My seamanship question #5
 

A tall ship's sailing down a narrow channel. It has fair winds and most of its sails up.
It's in international waters. It has a black cylinder displayed which means it's C.B.D.
A Coast Guard inflatable pulls up along side. It hails the captain of the tall ship and tells
him he's breaking the rules because sailboats can't show the black cylinder. The captain
smirks and says he's using the motor too. The Coast Guard writes him a ticket because he's
in violation of another rule. What other rule did he violate.


Cheers,
Ellen

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"Scotty" wrote
| Are there narrow channels in international waters?


Yes!

Cheers,
Ellen

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Are there narrow channels in international waters?

Scotty


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A tall ship's sailing down a narrow channel. It has
fair winds and most of its sails up.
It's in international waters. It has a black cylinder
displayed which means it's C.B.D.
A Coast Guard inflatable pulls up along side. It hails the
captain of the tall ship and tells
him he's breaking the rules because sailboats can't show
the black cylinder. The captain
smirks and says he's using the motor too. The Coast Guard
writes him a ticket because he's
in violation of another rule. What other rule did he
violate.


Cheers,
Ellen

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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in
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A tall ship's sailing down a narrow channel. It has
fair winds and most of its sails up.
It's in international waters. It has a black cylinder
displayed which means it's C.B.D.
A Coast Guard inflatable pulls up along side. It hails the
captain of the tall ship and tells
him he's breaking the rules because sailboats can't show
the black cylinder. The captain
smirks and says he's using the motor too. The Coast Guard
writes him a ticket because he's
in violation of another rule. What other rule did he
violate.


Was he smoking a joint at the time?

SV

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How narrow?


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"Scotty" wrote
| Are there narrow channels in international waters?


Yes!

Cheers,
Ellen

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"Scotty" wrote
| How narrow?


Wide enough for a tall ship.

Cheers,
Ellen

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"Scotty" wrote

| Was he smoking a joint at the time?


No. He was breaking another colreg rule. That's what he got the ticket for.
(Hint: He "screwed the pooch" telling the Coast Guard he was using his motor.)

Cheers,
Ellen

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"Scotty" wrote
| How narrow?


Wide enough for a tall ship.


how tall?

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"Scotty" wrote

| Did he have his inverted cone displayed?


Bingo! He didn't and that's why he got a ticket.

Cheers,
Ellen

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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in
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A tall ship's sailing down a narrow channel. It has
fair winds and most of its sails up.
It's in international waters. It has a black cylinder
displayed which means it's C.B.D.
A Coast Guard inflatable pulls up along side. It hails the
captain of the tall ship and tells
him he's breaking the rules because sailboats can't show
the black cylinder. The captain
smirks and says he's using the motor too. The Coast Guard
writes him a ticket because he's
in violation of another rule. What other rule did he
violate.


Did he have his inverted cone displayed?

Scotty

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote
| First tell us where there is a narrow channel in international waters
| where you could be written up for anything by "The Coast Guard"


It's a hypothetical question but how's about Egmont Channel?

Cheers,
Ellen

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Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:32:42 -0400, "Ellen MacArthur"
wrote:


A tall ship's sailing down a narrow channel. It has fair winds and most of its sails up.
It's in international waters. It has a black cylinder displayed which means it's C.B.D.
A Coast Guard inflatable pulls up along side. It hails the captain of the tall ship and tells
him he's breaking the rules because sailboats can't show the black cylinder. The captain
smirks and says he's using the motor too. The Coast Guard writes him a ticket because he's
in violation of another rule. What other rule did he violate.


Cheers,
Ellen

First tell us where there is a narrow channel in international waters
where you could be written up for anything by "The Coast Guard"

CWM
Wow, you don't get around much, do you? Try reading the appendix at
the end of the US Nav Rule Book, or 33CFR80. While the protected
waters, like Casco Bay, Buzzards Bay, etc. are Inland, huge sections
of the coast and outlaying islands are outside the ColRegs line.

For example, all of Maine down to Cape Small is Intl, and that
includes the Kennebec all the way up to Bath. Harbors such as Block
Island ans Edgartown are Intl, and so on. Admittedly, most of the
navigable channels south from there are Inland, but there are still
plenty of Intl channels, such as all of Alaska.

Now whether a CG boat would actually try to give a ticket to a tall
ship, that's a different question.

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If his engine is engaged, he'd need the inverted cone. Did the CG give way
or run into him?

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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
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A tall ship's sailing down a narrow channel. It has fair winds and most
of its sails up.
It's in international waters. It has a black cylinder displayed which
means it's C.B.D.
A Coast Guard inflatable pulls up along side. It hails the captain of the
tall ship and tells
him he's breaking the rules because sailboats can't show the black
cylinder. The captain
smirks and says he's using the motor too. The Coast Guard writes him a
ticket because he's
in violation of another rule. What other rule did he violate.


Cheers,
Ellen

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Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:28:42 -0400, Jeff wrote:

Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:32:42 -0400, "Ellen MacArthur"
wrote:


A tall ship's sailing down a narrow channel. It has fair winds and most of its sails up.
It's in international waters. It has a black cylinder displayed which means it's C.B.D.
A Coast Guard inflatable pulls up along side. It hails the captain of the tall ship and tells
him he's breaking the rules because sailboats can't show the black cylinder. The captain
smirks and says he's using the motor too. The Coast Guard writes him a ticket because he's
in violation of another rule. What other rule did he violate.


Cheers,
Ellen
First tell us where there is a narrow channel in international waters
where you could be written up for anything by "The Coast Guard"

CWM
Wow, you don't get around much, do you? Try reading the appendix at
the end of the US Nav Rule Book, or 33CFR80. While the protected
waters, like Casco Bay, Buzzards Bay, etc. are Inland, huge sections
of the coast and outlaying islands are outside the ColRegs line.

For example, all of Maine down to Cape Small is Intl, and that
includes the Kennebec all the way up to Bath. Harbors such as Block
Island ans Edgartown are Intl, and so on. Admittedly, most of the
navigable channels south from there are Inland, but there are still
plenty of Intl channels, such as all of Alaska.

Now whether a CG boat would actually try to give a ticket to a tall
ship, that's a different question.

My question was directed at Ellen. Whether you or I know where there
are narrow channels in International waters was not the purpose of the
question I asked.

CWM
Now that's mean!

But it would appear that Ellen knew the answer to your question.

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"Jeff" wrote
| Now that's mean!


Didn't I say y'all were mean? :-)

Cheers,
Ellen

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For example, all of Maine down to Cape Small is Intl, and that includes
the Kennebec all the way up to Bath. Harbors such as Block Island ans
Edgartown are Intl, and so on. Admittedly, most of the navigable
channels south from there are Inland, but there are still plenty of Intl
channels, such as all of Alaska.

Now whether a CG boat would actually try to give a ticket to a tall
ship, that's a different question.

So does that mean the US can't keep ships under dither flags out of
those areas because they are International?

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katy wrote:

For example, all of Maine down to Cape Small is Intl, and that
includes the Kennebec all the way up to Bath. Harbors such as Block
Island ans Edgartown are Intl, and so on. Admittedly, most of the
navigable channels south from there are Inland, but there are still
plenty of Intl channels, such as all of Alaska.

Now whether a CG boat would actually try to give a ticket to a tall
ship, that's a different question.

So does that mean the US can't keep ships under dither flags out of
those areas because they are International?
That line, called the "Colregs Line," merely shows the area where the
International Rules are replaced by the Inland Rules. It has nothing
to do with territorial waters and economic zones and all that stuff.

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Jeff wrote:
katy wrote:

For example, all of Maine down to Cape Small is Intl, and that
includes the Kennebec all the way up to Bath. Harbors such as Block
Island ans Edgartown are Intl, and so on. Admittedly, most of the
navigable channels south from there are Inland, but there are still
plenty of Intl channels, such as all of Alaska.

Now whether a CG boat would actually try to give a ticket to a tall
ship, that's a different question.

So does that mean the US can't keep ships under dither flags out of
those areas because they are International?
That line, called the "Colregs Line," merely shows the area where the
International Rules are replaced by the Inland Rules. It has nothing to
do with territorial waters and economic zones and all that stuff.

thanks....

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Please let us know how many times you're going to repeat that statement...

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"Jeff" wrote
| Now that's mean!


Didn't I say y'all were mean? :-)

Cheers,
Ellen

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The demarcation line?

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"Jeff" wrote in message
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katy wrote:

For example, all of Maine down to Cape Small is Intl, and that includes
the Kennebec all the way up to Bath. Harbors such as Block Island ans
Edgartown are Intl, and so on. Admittedly, most of the navigable
channels south from there are Inland, but there are still plenty of Intl
channels, such as all of Alaska.

Now whether a CG boat would actually try to give a ticket to a tall
ship, that's a different question.

So does that mean the US can't keep ships under dither flags out of those
areas because they are International?
That line, called the "Colregs Line," merely shows the area where the
International Rules are replaced by the Inland Rules. It has nothing to
do with territorial waters and economic zones and all that stuff.

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"Capt. JG" wrote
| Please let us know how many times you're going to repeat that statement...



When y'all stop being mean I'll stop saying it.

Cheers,
Ellen

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Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Capt. JG" wrote
| Please let us know how many times you're going to repeat that statement...



When y'all stop being mean I'll stop saying it.

Most of us aren't mean. Its just Tough Love. Of course, there are a
few exceptions.

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Capt. JG wrote:
The demarcation line?

Yes - its often listed on charts as the "COLREGS DEMARCATION LINE"

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Yeah. I'm the mean one.

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"Jeff" wrote in message
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Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Capt. JG" wrote | Please let us know how many
times you're going to repeat that statement...



When y'all stop being mean I'll stop saying it.

Most of us aren't mean. Its just Tough Love. Of course, there are a few
exceptions.

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Whew... thought there was another one. :-)

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"Jeff" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
The demarcation line?

Yes - its often listed on charts as the "COLREGS DEMARCATION LINE"

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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
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A tall ship's sailing down a narrow channel. It has fair winds and most
of its sails up.
It's in international waters. It has a black cylinder displayed which
means it's C.B.D.
A Coast Guard inflatable pulls up along side. It hails the captain of the
tall ship and tells
him he's breaking the rules because sailboats can't show the black
cylinder. The captain
smirks and says he's using the motor too. The Coast Guard writes him a
ticket because he's
in violation of another rule. What other rule did he violate.

Mooning the coasties?

Max

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"Jeff" wrote in message
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huge sections
of the coast and outlaying islands are outside the ColRegs line.


Sooooo ... your ColRegs are nothing to do with the "**International**
Regulations for the prevention of Collisions at Sea"????

Regards


Donal
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"Scotty" wrote in message
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Did he have his inverted cone displayed?


People over here never fly an inverted cone. A few miles away, in France,
everybody flies it when they are under engine.

Do you use it in the States?



Regards


Donal
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My seamanship question #5
 

Donal wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message
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huge sections
of the coast and outlaying islands are outside the ColRegs line.


Sooooo ... your ColRegs are nothing to do with the "**International**
Regulations for the prevention of Collisions at Sea"????

Wrong, our ColRegs *are* the "Convention on the International
Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea," I assume identical to
yours. The US also exercised its prerogative to create a slightly
modified version for use in Inland Waters.

The standard government book lists the two on alternating pages so you
can see the differences. There are a number of changes, mostly
dealing with the special rules on the Western Rivers. Also, the
category of "Constrained by Draft" does not exist in the inland rules.
And, the sound signals are a bit different. The inverted cone is
not needed for motorsailers under 12 meters (which surprises Americans
abroad who have never heard of the rule), but the 7 meter/7 knots
sidelight exclusion does not exist in the Inland rules (which
surprises visitors to the US).

The Master's exam, required for anyone carrying passengers for hire,
includes a test on the rules, closed book, 90% required for passing.
Many of the question specify Inland or International, so we must learn
both to have a professional license. The vast majority of
recreational boaters have never read the ColRegs.

The ColRegs Demarcation line is drawn on many charts, and shows where
the Inland Rules take over from the International rules. Some sailing
areas of the country are largely Inland, like Long Island Sound, and
most of the Waterway south, other parts are largely ColRegs, like
Downeast Maine or Alaska. In other parts, like where I live, you
cross over the line whenever you take a short hop up or down the coast.

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Donal wrote:
People over here never fly an inverted cone. A few miles away, in France,
everybody flies it when they are under engine.

Do you use it in the States?


Why yes we do. In fact there are a number of people who feel
that it is a symbol of much more than simply motor-sailing,
they are the inverted cone heads. I'm surprised you haven't
heard of them, for a while they had a TV show.

DSK

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"Donal" wrote in message
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"Scotty" wrote in message
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Did he have his inverted cone displayed?


People over here never fly an inverted cone. A few miles
away, in France,
everybody flies it when they are under engine.

Do you use it in the States?


No

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"Krusty Morgan" stupidly wrote ..

Did he have his inverted cone displayed?


People over here never fly an inverted cone. A few miles
away, in France,
everybody flies it when they are under engine.


To me, an inverted cone simply means my dunce hat fell off

CWM

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DSK wrote:
Donal wrote:

People over here never fly an inverted cone. A few miles away, in
France,
everybody flies it when they are under engine.

Do you use it in the States?

Why yes we do. In fact there are a number of people who feel that it is
a symbol of much more than simply motor-sailing, they are the inverted
cone heads. I'm surprised you haven't heard of them, for a while they
had a TV show.

Yes, but as you no doubt recall, they were from France.

//Walt

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Why yes we do. In fact there are a number of people who feel that it
is a symbol of much more than simply motor-sailing, they are the
inverted cone heads. I'm surprised you haven't heard of them, for a
while they had a TV show.


Walt wrote:
Yes, but as you no doubt recall, they were from France.



Oh yeah, I forgot about that part. Sorry.

That explains everything!

DSK

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Check out the Lubec Channel in northern Maine just south of Campobello
island or Western Passage between Deere Island, New Brunswick and Moose
Island, Maine


"Scotty" wrote in message
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How narrow?


"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in
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"Scotty" wrote
| Are there narrow channels in international waters?


Yes!

Cheers,
Ellen

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:
Donal wrote:

People over here never fly an inverted cone. A few miles away, in
France,
everybody flies it when they are under engine.

I have sailed to France many times and have ever ever seen a motoring yacht
flying an inverted cone

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DSK wrote:

Walt wrote:

Why yes we do. In fact there are a number of people who feel that it
is a symbol of much more than simply motor-sailing, they are the
inverted cone heads. I'm surprised you haven't heard of them, for a
while they had a TV show.

Yes, but as you no doubt recall, they were from France.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that part. Sorry.

That's quite alright. Now let's all go back to consuming mass quantities.

//Walt

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"Jeff" wrote in message
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Donal wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message
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huge sections
of the coast and outlaying islands are outside the ColRegs line.


Sooooo ... your ColRegs are nothing to do with the "**International**
Regulations for the prevention of Collisions at Sea"????

Wrong, our ColRegs *are* the "Convention on the International
Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea," I assume identical to
yours. The US also exercised its prerogative to create a slightly
modified version for use in Inland Waters.

Ahh... Now I think that I understand.

Your use of the word "outside" led me to think of "further offshore", when
you were referring to the waters "inshore" of the CollRegs line.

My mistake.

Regards

Donal
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"Edgar" wrote in message
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:
Donal wrote:

People over here never fly an inverted cone. A few miles away, in
France,
everybody flies it when they are under engine.

I have sailed to France many times and have ever ever seen a motoring
yacht
flying an inverted cone

Did you look?

I've seen a couple, however it is possible that I noticed them and assumed
that they were commonplace.

I don't think that I have ever seen them in the Solent.


Regards


Donal
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Donal wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message
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Donal wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message
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huge sections
of the coast and outlaying islands are outside the ColRegs line.

Sooooo ... your ColRegs are nothing to do with the "**International**
Regulations for the prevention of Collisions at Sea"????
Wrong, our ColRegs *are* the "Convention on the International
Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea," I assume identical to
yours. The US also exercised its prerogative to create a slightly
modified version for use in Inland Waters.

Ahh... Now I think that I understand.

Your use of the word "outside" led me to think of "further offshore", when
you were referring to the waters "inshore" of the CollRegs line.

My mistake.

Actually, I think that time I was saying the most of the coast of
Maine is "outside the line" in the sense that it is covered by the
International Rules, not the Inland Rules.