
on the use of
emergency equipment and shown them the location of

fire-extinguishers and
similar.

This particular boarding party is exceedingly

thorough,
and unfortunately,
they find that you're missing one item of paperwork.

You're cited for
this.

Name this document.

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Capt. JG September 15th 06 09:36 PM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 
Nope... :-) Not so easy... the sticker is there.

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"DSK" wrote in message
...
Capt. JG wrote:
Hint: It has to be posted not just carried.


Easy. The pollution sticker.

BTW my first thought when you mentioned "paperwork" was that with the head
disabled for inshore, you wouldn't be carrying TP.

DSK




John Cairns September 15th 06 10:45 PM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You've been randomly boarded by the Coast Guard. You are just outside the
demarcation line.

You have a documented vessel under 12 meters and a 6-pak, near coastal
ticket. Upon a thorough
inspection by the CG, you're found to have all of the proper safety
equipment in place and it is up-to-date. In addition, you have the
documentation number posted, the documentation paperwork for the boat, the
proper charts, and a copy of the Navigation Rules. The boat is properly
marked on the hull, you have your original license, and have not exceeded
the limits of your license in any way. The marpol sticker is aboard. Since
you usually sail on Inland waters, the head is disabled from pumping over
the side in the proper fashion.

In fact, one of the boarding party remarks that you have generally
exceeded the requirements. But, of course, they're not finished with their
inspection.

They interview your six passengers (you don't carry crew) and find
everything is in order. For example, you've briefed them on the use of
emergency equipment and shown them the location of fire-extinguishers and
similar.

This particular boarding party is exceedingly thorough, and unfortunately,
they find that you're missing one item of paperwork. You're cited for
this.

Name this document.

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Passenger manifest? Know when the CG boarded us in the Keys last May, they
asked for names/dob's before they actually boarded.

John Cairns



Capt. JG September 15th 06 11:21 PM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 
No, but I do have a question... can the manfest be a log entry or does it
have to be a different document?

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"John Cairns" wrote in message
t...

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You've been randomly boarded by the Coast Guard. You are just outside the
demarcation line.

You have a documented vessel under 12 meters and a 6-pak, near coastal
ticket. Upon a thorough
inspection by the CG, you're found to have all of the proper safety
equipment in place and it is up-to-date. In addition, you have the
documentation number posted, the documentation paperwork for the boat,
the proper charts, and a copy of the Navigation Rules. The boat is
properly marked on the hull, you have your original license, and have not
exceeded the limits of your license in any way. The marpol sticker is
aboard. Since you usually sail on Inland waters, the head is disabled
from pumping over the side in the proper fashion.

In fact, one of the boarding party remarks that you have generally
exceeded the requirements. But, of course, they're not finished with
their inspection.

They interview your six passengers (you don't carry crew) and find
everything is in order. For example, you've briefed them on the use of
emergency equipment and shown them the location of fire-extinguishers and
similar.

This particular boarding party is exceedingly thorough, and
unfortunately, they find that you're missing one item of paperwork.
You're cited for this.

Name this document.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com


Passenger manifest? Know when the CG boarded us in the Keys last May, they
asked for names/dob's before they actually boarded.

John Cairns




Donal September 15th 06 11:58 PM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Ok... nobody seems to have gotten it... how about the Emergency Check-off
List... it has to be posted, not just aboard.



What the heck happened to the "freedom of the seas"?

You claim to be a democracy, and yet you won't let a man get into his boat
to do a bit of sailing without an "Emergency Check-off List"?

There was more freedom under Stalin(if you didn't go outside the 12 mile
limit).


Regards


Donal
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Bart Senior September 16th 06 12:02 AM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 
MROL permits are required to operate radiotelephone
stations aboard certain vessels that sail the Great Lakes.
They are also required to operate radiotelephone stations
aboard vessels of more than 300 gross tons and vessels
which carry more than six passengers for hire in the open
sea or any tidewater area of the United States. They are
also required to operate certain aviation radiotelephone
stations and certain coast radiotelephone stations.

I thought it was a requirement for vessels sailing offshore.
Perhaps the rules changed.

"Capt. JG" wrote

Don't have a ham aboard... also isn't that for larger vessels for
radiotelephone?

"Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message
...
MROL

"Capt. JG" wrote

This particular boarding party is exceedingly thorough, and
unfortunately, they find that you're missing one item of paperwork.
You're cited for this.

Name this document.








Scotty September 16th 06 12:35 AM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Ok... nobody seems to have gotten it... how about the

Emergency Check-off
List... it has to be posted, not just aboard.



What the heck happened to the "freedom of the seas"?

You claim to be a democracy, and yet you won't let a man

get into his boat
to do a bit of sailing without an "Emergency Check-off

List"?

There was more freedom under Stalin(if you didn't go

outside the 12 mile
limit).



Calm down Donut! Ganz is talking about a Capt. with paying
passengers, not just some schmuck out for a daysail.

SBV



Capt. JG September 16th 06 01:46 AM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 
For pleasure craft, this isn't an issue. This is for a commercial vessel.

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"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Ok... nobody seems to have gotten it... how about the Emergency Check-off
List... it has to be posted, not just aboard.



What the heck happened to the "freedom of the seas"?

You claim to be a democracy, and yet you won't let a man get into his boat
to do a bit of sailing without an "Emergency Check-off List"?

There was more freedom under Stalin(if you didn't go outside the 12 mile
limit).


Regards


Donal
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[email protected] September 16th 06 03:24 AM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 
Can you repost #1 through #341?


Joe September 16th 06 03:24 AM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 

Capt. JG wrote:
No, but I do have a question... can the manfest be a log entry or does it
have to be a different document?


Passenger and crew arrival manifests must include the following
information, where applicable: (1) full name; (2) date of birth; (3)
gender; (4) citizenship; (5) country of residence; (6) status onboard
the vessel; (7) travel document type; (8) passport number; (9) passport
country of issuance; (10) passport expiration date; (11) alien
registration number; (12) address in the United States; (13) passenger
name record locator; (14) foreign port or place where trip began; (15)
port or place of first arrival; (16) final foreign port or place of
destination; (17) vessel name; (18) vessel registry; (19) vessel IMO or
other official number; (20) voyage number; and (21) date of vessel
arrival.

Passenger and crew departure manifest requirements are largely the
same, but omit (1) country of residence; (2) address in the United
States; and (3) port or place of first arrival. Additionally, the
departure manifests must include the date of vessel departure versus
the date of vessel arrival, as listed in requirement (21) of the
previous paragraph.

"Verification" Requirement

For both vessel arrival and departure manifests, operators have an
obligation to compare the travel document (e.g., passport) presented by
the passenger with the manifest information it intends to submit to the
CBP to ensure that the information is accurate. Although the extent of
an operator's legal obligation to cross-check this information is
unclear, the CBP has stated that it only expects operators to make a
"reasonable effort" to ensure accuracy. For example, operators
should ensure that the travel document appears to be valid for travel
to the United States and that the passenger or crew member presenting
the document is the person to whom it was issued.

Time Requirement for Transmission of Information

For arrivals into the United States, passenger and crew manifests are
due at least 96 hours before entering the first United States port or
destination for voyages of 96 hours or more. For voyages between 24 and
96 hours, the manifests are due prior to departure of the vessel. In
the case of voyages less than 24 hours, the manifests are due at least
24 hours before entering the first U.S. port or destination. In the
event of an emergency that forces a vessel to make a stop in a U.S.
port, the CBP expects manifest transmission before the vessel enters
the U.S. port, but it will take into consideration the circumstances of
the emergency and the carrier's ability to transmit the information.
For departures from the United States, manifests must be submitted no
later than 15 minutes before the vessel departs from the United States.
For both arrival and departures, amendments to manifests may be made in
case crew members board the vessel after original submission. For
arrival crew manifests, these amendments are due at least 12 to 24
hours prior to arrival, depending on the time remaining in the voyage.
For departure crew manifests, amendments must be submitted no later
than 12 hours after departure from the U.S.

Method of Submission

CBP has teamed with the Coast Guard to provide the industry with a
"one stop shop" through which manifests may be transmitted. The
Electronic Notice of Arrival / Departure ("eNOA/D") system is
available through the Coast Guard's National Vessel Movement Center Web
site at https://www.nvmc.uscg.gov/enoa/Logon.aspx. One benefit of this
system is that a successful transmission through eNOA/D fully complies
with both the Coast Guard and CBP regulations to submit manifests.
However, if passenger and crew manifest information is not sent through
the eNOA/D system, it must manually be submit to both the Coast Guard
and CBP separately.

In addition, CBP still requires operators to submit paper copies of
forms I-418 (Passenger List / Crew List) and I-94 (Arrival / Departure
Record), but they are considering eliminating this requirement some
time in the future. Crew manifests - both arrival and departure - must
still be submitted in paper form as required by 8 C.F.R. § 251.5.

Conclusions and Recommendations

Issuance of this rule affects commercial passenger and cargo vessels
because they will be required to submit electronic passenger and crew
manifests in advance of arrival and prior to departure from U.S. ports.
Entities must take the new requirements into account in order to avoid
possible criminal and civil penalties that may result from
non-compliance.

Joe


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"John Cairns" wrote in message
t...

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You've been randomly boarded by the Coast Guard. You are just outside the
demarcation line.

You have a documented vessel under 12 meters and a 6-pak, near coastal
ticket. Upon a thorough
inspection by the CG, you're found to have all of the proper safety
equipment in place and it is up-to-date. In addition, you have the
documentation number posted, the documentation paperwork for the boat,
the proper charts, and a copy of the Navigation Rules. The boat is
properly marked on the hull, you have your original license, and have not
exceeded the limits of your license in any way. The marpol sticker is
aboard. Since you usually sail on Inland waters, the head is disabled
from pumping over the side in the proper fashion.

In fact, one of the boarding party remarks that you have generally
exceeded the requirements. But, of course, they're not finished with
their inspection.

They interview your six passengers (you don't carry crew) and find
everything is in order. For example, you've briefed them on the use of
emergency equipment and shown them the location of fire-extinguishers and
similar.

This particular boarding party is exceedingly thorough, and
unfortunately, they find that you're missing one item of paperwork.
You're cited for this.

Name this document.

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Passenger manifest? Know when the CG boarded us in the Keys last May, they
asked for names/dob's before they actually boarded.

John Cairns



Capt. JG September 16th 06 03:44 AM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 
I'm not sure how this would apply for leaving and returning to the same US
port, especially since this is local charter.

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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Capt. JG wrote:
No, but I do have a question... can the manfest be a log entry or does it
have to be a different document?


Passenger and crew arrival manifests must include the following
information, where applicable: (1) full name; (2) date of birth; (3)
gender; (4) citizenship; (5) country of residence; (6) status onboard
the vessel; (7) travel document type; (8) passport number; (9) passport
country of issuance; (10) passport expiration date; (11) alien
registration number; (12) address in the United States; (13) passenger
name record locator; (14) foreign port or place where trip began; (15)
port or place of first arrival; (16) final foreign port or place of
destination; (17) vessel name; (18) vessel registry; (19) vessel IMO or
other official number; (20) voyage number; and (21) date of vessel
arrival.

Passenger and crew departure manifest requirements are largely the
same, but omit (1) country of residence; (2) address in the United
States; and (3) port or place of first arrival. Additionally, the
departure manifests must include the date of vessel departure versus
the date of vessel arrival, as listed in requirement (21) of the
previous paragraph.

"Verification" Requirement

For both vessel arrival and departure manifests, operators have an
obligation to compare the travel document (e.g., passport) presented by
the passenger with the manifest information it intends to submit to the
CBP to ensure that the information is accurate. Although the extent of
an operator's legal obligation to cross-check this information is
unclear, the CBP has stated that it only expects operators to make a
"reasonable effort" to ensure accuracy. For example, operators
should ensure that the travel document appears to be valid for travel
to the United States and that the passenger or crew member presenting
the document is the person to whom it was issued.

Time Requirement for Transmission of Information

For arrivals into the United States, passenger and crew manifests are
due at least 96 hours before entering the first United States port or
destination for voyages of 96 hours or more. For voyages between 24 and
96 hours, the manifests are due prior to departure of the vessel. In
the case of voyages less than 24 hours, the manifests are due at least
24 hours before entering the first U.S. port or destination. In the
event of an emergency that forces a vessel to make a stop in a U.S.
port, the CBP expects manifest transmission before the vessel enters
the U.S. port, but it will take into consideration the circumstances of
the emergency and the carrier's ability to transmit the information.
For departures from the United States, manifests must be submitted no
later than 15 minutes before the vessel departs from the United States.
For both arrival and departures, amendments to manifests may be made in
case crew members board the vessel after original submission. For
arrival crew manifests, these amendments are due at least 12 to 24
hours prior to arrival, depending on the time remaining in the voyage.
For departure crew manifests, amendments must be submitted no later
than 12 hours after departure from the U.S.

Method of Submission

CBP has teamed with the Coast Guard to provide the industry with a
"one stop shop" through which manifests may be transmitted. The
Electronic Notice of Arrival / Departure ("eNOA/D") system is
available through the Coast Guard's National Vessel Movement Center Web
site at https://www.nvmc.uscg.gov/enoa/Logon.aspx. One benefit of this
system is that a successful transmission through eNOA/D fully complies
with both the Coast Guard and CBP regulations to submit manifests.
However, if passenger and crew manifest information is not sent through
the eNOA/D system, it must manually be submit to both the Coast Guard
and CBP separately.

In addition, CBP still requires operators to submit paper copies of
forms I-418 (Passenger List / Crew List) and I-94 (Arrival / Departure
Record), but they are considering eliminating this requirement some
time in the future. Crew manifests - both arrival and departure - must
still be submitted in paper form as required by 8 C.F.R. § 251.5.

Conclusions and Recommendations

Issuance of this rule affects commercial passenger and cargo vessels
because they will be required to submit electronic passenger and crew
manifests in advance of arrival and prior to departure from U.S. ports.
Entities must take the new requirements into account in order to avoid
possible criminal and civil penalties that may result from
non-compliance.

Joe


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www.sailnow.com

"John Cairns" wrote in message
t...

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You've been randomly boarded by the Coast Guard. You are just outside
the
demarcation line.

You have a documented vessel under 12 meters and a 6-pak, near coastal
ticket. Upon a thorough
inspection by the CG, you're found to have all of the proper safety
equipment in place and it is up-to-date. In addition, you have the
documentation number posted, the documentation paperwork for the boat,
the proper charts, and a copy of the Navigation Rules. The boat is
properly marked on the hull, you have your original license, and have
not
exceeded the limits of your license in any way. The marpol sticker is
aboard. Since you usually sail on Inland waters, the head is disabled
from pumping over the side in the proper fashion.

In fact, one of the boarding party remarks that you have generally
exceeded the requirements. But, of course, they're not finished with
their inspection.

They interview your six passengers (you don't carry crew) and find
everything is in order. For example, you've briefed them on the use of
emergency equipment and shown them the location of fire-extinguishers
and
similar.

This particular boarding party is exceedingly thorough, and
unfortunately, they find that you're missing one item of paperwork.
You're cited for this.

Name this document.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com


Passenger manifest? Know when the CG boarded us in the Keys last May,
they
asked for names/dob's before they actually boarded.

John Cairns




Capt. JG September 16th 06 03:45 AM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 
Yeah... however, I don't think you should hold your breath wating. :-)

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wrote in message
oups.com...
Can you repost #1 through #341?




Joe September 16th 06 03:56 AM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 

Capt. JG wrote:
I'm not sure how this would apply for leaving and returning to the same US
port, especially since this is local charter.


Well in the many yrs I ran crewboats carrying up to 85 passangers we
never carried a passanger manifest. Never. We knew the number of
passangers but that was about as detailed as we ever got.

Cargo manifest yes, anytime we carried cargo and quite detailed.

Joe



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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Capt. JG wrote:
No, but I do have a question... can the manfest be a log entry or does it
have to be a different document?


Passenger and crew arrival manifests must include the following
information, where applicable: (1) full name; (2) date of birth; (3)
gender; (4) citizenship; (5) country of residence; (6) status onboard
the vessel; (7) travel document type; (8) passport number; (9) passport
country of issuance; (10) passport expiration date; (11) alien
registration number; (12) address in the United States; (13) passenger
name record locator; (14) foreign port or place where trip began; (15)
port or place of first arrival; (16) final foreign port or place of
destination; (17) vessel name; (18) vessel registry; (19) vessel IMO or
other official number; (20) voyage number; and (21) date of vessel
arrival.

Passenger and crew departure manifest requirements are largely the
same, but omit (1) country of residence; (2) address in the United
States; and (3) port or place of first arrival. Additionally, the
departure manifests must include the date of vessel departure versus
the date of vessel arrival, as listed in requirement (21) of the
previous paragraph.

"Verification" Requirement

For both vessel arrival and departure manifests, operators have an
obligation to compare the travel document (e.g., passport) presented by
the passenger with the manifest information it intends to submit to the
CBP to ensure that the information is accurate. Although the extent of
an operator's legal obligation to cross-check this information is
unclear, the CBP has stated that it only expects operators to make a
"reasonable effort" to ensure accuracy. For example, operators
should ensure that the travel document appears to be valid for travel
to the United States and that the passenger or crew member presenting
the document is the person to whom it was issued.

Time Requirement for Transmission of Information

For arrivals into the United States, passenger and crew manifests are
due at least 96 hours before entering the first United States port or
destination for voyages of 96 hours or more. For voyages between 24 and
96 hours, the manifests are due prior to departure of the vessel. In
the case of voyages less than 24 hours, the manifests are due at least
24 hours before entering the first U.S. port or destination. In the
event of an emergency that forces a vessel to make a stop in a U.S.
port, the CBP expects manifest transmission before the vessel enters
the U.S. port, but it will take into consideration the circumstances of
the emergency and the carrier's ability to transmit the information.
For departures from the United States, manifests must be submitted no
later than 15 minutes before the vessel departs from the United States.
For both arrival and departures, amendments to manifests may be made in
case crew members board the vessel after original submission. For
arrival crew manifests, these amendments are due at least 12 to 24
hours prior to arrival, depending on the time remaining in the voyage.
For departure crew manifests, amendments must be submitted no later
than 12 hours after departure from the U.S.

Method of Submission

CBP has teamed with the Coast Guard to provide the industry with a
"one stop shop" through which manifests may be transmitted. The
Electronic Notice of Arrival / Departure ("eNOA/D") system is
available through the Coast Guard's National Vessel Movement Center Web
site at https://www.nvmc.uscg.gov/enoa/Logon.aspx. One benefit of this
system is that a successful transmission through eNOA/D fully complies
with both the Coast Guard and CBP regulations to submit manifests.
However, if passenger and crew manifest information is not sent through
the eNOA/D system, it must manually be submit to both the Coast Guard
and CBP separately.

In addition, CBP still requires operators to submit paper copies of
forms I-418 (Passenger List / Crew List) and I-94 (Arrival / Departure
Record), but they are considering eliminating this requirement some
time in the future. Crew manifests - both arrival and departure - must
still be submitted in paper form as required by 8 C.F.R. § 251.5.

Conclusions and Recommendations

Issuance of this rule affects commercial passenger and cargo vessels
because they will be required to submit electronic passenger and crew
manifests in advance of arrival and prior to departure from U.S. ports.
Entities must take the new requirements into account in order to avoid
possible criminal and civil penalties that may result from
non-compliance.

Joe


--
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www.sailnow.com

"John Cairns" wrote in message
t...

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You've been randomly boarded by the Coast Guard. You are just outside
the
demarcation line.

You have a documented vessel under 12 meters and a 6-pak, near coastal
ticket. Upon a thorough
inspection by the CG, you're found to have all of the proper safety
equipment in place and it is up-to-date. In addition, you have the
documentation number posted, the documentation paperwork for the boat,
the proper charts, and a copy of the Navigation Rules. The boat is
properly marked on the hull, you have your original license, and have
not
exceeded the limits of your license in any way. The marpol sticker is
aboard. Since you usually sail on Inland waters, the head is disabled
from pumping over the side in the proper fashion.

In fact, one of the boarding party remarks that you have generally
exceeded the requirements. But, of course, they're not finished with
their inspection.

They interview your six passengers (you don't carry crew) and find
everything is in order. For example, you've briefed them on the use of
emergency equipment and shown them the location of fire-extinguishers
and
similar.

This particular boarding party is exceedingly thorough, and
unfortunately, they find that you're missing one item of paperwork.
You're cited for this.

Name this document.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Passenger manifest? Know when the CG boarded us in the Keys last May,
they
asked for names/dob's before they actually boarded.

John Cairns



Capt. JG September 16th 06 05:59 AM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 
I can't imagine the ferries, for example, would even attempt a manefest.
Perhaps the tickets they issue might qualify or maybe the ticket sales
receipts.

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"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...

Capt. JG wrote:
I'm not sure how this would apply for leaving and returning to the same US
port, especially since this is local charter.


Well in the many yrs I ran crewboats carrying up to 85 passangers we
never carried a passanger manifest. Never. We knew the number of
passangers but that was about as detailed as we ever got.

Cargo manifest yes, anytime we carried cargo and quite detailed.

Joe



--
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www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Capt. JG wrote:
No, but I do have a question... can the manfest be a log entry or does
it
have to be a different document?


Passenger and crew arrival manifests must include the following
information, where applicable: (1) full name; (2) date of birth; (3)
gender; (4) citizenship; (5) country of residence; (6) status onboard
the vessel; (7) travel document type; (8) passport number; (9) passport
country of issuance; (10) passport expiration date; (11) alien
registration number; (12) address in the United States; (13) passenger
name record locator; (14) foreign port or place where trip began; (15)
port or place of first arrival; (16) final foreign port or place of
destination; (17) vessel name; (18) vessel registry; (19) vessel IMO or
other official number; (20) voyage number; and (21) date of vessel
arrival.

Passenger and crew departure manifest requirements are largely the
same, but omit (1) country of residence; (2) address in the United
States; and (3) port or place of first arrival. Additionally, the
departure manifests must include the date of vessel departure versus
the date of vessel arrival, as listed in requirement (21) of the
previous paragraph.

"Verification" Requirement

For both vessel arrival and departure manifests, operators have an
obligation to compare the travel document (e.g., passport) presented by
the passenger with the manifest information it intends to submit to the
CBP to ensure that the information is accurate. Although the extent of
an operator's legal obligation to cross-check this information is
unclear, the CBP has stated that it only expects operators to make a
"reasonable effort" to ensure accuracy. For example, operators
should ensure that the travel document appears to be valid for travel
to the United States and that the passenger or crew member presenting
the document is the person to whom it was issued.

Time Requirement for Transmission of Information

For arrivals into the United States, passenger and crew manifests are
due at least 96 hours before entering the first United States port or
destination for voyages of 96 hours or more. For voyages between 24 and
96 hours, the manifests are due prior to departure of the vessel. In
the case of voyages less than 24 hours, the manifests are due at least
24 hours before entering the first U.S. port or destination. In the
event of an emergency that forces a vessel to make a stop in a U.S.
port, the CBP expects manifest transmission before the vessel enters
the U.S. port, but it will take into consideration the circumstances of
the emergency and the carrier's ability to transmit the information.
For departures from the United States, manifests must be submitted no
later than 15 minutes before the vessel departs from the United States.
For both arrival and departures, amendments to manifests may be made in
case crew members board the vessel after original submission. For
arrival crew manifests, these amendments are due at least 12 to 24
hours prior to arrival, depending on the time remaining in the voyage.
For departure crew manifests, amendments must be submitted no later
than 12 hours after departure from the U.S.

Method of Submission

CBP has teamed with the Coast Guard to provide the industry with a
"one stop shop" through which manifests may be transmitted. The
Electronic Notice of Arrival / Departure ("eNOA/D") system is
available through the Coast Guard's National Vessel Movement Center Web
site at https://www.nvmc.uscg.gov/enoa/Logon.aspx. One benefit of this
system is that a successful transmission through eNOA/D fully complies
with both the Coast Guard and CBP regulations to submit manifests.
However, if passenger and crew manifest information is not sent through
the eNOA/D system, it must manually be submit to both the Coast Guard
and CBP separately.

In addition, CBP still requires operators to submit paper copies of
forms I-418 (Passenger List / Crew List) and I-94 (Arrival / Departure
Record), but they are considering eliminating this requirement some
time in the future. Crew manifests - both arrival and departure - must
still be submitted in paper form as required by 8 C.F.R. § 251.5.

Conclusions and Recommendations

Issuance of this rule affects commercial passenger and cargo vessels
because they will be required to submit electronic passenger and crew
manifests in advance of arrival and prior to departure from U.S. ports.
Entities must take the new requirements into account in order to avoid
possible criminal and civil penalties that may result from
non-compliance.

Joe


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www.sailnow.com

"John Cairns" wrote in message
t...

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You've been randomly boarded by the Coast Guard. You are just outside
the
demarcation line.

You have a documented vessel under 12 meters and a 6-pak, near
coastal
ticket. Upon a thorough
inspection by the CG, you're found to have all of the proper safety
equipment in place and it is up-to-date. In addition, you have the
documentation number posted, the documentation paperwork for the
boat,
the proper charts, and a copy of the Navigation Rules. The boat is
properly marked on the hull, you have your original license, and have
not
exceeded the limits of your license in any way. The marpol sticker is
aboard. Since you usually sail on Inland waters, the head is disabled
from pumping over the side in the proper fashion.

In fact, one of the boarding party remarks that you have generally
exceeded the requirements. But, of course, they're not finished with
their inspection.

They interview your six passengers (you don't carry crew) and find
everything is in order. For example, you've briefed them on the use
of
emergency equipment and shown them the location of fire-extinguishers
and
similar.

This particular boarding party is exceedingly thorough, and
unfortunately, they find that you're missing one item of paperwork.
You're cited for this.

Name this document.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Passenger manifest? Know when the CG boarded us in the Keys last May,
they
asked for names/dob's before they actually boarded.

John Cairns




Capt. JG September 16th 06 06:18 AM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 
For a bonus point, what are the three major areas that must be on the
check-off list?

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"j" ganz @@
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You've been randomly boarded by the Coast Guard. You are just outside the
demarcation line.

You have a documented vessel under 12 meters and a 6-pak, near coastal
ticket. Upon a thorough
inspection by the CG, you're found to have all of the proper safety
equipment in place and it is up-to-date. In addition, you have the
documentation number posted, the documentation paperwork for the boat, the
proper charts, and a copy of the Navigation Rules. The boat is properly
marked on the hull, you have your original license, and have not exceeded
the limits of your license in any way. The marpol sticker is aboard. Since
you usually sail on Inland waters, the head is disabled from pumping over
the side in the proper fashion.

In fact, one of the boarding party remarks that you have generally
exceeded the requirements. But, of course, they're not finished with their
inspection.

They interview your six passengers (you don't carry crew) and find
everything is in order. For example, you've briefed them on the use of
emergency equipment and shown them the location of fire-extinguishers and
similar.

This particular boarding party is exceedingly thorough, and unfortunately,
they find that you're missing one item of paperwork. You're cited for
this.

Name this document.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com







Jeff September 16th 06 12:37 PM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 
Capt. JG wrote:
I can't imagine the ferries, for example, would even attempt a manefest.
Perhaps the tickets they issue might qualify or maybe the ticket sales
receipts.

No - often the tickets are good for any trip in a year. Usually they
just count how many go on board, but I doubt they get that exact.

Donal September 16th 06 09:47 PM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 

"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..

Calm down Donut! Ganz is talking about a Capt. with paying
passengers, not just some schmuck out for a daysail.


Ahhh... Perhaps I am becoming a little paranoid.

Over here, we now need to have a written passage plan before we sail
offshore.

This Passage Plan *must* include such things as your Course to Steer, a
weather forecast, and a Risk Assessment that takes into account the skills
of your crew!!!


Nobody on deck may be under the influence of alcohol. The limits that apply
to car drivers who travel in close proximity at 70mph, also apply to sailors
who travel at 5kts in the wide open spaces of the seas.



Regards


Donal
--




Scotty September 17th 06 03:13 AM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 

"Donal" wrote in
Calm down Donut! Ganz is talking about a Capt. with

paying
passengers, not just some schmuck out for a daysail.


Ahhh... Perhaps I am becoming a little paranoid.

Over here, we now need to have a written passage plan

before we sail
offshore.

This Passage Plan *must* include such things as your

Course to Steer, a
weather forecast, and a Risk Assessment that takes into

account the skills
of your crew!!!


Nobody on deck may be under the influence of alcohol. The

limits that apply
to car drivers who travel in close proximity at 70mph,

also apply to sailors
who travel at 5kts in the wide open spaces of the seas.



Did you move to Russia? What the heck happened to the
"freedom of the seas"?

You claim to be a democracy, and yet you won't let a man get
into his boat
to do a bit of sailing without a ''Passage Plan'' with Risk
ASSessment'' ?

There was more freedom under Hitler!

Scotty



Donal September 17th 06 11:18 PM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 

"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..
You claim to be a democracy, and yet you won't let a man get
into his boat
to do a bit of sailing without a ''Passage Plan'' with Risk
ASSessment'' ?

There was more freedom under Hitler!


Yup!

That's the way that the world is going.

I'd prefer to live under Franco than under Blair.


Personal Freedom used to be something that politicians felt able to defend.


Nowadays, they seem to pander to the whims of the unemployed.



Regards


Donal
--




Scotty September 18th 06 01:27 AM

ASA question #342 (part 1)
 

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..
You claim to be a democracy, and yet you won't let a man

get
into his boat
to do a bit of sailing without a ''Passage Plan'' with

Risk
ASSessment'' ?

There was more freedom under Hitler!


Yup!

That's the way that the world is going.

I'd prefer to live under Franco than under Blair.


Personal Freedom used to be something that politicians

felt able to defend.


Nowadays, they seem to pander to the whims of the

unemployed.


It seems that ''Homeland Security'' is trying to turn our
Coast Guard into their SS Gestapo.

Cheers,
Scotty




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